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[Annarl]

Patriciachr34 wrote...

omearaee wrote...

metalgirl-1 wrote...

.... Also to go back to the whole Garrus/Fenris thing for a second, I wonder why people who really like Fenris really like garrus too? I know I really like both characters but I wonder how many others do too? And why exactly that is? Any ideas?

I like Fenris, in fact he's the first elven character I've ever liked.  Now, I like Iorveth (from TW2) even better.  That poor handsome face:wub:.    But Garrus to me is just my wingman.  He's always my Sheps best buddy.  No romance.

OMG!!! Someone just like me! This!  This!  This!

Cool you like Iorveth too. It just about broke my heart when I saw his face without the scarf around it:crying:  Poor Iorveth but he's still a handsome elf.

Modifié par omearaee, 09 juin 2011 - 05:54 .

[Annarl]

The problem with Varania again comes down to a lack of information. We don't know. All our character can do is go with his/her gut instinct. And our only choice is life or death. I strangely do have some sympathy for Varania. But most of my characters didn't trust her enough to let her live. I was concerned she would come back after Fenris...she does seem to have some issues.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

I just wish we could send Varania to the Dalish. As a mage she'd find peace and training there, and she'd learn how to have a family and be part of a community.

Of course "send them to the Dalish! the Dalish will fix it! I know, why don't we just ask the Dalish!" is my solution for everything.

[Meeszy Alexy]

My interpretation of Varania is that she was probably a nice person originally, but bitterness and resentment turned her into a ****. If she was being blood-magic'd into it or Danarius was threatening her mother's life or something among those lines, I'd have far more sympathy for her.

[Patchwork]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...



Of course "send them to the Dalish! the Dalish will fix it! I know, why don't we just ask the Dalish!" is my solution for everything.

LOL same. As much as I hate having to take responsibility for Merril's stupidity I'll do it every time to avoid having to kill the clan.

[Ryzaki]

Ah Varania. I do let Fenris kill her a good portion of times. Mostly because Hawke has no idea if she has ties with other Magisters. So better not to risk it.

[Patriciachr34]

omearaee wrote...

Patriciachr34 wrote...

omearaee wrote...

metalgirl-1 wrote...

.... Also to go back to the whole Garrus/Fenris thing for a second, I wonder why people who really like Fenris really like garrus too? I know I really like both characters but I wonder how many others do too? And why exactly that is? Any ideas?

I like Fenris, in fact he's the first elven character I've ever liked.  Now, I like Iorveth (from TW2) even better.  That poor handsome face:wub:.    But Garrus to me is just my wingman.  He's always my Sheps best buddy.  No romance.

OMG!!! Someone just like me! This!  This!  This!

Cool you like Iorveth too. It just about broke my heart when I saw his face without the scarf around it:crying:  Poor Iorveth but he's still a handsome elf.

I just think of it as a beauty mark. Seriously,  I find it odd that the only two elves I find interesting have sad and desperate pasts.  Fenris and Ivoreth both fight for their freedom physically, mentally and emotionally.  They also bear the scars of their struggle openly.  The difference is that Ivoreth fights for his people whether they want him to or not.  Fenris views most other elves with disdain.  If Fenris ever completely rids himself of a slaves mentality, then he may become a revolutioary leader like Ivoreth, but somehow I do not see that happening.

[Heidenreich]

Meeszy Alexy wrote...

My interpretation of Varania is that she was probably a nice person originally, but bitterness and resentment turned her into a ****. If she was being blood-magic'd into it or Danarius was threatening her mother's life or something among those lines, I'd have far more sympathy for her.

I just think you guys are thinking to hard about it ;p

Some people are ihnarently selfish. You're not worth their time, unless you've got something they want/need/can give them. Then suddenly they love and respect and dote on you. If, you happen to have what they perceive as a better deal, they're bitter and will jump at the chance to get ahead, even if it means selling out someoen they otherwise care for.

