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[Dr. Doctor]

tankgirly wrote...
It's such a shame he doesn't have ability to do magic at all, from what he learned, he could be such a good arcane warrior.

Hawke: So about that magical fisting thing you do.

Fenris: Haven't we gone over this before? About the whole 'could kill you' thing?

Hawke: I'm not talking about that, I don't think Anders wants to patch up my spleen again after what happened last time. I'm talking about the whole 'magical' thing, if you can phase through people because of your markings couldn't you do other types of magic?

Fenris: The markings are only attuned to move through objects, nothing more.

Hawke: You don't want to at least try to use magic?

Fenris: No.

[tankgirly]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

tankgirly wrote...
It's such a shame he doesn't have ability to do magic at all, from what he learned, he could be such a good arcane warrior.

Hawke: So about that magical fisting thing you do.

Fenris: Haven't we gone over this before? About the whole 'could kill you' thing?

Hawke: I'm not talking about that, I don't think Anders wants to patch up my spleen again after what happened last time. I'm talking about the whole 'magical' thing, if you can phase through people because of your markings couldn't you do other types of magic?

Fenris: The markings are only attuned to move through objects, nothing more.

Hawke: You don't want to at least try to use magic?

Fenris: No.

You know, I can imagine Merrill gave him something very very similar as well XDD

Though Anders' version would probably be quite different. Quite possibly he would say something like 'you have the power in you, you should be on our side.. Blahblahblah.

[autumnyte]

I commissioned a piece of Fenris art from Pyromaniac03 on DA, and I am so happy with it. It was the first thing I ever commissioned and now I understand why people say commissions are addictive. 

It's slightly NSFW, so I'll share the link.  It's male Hawe/Fenris, FYI. pyromaniac03.deviantart.com/#/d3lcw5l

Modifié par autumnyte, 10 juillet 2011 - 03:36 .

[Dr. Doctor]

tankgirly wrote...
You know, I can imagine Merrill gave him something very very similar as well XDD

Though Anders' version would probably be quite different. Quite possibly he would say something like 'you have the power in you, you should be on our side.. Blahblahblah.

The question is, how the heck do those markings work? Magic uses the energy of the Fade and the will of the person tapping into it in order to create the desired effect. Perhaps the lyrium in Fenris' markings gives him enough of a connection to the Fade to use limited magical abilities. Perhaps the design of the markings work like runes, they create a set path for magical energy to travel through to produce a certain effect.

[tankgirly]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

tankgirly wrote...
You know, I can imagine Merrill gave him something very very similar as well XDD

Though Anders' version would probably be quite different. Quite possibly he would say something like 'you have the power in you, you should be on our side.. Blahblahblah.

The question is, how the heck do those markings work? Magic uses the energy of the Fade and the will of the person tapping into it in order to create the desired effect. Perhaps the lyrium in Fenris' markings gives him enough of a connection to the Fade to use limited magical abilities. Perhaps the design of the markings work like runes, they create a set path for magical energy to travel through to produce a certain effect.

I've been wondering about that, too. If he did not have magic ability in game, how on Earth did he 'switch on' those markings when he does the phasing thing?

[Arquen]

I dug around for a past post that I did about Fenris' markings...

Arquen wrote:

Well, I was thinking what the Lyrium tattoos actually do. The skills and powers they actually give Fenris are more akin to mage's spells than they are to say Templar's skills. In that he does not need any augmentation because the Lyrium is the catalyst, but he does need to access the abilities in order to use them. I'm convinced he activates these skills through emotion. Mostly anger I would assume. I could see Danarius training him to activate his abilities by forcing him to become angry at something and it would have taken time to control the powers I'm sure.

So with that being said magic comes from the fade right? A tranquil mage is severed from the fade and therefore cut off from emotions. So, what would it take to attach a non-mage to the fade allowing him access to the ability to literally "phase" between the fade and the world? Literally phasing without knowing one is accessing the fade. Besides a horribly tortuous process that I can only imagine and feel empathy for I can think of no other way than to attach a person's emotions to the fade. Just as a mage is born with this ability to access the fade at will and in dreams a normal person would have to have some substitute for that natural ability. The lyrium becomes the channeling port and the emotion is the trigger. All magic is accessed through a connection with the fade and is closely tied to emotions. I would assume a Tevinter Magister would use that knowledge to attempt to create a
bridge between host and magic. However, it has to be a very specific connection otherwise any emotion would trigger the power and the lyrium and would probably kill the host or send him phasing into the fade permanently.

