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Arquen wrote...

Every character in DA2 is selfish at least at first. I realized that Hawke is one giant sucker. Hawke is a strong and capable person, willing to do any mundane job for personal gain/family gain/whatever. Varric recognizes the talent in Hawke immediately and approaches him/her right away to take advantage of it. Furthermore, Aveline, Anders, Fenris, Aveline, and even Isabela and Merrill use Hawke for their own vested gains at first. Aveline uses Hawke as a chance to start over in Kirkwall, Anders uses Hawke as a powerful person to help him "rescue" his friend from the Templars and then decides to stick around Hawke because he/she could prove a useful ally in the future he has planned. Isabela wants your capableness to find her relic for her and then ditch you. Merrill wants you as a friend in the city and an ally to help her complete her eluvian.

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The other day, shortly after completing another run-through as a snarky rogue Hawke.  It occurred to me that Hawke doesn't really know any other way but to give and give and give some more, of herself, her time, her efforts, even her life if need be.  Her entire life has been an endless routine of responsibility, first as the eldest and then later the head of the household once Malcolm was gone.  She's been under a constant and neverending pressure of "you have to" her entire bleeping life.  By the time she loses her mother, she simply knows no other way of being, until it's her friends and companions that become, for her, family enough she has to be responsible some more.  That's what ties her to Kirkwall in Act 3 and that's all that ties her there, I think.

My canon Hawke is the snarky rogue, mind you.  She uses humor to cope with the stress she constantly endures, as an eldest child in a family on the run turned refugee.  She loses her brother to the Blight and she loses her sister in the Deep Roads.  Those are tremendous failures, in her mind, so that protecting her mother becomes that much more precious a burden.  That's what makes losing HER, imo, so utterly profound.  I'm always moved during the scene where the camera pans along to a silent bedroom, where Hawke is sitting, alone, staring into nothing.  I can't begin to imagine how much it would hurt, sitting there in the wake of her mother's murder by a crazy mage, wondering, "I'm alone, there's nothing left, what else have I got to hold me here, what else do I have to live for, there's nothing."  And then Fenris walks in.

Fenris is exceptional, imo, because he's the one single person in Hawke's life who stops long enough to consider what Hawke needs, to give back to Hawke, to do for her.  Everyone else, it's about what they can get from Hawke.  But Fenris really does remain close to her solely because he feels and believes she needs him.  If it wasn't for Hawke, I think, Fenris would've skipped out of town on his way to lead his hunters on a merry chase off a cliff of doom.  But he stays and he stays, for nothing other than Hawke.  He never asks for much, simply a companion and compatriot against Danarius.  But he makes it clear it's not a task he would ask for without giving something in return and what he gives is himself, his loyalty, an unending and unswerving level of loyalty.

IMO, he's the least selfish of any of Hawke's companions, because he treats everything about Hawke, everything she provides, every bit of her acceptance and her respect and her love, every bit of her smile, her laughter, her pleasure and even her fear and pain, as a precious and incredible gift that he's just plain not worthy of, can't imagine he's deserving of, so that it awes him utterly, all of it.  That's what makes him determined to fight and to care, for Hawke.  It's that kind of consideration that just plain sets him apart from all of the others, I think.

Edited to add, since I'm once again at the top of the thread, yay:

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Modifié par phyreblade74, 31 mai 2011 - 07:47 .


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I love your epic pics, Phyre! I need to get me some more Fenris action shots, LOL. I definitely agree that Fenris is the only companion who doesn't want anything from Hawke other than what he stated -- the death of Danarius. He doesn't know any other way of being a friend than to just be at Hawke's side as a protectorate.

He is the least selfish of the bunch, and he really does stop and consider what Hawke wants, but he is faulted in that sometimes he gets so wrapped up in what Hawke wants he cannot see what HE wants. I think that more than anything is why he takes that 3 year break from Hawke. He needs to figure out what HE wants, and if it is truly Hawke or another master or a family that he is after.

Oh, I feel like the Fenris Fan poster child right now with the debate going on in the other thread. Phyre, thanks for being a kindred spirit and voicing some of the same things I believe about our favorite elf, LOL.

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Arquen wrote...