She was a slave, and then she wasn't, but Tevinter isn't know for being open to elves or non-mages (who aren't bodyguards OF mages). So, having a place to live with no worry of ever NOT having a place to live.. to suddenly having to worry about having a roof over your head and food in your belly, is a huge deal. Even if being a slave SUCKED, and there was always potential for abuse and badness and DIEING TO being bled.. it still meant security on a personal-needs level.

It would be like throwing a child out on the street with noting more then the clothing on their backs. It doesn't matter that said childs parents were abusive. It only matters is now said child has to learn to fend for themselves when they've never before had to.

She probably went to Denarius, because he was her former master, once she found out she had magic. Only she didn't know that Fenris had escaped, perhaps. Fenris' been out of Denarius's "employ" for almost 7 years when Hadriana shows up. It wouldn't suprise me if Varania is much much younger then Fenris, probably only a young girl when he competed to free she and their mother.

And Denarius, being the jackass that he is, was all "... well my dear, I'd be happy to help you out, but I'm in quite the perdiciment. I am terribly worried, you see. Your brother seems to be lost, and not having any memory doesn't understand that I'm only trying to bring him home safely. I'll make you a deal. I'll take you on as an apprentice, if you help me bring him home. Help me, and I'll help you."

and, being an inherently selfsh person, she went, "I.. get what I want, and Leto will be home safe. I could even take care of him." *chinstroke*

In fact I bet until she saw him walk in with Hawke that it hadn't even occured to her that he had a full life on his own. Even if he wrote her and told her as much. Because she's inherently selfish. It isn't until THAT SINGLE moment, does she realise what she's done by leading Denarius to him.

[FieryDove]

Heidenreich wrote...

 It isn't until THAT SINGLE moment, does she realise what she's done by leading Denarius to him.

If you look at her face and listen closely to her parting shot she doesn't seem to *care* anything in regards to Fenris's well being. In fact I have a feeling she is so selfish/stupid she would run to the next magister in line and cause problems later for *Leto* again and again.

I don't like killing people for being stupid/inexperienced aka "Merrill" ...on the other hand revenge types always come to bite you in the...ya know. It would be one ambush after another until either Fenris was recaptured for someone else, dead or the magisters say enough too many resources lost trying to catch him.

The only reason (without more info) not to kill her is Fenris learns he wanted his tats and why and won't have any later regrets because he killed his sister. So it's hard from my point of view to justify letting her live.

[Arquen]

I think it was left purposefully ambiguous so people could interpret varania how they want. The player feels either sorry for her because of a supposed struggle in her life or angry at her for being a betraying, backstabbing social climber. Hence she can live or die based on this.

[Annarl]

Patriciachr34 wrote...

I just think of it as a beauty mark. Seriously,  I find it odd that the only two elves I find interesting have sad and desperate pasts.  Fenris and Ivoreth both fight for their freedom physically, mentally and emotionally.  They also bear the scars of their struggle openly.  The difference is that Ivoreth fights for his people whether they want him to or not.  Fenris views most other elves with disdain.  If Fenris ever completely rids himself of a slaves mentality, then he may become a revolutioary leader like Ivoreth, but somehow I do not see that happening.

Since I feel the same way, I wonder what it means too.   As for your thoughts about Fenris, that would be one heck of a DLC or an expansion pack.   Make it happen Bioware. 

Modifié par omearaee, 09 juin 2011 - 07:00 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

FieryDove wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...

 It isn't until THAT SINGLE moment, does she realise what she's done by leading Denarius to him.

If you look at her face and listen closely to her parting shot she doesn't seem to *care* anything in regards to Fenris's well being. In fact I have a feeling she is so selfish/stupid she would run to the next magister in line and cause problems later for *Leto* again and again.

I don't like killing people for being stupid/inexperienced aka "Merrill" ...on the other hand revenge types always come to bite you in the...ya know. It would be one ambush after another until either Fenris was recaptured for someone else, dead or the magisters say enough too many resources lost trying to catch him.

The only reason (without more info) not to kill her is Fenris learns he wanted his tats and why and won't have any later regrets because he killed his sister. So it's hard from my point of view to justify letting her live.

