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[CulturalGeekGirl]

Arquen wrote...

 I'll just leave this here....



I need to stop browsing Tumblr -- MY POOR VIRGIN EYES XD. 

This is by enerjak on DA

This is pretty much exactly what I pictured when I heard that banter for the first time.

[Ritara]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Arquen wrote...

 I'll just leave this here....



I need to stop browsing Tumblr -- MY POOR VIRGIN EYES XD. 

This is by enerjak on DA

This is pretty much exactly what I pictured when I heard that banter for the first time.

OMG this is so lol...amazing

[Meeszy Alexy]

^ My eyes hurt from the awesome.

[Annarl]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I have an odd question, Fenris thread.

I just finished a Fenris romance, and my next character is going to be one of my "torn between caring about pretty much everyone" characters. Here's my conundrum.

I'm definitely befriending him, and eventually triggering the "command me to go and I shall" scene. I just can't figure out what is better for Fenris - should my Hawke realize that things aren't going to work out between them, and tell him to go, or go through with the romance and move on after?

This Hawke is one who would have stayed with Fenris if not for the three years. In my headcanon, if they hook up, she'll probably spend about six months trying to get him to talk before giving up. I'm not sure if there are enough warning signs to allow her to make the "we shouldn't do this" judgment call, and I don't know whether having that night is better or worse for Fenris in the long run.

Opinions?

It's funny. I always think things over, like this, and when I start to play the game the character I'm roleplaying seems to take over.  And in the end do things I did not intend for them to do when I started playing.  Now that's strange:o.  So I guess I would say, Relax and play it by ear. Let how the game unfolds help you make the decision.  But in general I think working through his issues will make Fenris a "wholer" person.

[Dr. Doctor]

On a Fenris-related note putting points into Vanguard turns our shiny elf into a one-man killing machine. Keeping Might active and setting Fenris' tactics to engage Cleave and Assail when his target has heavy armor can deal massive amounts of damage.

Using Mighty Blow with those abillities engaged will do 695% more damage than a basic attack and if the target is made brittle by Petrify, Winter's Grasp, or Cone of Cold the damage dealt is 995% greater than a regular attack.

As an example using Fenris with the Blade of Mercy: (56 DPS base)  (Might, Cleave, and Assail active)

Basic Attack  = 109 DPS

Mighty Blow vs. Non-Brittle = 389.2 DPS

Mighty Blow vs. Brittle = 557.2 DPS

 

[Meeszy Alexy]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

On a Fenris-related note putting points into Vanguard turns our shiny elf into a one-man killing machine. Keeping Might active and setting Fenris' tactics to engage Cleave and Assail when his target has heavy armor can deal massive amounts of damage.

Using Mighty Blow with those abillities engaged will do 695% more damage than a basic attack and if the target is made brittle by Petrify, Winter's Grasp, or Cone of Cold the damage dealt is 995% greater than a regular attack.

As an example using Fenris with the Blade of Mercy: (56 DPS base)  (Might, Cleave, and Assail active)

Basic Attack  = 109 DPS

Mighty Blow vs. Non-Brittle = 389.2 DPS

Mighty Blow vs. Brittle = 557.2 DPS

 

*writes these down for future reference*

[Patriciachr34]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I have an odd question, Fenris thread.

I just finished a Fenris romance, and my next character is going to be one of my "torn between caring about pretty much everyone" characters. Here's my conundrum.

I'm definitely befriending him, and eventually triggering the "command me to go and I shall" scene. I just can't figure out what is better for Fenris - should my Hawke realize that things aren't going to work out between them, and tell him to go, or go through with the romance and move on after?

This Hawke is one who would have stayed with Fenris if not for the three years. In my headcanon, if they hook up, she'll probably spend about six months trying to get him to talk before giving up. I'm not sure if there are enough warning signs to allow her to make the "we shouldn't do this" judgment call, and I don't know whether having that night is better or worse for Fenris in the long run.

Opinions?

