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[La_Duchessa]

I would be... well not disappointed... but you know... kinda peeved...
EDIT:
But it's not the end of the world if he's not... I'm sure Bioware would come up with another awesome char. if he isn't

Modifié par La_Duchessa, 27 décembre 2010 - 09:15 .

[Heretical]

ro0st3r wrote...

Would you guys be disappointed if Fenris is not a LI?

I'm sorry if this has already been discussed. I'm pretty new here and I tried going through the prev pages... but there are so many! I might have missed it.

I wouldn't care (male), but I'd be pissed just because so many people seem to want it. There could be riots.

[Tamyn]

ro0st3r wrote...

Would you guys be disappointed if Fenris is not a LI? 

Yes. Sort of befuddled as well. I don't think they would have made him so handsome if he weren't intended to be romanced. Unrealistic, but this is fantasy after all.

[KBomb]

ro0st3r wrote...

Would you guys be disappointed if Fenris is not a LI?

Maybe a tad, but I think it would depend on who they gave us instead.

[Maria Caliban]

ro0st3r wrote...

Would you guys be disappointed if Fenris is not a LI?

Me? Not at all.

I'm sorry if this has already been discussed. I'm pretty new here and I tried going through the prev pages... but there are so many! I might have missed it.

That's fine.

[tankgirly]

Yeah, like Anders and Nate in Awakening. Yummy, but untouchable.

[ankuu]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

SirOccam wrote...
I use mods, but I'm with you; I never change anyone's default appearance. Well no one important anyway. There was a nice mod for Awakening that was sort of a beautification patch...a lot of extras and minor characters were seriously fugly in that expansion. Distractingly so.

Ah! Same here! 

I once got that Sacred Ashes CG face change mod... but I uninstalled it about 15 mins into the game. I can't see Morrigan, Leliana or Sten with anything but their original vanilla faces. I like them too much.

I didn't have any mods that changed the default face or hair either...I wanted the characters to stay true to their original form. The only mod that i got was one with hairs for my char and i believe the teeth one (cause the yellow ones were making me puke).  I saw mods that made Alistair or Zevran brunette


Sorry SirOccam :DI think you are one of the few fenboys around. The others kinda hate him...


I won't be really dissapointed to see that he is not a LI (but he is for sure). I mean i like Anders too and he wasn't one. I was really dissapointed that Nate wasn't a LI, think of the possibilities with the Cousland! Totally wasted ><

Modifié par ankuu, 27 décembre 2010 - 10:14 .

[QueenOfFerelden]

I won`t be dissapointed if fen is not a LI, but it would make him even more fascinating to me. >.<

[ankuu]

ximena07 ^^









Fenris is getting a lot of love.

[tankgirly]

ankuu wrote...

ximena07 ^^

-snip the awesomeness-


Fenris is getting a lot of love.

Xim's fanfic is up there along with roo's. Excellent work!

[RGC_Ines]

ro0st3r wrote...

Would you guys be disappointed if Fenris is not a LI?

I'm sorry if this has already been discussed. I'm pretty new here and I tried going through the prev pages... but there are so many! I might have missed it.

I will not be dissappointed if Fenris will be not an LI, if only he will be as interesting character as I imagine. In fact, if there will be no option ( via mod or via toolset) to make Hawke an elf I will not romance with any elven male LI ( if there is any) as a human. Plus for me romances in game are just nice addon not something " must be" in games.
Also I like to use my own imagination ( not only scripted behaviour) so ie one of my female had a nice relationship with Sten, in KoToR my Revan was with Canderous, and in ME serie one of my Shep is close to Joker

Modifié par RGC_Ines, 27 décembre 2010 - 11:20 .

[ankuu]

scyphozoa wrote...

tankgirly wrote...

Yeah, like Anders and Nate in Awakening. Yummy, but untouchable.

I really like the idea of the conflict of interests. Nate and Anders didn't have any romance option. I would like to see Fenris be a LI who shares an emotional and romantic bond with Hawke but cannot be physically intimate without suffering extreme pain. 