I just think that it might have been possible to gain a lot from talking with her, and maybe even helping her.

There are some people who are just crap. Utter crap, for whatever reason... they're selfish, they're evil, they're sadistic, what-have-you.

And there are some people who seem like crap because no one has ever shown them any glimpse of human kindness. Because they've been taught their entire life that being out for anyone but yourself is moronic, and that no one can be trusted, and that there's no such thing as friendship. And then when a person shows them kindness, they crack in half and reveal their nougat-y center.

Without talking with Varania, there's no way to determine which she is. Can she be helped? Setting her free to fend for herself again seems unproductive - if she has no one to turn to or rely on and still doesn't understand the value of kindness, she may still not have an opportunity to learn how to interact with people properly. If she is just an inherently bad person, then she'll just keep being a jerk and possibly cause trouble for Fenris in the future.

I still let her go. I just wish I could actually check on her, or set her up somewhere, or do something to make it possible for her to develop emotional stability. Because just dumping her without figuring out why she is like she is doesn't really help anyone.

[FieryDove]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

And there are some people who seem like crap because no one has ever shown them any glimpse of human kindness. Because they've been taught their entire life that being out for anyone but yourself is moronic, and that no one can be trusted, and that there's no such thing as friendship. And then when a person shows them kindness, they crack in half and reveal their nougat-y center.

Oh I agree its possible. But if she is so set on becoming a magister the demons will bring out the worse even more so. Hadriana was all demon by the time we encounter her and from what we can tell of her past very much like Fenris' sister.

It's a tough call for sure. It would be interesting if she came back (or not) for DA3 just to see how things turned out but I'm not sure Hawke and co will be anywhere in it except a mention or two.

[Shacary]

I agree with those that more eloquently stated the reasons of why Varania must die, and also on slavery vs freedom. she did have choices, and arguably it can be said living in an alienage type area was still better than being a slave, with no choice, no humanity no rights. Nothing could be worse than that.. no matter how much of a struggle her earlier life could have been, she at least had the ability to make a life of her own choosing. Yes I understand being financially destitute limits where you may go or how well you may live/dress eat, but again, she had the ability with the freedom to strive for better. It is not the road you have already walked, that defines a person imo, but where you are going in the end. She may have already been trained as a seamstress before she left. It could be argued she also had the " skills" to survive.
No matter how angry I would ever get with a sibling , I cannot imagine selling thier blood [ paraphrasing] for my own gain/prestige.
I have no pity for her. Had she said something along the lines of, I didnt know this was going to happen etc, but noooo Danarius relates she did what ANY good citizen would do, [ well any good blood thirsty non-respectful magister anyways] by informign Danarius of his whereabouts for profit.
I let him kill her all the time, altho one PT , I did let her live just to see the alternate dialog. Good debate all. I regret my heart is to hardened to appreciate any concern for her tho LOL .

[metalgirl-1]

Hey guys, I made a new video for FenrisXFemHawke...again!! Yes, I really don't have a life XD. So if anyone wants to watch it, here's the link:

[Caoilfhionn]

Arquen wrote...

I think it was left purposefully ambiguous so people could interpret varania how they want. The player feels either sorry for her because of a supposed struggle in her life or angry at her for being a betraying, backstabbing social climber. Hence she can live or die based on this.

^ This.

On the topic of potentially helping Varania, trying to show her kindness to see if she cracks to that nougaty centre, etc, I've been spending the past couple of days glued to TV Tropes and thought tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheFarmerAndTheViper the most likely outcome of such an attempt. But what can I say? I'm a cynic. 

Interestingly enough, as much as I despise Varania for her victimhood mindset and lack of common decency, I always let her live. My reason is simple. It wouldn't be good for Fenris to kill the last bit of family he has in a moment of rage (and boy's rages really shut down his brain) because he would have that as another regret for the rest of his life. If she lives, then he doesn't have anything to blame himself for, as he did the best he could for her by making the deal (not that he'll ever believe that he's a GOOD person like that). And hell, in my canon, he's going to be with Hawke for the rest of their lives. If Varania talks to any more magisters who want to send hunters after him...well, just let them try. 

