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#42476
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Saberchic wrote...

Just so nobody thinks I'm bluffing about Luke looking into it, I'm posting a link to the thread it's in.

the thread

I came on here and heard all these things about Anders' dialogue and the others too, so I decided to visit the 360 tech help, and Luke had already posted that he was looking into it. :happy:

Ah, this is great to know. I'll then put on hold my Fenris romance playthrough for later...

And, if it is a bug, they could put out a patch for a DLC. They patched Witch hunt!

#42477
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So the Fenmance is bugged in Legacy and they are trying to fix it?

It doesn't matter if I won't be getting it right away-- huzzah!

#42478
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Best banter so far in Legacy

Fenris: So Varric, this 'spy network' of yours. You don't really have one do you? You make it all up?

Varric; Could be.  That or I could have a small army of elven urchins and their all watching.

Fenris You are a strange, hairy, little man.

It makes me think of this.

Edit:

For those wanting to hear the missing banter watch  this starting at 4:20

Modifié par Dr. Doctor, 28 juillet 2011 - 07:16 .


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I don't remember the line exactly but it had snarky Isabela saying something like:

"Next time you say, Hey Isabela want to join us? I'm saying no." Which I though was funny cause I was also wondering how Hawke managed to convince the others to go on these adventures.

Also an armada of demon pirates, bioware needs these.

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buggirl wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

Just so nobody thinks I'm bluffing about Luke looking into it, I'm posting a link to the thread it's in.

the thread

I came on here and heard all these things about Anders' dialogue and the others too, so I decided to visit the 360 tech help, and Luke had already posted that he was looking into it. :happy:


Thank you posting the link. I really liked Legacy and thought it was strange there was no comment from Fenris/companions considering the amount of dialogue that it had been recorded but tossed it off to Fenris... well being Fenris. Looking foward to know if it is bugged or not .

No problem. ^_^

I was also way disappointed when I played through it. It wasn't until I got on here and started visiting the character threads that I saw that the other LIs got recognition and banter that I got super suspicious.

I'm holding off doing another playthrough with Fenris as LI until I hear what's going on.

I am totally loving Legacy! It makes me actually want to play DA2 more.

#42481
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john-in-france wrote...

Friend Fenris was in the party and I got a fair amount of information out of him concerning Tevinter magisters and the origin myth of the Black City as he cynically believes it to be told in Tevinter Chantry.


That was exactly the kind of thing that I was expecting, romance or not, and didn't get. 

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Oh good, they are going to fix the broken dialogue. I ran through with my Serah Hawke(yes, I did that on purpose), who is a Mage, in act 1. I did it on a secondary save though, so I can go through more of the game with her, romance Fenris, and then see how things go...

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SurrealSadi wrote...

Oh good, they are going to fix the broken dialogue. I ran through with my Serah Hawke(yes, I did that on purpose), who is a Mage, in act 1. I did it on a secondary save though, so I can go through more of the game with her, romance Fenris, and then see how things go...


Where did they confirm this?

#42484
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Is the bug on PS3 too D:? I hope they fix it really soon.

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I have a question for the people who have rivalmanced Fenris...

Does he ever change his stance/views on magic or mages in general, or does he just learn to accept you (or your sibling if you're not a mage)?

I've only ever friendmanced him, so it got me curious.

I've seen Isabela change to be less selfish and Anders to regret taking in Justice (on youtube, of course. I can't side with the templars. Sorry, just can't.). :)

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Nope his opinion stays the same. though even as a rival he will stay by you and claim that you/Bethany were strong mages he could tolerate.

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Fleshdress wrote...

Nope his opinion stays the same. though even as a rival he will stay by you and claim that you/Bethany were strong mages he could tolerate.


Ah. I knew he'd stay with you as long as you had him locked in, but it's too bad his views don't budge. Not that I would want a complete 180, mind you. :D

But a grudging awknowledgement that at least not all mages are bad (beyond the Hawkes, I mean) would have been interesting.