I love your epic pics, Phyre! I need to get me some more Fenris action shots, LOL. I definitely agree that Fenris is the only companion who doesn't want anything from Hawke other than what he stated -- the death of Danarius. He doesn't know any other way of being a friend than to just be at Hawke's side as a protectorate.

He is the least selfish of the bunch, and he really does stop and consider what Hawke wants, but he is faulted in that sometimes he gets so wrapped up in what Hawke wants he cannot see what HE wants. I think that more than anything is why he takes that 3 year break from Hawke. He needs to figure out what HE wants, and if it is truly Hawke or another master or a family that he is after.

Oh, I feel like the Fenris Fan poster child right now with the debate going on in the other thread. Phyre, thanks for being a kindred spirit and voicing some of the same things I believe about our favorite elf, LOL.


Since I view my Hawke as so much pressured and responsible for everyone and their brother aside from herself, I tend to think Fenris is a perfect foil.  Both of them tend to neglect their own needs in lieu of others' until all they can really count on is each other.  Fenris will bend over backwards to assure Hawke he's there for her and vice versa, so that neither is left to break under the pressure of their lives, alone.  They're perfect for each other.

And thanks for the kudos for my screenies!  As I said earlier, I grab endless numbers of the things, enough I get a few that are really amazing.  Since I adore Fenris and he's in just about every group I run, I end up with quite a few of him, with Hawke and not.  Have a really great screenie of Merrill, too, that made me catch my breath.  I should really toss it into the Merrill thread. 

I have been reading your posts on the other thread, btw.  I couldn't possibly articulate it so well, yer doing a bang-up job putting to words what I wanted to say.  Hugs!

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phyreblade74 wrote...

Edited to add, since I'm once again at the top of the thread, yay:

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It's like there's a halo around him. Which is fitting, since every time he's on the screen I hear the angel's chorus. 

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I have very few screenshots, but he's in all but one of them. And half of the ones that he is in is where he's got Lyrium Ghost on. It's beautiful.

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LMAO, I was looking through my screenshots and I found a great one since we are on Halo/Bright Fenris kick right now...

I cracked up. Don't even know what was going on - some explosion I suppose, but the screenie is epic.

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That screenshot is epic!! I've been lurking this thread for awhile but never actually posted til now.
I also agree with you guys. Fenris is differently the least selfish of all the companions. Whenever i try to romance Anders, it never goes far, not just because I hate him but because it seems like he's using you and doesn't really care about you.

I just made a video about Fenris and I thought maybe someone on here would enjoy it so here's the link:



I think my love of Fenris is becoming very unhealthy.

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phyreblade74 wrote...

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Beautiful screen! :D

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 I... had to do this. 

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He was actually a unicorn prince that got trapped in elven form and then kidnapped before being sold into slavery. About halfway through the game a flying purple cat arrives to tell him that unless the player helps him ascend to the Unicorn Throne the world will come to an end. Angst ensues.
© David Gaider 

Modifié par Aaorin, 01 juin 2011 - 12:40 .


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Loving all the art and screenshots. <3

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@ metagirl: Great video, and I like the song. You put together quite the compilation of screens and it went well I think. For being your second video it is pretty good. Of course the one noticeable thing is your Fenris model. Those eyes scare me a bit. I love that jacket though, LOL. It is very Dante-esque. I think Iv'e seen it before on Dragon age Nexus I'm sure. I personally prefer the original model of Fenris. I tried putting a mod to him one time and I just deleted it. Took to much away from his character for my taste. Still, I could totally see him wearing that jacket all casual like. The eyes still scare me. I much prefer his soft emerald eyes than those bright ethereal eyes. Still, good video, and now I must find the song to DL somewhere muahaha.

@Aaorin. I remember that quote! LMAO, that is the best pic ever. Did you do that one yourself? It's fantastic. Oh, the creator is such a clever one! I do love David Gaider. LMAO, unicorn prince. He is shiny enough for sure!

ONE night at the hanged man after many drinks everyone has left but Fenris and Hawke...

