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[Wynne]

Pseudocognition wrote...

Yes. IRL not so much, but fictional characters with laser guided intense yet misaimed determination? I dig it. Even if they're absolutely horrible people I get really invested in characters who think they're doing the right thing especially if it's at the cost of their health/sanity/reputation/social standing etc. (Which sounds like the college experience, so I guess I can relate?)

I loved that determination! (And I love the way you described it; laser-guided, intense, definitely!) He is so an Anti-Villain. Heheh, and I guess he is sort of a hippie/college student in his beliefs... it's kind of beautiful about him even though he was so misguided. He really did mean to do the right thing.

Madame Rose Crimsynn wrote...

OK,
nevermind. I see this clip and I like this guy's voice, a lot. And I
can see your point about them being drinking buddies-- as long as Nuada
didn't get it into Fenris' head that all humans need to die.

Imagine if I'd gotten the clip where he's practicing with his weapon and without a shirt!  I swear, I even normally like the scrawny dudes, but just the way he's built, and the way the pale skin shows every tiny twitch of muscle... rawr. *feels that Coke commercial lady-leer creeping onto her face again* Oh, yeah. Mama like.

Hey, you know, the actor's British. I wonder if... nah, probably not. But I do love his voice too.

Fenris... I want to believe he could never be made to hate humans! But you know, even Nuada... his problem was just that he hadn't met humans, only watched them from afar. In real life, if he became a spokesman for his people, millions of people would join his cause and lobby for elven rights and all that good stuff. Granted, most of those millions would be women, but still! I maintain that if he got to know us, he would've liked us.

And we would've liked him. In fact, he probably would've gotten too much 'liking' to want to make war on us anymore.

Am I right? Am I right? Aw, okay, I'll stop now.

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I agree. IRL, those are ingredients
for all kindsa bad disaster. In game? Legit. But that's what makes it a
fantasy game, right? Enjoying characters who typically are unhealthy in
the real world?

That's definitely my theory, in part; I think the best and most-beloved romances are either "too dangerous for one reason or another to try in real life, and yet so delicious in fiction": (Bishop, Atton, Zevran) or "pretty much exactly the kind of person you wish you'd meet in real life" (Carth, Alistair.) I think Fenris, on the other hand, is going to be perfectly in the middle, much like Gann of MotB.

That, IMO, is the sweet spot--somebody it would be a little dangerous to romance in real life, but that you might give a chance anyway because there's just something so compelling about them.

MarginalBeast wrote...

ro0st3r wrote...

Would you guys be disappointed if Fenris is not a LI?

I'd
probably be 10x more disappointed if he was a romance and I thought it
was handled poorly, though. Thankfully the DA:O romances were all pretty
good so I expect to like the ones in DA2 as well.

My fangirl's heart would shrivel like a raisin, but I could live with it in general. Like MarginalBeast, I'd be more disappointed if he was a romance and I felt it was badly done.

My imagination could happily fill in the blanks if the real thing didn't happen. Then again, there was Samara... the conversations you have with her, despite not being able to romance her, are pretty awesome. So not being able to romance Fenris wouldn't be anything like a game-breaker for me.

Bottom line: as long as I can express my feelings to Fenris in a satisfying way, I can live with not being able to have him. And even if I couldn't, I'm happy to have a great character around. Although, as hot as he is... would they really be so mean as to say, "No, you can never have him"? I can't imagine that. They had to know what they were doing when they made a tasty tidbit like him.

Modifié par Wynne, 27 décembre 2010 - 09:53 .

[Lara Denton]

Wynne wrote...

 I think Fenris, on the other hand, is going to be perfectly in the middle, much like Gann of MotB.

That's how I would like him to be. His story, because we know so little about him, somehow seems to have the potential to make him a "dreamer". 

So far, he's definitely dream material and I would be disappointed if he is not a LI. 

[Collider]

When I first saw Miranda, I thought, "Holy love interest!".