I kind of just went through that with my current play through.  She had glowy time with Fenris who then walked away an emotional mess.  So, she decided to hook up with Anders becasue he reminded her a lot of her father and she really missed her father.  Everything was pretty much cool until Anders arrived and called Fenris a "beast".  My character flipped.  That's when she realized Fen was worth waiting for.  "Bye-bye Anders.  Don't let the door hit you on the way out.":devil:

Edit: Should have put, "Insensetive Pratt!"  somewhere in this post.

Modifié par Patriciachr34, 15 juin 2011 - 07:59 .

[Tealsie]

Patriciachr34 wrote...

Edit: Should have put, "Insensetive Pratt!"  somewhere in this post.

Anders: Hopefully we'll find more than just a pile of bones this time!

Hawke: ... ....

Oh, Anders... that lack of tact and sensitivity would make more sense(and be more forgivable) if you were an ex-slave suffering from amnesia.  Fenris at least has the grace to be all unsure and careful about emotional things.

[Patriciachr34]

Yeah, I know. Oddly enough, as physically attractive as Anders was in Awakenings he was just not, I don't know, right. I think Justice kind of brought to the surface what Anders was hiding behind charm and snark. At least Fenris is honest about how he feels. I truly appreciate this. Now that I think about it, as much as Anders descends into chaos in DA2, Fenris rises from chaos. I prefer the later. I will have to admit that sometimes, Fenris can be really harsh, especially around Merrill.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

The few times when Anders is really mean about Fenris-related things are the times it is most difficult for me to like him. I keep wanting to say "You idiot, you guys have essentially the same backstory... minus the whole spirit thing... and if you would just sit down with him and rationally compare notes one night we could get past all this male posturing and find some common ground. Yes, I know you used to be a horrible Tevinter fanboy, but now is not the time or the place for that."

The fact that I can't just lock the three of us in a room with Isabella and a full bar until either everyone kills everyone, everyone starts being reasonable, or something magical happens, is profoundly frustrating.

Though I would argue that amnesiac slave and abuse survivor with PTSD are pretty equivalently acceptable excuses for a poor attitude.

[Patriciachr34]

@CulturalGeekGirl...I agree with you on this.

[DreamerM]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

The few times when Anders is really mean about Fenris-related things are the times it is most difficult for me to like him. I keep wanting to say "You idiot, you guys have essentially the same backstory... minus the whole spirit thing... and if you would just sit down with him and rationally compare notes one night we could get past all this male posturing and find some common ground. Yes, I know you used to be a horrible Tevinter fanboy, but now is not the time or the place for that."

I feel the same way when Fenris starts going on about how magic makes everything it touches just suck so much. "It's not the magic that sucks, it's the PEOPLE that suck. As long as magic is an arbitrary fact of life, then there's gonna be good and bad people using it for whatever ends.  Besides, something tells me that even without the Magister's magical powers, they would STILL be finding ways to oppress and slaughter those they consider inferior for whatever reason. If there's one thing people are good at, it's finding new and more colorful ways of making each-other miserable. Short of finding some way to ensure that nobody is ever born with magic ever again, I think we have to make the best of things as they are."

And Anders gets an ass-kicking every time he even kind-of implies that he thinks slavery might be a good/justified/ok/not-horrible thing. That is not a threat, it's a warning.

[Patriciachr34]

It's just that Fenris can be reasoned with and will admit when he is wrong (both the fade scene and his reconciliation speech in Act3). Anders will not admit he is wrong and gets offended at everyone who does not hold his point of view. He is so blinded by his own obssesion that he can't be reasoned with. At least Fenris knows and admits that his perspective is colored by his experiences in Tevinter.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Patriciachr34 wrote...

It's just that Fenris can be reasoned with and will admit when he is wrong (both the fade scene and his reconciliation speech in Act3). Anders will not admit he is wrong and gets offended at everyone who does not hold his point of view. He is so blinded by his own obssesion that he can't be reasoned with. At least Fenris knows and admits that his perspective is colored by his experiences in Tevinter.

