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[Sealy]

Ryzaki wrote...

I love thatpic! 

Not sure why but I tend to friendmance Fenris with my redheads and rival him with my black hair Hawkes. 

I have yet to make anyone but black haired Hawkes, which is sad because I am less then fond with the bald spots in some of the hairstyles. My Hawkes usually tent to look similar to eachother, dark hair/scruff/ type one preset head after the default Hawkes with a slimmer jaw. Seamus' hair, or the disney prince hair. I apparently have a type. I wish I could use the default hair cause I love the hair, I hate the beard. I have made one blonde Hawke and he ended up with Anders, totally against my will.  Didn't improve my opinion of blonde Hawkes.

Ryzaki wrote...

We could use one! Dat elf is just too cute.

Cute, just like those baby!kitty!dragons that want to eat your face. Cute.  

Edit: OMG that pic is made of yum. The sweat, I have never seen sexier sweat. I feel dazed, and I so want someone to mod a non black out scene for me to watch.

Modifié par Fleshdress, 09 août 2011 - 03:18 .

[ReiSilver]

Fleshdress wrote...

Erani wrote...

 Every time I play as MHawke, I just have to rivalmance Fenris! Dem cute green eyes 

And yes, remember during the weeks before DA2 came out, how Aimo would post small pieces of MHawke/Fenris art? hahahaha and there's that one they are in bed, with Fenris on top 

This pic, you must find me this!

*snip*

ask and ye shall receive
I love Aimo's art. I need to draw Akiva fanart sometime



I'm currently doing my Anders friendmance run through.... I keep wanting to go back to Marric Hawke and Fenris rivalmance. I'm hopeless

Edit: if you us a PC and are looking for mods so you can use the default Garrett hairstyle there is this mod from dragonage nexus

Modifié par ReiSilver, 09 août 2011 - 03:22 .

[Sealy]

Ack, seeing it again doesn't dull the effect and now I have to stare at the keyboard while I type so that I can form coherant speech.

Edit: Uhg, words are haaarrd.

Modifié par Fleshdress, 09 août 2011 - 03:34 .

[Ryzaki]

Fleshdress wrote...
I have yet to make anyone but black haired Hawkes, which is sad because I am less then fond with the bald spots in some of the hairstyles. My Hawkes usually tent to look similar to eachother, dark hair/scruff/ type one preset head after the default Hawkes with a slimmer jaw. Seamus' hair, or the disney prince hair. I apparently have a type. I wish I could use the default hair cause I love the hair, I hate the beard. I have made one blonde Hawke and he ended up with Anders, totally against my will.  Didn't improve my opinion of blonde Hawkes.

Heh so do mine. XD I like the little ponytail/hair down style. And that short hairstyle that apparently makes my Hawke look like a Justin Bieber's older brother (to my utter horror)

I tried to make a blond Hawke...ended up changing his hair red. 

Cute, just like those baby!kitty!dragons that want to eat your face. Cute.  

Edit: OMG that pic is made of yum. The sweat, I have never seen sexier sweat. I feel dazed, and I so want someone to mod a non black out scene for me to watch.

That's the best type of cute. 

And...yes while NSFW that is a sexy pic <3

[Sealy]

Jeez, I was just watching Fenris get pissy with Hawke when she trolls him about keeping Orana as a slave and I have now decided Tevene is the only language worth swearing in. Why is everything this elf does so drool worthy.  

Well other then when he yells at me at the end of the quest, My Hawke is always like, "OMG, I just noticed how crazy you are! Are you seriously telling me mages are bad while I (a mage) stand over the shades/slavers/corpses I just cut down for you?" 

Modifié par Fleshdress, 09 août 2011 - 03:37 .

[Ryzaki]

Fleshdress wrote...

Jeez, I was just watching Fenris get pissy with Hawke when she trolls him about keeping Orana as a slave and I have now decided Tevene is the only language worth swearing in. Why is everything this elf does so drool worthy.

Heh my canon rivalry Hawke does that just to troll Fenris. The second he sees Orana at his mansion he makes her a servant and calls it a day. 

[Sealy]

Ryzaki wrote...

Fleshdress wrote...

Jeez, I was just watching Fenris get pissy with Hawke when she trolls him about keeping Orana as a slave and I have now decided Tevene is the only language worth swearing in. Why is everything this elf does so drool worthy.

