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[CulturalGeekGirl]

The interesting thing about Fenris is that he's not on a... crusade to do anything but make his own life. He hates mages, but not in a way that makes him go after them in his spare time or anything. He hates slavery and is happy when you end it, but he's not planning on going back to Tevinter to pull a Shartan. He doesn't even seem to have the default impulses to reach out to someone who is in need... which I don't fault him for, because he hasn't had the circumstances to develop them.

Hmm, I just read that short story. Some good insights there.

Fenris doesn't realize that he's been gifted with exceptional abilities in his own way. He also has a very narrow idea of what "freedom" or "success" or a "good life" mean... all based on what he observed the magisters enjoying in Tevinter. He can't imagine the Dalish life being a happy one. Nobody can, because from the outside, I'm sure it seems like it sucks. It's really hard to sell the Dalish lifestyle to someone who hasn't been raised in it, or someone who has somewhere else to go. And that's why they don't go sneaking into alienages to recruit... because the life would probably not be ideal for anyone who wouldn't seek it out. (I'm still of the opinion that the Dalish live better than anyone but the nobility, but I'm not going to try to convince a man who considers what we do "picking for scraps" of that. It'd be like convincing a herring that the land is the best!)

But anyway, Dalish aside, I wonder if it's possible to teach Fenris to think like that... to look at someone else, and figure out how they got into a particular situation, and imagine what he might do in the same place. It's something a great many people raised free are ultimately incapable of, and Fenris doesn't have the requisite emotional background.

[Arquen]

Fenris comes from a place where he lived hour to hour for someone else. His capacity for empathy especially to strangers is hindered especially by his anger and need for vengeance. He has great capacity for empathy but reserves it only for people he respects. If you don't earn respect he could care less about your plight or existance. I think he always had the ability to put himself in other people's shoes but he only goes so far as to say "that isn't something I would do. Not anymore." He's basically disgusted with city elves and dalish for different reasons, but I think he knows what they suffer and understands it yet personalizes it to say "that's not me or what I would do." He isn't someone who steps in for strangers because he trusts nobody. People are out for themselves and that is how he treats everyone until proven otherwise.

[DreamerM]

Fenris might lack the immediate signs of compassion and empathy, but this might be less about him being incapable of these emotions and more about his amnesia costing him his emotional and psychological development from Before the Markings.

We know that Fenris competed for the markings, and used the boon that came with them to free his mother and sister. This shows, if not compassion, then at least a strong sense of duty and an urge to protect and make things better for his family. It also shows that even pre-marking Fenris valued freedom enough to go to a lot of trouble to secure it for his family. Which makes the brain-washing that wiped his memory and turned him "docile" all the more tragic.

Prompt!
(In my Head!Canon, Fenris's lyrium markings are more powerful then they are in-game)
(Very early in the game)

Hawke: Hey, Fenris? Those markings of yours....
Fenris: Yes?
Hawke: They let you phase though solid objects. Like people...or walls...or bars.
Fenris: Yes...
Hawke: I've seen you do it!
Fenris: Is there a point to this?
Hawke: How, in Andraste's name, did the Tevinter keep you? It sounds to me like you could have just walked the hell out, any time you wanted!
Fenris: ... You have never been a slave. Yes, I could leave, but here would I go? They took all my desires when they took my memories. I knew nothing but serving my master.
Hawke: But you changed. You left.
Fenris: Eventually.
Hawke: ...Tell me the story someday?
Fenris: Maybe.

Modifié par DreamerM, 23 juin 2011 - 08:19 .

[Arquen]

Lmao fenris is really kitty pride >.>

That thought came to me before as well like how far can the phasing go. I don't think it lasts long enough or has enough potency to make his whole body phase, but that would be something. Maybe his powers can be trained further so in time he could do this. However, for now I don't think he can focus it for that long.

[DreamerM]

Arquen wrote...

Lmao fenris is really kitty pride >.>

Hey, Kitty Pryde pwned. Without her we would have no Buffy. And the world would be the poorer for it.

[Arquen]

Listening to his voicepack I found "beware trap ahead." If he can detect traps why can't he pick locks . I mean he could just totally phase through them. This has come up before, doc even did a prompt on it but I would find it hilarious if he actually phased locks lol.

[DreamerM]

Maybe he could phase his hand though the door and unlock it from the other side.

I think anyone can detect traps if you raise their cunning high enough. It just takes a rogue to disable them.