I don't think Fenris could ever really learn magic, or could even cast spells or anything like a mage, but I believe in time he could develop his abilities with the lyrium markings more fully. Perhaps connect different emotions to his markings and therefore expand his abilities. Instead of phasing and destroying out of anger he could one day learn to say phase and repair, heal using another emotion, like empathy. The problem of course is that Fenris hasn't had time to emotionally mature. His emotions and connections to people are still emerging and it is going to be a long time to develop emotions. He has to actually learn his emotions and understand them before he can get the ability to focus them, call on them, and use them as he subconsciously does his anger to activate his abilities.

Just my theory on the markings. My mind also wanders to that place Kal'Hirol in DAA where you find the buckets of Lyrium and Anders says "This contraption is filled with pure lyrium. That much could kill an army." So, I don't imagine the "nice" form of Lyrium being used on Fenris, but more likely the most potent and therefore deadly form. Also, looking into Lyrium reveals "The smiths of Amgarrak, under the jurisdiction of a Tevinter mage, created strange contraptions known as Lyrium Wells, capable of shifting objects and people through different levels of the Fade..." So, in my mind the ritual was a lot like how the old smiths made Golems except you have a living host and not a Golem body. 

Modifié par Arquen, 10 juillet 2011 - 07:59 .

[tankgirly]

Now I am very curious about how that lyrium marking procedure works.



by tantu.

[Arquen]

I started writing a fanfic that had Fenris explaining the ritual to Hawke. I made myself extremely sad doing it, and so stopped writing it for a while. Also because it is hard to write suffering/torture/etc. without people immediately going "emo, whiny, mary sue." I definitely didn't want to contribute to that. Though it is more dark than emo. Was going to scrap it. If anyone is interested though... I picked it up again tonight. I plan on finishing it.

oh and tankgirly found my DA ... o.O.. now I have to finish my fenpic since I have no Fenris on there >.<

[tankgirly]

Arquen wrote...



oh and tankgirly found my DA ... o.O..

I am a stalker by trade here, darl. It take me very little time to find out...

Gosh, now I sound like Varric...

[Meeszy Alexy]

Arquen wrote...

I started writing a fanfic that had Fenris explaining the ritual to Hawke. I made myself extremely sad doing it, and so stopped writing it for a while. Also because it is hard to write suffering/torture/etc. without people immediately going "emo, whiny, mary sue." I definitely didn't want to contribute to that. Though it is more dark than emo. Was going to scrap it. If anyone is interested though... I picked it up again tonight. I plan on finishing it.

oh and tankgirly found my DA ... o.O.. now I have to finish my fenpic since I have no Fenris on there >.<

I'm curious about this fanfic. I wouldn't listen to the people that will dismiss it as "emo", "whiny" or "mary-sue" (unless, of course, your fanfic is really that terrible, which I doubt).

It's one of my pet peeves when people use it as an excuse to bash Fenris, in fact. Yes, Fenris has suffered a lot and is rather unhappy (understatement) about it. He has every damn right to complain about his past. Not every character can smile through their pain, especially when it's all they've ever known. It just shows that the people that hate the so-called "emo/whiny" type are just very insensitive. 

It's a different matter, of course, if it's less because of the character being "emo/whiny" thing is something they've seen way too often and they just want something different, but in the case of the Dragon Age companions, there are very few characters that are placed in that same category. Fenris is rather different, in fact, and because people are too quick to dismiss him as a "emo, whiny, mary sue" they don't bother talking with him and getting past that.

I find it insulting to his character that it's all that some players can be bothered to see. They never wonder why he's like that, or try to help him, which just goes to prove my earlier point.

(Before anybody says anything, though, there are obviously other reasons that people dislike our glowing elf, this is just one in particular that gets on my nerves.)