Hawke: (in a drunken slurr) So, those markings, make you into some kind of mythical creature and you light up like a blazing blue inferno, right? And you kill people by going POW with your fist right. Thassocool!
Fenris: Not... exactly how it works, but okay.
Hawke: But you do light up, your so shiny! Like a Unicorn!
Fenris: Hawke... are you feeling okay? This is unusual talk even for you.
Hawke: So, your a unicorn prince then! Yes, I see it now.. A unicorn prince who was sold into slavery, oh my how sad.
Fenris: Hawke, I think you've had enough of the Hanged man, lets get you home.
Hawke: but the purple cat told me!!... (passes out)
Fenris: (raises an eyebrow at Hawke and proceeds to pick her up and escort her half walking/half carrying out the bar) sometimes, Hawke, I think you know more than is good for you.

Modifié par Arquen, 01 juin 2011 - 02:48 .


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Aaorin wrote...

 I... had to do this. 

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He was actually a unicorn prince that got trapped in elven form and then kidnapped before being sold into slavery. About halfway through the game a flying purple cat arrives to tell him that unless the player helps him ascend to the Unicorn Throne the world will come to an end. Angst ensues.
© David Gaider 

It's sort of odd rereading those posts from before the game came out. People fished for info on everything... Gaider's height included? Posted Image 
The picture is adorable and lovely. The Fenicorn looks so sad. Huggable. Posted ImagePosted Image

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It is true, people get so desperate for spoilers. I think this was the perfect way for David Gaider to handle it. He is a genius that man!

I want that Fenicorn as a pet. The purple cat is pretty damn awesome as well, but the Fenicorn does look so sad. He even has the puppy eyes!

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Aaorin wrote...
 I... had to do this.
He was actually a unicorn prince that got trapped in elven form and then kidnapped before being sold into slavery. About halfway through the game a flying purple cat arrives to tell him that unless the player helps him ascend to the Unicorn Throne the world will come to an end. Angst ensues.
© David Gaider 


The Hanged Man

Varric:
(rubbing forehead) Elf, how drunk was I last night?

Fenris: I don't know. I passed out. Why do you ask?

Varric: Because I think that the narrative took a turn for the worse.

Fenris: What do you mean 'turn for the worse'?

Merrill: Fenris, is it true are you really a unicorn? I bet you were pretty. Were you pretty?

Fenris: Dwarf.

Varric: Yes Elf?

Fenris: I hate you.

Varric: (holding his head in his hands) Not to be insulting Elf, but I think my insides are doing a better job ot that than you are.

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[quote]Aaorin wrote...

 I... had to do this. 

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He was actually a unicorn prince that got trapped in elven form and then kidnapped before being sold into slavery. About halfway through the game a flying purple cat arrives to tell him that unless the player helps him ascend to the Unicorn Throne the world will come to an end. Angst ensues.
© David Gaider [/quote]

The purple cat certainly has an interesting face tattoo. *raises eyebrow*

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Gideon Emery in a booth wearing a DA t-shirt....

Interesting......:whistle:

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ZombieGeisha wrote...

Gideon Emery in a booth wearing a DA t-shirt....

Interesting......:whistle:


Indeed! 

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So I've played the game a couple of times, have friendmanced Fenris twice, rivalmance once and have also tried a rivalmance with Anders.
Now a question for you, should I go for another rivalmance with Fenris or try a friendmance with Anders? I really liked the rivalmance with Fenris and thought the rivalmance with Anders was okay, but not really satisfying in the end. For the ones who have tried a friendmance with Anders is it much better/different than the rivalmance? If it's not all that different, I will go for the rivalmance with Fenris again...

Okay, I used the -mance words too much in this post.

@Zombiegeisha, very interesting. btw did you delete your fanfiction account? I had it bookmarked, but it no longer works.

Edit: proofreading before hitting submit is very important.

Modifié par Ramante, 01 juin 2011 - 07:33 .


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Ramante wrote...

So I've played the game a couple of times, have friendmanced Fenris twice, rivalmance once and have also tried a rivalmance with Anders.
Now a question for you, should I go for another rivalmance with Fenris or try a friendmance with Anders? I really liked the rivalmance with Fenris and thought the rivalmance with Anders was okay, but not really satisfying in the end. For the ones who have tried a friendmance with Anders is it much better/different than the rivalmance? If it's not all that different, I will go for the rivalmance with Fenris again...

Okay, I used the -mance words too much in this post.

@Zombiegeisha, very interesting. btw did you delete your fanfiction account? I had it bookmarked, but it no longer works.

Edit: proofreading before hitting submit is very important.