[Arquen]

Hawke: finally, some peace and quiet. Now I can get to my journal with no distractions!

(Suddenly a loud thud is heard from hawke's room. She rushes upstairs only to find...)

Hawke: fenris!? How did you get in here, and why are you taking my mantle? Wait, what happened to my door?! There is a hole in it the size of.. did you phase through my door!?

Fenris: bodhan wasn't here to let me in. I used my.. hmm.. talents to make sure everything was alright.

Hawke: and the mantle? Was stealing that part of your plan to check on me?

Fenris: well, I just.. it was a bad idea, hawke. Im sorry.

Hawke: take it fenris. Wear it on your belt or something, toss it in the fire. If you want it that bad. (She grinned mischieviously at his obvious discomfort.)

Fenris: I'll be going then. I will repay you for the door. I just wanted to make sure something hadn't happened with all the trouble you get into. You should really consider hiring guards.

Hawke: oh fenris why would I hire guards when I have you. Every door in kirkwall trembles at the sight of you. Not to mention your talent for ripping people's hearts out. (The last words sounded more bitter than she had meant.)

Fenris: I shall endeavor to use more conventional methods of entering your house hawke. Thank you for the mantle. I shall, make use of it. (He turned and began walking toward the front exit.)

Hawke: you can't call it a gift if you were going to steal it anyways you know. But your welcome!

[tankgirly]

by healingwind

[Rheia]

Genderswaps always make me laugh . Fenris(a) looks kinda like a cross of Aribeth and Valsharess...

Sebastian(a) though, really like that refit.

[tankgirly]

Rheia wrote...

Genderswaps always make me laugh . Fenris(a) looks kinda like a cross of Aribeth and Valsharess...

Sebastian(a) though, really like that refit.

This one is actually pretty good, don't you think?

[Arquen]

LMAO, Femris sure does have some big bewbs o.O

That is a pretty good one. I'm not a fan of genderswappage, but I don't hate it or anything. I find it amusing at best. These are done quite well, though Femris just looks off to me. She doesn't look lanky enough I think. Plus, the bewbs get me >.<

[ReiSilver]

I already had a little mini rant on that image on my tumblr ^^;
It's very well drawn, and I don't mind gender swapping in and of itself, but it gives me the irrits when a male character is gender-swapped and suddenly they have to change their outfit to show off boob, or thigh, or their hair inexplicably grows longer, like long hair comes part and parcel with ovaries. This picture does ALL OF THESE THINGS *sadface*
Looking at what this Fem!Fenris is wearing just makes me go "By the Dread Wolf! Why?"

[Arquen]

I just imagined male Fenris in a similar outfit and LOL. I agree with you Rei. Can you imagine Fenris in slit armor with a low v-neck showing off his pecs. Not to mention the thigh high leggings. LMAO.. smexy... >.<

Modifié par Arquen, 23 juin 2011 - 01:06 .

[R2s Muse]

Arquen wrote...

Listening to his voicepack I found "beware trap ahead." If he can detect traps why can't he pick locks . I mean he could just totally phase through them. This has come up before, doc even did a prompt on it but I would find it hilarious if he actually phased locks lol.

I thought I read somewhere that initially everyone was going to be able to detect traps and then they took that ability away. But, that's why it's still in the voicepack. Does that sound familiar to anyone else? I can't seem to find anything on it right now...

[tankgirly]

by Sakuna.

[Cawti35]

Ahh, mutual hatred of a third party, bringing people together since the dawn of time!

Great drawing.

I have missed being able to get to the forum the last few days. Murphy's Law has ruled my life. It's nice to catch a breather and catch up a bit. Looks like I need to go chase down some people's fanfics. That is something to smile about.

[Arquen]

I'm so bad. I like bringing them both on the keeper quest. Poor Merrill. Even my Hawke can't help but say "what did you think was going to happen!?"

The monster comment makes me smile every time. I'm such a terrible person I think >.<. Whenever it comes to Merrill I agree with Fenris. My favorite line is when you first meet her and she uses blood magic.

(paraphrasing)
Fenris: blood magic? Foolish, very foolish.
Merrill: I know what it looks like, but I know what I'm doing.
Fenris: Oh yes, ignore the tiger, never mind that he is going to eat you! good advice.

Anders tries to take the "big brother" approach trying to scare Merrill out of it. Fenris just straight up goes to *facepalm,* and attempts to curb it by stating the obvious. He is like me in this respect when it comes to Merrill.