Modifié par Caoilfhionn, 09 juin 2011 - 08:38 .

[Arquen]

I always like how with varania you gain rivalry points for saving varania. He pretty much forsakes her anyway and abandons all thoughts of family. Then he is pretty tormented over how he competed for the markings, but maintains that it doesn't make anything better to realize this.

Honestly it breaks my heart how he is so hopeful when he sees her... "varania?" And then so crushed after. "I would have given you everything." That statement makes me think the letter he sent told her about him, where he was, and that he hoped she would join him in the slim hope that he could actually have a family. I just am so much like Fenris in that my rage at that betrayal outweighs my pity for her. When fenris says "you led him here!" (Omg I love that look) she is already dead to me.

[tankgirly]

Prompt time

This week's theme:

A: - Celebrities:

1. David Tennant.
2. Gideon emery.
3. Johnny Deep.
4. Orlando Bloom.
5. Keira Knightly.
6. Liv Tyler.


B. BioWare Dev:
1. David Gaider.
2. Casey Hudson.
3. Chris Priestly.
4. Jennifer Helper.
5. Mike Laidlaw.



The usual stuff, one week time frame and a bold Prompt: (theme) on the top of your post.

Right, have fun.

Modifié par tankgirly, 09 juin 2011 - 09:36 .

[Patchwork]

His response if you chose the 'you're not alone' option breaks my heart 'Is that what we are? Friends?'

So sad.

Modifié par Ser Bard, 09 juin 2011 - 09:37 .

[Arquen]

Omg yes. Of course I always jump to the flirt option, but as a friend option that one kills me. Also when he talks to you about hadriana and you say "were friends Fenris" he goes "im not sure I know what that means." I just go derpface sad.

[Tealsie]

The worst one(for me) is in the after-"alone" rivalry talk, there's an option that has Hawke saying "We're not exactly friends, Fenris".
I wanted to slap Hawke.  so much. That was not what I told you to say!
Back a bit on the subject of Varania: Hawke + Varric kind of cornering Fenris is grand.
"I know what it's like to have to kill your own sister."
"Elf... Fenris. This is the last thing you want to do."(or whatever it is he says exactly).

tankgirly wrote...

Prompt time

2. Gideon emery.
3. Johnny Deep.

Right, have fun.

ooh dear...

*chinstroke*

Modifié par Tealsie, 09 juin 2011 - 09:53 .

[Dr. Doctor]

David Gaider:

Fenris: Hawke...I can't do this. To remember only to forget again. It's just too much. (walks out)

Hawke: Why does this always happen to me?

(Dave appears in a puff of smoke)

Dave: Because if you didn't get beaten down every now and then my job would get boring.

Hawke: Who in the Void are you?

Dave: David Gaider, I'm Fenris' writer.

Hawke: His what?

Dave: His writer. Picture Varric with omnipotence.

Hawke: So it's your fault that Fenris just left me.

Dave: Well...yeah. But don't worry, after about three years of awkwardness he'll finally muster up the courage to tell you how he really feels.

Hawke: Three years? That's a sodding eternity, what are we supposed to do for three years?

Dave: I don't really know, I haven't written that yet, I'll think of something. (chuckles) I mean three years of awkward silence between the two of you wouldn't exactly be gripping stuff now would it?

[Arquen]

If david gaider is reading this... oh man lmao. Its like gaider fanfic almost >.<. Funny yet creepy.

Modifié par Arquen, 10 juin 2011 - 02:22 .

[FieryDove]

Arquen wrote...

If david gaider is reading this... oh man lmao. Its like gaider fabric almost >.<. Funny yet creepy.

I think Mr. Gaider and most of the others stay away from these threads and all fanfic for...sanity sake. Just a guess.

[Arquen]

I have been working like nonstop the past few days. Pardon my responses most were made from my phone in sneak breaks at work, LOL.

I have gathered a playlist for Fenris but I still need some more suggestions. Anyone have any "reminds me of Fenris" songs to share?