I get the same impression from Fenris.

[KendallX23]

well i like the whole weapon with no memory stuff..he does remember me of Wolverine...and since i like Wolvie...i am almost sure i will like Fenris...well i'll be 100% when i will know more about him

[Saibh]

LIs are pretty easy to figure out, in past BioWare games. Something may change, but it's been a long time since anyone young and objectively attractive wasn't a LI. I get LI vibes from Fenris.



Until I see the whole party roster, I can't judge properly. If I see the whole roster and Fenris and the other LI (assuming there are two male LIs, and not three) are the only attractive guys, I'll know.

[Maria Caliban]

Saibh wrote...

LIs are pretty easy to figure out, in past BioWare games. Something may change, but it's been a long time since anyone young and objectively attractive wasn't a LI. I get LI vibes from Fenris.

Until I see the whole party roster, I can't judge properly. If I see the whole roster and Fenris and the other LI (assuming there are two male LIs, and not three) are the only attractive guys, I'll know.

Objectively attractive? The white-haired elf boy is objectively attractive?

[Saibh]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Saibh wrote...

LIs are pretty easy to figure out, in past BioWare games. Something may change, but it's been a long time since anyone young and objectively attractive wasn't a LI. I get LI vibes from Fenris.

Until I see the whole party roster, I can't judge properly. If I see the whole roster and Fenris and the other LI (assuming there are two male LIs, and not three) are the only attractive guys, I'll know.

Objectively attractive? The white-haired elf boy is objectively attractive?

Meaning "I don't think he or she is attractive, but I see that he or she is intended to be," a la Isabela.

Modifié par Saibh, 27 décembre 2010 - 10:34 .

[Maria Caliban]

Conventionally attractive?

[Dr. Doctor]

Fenris looks like he could be an LI, (living weapon + amnesiac + has no friends/family + is on the run from bad guys = LI Fodder)



At least I'd like to have the option to go down the friendship path and help the guy out. After being tortured and hunted down most of his life I think having a genuine friend would help him out more than having a lover

[Lucy Glitter]

^ Heh, I love that calculation.

thebunia wrote...

ankuu wrote...

rooster82? nara/zevran comic? omg!!!

Yes, we all love her. 

 She's so wonderful at comic writing... *sniffs*

YES THIS MUST BE BROUGHT FOUR PAGES FORWARD. 

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 27 décembre 2010 - 11:11 .

[SgtElias]

Collider wrote...

When I first saw Miranda, I thought, "Holy love interest!".

I get the same impression from Fenris.

I did, as well. When my husband and I first saw him, our conversation went something like:

Him: My good gods, he's pretty.
Me: Yeah, he's much too pretty not to be a love interest.
Him: Seriously.

Of course, I could be full of it. Happens all too often these days.

[Calla S]

As much as I think pretty elf is pretty (and I'll probably get the rack for saying this, but oh well), I really hope he's not an LI. Even if a character is attractive, that shouldn't automatically put him in a position to be romanced, so to speak. It'd be refreshing to have a pretty face that just wasn't interested. Frustrating for some, sure, but refreshing. And I imagine it'd work for his character, too, considering David Gaider's writing him.

Plus, I can't get past his tattoos. I don't see how anyone, knowing that they actually hurt him when they're touched, would want to touch him anyway. I'm not condemning any of you for wanting him as your "love slave," but I just couldn't do it. Not knowing it hurt him. When it comes to a Dragon Age romance, there's bound to be a "love scene," and I don't know how I'd feel about having one with him, knowing that contact causes him so much pain.

[Tinxa]

I agree. If he's not a LI I'll eat my hat

He's young and attractive (as in meant to be appealing even if some people don't find him so). I know some people really like Varric but honestly you can guess he's not meant to be a LI from the way he looks. He's a dwarf and an older, gruff looking guy. Like Canderous or Sten - can be viewed as attractive but are not meant to be so.