Alright, rant's over now. Here's a comic for you all to enjoy. 

[Dr. Doctor]

tankgirly wrote...
I've been wondering about that, too. If he did not have magic ability in game, how on Earth did he 'switch on' those markings when he does the phasing thing?

From what we see the markings only flare up when Fenris is angry. Like The Hulk.

Or:

Varric: So how do you work that whole glowing-punching thing?

Fenris: What?

Varric: When we're fighting you're usually glowing, how do you turn the glowing on and off?

Fenris: Like this. (claps twice and starts to glow)

Varric: That's...pretty cool actually.

[Arquen]

Alright, ladies and gents. Ask and you shall receive. I finished it. I don't know if I will go back and edit on it a bit later. I'm a crazy perfectionist and so don't usually do fanfic, LMAO.

So far I have now done 2 Fenfics o.O. This one is more on par with my writing I think. I don't usually do fluff.

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PREVIEW:: or TEASER I should say...

Hawke took a seat next to Fenris at her desk in the library. He had chosen a book about lyrium of all things. Such dry reading.

"Why lyrium Fenris? I thought you wouldn't want a book discussing something so... close to home," Hawke said gently as she flitted her eyes to Fenris' markings. He must have caught her glance.

"And why not Hawke, I shouldn't care to know more about what was carved into me?" He retorted. Hawke recoiled a bit from his gaze. He must have caught that, too.

"I'm sorry. It's just, this book has so many uses for lyrium. How Templars use it, how mages use it to augment their powers, but nothing about it being branded into flesh. I suppose it was too much to hope to find out more." He sighed, and his features softened. "You know Hawke, I don't even know how these markings really work."

MOre on my Livejournal ---> Arquen's Writings or DA if you prefer ---> Arquen

Modifié par Arquen, 10 juillet 2011 - 06:52 .

[Deliciously-Demonic]

Hey, I thought Isabela was the clapper.

I think they turn on when he's angry or in the heat of battle. Which makes me wonder about his and Hawke's sex life. The line between bloodlust and plain lust...a very thin one...
-goes into the gutter-

Oh. Just another way he could be like Valen, losing control during sex~ -pokes, like, every HoTU fanfic ever posted. EVER-

[Cutlasskiwi]

tankgirly wrote...

Arquen wrote...



oh and tankgirly found my DA ... o.O..

I am a stalker by trade here, darl. It take me very little time to find out...

Gosh, now I sound like Varric...

Which is not a bad thing mind you... 

[UrsulaCousland]

Arquen wrote...

I dug around for a past post that I did about Fenris' markings...

Arquen wrote:

Well, I was thinking what the Lyrium tattoos actually do. The skills and powers they actually give Fenris are more akin to mage's spells than they are to say Templar's skills. In that he does not need any augmentation because the Lyrium is the catalyst, but he does need to access the abilities in order to use them. I'm convinced he activates these skills through emotion. Mostly anger I would assume. I could see Danarius training him to activate his abilities by forcing him to become angry at something and it would have taken time to control the powers I'm sure.

So with that being said magic comes from the fade right? A tranquil mage is severed from the fade and therefore cut off from emotions. So, what would it take to attach a non-mage to the fade allowing him access to the ability to literally "phase" between the fade and the world? Literally phasing without knowing one is accessing the fade. Besides a horribly tortuous process that I can only imagine and feel empathy for I can think of no other way than to attach a person's emotions to the fade. Just as a mage is born with this ability to access the fade at will and in dreams a normal person would have to have some substitute for that natural ability. The lyrium becomes the channeling port and the emotion is the trigger. All magic is accessed through a connection with the fade and is closely tied to emotions. I would assume a Tevinter Magister would use that knowledge to attempt to create a
bridge between host and magic. However, it has to be a very specific connection otherwise any emotion would trigger the power and the lyrium and would probably kill the host or send him phasing into the fade permanently.