Anders has the biggest difference between friendmance and rivalmance of all charactes, I think.

If I were you, I'd rivalmance Fenris until he breaks up with you, then friendmance Anders. Best of both worlds: You get the sparkly kiss, and the friendmanced Anders.

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Ramante wrote...

So I've played the game a couple of times, have friendmanced Fenris twice, rivalmance once and have also tried a rivalmance with Anders.
Now a question for you, should I go for another rivalmance with Fenris or try a friendmance with Anders? I really liked the rivalmance with Fenris and thought the rivalmance with Anders was okay, but not really satisfying in the end. For the ones who have tried a friendmance with Anders is it much better/different than the rivalmance? If it's not all that different, I will go for the rivalmance with Fenris again...

I, personally, think it's worth going through Anders friendmance at least once. It doesn't seem to have quite as 'much' to it as the rivalry path has(like Vengeance ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL)... but it's nice to see him a bit more relaxed than he is on rivalry. He seems to be more in control, more often.
But... that might just be me. Posted Image

... But no other romance, rivalry or frienship, can beat the rivalry after-"Alone" talk with Fenris. Cursing in Tevinter! Posted Image

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Ramante wrote...


@Zombiegeisha, very interesting. btw did you delete your fanfiction account? I had it bookmarked, but it no longer works.


Sadly I am not sure how it happened but somone got onto my ff account and deleted all of my stories :crying: and me being stupid didn't save the original documents. I have a new one now with new stories. I haven't got the heart to re-write my old ones. Lost so much.

I have got a new one now and have just managed to get the same name today so here it is!

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ZombieGeisha wrote...

Ramante wrote...


@Zombiegeisha, very interesting. btw did you delete your fanfiction account? I had it bookmarked, but it no longer works.


Sadly I am not sure how it happened but somone got onto my ff account and deleted all of my stories :crying: and me being stupid didn't save the original documents. I have a new one now with new stories. I haven't got the heart to re-write my old ones. Lost so much.

I have got a new one now and have just managed to get the same name today so here it is!


That. Sucks.

Have you tried to find google caches of your documents? Or the Wayback Machine? Or putting out a public request for people who might have saved copies of your fic to send it to you?

I had a friend who had a major website and hard drive crash long ago, and who managed to rebuild about 50% of her archive that way. I hope you find most of your stuff.

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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

ZombieGeisha wrote...

Ramante wrote...


@Zombiegeisha, very interesting. btw did you delete your fanfiction account? I had it bookmarked, but it no longer works.


Sadly I am not sure how it happened but somone got onto my ff account and deleted all of my stories :crying: and me being stupid didn't save the original documents. I have a new one now with new stories. I haven't got the heart to re-write my old ones. Lost so much.

I have got a new one now and have just managed to get the same name today so here it is!


That. Sucks.

Have you tried to find google caches of your documents? Or the Wayback Machine? Or putting out a public request for people who might have saved copies of your fic to send it to you?

I had a friend who had a major website and hard drive crash long ago, and who managed to rebuild about 50% of her archive that way. I hope you find most of your stuff.


I only managed to get my old username back today (even though it's being abit dodgy still won;t update etc), so hoping old followers will find me again and I can ask. I will try the cache thing. I honestly thought nothing like this would ever happen (I save all my design work but due to ff having the documents thought I was safe) Still unsure as to how/why it happened. 

Modifié par ZombieGeisha, 01 juin 2011 - 08:17 .


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wildannie wrote...

ZombieGeisha wrote...

Gideon Emery in a booth wearing a DA t-shirt....

Interesting......:whistle:


Indeed! 


Great, now I have the urge to pencil sketch that (glancing the overflowing sketch box....).

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ZombieGeisha wrote...

Gideon Emery in a booth wearing a DA t-shirt....

Interesting......:whistle:


Is it so terrible that when I saw this, I got up and ran around spinning (2) circles of demonic pleasure delight?


tankgirly wrote...

Great, now I have the urge to pencil sketch that (glancing the overflowing sketch box....).


You should, Grandmaster Ninja, you should. :D

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Also, I'm pretty sure I'm going to some level of hell.

I giggled at the Fenicorn. I also want one.

Modifié par Madame Rose Crimsynn, 01 juin 2011 - 10:58 .