Would anyone who romances him, put him through that anguish for the sexytime?

Tali cannot get out of her suit  but she managed to do it with Shepard...she still got ill but said that it was worth it. I am thinking the same would go with Fenris. Maybe he will endure the pain because he wants to do that no matter what...

Modifié par ankuu, 27 décembre 2010 - 11:20 .

[thebunia]

ro0st3r wrote...
Would you guys be disappointed if Fenris is not a LI?

If he is not a LI, well no tragic there, but if he is not so awesome as he looks and he is described (I mean his char.) that will be disappointment.

F.e. I love Sten even if he isn't LI. Enough said. 

Modifié par thebunia, 27 décembre 2010 - 11:41 .

[ro0st3r]

scyphozoa wrote...

tankgirly wrote...

Yeah, like Anders and Nate in Awakening. Yummy, but untouchable.

I really like the idea of the conflict of interests. Nate and Anders didn't have any romance option. I would like to see Fenris be a LI who shares an emotional and romantic bond with Hawke but cannot be physically intimate without suffering extreme pain. 

Would anyone who romances him, put him through that anguish for the sexytime?

Would I put him through that anguish? Hmm... Tevinter slave... haha! I kid. I kid. Probably not. Not being able to touch would give the romance an interesting dynamic. Oh the angst! It would be akin to Gambit and Rogue, and I like those two.

[Collider]

Fenris will be an LI, probably. All of the signs point to it.

[buggirl]

ro0st3r wrote...

Would you guys be disappointed if Fenris is not a LI?

I will personally lead an Exalted March on the Bioware Offices in Edmonton...  /kiddidng

As much as I am intrigued by what little it has been revealed about Fenris so far, I do not think he will be an LI - so let's just say I will be pleasantly surprised if he is.

[NugWrangler]

It would be a let down if he wasn't, but not the end of the world. I read in one of those recent articles that DA2 will have the same number of romances as DAO. So assuming Isabella is the same sex option, there are either two new LI pending for LadyHawke or possibly Varric and one more. There's still hope.

[HolyJellyfish]

ro0st3r wrote...

Would you guys be disappointed if Fenris is not a LI?

Yes. The idea of romancing a character who can't be touched (Or at least his markings) without suffering pain is intriguing to me.

Also, considering Fenris is stoic, if he is an LI, it'll be a challenge since choosing 'romance' options with him may not get any feedback, or it'll be difficult to know exactly what to say to him.

On the flipside, I could also do without a tragic/angsty/Abstinence-prefered relationship in the game. So we'll see how it plays out.

[Lucy Glitter]

Tamyn wrote...

Yes. Sort of befuddled as well. I don't think they would have made him so handsome if he weren't intended to be romanced. Unrealistic, but this is fantasy after all.

Indeed. 

Also, r00st3r? I do hope that's the Rooster from Deviant Art that I do so adore...

edit: OMGOMG IT IS.

OMG I FEEL LIKE IM IN THE PRESENCE OF A FAMOUS PERSON

like omgomgomggogggmmtogmgintihbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 27 décembre 2010 - 03:27 .

[MachineMaiden]

ro0st3r wrote...

Would you guys be disappointed if Fenris is not a LI? 

Extremely dissappointed currently but I usually go on people's perstonalities. I adored Cullen in DA:O, I really wished he was a LI and thought it was adorable how he was so shy and such. Naturally I was drawn to Alistair and his shy, sweet, loving and loyal nature. For now though with hardly any info on Fenris I'm just going on looks and what I'm 'warping' him in my mind to be which may be completely wrong. I hope it isn't but probably is. If he is like what I imagine him to be I will be heartbroken if it isn't a LI. Long live the Lady Hawk movie!! Hawke x Fenris!! (aka Hawk x Wolf, who both animals mate for life )

Modifié par MachineMaiden, 27 décembre 2010 - 03:33 .