I don't think Fenris could ever really learn magic, or could even cast spells or anything like a mage, but I believe in time he could develop his abilities with the lyrium markings more fully. Perhaps connect different emotions to his markings and therefore expand his abilities. Instead of phasing and destroying out of anger he could one day learn to say phase and repair, heal using another emotion, like empathy. The problem of course is that Fenris hasn't had time to emotionally mature. His emotions and connections to people are still emerging and it is going to be a long time to develop emotions. He has to actually learn his emotions and understand them before he can get the ability to focus them, call on them, and use them as he subconsciously does his anger to activate his abilities.

Just my theory on the markings. My mind also wanders to that place Kal'Hirol in DAA where you find the buckets of Lyrium and Anders says "This contraption is filled with pure lyrium. That much could kill an army." So, I don't imagine the "nice" form of Lyrium being used on Fenris, but more likely the most potent and therefore deadly form. Also, looking into Lyrium reveals "The smiths of Amgarrak, under the jurisdiction of a Tevinter mage, created strange contraptions known as Lyrium Wells, capable of shifting objects and people through different levels of the Fade..." So, in my mind the ritual was a lot like how the old smiths made Golems except you have a living host and not a Golem body. 

(Late to the party, but didn't want to phone-post this. ) 

Just to add, I've read somewhere (I don't remember if it was in-game or on the Wiki but I want to say in-game) that Fenris himself doesn't fully understand the extent of his markings' capabilities/his powers - which lends some strength to your theory here, I think.  He does, apparently, know how to control it well enough to decide whether to kill someone or not with the phase-punch (reference the scene when you return to 'deal with' the blood mage after Leandra's murder - his name escapes me - Fenris seems, to me, to be very deliberately controlling the extent of what he's doing in that scene and leaves the mage alive for Hawke to claim the honors. That's how I interpret it, anyway.). 

I hadn't seen the bit about Lyrium I bolded either. *Shudder* In Origins I always destroyed the Anvil because the very idea seemed horrible to me personally. This...is worse to contemplate, as I'm pretty sure physical pain isn't a problem for a golem once the process is complete.

[Arquen]

With Gascard as well Fenris can "take his time." He has a great deal of control over what he does yet it is also indicated with how hard he hits something too.

For instance he sort of only uses a couple of fingers and doesn't really "punch" Denzig (i think that was his name) or Gascard but just sort of does a twisting scramble eggs motion with his hand. Whereas with the captain and Danarius he full on punches through, pulls back and audibly rips stuff out.

So I think there are definitely levels of control that Fenris had to learn, but it is also based on common sense. Punch someone and fist phase, tap and scramble their insides a bit and they won't die but it will be agony. Now imagine how many people Danarius "made talk" using Fenris' torture techniques. I shudder to think what he had to do to people for the sake of his master's schemes.

I gave a LOT of thought to the ritual. Over-analyze might be the right word. I still see it as being trained to his emotions. It would have taken him a while to grasp control, but I'm sure Danarius was there to beat him into submission and "trained" him well enough to become a deadly weapon.

In my head Fenris can develop his abilities further as time goes by. I still see them as being tied to emotion, but Fenris is above all things a warrior and so uses his blade as well. He has focus already because of that. In time he could learn to focus his markings I think. He could potentially be like the most epic warrior ... EVER... o.O. Yeah... maybe that is just my fangirl self talking. Or my tired self.... hmmm.

[tankgirly]

Yellow Words wrote...

tankgirly wrote...

Arquen wrote...



oh and tankgirly found my DA ... o.O..

I am a stalker by trade here, darl. It take me very little time to find out...

Gosh, now I sound like Varric...

Which is not a bad thing mind you... 

Why, thank you.

[Friera]

Hmm, for some strange reasons my "Caim" characters shows Fenris´s head in my "games" section. Must be a bug. Oh well, I don´t mind playing the most awesome elf ever.

Arquen : Fenris did say that in act 1, Im sure. Just playing my 4th time now, and I remember he said he doesn´t fully understrand the extent of his powers.
I simply can´t stop romance him. Tsssk... I kinda wanna romance Isabella as well. But its... annoying not to romance Fenris. I know, Im lame. I even drew a fan art of him and Hawke now. ( and I haven´t been drawing for years.) I guess Im slightly above average fangirling him. I thought I grew out of that, hehe.

