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[CulturalGeekGirl]

Found another Fenris song, probably my favorite ever. Perfect for those little three year interludes.

Too Drunk To Dream.

Stephin Merritt Wrote...

I gotta get too drunk to dream, cause dreaming only makes me blue.
I gotta get too drunk to dream, because I only dream of you.
I gotta get too pissed to miss you or I'll never get to sleep.
I gotta drink wine not to pine for you, and God knows that ain't cheap.

I know you think I'm insane, I know it's not appealing,
but till I'm feeling no pain, guess what I'll be feeling.

I gotta get too drunk to dream, cause dreaming only makes me blue.
I gotta get too drunk to dream, because I only dream of you.
I gotta get too fried to cry or I'll be crying all night long.
I gotta get too high to sigh.  Oh my god, where did I go wrong?

So why do I get plastered, and why am I so lonely?
It's you, you heartless bastard.  You're my one and only.

I gotta get too drunk to dream, cause dreaming only makes me blue.
I gotta get too drunk to dream, because I only dream of you.
I gotta get too pissed to miss you or I'll never get to sleep.
I gotta drink wine not to pine for you, and God knows that ain't cheap.
And God knows that ain't cheap.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 12 juin 2011 - 11:44 .

[Noir_Skye]

metalgirl-1 wrote...

Cawti35 wrote...

Madame Rose Crimsynn wrote...

@Cawti

Oh, so Hawke and Fenris are going to have little mage babies!

...

I am so going to some low level of Hell for that being the first thing to come to mind.

I always hope that Hawke and Feris have children.  I squirm at the hardships faced by half-elves though.   I find it it interesting that he flirts with Isabela as it seems  implied during the Ravaini talisman quest that she is infertile.

I always hoped my Hawke and Fenris would have kids too, but I always wondered how Fenris would be as a father if their kids turned out to be mages. It's really likely b/c my Hawke's a mage, Bethany's a mage and Varania is a mage. I think he'd be a very strict and over-protective father if their kids were mages. Especially if they had a mage daughter. Oh god I feel sorry for that kid. XD  

One of the things that got me really excited about DA 2 was the thought that we were going to get to spend ten years with our character, Hawke.   I thought that  maybe we would have a happy ending option at the end of the game that  you and your LI would have a child.  There was a happy ending option in DA:O  along with sacrifice and not so happy ending.

All of my Hawkes are mages.   Their child would more likely than not be a mage.  I want a son for my Hawke and Fenris. ( He would be way to protective of a girl.)   Hawke would learn arcane warrior from the Warden or Anders from somewhere. Hawke and Fenris would teach that school of magic to their son and that lost magical art would be given new life.  Well, that what would happen in my world anyway.

Modifié par Noir_Skye, 12 juin 2011 - 11:48 .

[Arquen]

 I can't see Fenris or Hawke as parents honestly. Although, that is colored by personal bias because I really do not like children, LOL. Seriously though I just like thinking of Hawke and Fenris' relationship for what it is and not go into that whole marriage, family, kids future talk.
Honestly they have a hard enough time existing right now as it is. I don't see them ever really being settled and content people living in a house with a white picket fence, children and all that. To me they have always been independent characters who would just enjoy living and being together. I don't know when I see them in my head I just don't see kids and family. I just see them together, happy to be with eachother.
As for the song.. couldn't find that exact one, and all the ones I were finding were country, bleh. Honestly for as much as Fenris' is portrayed as a drinker in his cut scenes I don't think he sits around getting drunk all the time and pining for Hawke.
Oh and for all those Fenris' family people:

by Purple_Meow on DA
AND



by a*m*b*e*r*w*o*l*f* on DA

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Fixed the link. Curse you, bioware formatting gods!