[HolyJellyfish]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

^ Heh, I love that calculation.

thebunia wrote...

ankuu wrote...

rooster82? nara/zevran comic? omg!!!

Yes, we all love her. 

 She's so wonderful at comic writing... *sniffs*

YES THIS MUST BE BROUGHT FOUR PAGES FORWARD. 

Agreed. I just started reading her comic two weeks ago. It is so beautiful!

[Lucy Glitter]

^ IKR! I am so hooked. I check morning, noon and night for an update

Calla S wrote...

As much as I think pretty elf is pretty (and I'll probably get the rack for saying this, but oh well), I really hope he's not an LI. Even if a character is attractive, that shouldn't automatically put him in a position to be romanced, so to speak. It'd be refreshing to have a pretty face that just wasn't interested. Frustrating for some, sure, but refreshing. And I imagine it'd work for his character, too, considering David Gaider's writing him.

That's the entertainment business, though. I mean, I can understand why you'd want that to make things a bit different but I mean, above all else BioWare is a business that sells HD gaming or whatever you want to call it and they want to mass market this to make it as big as ME2. 

Naturally, pretty boy = LI. It's just how these things work.

I am not saying I think for certain that X will happen, but it's more likely. 

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 27 décembre 2010 - 11:36 .

[Calla S]

Tinxa wrote...
I know some people really like Varric but honestly you can guess he's not meant to be a LI from the way he looks. Like Canderous or Sten - can be viewed as attractive but are not meant to be so.

Really? 'Cause I think it's pretty obvious he was designed to be attractive. He's a charming rogue, of course he's meant to be good-looking. I think people underestimate how difficult it is to make a morph of a hot dwarf in the Toolset. We attempted it in the Varric thread ages ago. Many people tried. No one succeeded. The BW team has outdone themselves with him.

Still, though I think it's pretty obvious where my "loyalties" lie, I wouldn't mind Fenris being an LI. So long as it made sense and wasn't completely sadistic, as it appears to be now.

[Lucy Glitter]

Calla S wrote...
Really? 'Cause I think it's pretty obvious he was designed to be attractive. He's a charming rogue, of course he's meant to be good-looking. 

I guess we will agree to disagree.

I am not a shallow person, but with games I do see them from a business point of view. Varric is a dwarf. I doubt BW would be making a dwarf LI in a game that wants to make huge bucks lest they get negative reviews from retards and then less money. It's just how it is. 

Come on, seriously? I get why people like Varric but I cannot see him being an actual LI. I think that's a pretty unreasonable request for BW. Same sex LIs are officially covered. I can't see them going further.

Like, I honestly cannot see him being romanceable. I really cannot. I think it's too much wishful thinking from the Varric fans to want that. I'd also be pissed if he's announced to not be romanceable and they get upset. You gotta be realistic.

also: "Loyalties lie"? Loyalties to who? Nothing has been announced yet. Honestly this makes me feel like one of those, "Team Jacob/Edward" people. I do not want to feel that. Pretty elf is pretty. Charismatic dwarf is charismatic. Let's not get too ahead of ourselves with this.

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 27 décembre 2010 - 11:42 .

[Calla S]

Edit:  You know what? Nevermind. I'm not even going to try, lmao.

Modifié par Calla S, 27 décembre 2010 - 11:51 .

[kuurankuiskaus]

Methinks they will probably make at least one human LI for FemHawke, and that companion is yet to be revealed (IT'S ANDERS FO SHO...mmmmaybe).

If there's 2 LIs per gender like in Origins, that would leave just one LI status open for Fen & Varric. I think Fen's getting it over Varric (pretty elf is pretty and pretty things need to be poked). To me Varric is best boy friend (not boyfriend) material (based on the little info we have)

[Tinxa]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Calla S wrote...
Really? 'Cause I think it's pretty obvious he was designed to be attractive. He's a charming rogue, of course he's meant to be good-looking. 