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Yah, his lack of opinion reconfiguring makes his relationships with all my mage Hawkes seem a teeny bit unhealthy. It's a good thing I really only slash romance Fenris otherwise I would have to worry about their future mage!children and how daddy hates them.

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Weeelllll - actually, for the rivalmance, he does say "Perhaps it's time I let go of this hate. It's poison, and yet I continue to swallow it. What I have done, I have done to myself."

In my opinion, he learns to take more personal responsibility, instead of blaming magic for everything, and he's making a start on the road to forgiveness. I'm not really sure how else to interpret that.

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Harle Cerulean wrote...

Weeelllll - actually, for the rivalmance, he does say "Perhaps it's time I let go of this hate. It's poison, and yet I continue to swallow it. What I have done, I have done to myself."

In my opinion, he learns to take more personal responsibility, instead of blaming magic for everything, and he's making a start on the road to forgiveness. I'm not really sure how else to interpret that.


Does he really? Maybe I'll have to check it out then.

Fleshdress wrote...

Yah, his lack of opinion reconfiguring
makes his relationships with all my mage Hawkes seem a teeny bit
unhealthy. It's a good thing I really only slash romance Fenris
otherwise I would have to worry about their future mage!children and how
daddy hates them.


Ha! Never thought about having mage children with him. That would be funny... or horrific. I don't know which. ;)

#42491
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Heidenreich wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

In case you haven't heard, Luke Barrett is looking into the Fenris LI situation for us.


YES:wizard:


Let's hope they fix it. I was considering treating myself to some early DLC goodness (got a second exam next week), but I'm thinking it might wait.

The LI glitches are really getting annoying. :crying:

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Saberchic wrote...

Just so nobody thinks I'm bluffing about Luke looking into it, I'm posting a link to the thread it's in.

the thread

I came on here and heard all these things about Anders' dialogue and the others too, so I decided to visit the 360 tech help, and Luke had already posted that he was looking into it. :happy:


Good to know. I'm thinking I may have to convert to PC so I can get mods to fix all the *grumble* LI bugs, because PS3 and XBOx 360 don't have that luxury and Bioware sucks at catching LI bugs. :P

(Honestly I have a huge TV so I prefer the 360 for that reason, but...I'll take a game that works, community-fixed or otherwise. :mellow:)

ETA: Do we know if it's bugged without using a post-campaign save? I can pretty much do a load from anywhere in the game (I'm that anal-retentive), so I'd be happy to poke around..

Modifié par UrsulaCousland, 28 juillet 2011 - 10:36 .


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As far as I can tell the PC version is bugged as well.

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Saberchic wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Weeelllll - actually, for the rivalmance, he does say "Perhaps it's time I let go of this hate. It's poison, and yet I continue to swallow it. What I have done, I have done to myself."

In my opinion, he learns to take more personal responsibility, instead of blaming magic for everything, and he's making a start on the road to forgiveness. I'm not really sure how else to interpret that.


Does he really? Maybe I'll have to check it out then.


Yeah - I love the rivalmance in part because of that.  It feels to me like I've helped him more.  I don't hold by the idea that rivals means they 'hate' each other - I've always seen that there's immense respect and growing trust there, despite the lack of mutual back-patting about the touchy subjects, and I enjoy that.  The agreeing to disagree and Fenris being confronted when he overdoes his hatred feels more right to me, while to me it seems that the friendmance and agreeing with him/supporting him constantly is just feeding his problems.  So in the interpretation I came away with, the rivalmance actually helps him more than the friendmance, even if it's more of a struggle. XD  I love both sides of the romance, though, and of course, interpretations vary.

#42495
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Dr. Doctor wrote...

Best banter so far in Legacy

Fenris: So Varric, this 'spy network' of yours. You don't really have one do you? You make it all up?

Varric; Could be.  That or I could have a small army of elven urchins and their all watching.

Fenris You are a strange, hairy, little man.

It makes me think of this.

Edit:

For those wanting to hear the missing banter watch  this starting at 4:20


Thank you so much for linking that! OMG, I am laughing so hard at Aveline's response to the first banter. 
 

#42496
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Anyone notice we are at page 1700?

Congrats.