Well, it's sort of apples and oranges there.

Anders won't admit that he shouldn't be allowed his freedom. Neither will Fenris. Anders will relent a bit if you argue that there are some good templars, or that there may be a reasonable way to solve things... until life convinces him otherwise. But both men are stalwartly unwavering on the idea that they, personally, should be allowed to be free. Anders just expands that to the idea that others like him should be free as well. Fenris does this as well, but he's just not as adamant about it.

Anders doesn't change his stance on freedom no matter how reasonable you are, but Fenris doesn't change his opinion on slavery either. His feelings on mages are a secondary agenda, not his primary one... which is the belief that he, personally, is not a slave anymore and should have freedom, and that slavery in general is bad. I don't think Fenris ever says "no, you're right. Slavery is good in some cases."

What bothers me is that Anders, who knows all about speaking and writing and negotiating, doesn't use their shared hatred of oppression to establish common ground, saying "if what you say is true, and all magisters use blood magic and keep slaves, then yes, they are all bad. Slavery is inherently wrong. If there are some that do not do such things, they should be spared, but I will defer to your experience in this case." It's not about him being more unwavering than Fenris, it's about me understanding Fenris not having the tools to discuss or negotiate, whereas Anders clearly does. That's why he should make the first move, rhetorically.

[Dr. Doctor]

Storywise having Anders and Fenris bickering makes me wish Hawke could threaten to just turn the party around and go home.

....But Anders is the only healer, and after choosing the option to have him leave after 'Dissent' Having Fenris in my party became difficult. (I was playing as a rogue) Merrill is a straight-up destructo-mage and using potions stops Fenris from dishing out the pain for a turn.

[Giggles_Manically]

I really dont need a healer I found in DA2.

With the proper build my party of:
Sword and Shield Hawke, Merrill, Fenris, and Sebastian leaves nothing alive really.

[Patriciachr34]

@Dr. Doctor LOL! If you think that's bad, have Anders in the party with Aveline in the first act. Anders made some pretty explicit comments about templars in the party banter. Both Aveline and I were shocked to say the least.

[Arquen]

I must be masochistic in some way because I adore the banter/rivalry between Anders/Fenris. I usually bring both of them along because it amuses me to listen to them.

I also agree that if you just let them hash it out they would be the better for it. Then again it might go to blows, LOL.

The only time I am really annoyed is Anders in act 3. He is just so determined to get everyone to side with him that he becomes a complete jerk. Not only to Fenris but also to every other party member. Especially the conversation with Isabela:

Anders: I can't believe you're still not taking sides.
Isabela: I told you, I only like to be on top.
Anders: I mean against the templars! You like freedom, right? You hate slavery.
Anders: Why wouldn't you side with the mages?
Isabela: Maybe I just don't like you.

Also the one Patricia was talking about:

Anders: So you married a templar, huh?
Aveline: What of it?
Anders: Are they all as dirty as they seem?
Aveline: What?
Anders: Did he ever ask you to play “the naughty mage and the helpless recruit?” Maybe the “secret desire demon and the upstanding knight?”
Aveline: That's disgusting!
Anders: I hear it's quite popular.

Fenris harping on magic doesn't bother me so much. I interpret it as his personal rage at magisters and Tevinter and magic in general. I mostly just roll my eyes and go "yeah yeah I know I know..." It also doesn't help that every time Fenris actually speaks up about magic spoiling things it is because ... magic spoiled something. I especially love how when you help grace and the others with Decimus Fenris goes "you sure about this?" -- I'm all "nope they are going to betray me and F' stuff up but you know, everyone deserves a shot right?"

I also love the friend convo after killing Fenris in the fade where my Hawke goes "everyone gets one free demonic possession before I kill them." Fenris goes "good to know...." Cracks me up every time.