Honestly, out of all the relationships in DAII, I think the Fenris/Hawke one is the most likely to produce children if you want them. Merril too, I suppose, but I see her as too committed to her cause to stop for a family. Isabella doesn't seem the type, and Anders has been a Warden for 10-12 years now. Fenris wants a home and with a home could come children, though I'm pretty sure he'd let Hawke steer that ship.

That's the problem I always have with these debates... a lot of people want kids and a lot of people don't, so putting that in any ending rather than leaving it up to fic/implications/player choice is basically kicking an anthill.

Man, Fenris's drinking is one of my favorite things about him. I don't see him being that way for the entire three years, of course, but I can sort of see him being morose and drunken occassionally. Why do I find that idea so adorable? I cannot say.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 12 juin 2011 - 11:54 .

[Arquen]

Agreed there about the kicking the anthill. Its pretty much been canon that Isabela is sterile, but Merrill could definitely be an option for a "family friendly" LI.

Alistair is a warden but he wanted to try for an heir with Anora. He wasn't sure it was possible with the taint, but who knows. I think Anders is a little to messed up after DA2 to even consider having children although you can run away with him yet still a dangerous life not really kid centered.

Fenris wants a place to belong but he is a long way from thinking about kids, etc. I think. He is just now finding out what freedom means and so I think he and Hawke would want to focus on that first before settling down into a family. Still, he is a good choice because he at least can (as far as we know) and wants a home (which may lead to family in the future).

[ReiSilver]

I find myself in a happy minority since my Fenris romancing Hawke is male and I'm not a fan of the idea of having kids: win-win XD
I could totally see Marric Hawke baby sitting Aveline's hypothetical kids though and convincing Fenris to help him.

[Patchwork]

Meh to each their own. In my head canon Fenris and my mage eventually have kids. It's not easy or perfect, life never is, but becoming a family and raising children is what was next for them.

[tankgirly]

Somehow I've never imagine them having children. Humph...

[NugWrangler]

I thought it might be cool if Hawke could adopt a kid. If the kid had a known background and appearance it may be able to show up in future DA games. It would also give same sex couples or single Hawkes a shot at parenthood.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

The thing about Hawkes/Shepards/Wardens is that they're all so unique based on how you play them. The story invites you to imprint them with a personality beyond what can be expressed by the limited dialogue choices, and this is even more true in a story like Dragon Age, where you get times changing and time passing.

Lir Hawke is ambivalent toward kids. She's more focused on becoming a major religious leader and massively reforming the Chantry. Still, if she got pregnant she'd just chalk it up to fate and make it part of her story.

Mira is all for babies. So many babies. Four hundred babies. (she's also, oddly enough, my main Fen romance.)

Crow thinks that babies are something that happens to other people. She just wants a harem and more money than she knows what to do with.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 13 juin 2011 - 02:10 .

[Arquen]

It's true, thats what is so great about DA2 - you can make your Hawke however YOU want. You can even make Hawke's different than anything you would want to be.

My rival-everyone F' you all playthrough I almost couldn't complete because EVERYONE hated me. Varric spread rumors that I was going to burn down the Chantry >.<. Anders called me "everything he hates," and tried to recite his manifesto to me. Aveline punched/fought damn near killed me. Merrill kicked me out of her house more times than I can remember. Sebastian was all high and mighty hatey pants. Isabela was all F' you goody two shoes your boring and I hate you. Fenris was about the only sane one, and that's just because I rivalmanced him.

Yet that is the point, right.. to each their own. If people want to RP that Hawke and Fenris go on and run away together and make 400 babies!!! then that is their right. I love it

[CuzImShort]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
Honestly, out of all the relationships in DAII, I think the Fenris/Hawke one is the most likely to produce children if you want them.