[tankgirly]

Friera wrote...

Hmm, for some strange reasons my "Caim" characters shows Fenris´s head in my "games" section. Must be a bug. Oh well, I don´t mind playing the most awesome elf ever.

Arquen : Fenris did say that in act 1, Im sure. Just playing my 4th time now, and I remember he said he doesn´t fully understrand the extent of his powers.
I simply can´t stop romance him. Tsssk... I kinda wanna romance Isabella as well. But its... annoying not to romance Fenris. I know, Im lame. I even drew a fan art of him and Hawke now. ( and I haven´t been drawing for years.) I guess Im slightly above average fangirling him. I thought I grew out of that, hehe.

Humph...does that means it's an impulse thing, though? Or he could simply triggered it at will, without thinking how he did it in the first place. If that's letter, then he did have some magic ability after all, considered his sister does.

I had just finished my eighth playthrough last night, and so far I can only successfuly romanced Anders once. I totally agree with you, I cannot not romance Fenris, it's just too hard.

[Madame Rose Crimsynn]

Deliciously-Demonic wrote...

Hey, I thought Isabela was the clapper.

I think they turn on when he's angry or in the heat of battle. Which makes me wonder about his and Hawke's sex life. The line between bloodlust and plain lust...a very thin one...
-goes into the gutter-

Oh. Just another way he could be like Valen, losing control during sex~ -pokes, like, every HoTU fanfic ever posted. EVER-

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Oh, Maker dammit! Whyyyyyyyyyy?!?!?!?! I now want to read "Into the Shadows" again.

DAMN YOU! 

*Digs out reader*

[Deliciously-Demonic]

That's what I'm hear for, Rosie, to drag people to the gutter and make them read fanfiction. -snicker-

[tankgirly]

Madame Rose Crimsynn wrote...

Deliciously-Demonic wrote...

Hey, I thought Isabela was the clapper.

I think they turn on when he's angry or in the heat of battle. Which makes me wonder about his and Hawke's sex life. The line between bloodlust and plain lust...a very thin one...
-goes into the gutter-

Oh. Just another way he could be like Valen, losing control during sex~ -pokes, like, every HoTU fanfic ever posted. EVER-

Oh, Maker dammit! Whyyyyyyyyyy?!?!?!?! I now want to read "Into the Shadows" again.

DAMN YOU! 

*Digs out reader*

Please do MRC, you know how good Nastrandir's fanfics are, especially her Valen.

[Dr. Doctor]

Deliciously-Demonic wrote...
I think they turn on when he's angry or in the heat of battle. Which makes me wonder about his and Hawke's sex life. The line between bloodlust and plain lust...a very thin one...
-goes into the gutter-

Hawke:  (curled up next of Fenris) Fenris?

Fenris: Yes?

Hawke: Leg.

Fenris: (opens his eyes to see that his leg has phased through the bed) Fendhis.

[tankgirly]

by nueme-chan

[Arquen]

As far as Act 1 Fenris really never exactly states bluntly that he doesn't know how the markings work.

He says:

Hawke: I've seen some of your abilities. Do they come from those markings?
Fenris: Some. All I know is that, even in the Imperium, warriors such as myself are rare. Perhaps they believe I should feel honored?

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Fenris: The truth is I know nothing of the ritual that placed these markings on me. It was Danarius' choice, one he now regrets.

He never specifically talks about using the markings or the abilities they have. I wish he did, but understandable why he doesn't really talk about them much.

In another theory in my head I imagine Fenris being quite irked when people call them tattoos. I mean, they look like ink but that is nothing like what they are. When people try to relate by going "hey I have a tattoo," I think Fenris would be quite annoyed with the comparison.

I would imagine it would be like walking up to a gunshot wound victim and saying "hey, I have a tattoo that looks like a bullet hole. I feel your pain, man." It's like not even in the same league let alone something that can be compared. Not like it is a "sore" subject, just I think Fenris would get tired of people calling them something less than what they are. I think that is why he is so quick to correct them and correct them by explaining how they are lyrium and were branded on him.