[Loc'n'lol]

Do you think, you could, like... kill him, then skin him for lyrium and sell it for massive amounts of gold ? That sounds like a good idea, right ?

Modifié par _Loc_N_lol_, 27 décembre 2010 - 06:55 .

[Wynne]

Thank you, Anarya! BPearl12, I love your Fenris drawing; it's beautiful. And welcome, kuurankuiskaus!

To maselphie: I think I get what you were trying to say. In essence, you don't want to have the feeling that he might be accidentally yelling someone else's name after the campfire goes out!  

At its best, I would look for romance in a game to give a positive example of what to look for in a relationship. The examples that I saw in fiction are, I think, part of what caused me to break up with my previous (deceptive) boyfriend because I felt like I knew there was something better out there for both of us. A good romance can be a form of mentoring. Sure, it's entertainment, but entertainment can educate and mentor new generations, and it does so on a very organic level. It's an opportunity to help show why a real love is better than a silly, dangerous infatuation with the bad boy, even. If I fell for someone new after my love died, I would make sure that he felt the fact that my heart was not tangled up in the lost love. If I didn't, I'd be (rightfully) afraid of losing him.

I think that's important for a second-love romance: if the player has to be the second sweeping, compelling romance in the LI's life, they must have the chance to feel that "*I* suit my LI *now*." At least with Carth it was hard to doubt he saw you as different from his lost wife, whereas if you tell Thane you can't replace his dead wife, he's like, "well, you wouldn't be, but I understand you mean you want to break up," which is pretty unfortunate with the implications there despite how he may have meant it. Bottom line: it just has to be handled right, and not done too often, particularly not in the same way.

And I think, no matter how unfair it may be, that I will not be able to get the Carth comparisons out of my brain for a long, long time. That's just the way it is when a memorable, emotion-inspiring element becomes frequently used amongst an audience which remains largely composed of the same people (female RPG fans). If I see a dead wife and/or child show up that are given names and shown to be significant in the character's personal quest, I am just not going to be able to stop the Carth pop-up in my head from saying, "Hi! Remember that time when you found out I was married, and it was tragic, and then it ended up being interesting in relation to your background, and you did that sidequest about my son, and then you played through my romance like 3 more times because I was the only male LI for a female player and you really liked it anyway? And notice how it's totally not cool to see the dead wife happening again lots of times because it feels kinda like a pale shadow of what R. and I had?"

Yeah. I do notice. I wish I could help it.

There is of course much more to the game than the romance, but a cake just loses something without that sweet, sweet icing, which is why we get these humongous threads about romances. Because the characters are--at least halfway--the most important part of the story and romances within games are such a pleasant, engrossing part of the journey, which make you appreciate it all the more.

[quote]HolyJellyfish wrote...

A quick way to deepen them? I politely disagree with this statement, and it's insulting to the writer. A character with a tragic history is much more difficult to write than one that isn't, especially if their former relationship may have negatively impacted the way they might connect with others (Distance issues comes to mind). What is it that makes your PC so special, that character is willing to drop their barriers and talk to you? Its trickier ground, than say conveying Alistair's romance in which he essentially is a tabula rasa.[/quote]
Not necessarily insulting. I actually think tragic past deaths by themselves (meaning, ignoring any other story elements that might make them a lot more complicated, such as in KOTOR) are much easier, gaining fast sympathy from the audience, and providing a lot of immediate hooks; it's not hard to think about what that character would want or would talk about. They want their grief to end; they want to talk about what happened. Alistair's is much trickier precisely because you can't as easily solve the questions of, "how do I give this character an investment and a place in the world? How do I make a dorky virgin appealing without seeming too childish for the average woman to like?" Sideplot-wise, Goldanna was a brilliant solution and subversion, if you ask me. You see instantly why he cares about her, you tie her to The Calling if you've read it, and then you expect a loving reunion and get a slap in the face.