Chiming in, cuz I absolutely agree with you. I got the impression from Fenris that he wouldn't mind settling down and has a deep appreciation for family. If Fenris kills Varania, he heartbreakingly states before he kills her, "I would have given you everything." When I first heard this, it took me for surprise to hear him so... torn up. We've heard Fenris angry, snide, rude, amused, flirty, friendly, and romantic... but at that moment, that was the rarest emotion I saw him display. It seemed like he was looking forward to having his sister become a part of his life. For him to tell someone he would have given them everything... that speaks loads. I mean... he's an escaped elven slave squatting in an abandoned mansion with a lunatic magister hunting him... what could he offer? Yet he told Varania he would have given(or I guess tried to) her everything. He didn't even say that for Hawke, prior to this. 

Another indication of his feelings on family is his treatment of Merrill. Part of the reason he hates Merrill is due to her leaving her clan behind to fix her mirror.

Fenris: Avert your eyes, witch.
Merrill: You said I was dwelling on "useless" history, but what are you doing?
Merrill: The past is important, to you and to all of us. We must know it to move forward.
Fenris: Yet I have made no deal with a demon to learn of my past.
Fenris: You had a life. You had a family. And you abandoned them to chase after ghosts.
Fenris: We are nothing alike. Don't even begin to think that we are.

Merrill had almost everything Fenris had ever lost, but what strikes me the hardest is the family part. She had a clan that loved her and she would have been, one day, responsible for. In return, they would have defended her to their last breaths. Fenris's memories his were stripped away from him. If he had stayed unaware of them, that wouldn't be so hard, but he became aware of what he once had. I can't imagine how it feels like to know you once had a family and their very memory taken away from you. To be aware of something so important, lost and might never be able to reclaim... I'd rather still have the amnesia. Going back to Merrill, it isn't a surprise why he dislikes her so much. She had a clan, yet she traded it all away to become a demon's pawn(not that she knew... exactly.)

I think Fenris wouldn't mind having/raising a family with Hawke if that would ever to occure. Fenris in his slave days or on the run, would have probably written that possibility off, as he never even dreamed of freedom until encountering the Fog warriors or had allowed anyone to grow close enough to until meeting Hawke. But, now that he's complety free(of Danerious, at least), found someone he loves and loves him back, why not? With Hawke, he could have a chance to having something he probably thought was beyond his reach. I think that, for me at least, that's the beauty of adding a family into the list of possibilities for him(and Hawke). 

To sum up... Fenris + Hawke + Fawke!Spawn = <3

Modifié par CuzImShort, 13 juin 2011 - 03:07 .

[Arquen]

I think Fenris' wish with Varania was to have someone. Some kind of "family." He had never even had a friend before Hawke, and the possibility of having a sister was to much for him to pass up. He is an outsider looking in to what a "family" might be and feel like.

That part with Varania rips me up. There is a second right after he kills her where a flash of what looks like regret comes to his face. That whole scene is so well done, Fenris' facial expressions just nail it. Still, to me finding someone to call your family and actually creating a family are very different things. I guess I just can't see Fenris as a father. He is so adorably naive when it comes to emotions and social graces that I can't help thinking its going to take a long time before he is ready for fatherhood. If ever. Like I said I love to focus on the relationship Hawke and Fenris have at the end of the game with all the struggles that is going to entail. Marriage and Family, bleh.. I just want them to be in love.

Still, I think after Varania Hawke really does become his "family," and even moreso if you romance him. It's why it breaks my heart if he turns on you in the end to side with the Templars. That line "I should have known... first rule of survival." I couldn't do it. I couldn't stand it if he turned on me like that. I would feel so guilty for letting him down like that, and not convincing him that there are more important things in the world than mages and templars.

[Sarielle]

Arquen wrote...
I would feel so guilty for letting him down like that, and not convincing him that there are more important things in the world than mages and templars.

That was my first playthough. Imo he's the one who lets Hawke down, though, not the other way around My girl was a moderate mage -- not squeaky clean, but a decent person. That he couldn't get over his bias and would rather attack her wasn't a failing on her part, but his.

Again, this is my interpretation.