Here is some Fenris goodness we lack on this page.

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Those two won the BioWare Costom contest this year!

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Harle Cerulean wrote...

Weeelllll - actually, for the rivalmance, he does say "Perhaps it's time I let go of this hate. It's poison, and yet I continue to swallow it. What I have done, I have done to myself."

In my opinion, he learns to take more personal responsibility, instead of blaming magic for everything, and he's making a start on the road to forgiveness. I'm not really sure how else to interpret that.


This is why I prefer rivaling him, I feel that he, like Merril  amd her actions surrounding the mirror, shouldn't have his black and white beliefes about mages supported, and be called on his attitude when he's out of line or being generally overly negative in order to grow as a person/character.
If you firend him you're just reinforcing bad behavior for the most part (unless you somehow manage to balance calling him on his BS and still maxing out friendship, but I havent been able to do so)

Modifié par tsunderes, 29 juillet 2011 - 12:34 .


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He says something pretty similar though in friendship, he admits like the same thing. "This hate, I thought I'd gotten away from it but it dogs me no matter where I go." So, I mean it seems like he doesn't want to keep living with it otherwise he wouldn't even admit having it. But yeah, I suppose he just throws the blame for the hate on everything else and his past.

To be honest, I don't think his character can be helped much as far as Mages go. Even when he's in a romance with a Mage, and sides against Templars, he's still like "uh, yeah, this is weird." Is there even an instance where his character differentiates between Tevinter Mages and like..normal Mages in the rest of Thedas?

The most I'd heard him say in regards to sort of supporting Mages was when he's arguing with Anders and says "not all mages are weak" and Anders says something like oh you specifically don't mention me...and he goes on to say that either Hawke or Bethany aren't weak. Even when you just friend him as a Mage, he is still like sort of a brat about it. I remember I told him "you have friends" after his Alone quest and he's like "HAH. A Mage for my only friend." I was like, uhhh...THANKS?

I just sort of hate how he hangs out with Hawke all the time (who might be a Mage) or with their sister/friends who are Mages and still acts like all of them are going to turn into blood sucking demons and start enslaving everyone. He even admits he doesn't like Meredith, but yet he's totally cool with her "keeping the city in check".

Eh, I suppose I just dislike his theory that he should allow injustices to continue on the OFF-CHANCE that the rest of Thedas turns into the Tevinter Imperium. Not that I don't understand or sympathize with his viewpoint of Mages, but you'd think he wouldn't be hanging out with them if he wanted them to all be burned at the stake. lol

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I totally agree. I wish there was more opportunity to discuss the state of the circles with him, how mages are beaten and raped and where the "safety from themselves" is in that. I'm personally of the belief that the circle or something similar is necessary for mages to learn to harness and train their powers. But the way it's handled is cruel and unjust.
Fenris's views on mages is understandable considering, but they're incorrect and misslead by his past negative experiences.

Modifié par tsunderes, 29 juillet 2011 - 01:25 .


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My problem with expecting Fenris to acknowledge a difference between Tevinter mages and mages in the rest of Thedas is, the difference is in their birth and upbringing, and he does acknowledge that. But Tevinter mages aren't some strange, different breed of mage who are somehow born without morals. They're raised to believe their magic is to be used to serve their whims and can be used at the expense of others to promote their own position and status, while mages in the rest of Thedas are taught that their magic is to be used for the greater good. And even then, he sees how many turn to blood magic in Kirkwall?

So if that upbringing is changed, what happens? How are they taught? What moral code do they learn? To Fenris, the abuses that occur in the Circles are less dire than the abuses that could occur if you end the Circles.

From our perspectives, we may think there's more hope for mages as a whole to be good people. But Fenris has seen a land in which mages are free to do as they choose, and in his experience, they choose to be abusive and power-hungry. His perspective is not ours. What he sees in Kirkwall does not make him overall positive. Kirkwall is a terrible example, of course - but it's the example he has.

Much of this is, of course, my interpretation of Fenris!  Your may vary. ;)

Modifié par Harle Cerulean, 29 juillet 2011 - 02:16 .