Alistair's not such a blank slate, is he? A goofy, naughty, virgin bastard is more difficult to think as than a married adult male for whom you automatically think "he cares about his family and filling the husband/father role." Furthermore, a virgin female may have been done a lot before--but males are almost never done. (That was downright heroic if you ask me.) I want to see more of that kind of original thinking, not a string of more dead lovers. This doesn't relate to Fenris by itself, though. If that's his basic past, it still might not rub me the wrong way or stick out like a sore thumb. But regardless, I just hope that in the future, in general, this will not happen so much, and that it maybe happens to the guys instead if it must happen to someone. Because that, like the male virgin, is not a vastly overused trope at the current moment. That is important--the more a tragic history is used similarly, the less compelling/interesting it is no matter how hard you try to like it.

But I do have a good feeling about Fenris. Even if he did have a dead family, I am going to trust for the moment that it will not make me roll my eyes and howl. Especially not if the family was very long ago and never perfectly remembered, which it might well be. My feeling is that Fenris is no spring chicken.

David Gaider--though I agree completely that he takes WAY more flak than he should for a lot of things and has to deal with annoying people throwing their weight around and acting horrendously priveleged all the freaking time, and I definitely feel bad for him about that, and feel we're extremely lucky for having him pay attention to us at all--I still felt compelled to respond, only because I wanted him to understand. I don't think maselphie or anybody views him in a negative light no matter how tired we are of the dead lover (which he is not even at fault for, really--it's not like he wrote Thane and such.) We all love his work.

And I love everyone on this thread except the trolls; I feel a kinship just because we're fantasy-roleplaying-gamers with great taste, so the occasional friendly disagreement is never going to phase me or make me respect anyone less.

Well, not unless they said that Fenris was as ugly as an ape or something like that. That would be unforgivable!

[quote]tankgirly wrote...

Besides, DG did hint there are more characters at the horizon. (More LI will be nice, yes)[/quote]
Ohhh, man... if the other was a nerdy human mage, I'd have a hard time trying to decide between Fenris and him. I'd almost certainly settle on Fenris, but... nerdy mage! I have a thing. Regardless, I'd probably be really sweet to him, just like I will be with Fenris; usually on my first run I'm too in touch with the emotions of the story to play a character who likes being cruel to decent people. My first Origins character was a rough and practical Brosca rogue not afraid of killing anyone who'd murdered someone else, but even she had major a streak of kindness under most circumstances... this time I think I love the idea of being an apostate mage and seizing the family legacy before I try anything else. Mage!Hawke was, after all, super-cool in the trailer.

[quote]Madame Rose Crimsynn wrote...

*Shakes head* What is with you lot and this Prince Nuada guy? [/quote]
This is what is with us! Well, he's tragic and sympathetic and brooding and a white-haired elf warrior who feels wronged and wants to fight against injustice. Just in base, broad characteristics, sound like anyone you know?

Their stories are very different, but I think Fenris and Nuada would SO be drinking buddies. They'd knock back some wine; Fenris would vent about mages, and Nuada would rant about the humans destroying all the magical creatures, and they would teach each other their favorite drinking songs. It would be a night to rock the tavern!

[quote]Maria Caliban wrote...

But you can't touch him. This has unfortunate implications. Isn't touching a good thing? I would not want a relationship with no touching. [/quote]
I'm sure we'll eventually be able to. I mean, much as I might love someone, I want to get it on. A LOT. I have the kind of sex drive people normally ascribe to the average frat boy, so the thought of no sex is quite bad for me. I respect asexual people, but I couldn't be with one. I'd be happy to have a close friend like a sibling with which I don't have sex, but when it comes to a relationship, I needs me some lovin'.

That said, I would still wait for the guy if he's not ready. I mean, I couldn't survive on no sex forever, but for a while, sure. The right person's worth waiting for. *feels sappy*

[quote]Pseudocognition wrote...

But what about this? *NIN link*[/quote]
I loves you for that one! It's a great one. And you inspired me to make a suggestion too. I like Demon Hunter's I Play Dead for Fenris. I hear him in every line of that song. It fits his stoicism, his uneasiness at being touched, and his determination to survive and not be destroyed or absorbed. You can hear both pain and determination, which sort of embodies his personality as we currently know it.