[tankgirly]

Arquen wrote...

I'm so bad. I like bringing them both on the keeper quest. Poor Merrill. Even my Hawke can't help but say "what did you think was going to happen!?"

The monster comment makes me smile every time. I'm such a terrible person I think >.<. Whenever it comes to Merrill I agree with Fenris. My favorite line is when you first meet her and she uses blood magic.

(paraphrasing)
Fenris: blood magic? Foolish, very foolish.
Merrill: I know what it looks like, but I know what I'm doing.
Fenris: Oh yes, ignore the tiger, never mind that he is going to eat you! good advice.

Anders tries to take the "big brother" approach trying to scare Merrill out of it. Fenris just straight up goes to *facepalm,* and attempts to curb it by stating the obvious. He is like me in this respect when it comes to Merrill.

What's good about that was Merrill wasn't officially your party member yet. You can go ahead and ****** her off as much as you like!


*is a Sith by nature*

[Patriciachr34]

Every time Merrill says, "I know what it looks like, but I know what I'm doing."  I keep hearing, "Yeah I drink, but I can stop any time."  I just makes me cringe.

Perhaps we can have an intervention DLC for Merrill.

[tankgirly]

Prompt time

This week's theme:


1. Starkhaven.
2. Ketojan
3. The Arishok
4. The Warden.
5. The Urn of the Sacred Ashes.






The usual stuff, one week time frame and a bold Prompt: (theme) on the top of your post.

Right, have fun.

[Shacary]

And Im late to the party again.... thinking about the mage issues you all mentioned, altho this might be a little off topic... didnt Gregoir in DAO mention that Irving [ first enchanter] had the power to make the decisions in regards to the tower rules etc, and that he was [ paraphrasing this] was there to enforce it ?
In that regards it is as if the templars take a back seat to the mage... Idk, It was not really appararent in any of the games imo. I prefer the idea that a school could be provided. wher ethe maglings could still have family but attend a school for formal directions; however if a mageling does get in trouble they could be put in the dormitories for 24 hour education/ observation until the danger had passed.
I have to support Fenris tho, I didnt see much examples of magic helping people, and saying that becuz mages are pressed into the circle caused them to hurt others.. well idk. The old adage that absolutel power corrupts absolutely is true... and unfortunately no matter whom regulates magic and mages rules in society there would have to be political plays/ power plays/ and most likely agendas. Its an imperfect world , so I tend to think Thedas would be too.
Mages are likened { i think?} to having nuclear weapons layign about... they may never fire, but once they do, the world is damaged beyond ken.
Great debate and fantatasitc stories Arquen and Doc always makes me grin.

[Sherbet Lemon]

tankgirly wrote...



by healingwind

Okay this is like my new favorite thing EVER!  I love it!  They are all flawless!  Kudos to Healingwind!

[DreamerM]

Shacary wrote...
 didnt Gregoir in DAO mention that Irving [ first enchanter] had the power to make the decisions in regards to the tower rules etc, and that he was [ paraphrasing this] was there to enforce it ?

What I think that meant was that Gregior let Irving set the ground rules that govern the day-to-day lives of the mages who live in the Circle. Gregior's Templars, in addition to keeping an eye out for Abominations, would enforce those rules and act kind of like cops/guards/hall monitors.

Gregior and Irving were adversaries, but they did trust each other. That's why Gregior says the only way he'll call off the Annulment is if Irving tells him it's safe. Can you imagine how Meredith would have reacted to that suggestion?

[Shacary]

you know to play devils advocate.... there were a lot of blood mage and demons all over Kirkwall. That being the case Merediths foundations/fears werent to off base. The fact that for Orsino to turn into the harvester truly meant he had been practicing blood magic himself for a while { I doubt that spell was a simple new spell learned!!! ] May have been another factorf in the way Meredith pressured the mages.
She was insane in the end, no doubt about it, but sadly Orsino was not insane.. he turned out jsut to be evil or stupid or both. [ cant forget how he aided Quentin's research. HE MUST have known what the man was doing... I cant quite get my thoughts around it tbh. Was apparently a lot of discord in the circle before the tainted idol came about. [ discord with templars etc.] I got the impression that Orsino was pressing for the champions siding more than Meredith too.. so mb my poor skeptic heart believes he was manuevering politically even then....