I guess we will agree to disagree.

I am not a shallow person, but with games I do see them from a business point of view. Varric is a dwarf. I doubt BW would be making a dwarf LI in a game that wants to make huge bucks lest they get negative reviews from retards and then less money. It's just how it is. 

Come on, seriously? I get why people like Varric but I cannot see him being an actual LI. I think that's a pretty unreasonable request for BW. Same sex LIs are officially covered. I can't see them going further.

Like, I honestly cannot see him being romanceable. I really cannot. I think it's too much wishful thinking from the Varric fans to want that. I'd also be pissed if he's announced to not be romanceable and they get upset. You gotta be realistic.

also: "Loyalties lie"? Loyalties to who? Nothing has been announced yet. Honestly this makes me feel like one of those, "Team Jacob/Edward" people. I do not want to feel that. Pretty elf is pretty. Charismatic dwarf is charismatic. Let's not get too ahead of ourselves with this.

Exactly my thoughts on the subject. i think people got too hung up on the concept art where he looked more attractive than ingame and are still seeing him that way (we still haven't seen a decent closeup of him imo and what we've seen I really couldn't describe as attractive more a face with character).
He looks like the "fun uncle" type of character to me and not really a "charming LI rogue".
And even if he was more attractive he's still a dwarf. As Lucy said that race would be pretty risky one to choose for a LI.

[Lucy Glitter]

^ Mmhmm. 

It's not that I don't want Varric to be an LI, but I am just seeing this from a business perspective. I hope no one takes it as me going, "ELF IS PURDI AND I WANT HIM TO BE ROMANCEABLE IF NOT ILL CRY VARRIC SUCKS."

'Cause I am not.

Calla S wrote...

Edit:  You know what? Nevermind. I'm not even going to try, lmao.

I find myself not knowing how to respond to this. I don't know whether to be insulted or humble about it.

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 27 décembre 2010 - 11:56 .

[Maera Imrov]

Calla S wrote...

Plus, I can't get past his tattoos. I don't see how anyone, knowing that they actually hurt him when they're touched, would want to touch him anyway. I'm not condemning any of you for wanting him as your "love slave," but I just couldn't do it. Not knowing it hurt him. When it comes to a Dragon Age romance, there's bound to be a "love scene," and I don't know how I'd feel about having one with him, knowing that contact causes him so much pain.

Well we've been over this on Gtalk. I would want to romance him, to have a romance that has to think outside of the physical consummation box. You know how I'm more into getting in character's heads and thoughts, and that extends to caring more about motivations and reasonings, and the emotional/'spiritual' side of love, rather than the physical. I think there is a grand potential in Fenris to actually have a LI that is forced -by nature of it hurting like hell when touched- to find alternative means of expressing sensuality and affection.

I'm excited, because I think Bioware could really do something neat with that.

Or they could not, and he could just not be a LI. But if he isn't, I'm not real sure what I'll be doing with my DA2 playthroughs. I'll probably be playing through single.

[Calla S]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Calla S wrote...
Edit:  You know what? Nevermind. I'm not even going to try, lmao.

I find myself not knowing how to respond to this. I don't know whether to be insulted or humble about it.

Probably the former. I bid thee adieu, Fenris thread!

[Lucy Glitter]

Calla S wrote...

Probably the former. I bid thee adieu, Fenris thread!

wtf?

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 27 décembre 2010 - 11:59 .

[Calla S]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Calla S wrote...
Probably the former. I bid thee adieu, Fenris thread!

Good work being reasonable, Calla. No, really. 

I cannot believe you got upset with my comment. Omfg. Seriously? Jesus Christ on Jam...

I am so... just, ugh.

Oh? I had an entire reply typed out and posted. I just figured it needn't be here, as I was wading out into an ocean full of sharks with an open wound.

Nothing unreasonable about recanting my reply and taking my differing opinion elsewhere, out of a fan thread.