[quote]HolyJellyfish wrote...

Heh. I like all these songs people keep throwing out there. Its fun.

Here is another one, possible interpretation of the direction Hawke x Fenris may go, considering trust / distance issues that poor elf probably has. *Kingdom of Rust*[/quote]
That one is positively exquisite!! How the hell did I never hear of that band before? Because, wow... I'm tempted to say they're about as emotive as Jeff Buckley, if that song's any indication. It was beautiful! Are all their songs that good?

[quote]Tinxa wrote...

If in the game he actually was an ancient arlathan werewolf who was once Fen'harel (or something) I simply couldn't stand the cheesiness of it.
I mean is it just me who would find all the "extra speshulness" silly?[/quote]
The question is, why is he a living weapon? Why him, particularly? Why, if he's just random elf #47, would he be bestowed with special powers?

Maybe just because lyrium's dangerous and they didn't want to experiment on themselves or other "real people" vs. mere slaves. But maybe they thought someone of Fenris's kind, specifically, would be able to survive their experiments for a particular reason.

I think the Fen'harel thing is something I'm glad wasn't the case because being a demigod is too much. But being simply Arlathan... I can see that. Maybe he was even in Uthenera and brought out of it, losing his immortality and forgetting all that came before. All his family, his children, his grandchildren if he had them. That's tragic, but fascinating, and he will definitely be living another life now. He would be a completely different person; that life would be lost to him forever, like a faded dream that didn't really fit him anymore.

I don't think that's too extra-speshul sounding. I think it's just special. But who knows what we've got in store for us once DA2 hits the shelves? My curiosity is definitely up.

[quote]Ramante wrote...

Looking at the concept art (Fenris, not elves) I noticed there are also lyrium lines in the palm of his hand.. so holding a sword should be really painful (let alone fighting with it)..
I wonder if the lyrium lines on his hand will be present in the game, to me it wouldn't make a lot of sense if they were.. or Fenris must like fighting while he is in pain, but the same can be said about wearing clothes being painful. I guess I'm just rambling and reading too much into everything.[/quote]
Pain and adrenaline are linked... it may be part of why he's so good at fighting.

As for clothes being painful, I think protection trumps feeling good for someone as determined to survive as Fenris. Although, I personally wouldn't mind if he hung around camp in the buff.

[quote]SirOccam wrote...

Oh, sure. I see how it is. Total gender discrimination, but that's cool. No boys allowed. I get it.

(*wonders if he laid it on thick enough*)
[/quote]
We love you, Occy. *huggles* You will always be a fenboy to us!

[quote]Lucy_Glitter wrote...

I once got that Sacred Ashes CG face change mod... but I uninstalled it about 15 mins into the game. I can't see Morrigan, Leliana or Sten with anything but their original vanilla faces. I like them too much.
[/quote]
For me, it's Morrigan, Sten, and Alistair. Zevran and Leliana I changed, though I like the subtler mods best. AtomicSpaceKitty in particular has some great Zevran versions available; I use NatOren's Leliana.

Fenris I will never, NEVER mod; neither will I mod Isabela or Bethany or Carver. Those faces in particular I love as they are, Fenris most of all.

[quote]Uhh.. Jonah wrote...

Say what!? Where did you hear about this time skip?
[/quote]
*peers at the Joker avatar* Wynne approves +50.

Modifié par Wynne, 27 décembre 2010 - 04:17 .

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Wynne wrote...

This is what is with us! Well, he's tragic and sympathetic and brooding and a white-haired elf warrior who feels wronged and wants to fight against injustice.

Yes. IRL not so much, but fictional characters with laser guided intense yet misaimed determination? I dig it. Even if they're absolutely horrible people I get really invested in characters who think they're doing the right thing especially if it's at the cost of their health/sanity/reputation/social standing etc. (Which sounds like the college experience, so I guess I can relate?)

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 27 décembre 2010 - 04:27 .