[ReiSilver]

I tend to blame Justice for Anders being... well more self-righteous and not able to understand/accept people not agreeing with him. Considering his conversations with Nathaniel he was more likely to try and explain similarities "Everyone hates your family for something terrible they did even though you weren't involved!" even when Nathaniel shuts the metaphor down he just seems to give up with "Kind of missing my point aren't you? Fine, fine, your loss." and when other characters probe subjects he doesn't want to talk about he deflects it with humour. Justice on the other hand gets stuck at the 'this is not right, why can't you see? It's so simple! This is wrong and we should do something.' type dialogues with Anders and Velanna
Anders will freely admit some mages do bad things in the Howe metaphor yet in DA2 (if you're not romancing him) his response to Leandra's death is "I can't believe a mage would do such a thing." Really Anders?

I would have loved to see Fenris interact with more easy-going-flippant Awakening Anders. I'm betting they still would have fought but Anders might have been able to make Fenris laugh, which I would pay to see.

[Tealsie]

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[Arquen]

DAA Anders and Fenris would get along hilariously I think. I believe it would be more like the relationship Fenris has with Sebastian, and they would just banter back and forth. Hilarity would ensue. DAA to me would be more willing to seek common ground.

Couldn't you just see this going down between Anders and Fenris:

Anders: Perhaps one day we could sit down to discuss magic?
Velanna: What would that accomplish?
Anders: Lots? Great civilizations are built on the sharing of ideas.
Velanna: Sharing? You mean stealing, of course. Followed by crushing those you stole from.
Anders: You know that chip on your shoulder? I think it has replaced your head.

Other than the fact that Velanna was a mage and so they had magic in common. I could totally see Anders being all "sooo.. Fenris... about that magic..."

[ReiSilver]

Arquen wrote...

DAA Anders and Fenris would get along hilariously I think. I believe it would be more like the relationship Fenris has with Sebastian, and they would just banter back and forth. Hilarity would ensue. DAA to me would be more willing to seek common ground.

Couldn't you just see this going down between Anders and Fenris:

Anders: Perhaps one day we could sit down to discuss magic?
Velanna: What would that accomplish?
Anders: Lots? Great civilizations are built on the sharing of ideas.
Velanna: Sharing? You mean stealing, of course. Followed by crushing those you stole from.
Anders: You know that chip on your shoulder? I think it has replaced your head.

Other than the fact that Velanna was a mage and so they had magic in common. I could totally see Anders being all "sooo.. Fenris... about that magic..."

I just thought of this:

Anders: Surely there are some mages in Tevinter who aren't monsters
Fenris: From experience it's only a matter of time before any mage finds an excuse to commit atrocities for the sake of power.
Anders: Maybe they just need pets? Aren't there any cats in Tevinter?
Fenris: The Magisters consider people their pets. They're called slaves
Anders: And yet somehow I can't see you curling up in my lap and purring

and then my head explodes

[Dr. Doctor]

The Hanged Man

Anders: Tevinter can't be that bad.

Fenris: Well then why don't you go there and leave me alone?

Anders: You know you could at least be civil.

Fenris: Civility? From you? I've yet to see that.

Anders: I could say the same for you. You're no better than a trained beast.

Fenris: I'm warning you mage. Choose your next words with exceptional care.

Isabela: (sighs) That's it! I've had it with the two of you! Maker, you're worse then two sailors bickering over some harlot. We are going to settle this once and for all. Drop them.

Fenris: What?

Isabela: Your pants. Drop them.

Anders: Why in the Maker's name would we do that?

Isabela: Because you're men. And despite how opinionated the two of you think you are we all know the real issue. So drop them and get it out in the open so we can move on with our lives.

Anders: I am not doing that.

Fenris: Nor am I.

Isabela: Well then if you two would rather not deal with the issue I suggest you both shut up and let me get back to my drinking.

Modifié par Dr. Doctor, 16 juin 2011 - 04:30 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Hawke: (whispers) I can answer that one for you, Isabela. Meet me and Merril later, I have stories.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 16 juin 2011 - 04:31 .

[tankgirly]

Tealsie wrote...

Pardon a quick pic in the middle of discussions, since everyone loves louvette...


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