[CuzImShort]

Regarding Varania, one of things that hits me during their meeting is Fenris recalling a long lost memory, how there is hesitance, slight longing, and faint affection in his voice. (Gideon Emery just nails every line sooo well.) It leads me to believe that he didn't want to just have someone. I really believe he wanted his family, reclaim just a bit of what remains of his past, and start building from there. He might be an outsider in terms of lack of family experience or memory, but that doesn't stop him from presuming much, it seems. There is another conversation with him, the one that occurs right after he's recruited. He seemed a little perturbed with a Hawke that acts nonchalant about leaving Ferelden. Hawke can mention their deceased sibling and he'll say something along the lines of, "So that's it? Blah blah their deaths mean nothing to you?(or something similar, I can't check my game right now)" and he eventually say something along the lines of Hawke should want something more. I was even kinda surprised when I found out he favored Hawke encouraging Charade to meet Gamlen over acquiring a rare gem. Really? The same Fenris that favored blackmailing Thrask? I kinda assumed he didn't care or thought much of Gamlen to support his long lost daughter meeting him. I feel like I'm digressing... sorry, long work weekend.

While I agree that it would take some time for Fenris to be ready for fatherhood, but there is a saying that goes something like, 'a man doesn't become a father until the moment he sees his child.' For some reason, I can see Fenris applying to this. Him being kind of adorably clueless as Hawke kinda takes the reigns and helps guide him and adjust; very obvious-new-dad-like. Afterwards, becoming a very protective and affectionate father. Of course, this fits with my main Hawke and his relationship, personally. I have it in my head that my Hawke and he become parents unexpectedly some time after the dust settles, after escaping Kirkwall. So it's probably why I adore the thought of clueless daddy!Fenris. >xD

I need to sleep...

[Dr. Doctor]

So, I started yet another playthrough where I had Bethany in the party during the entierty of Act I. Actually hearing her banter with party members other than Hawke made me appreciate her as a character a lot more. She likes the idea of going to the Circle because she doesn't like how other people have risked/sacrificed their freedoms for her

Now this whole thing with Bethany to me relates to Varania. She and her mother had freedom handed to them by Fenris with from what we can tell little to no attention to their feelings about the whole thing. People tend to like sticking to what is familiar and I get the feeling that Varania held some resentment for having freedom forced upon her.

On another note. After going though DA2 with what is now a total of ten Hawkes I find myself wanting to have Hawke as a party member in whatever the next DA game is. There's quite a bit that I want to know about Hawke's backstory and character that just can't be done with him/her as the PC. With the personality based on dialogue and the fact that the game tracks all of your major decisions I think this would be entirely possible.

[Arquen]

I agree about Varania and wanting to reclaim that family. Especially after Hadrianna telling him about his sister, his memories coming back, and then him going through all that to find Varania. Also agreed about the memory he has. That sense of nostalgia and longing. Its like all he wants is to reclaim his family. The point I was making is that because deep down Fenris always wanted "someone," and found Hawke. Then he finds out about his sister, and suddenly a chance to have a real family presents itself. Something he never thought he could have. Then, it all gets ripped away from him. He's so devastated.. it's heartbreaking.

Yet, still wanting that family and to actually make a family are different things to me. Reclaiming a past and building a future with Varania was something Fenris held out against hope for. He even knew or at least assumed it was a trap, but that moment he just sees it all happening finally. Then the truth of the trap becomes obvious and its ripped away again. So sad. However, to think of Fenris actually wanting to settle down with Hawke and make babies just seems so crazy to me, lol. Fenris would definitely be an awkward father. He has a lot of issues to work through first. Him and Hawke both. I guess that's why I can't really see it.

As far as Bethany: I love Bethany in the party. Though Carver is my favorite sibling. He's so adorkable. However, Bethany really has great insight different than the "average" apostate view we get from Anders and even Hawke. She goes to the circle even and doesn't hate it, but doesn't pretend it is lollypops and sunshine either. She is really selfless and she idolizes Hawke to no end. However, I never compared her to Varania. She had her family and her sister and brother and mother. They just don't come from the same place to me. Such different lives, and they were "free" before the blight even. More free than Varania ever was for sure. I do agree Varania holds resentment though. She practically turns her resentment into hate toward Fenris and his sacrifice. Even jealously - the whole "you got the better deal." Yet I don't see her and Bethany on the same field at all. Interesting comparison though.

I'm working on my 6th playthrough atm, and not romancing Fenris. Playing a dude Hawke (first one), and romancing Isabela . It's killing me a little to not romance my Fenris though, LOL.

[tankgirly]

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Modifié par tankgirly, 13 juin 2011 - 05:47 .

[Arquen]

"but I can't read sir.." LMAO -- that is fantastic.

[Patchwork]

"Stop running in circles Hawke!" LMAO so true

[tankgirly]

Ser Bard wrote...

"Stop running in circles Hawke!" LMAO so true

That's exactly what I do, when I am rouge/mage. I only dare to attack the Arishok head on when I am a warrior.

[Meeszy Alexy]

On Fenris being a father... am I the only one who's a little scared of that idea? I mean... what if he and Hawke had a girl? And then that girl gets her first boyfriend, and then she introduces her boyfriend to her parents... Fenris would have that boy running for the hills.

Edit: Also, it would be worse if the boyfriend was a mage as well.... I can see Fenris shoving the kid against a wall, warning him of what fate the mage will suffer if he even tries to become an abomination/a blood mage.

Modifié par Meeszy Alexy, 13 juin 2011 - 12:39 .

[Cawti35]

This is the first forum in which I have actively participated, so if I break the unwritten rules, correct me.  I did not mean to imply that my version of the Hawke/Fenris relationship was the only one.  I love that the Dragon Age series allows for so much persoanl choice.  I read other people 's posts and stories because I enjoy being exposed to different takes on the game and its characters.

Please note, I never said that I only pictured Hawke and Fenris having children as a 'happy' ending. I am more intrigued by the idea of what kind people their offspring would grow up to be. The half elves in the game interest me and the Hawke/Fenris relationship just sends my mind in that direction.  I guess I picture it as a bit like Hawke's family, a lot of sacrifice and struggle, but not without reward.

Modifié par Cawti35, 13 juin 2011 - 12:53 .

[Madame Rose Crimsynn]

Meeszy Alexy wrote...

On Fenris being a father... am I the only one who's a little scared of that idea? I mean... what if he and Hawke had a girl? And then that girl gets her first boyfriend, and then she introduces her boyfriend to her parents... Fenris would have that boy running for the hills.

Edit: Also, it would be worse if the boyfriend was a mage as well.... I can see Fenris shoving the kid against a wall, warning him of what fate the mage will suffer if he even tries to become an abomination/a blood mage.

I don't even think they'd get that far. Sort of Fenris would be standing in the doorway with his arms crossed with the greatsword (recently sharpened, mind you ) nearby as Little!LadyHawke and her boyfriend went to walk in the door.

They probably wouldn't get into the house without Fenris sending the kid for this hills.

[AmuHav]

I hope its not too late to add some songs I have in my Fenris Playlist?

Imogen Heap - Headlock
Imogen Heap - The Moment I Said It

I've been on an Imogen Heap fix for a while now, but unfortunately she's not very well heard of Headlock reminds me of Hawke n Fen's romance in general, whilst The Moment I Said It reminds me of when Fen leaves, and I can totally imagine Hawkie begging him not to go

Breaking Benjamin - Fade Away
Breaking Benjamin - Give me a sign
The lyrics of this one really remind me of Fen for some reason ^^;; whilst the second one makes me think of Hawke sadly watching Fen after he leaves, wanting to help, but not sure how, if that makes sense?

I have more, but meh. Any way, totally understand if no one agrees with any of these, just thought I'd share :3 x