Heh my canon rivalry Hawke does that just to troll Fenris. The second he sees Orana at his mansion he makes her a servant and calls it a day. 

Even my friendmancers do it, cause he is always locked for me, and also if he is gonna play that card with my dripping sarcasm Hawkes then he is really asking for it. "I didn't know you were in the market for a slave!" Honestly elf, its a good thing he's pretty cause sometimes he doesn't use his head until after he word vomits all over the place.

[ReiSilver]

Trolling Fenris is FAAAR too much fun. Though I always correct him right off because his back peddling is adorable "Oh-Well...that's ok then.... carry on...."

I'm going to leave a link to Jackface's Tumblr because she has been doing a lot of Fenris sketches  to go out with her pin-up calanders
copious amounts of shirtless Fenris

[Dr. Doctor]

Oh boy Fenris picking another name.

Fenris: I don't understand what's wrong with Leto. It's at least better than being called by Danarius' pet name for me.

Hawke: (Looking up from a Tevinter dictionary) Leto is a girl's name.

Fenris: It is not! (looks over Hawke's shoulder at the book) It is. (sighs) Perhaps Fenris isn't such a bad name after all.

Seriously I'm not kidding about the whole 'it's a girl's name' thing.

[Ryzaki]

Fleshdress wrote...
Even my friendmancers do it, cause he is always locked for me, and also if he is gonna play that card with my dripping sarcasm Hawkes then he is really asking for it. "I didn't know you were in the market for a slave!" Honestly elf, its a good thing he's pretty cause sometimes he doesn't use his head until after he word vomits all over the place.

 I could just picture my Hawke all "My throat's getting a little crammed from you jumping down it Fenris." 

Though can't be that angry about it since he let my Hawke jump him not even a few hours later. 

[Sealy]

Aww Leto's a girls name? I now feel totally justified in my opinion that Fenris was made for my M!hawkes. He will not appreciate that bit of news reaching Anders or Isabela ears.

Ohhh more Fen pics. Now I'll never finish my actual work.

Ryzaki: Amen to that, I can't get mad at him anywho, I always just pat him on the head and pimch his cheeks, he reminds me of my Mahariel. All snarly and mage hatin'. Elves with superiority/inferiority complexes are my breakfast, lunch, and dinner. My Dalish felt entitled and snarky, a trait his clan carries on with glee.

[Arquen]

Oh for maker's sakes what have I missed!? And Ursula even linked my pic *blush*...

I had real life emergency at work and stuff so had to skip out on the discussion. You know life and death take priority, lmao.

So, where are we.. the kiss?? The name??

As a rival I much prefer the non-glowy kiss. IF ONLY because when you send Fenris away the first time you can say "At least think about what I've said...." and he says "As you wish..." while he walks away. I LOVE that reference and I can't help but do it on a rivalmance because it just makes the most sense to me to have that conversation about Hadrianna, think about what was said/felt and then come back "I have been thinking about you..."

The glowy kiss is my absolute favorite on friendmance and I NEVER see that wall push as violent or even remotely suggesting that Fenris wants to hurt you. It is a push, against a wall... not a *SLAM* If Fenris wants to hurt Hawke he WOULD have. This was not his intent. If anything it is just culmination of emotion, and it takes Hawke by surprise, but it isn't unwanted by either of them.

Now, as far as the name. Fenris would not change his name to Leto because as Ryz said before it has no meaning for him. He even yells at Varania "STOP calling me that!" -- why would he want a name of someone who is foreign to him. Fenris is who he is, what he has become, and I think it is a constant reminder of where he came from and what he has lost while at the same time reminding him that he is just Fenris now, and not "pet" anymore. Also, "what's in a name..." -- sorry can't resist a chance to quote me some Shakespeare.

As he says with Aveline a name is not who you are, but represents something to you. A thread to your identity that you build around it. Aveline hates her namesake, but it was the "wish of her father" to be Aveline. Fenris likewise has had no other name, and probably was not called Fenris very often except mockingly. I'm sure Danarius used it as such. Yet now Fenris is the only name he can identify with. He owns the "little wolf" part of it. He takes pleasure in taking what Danarius gave him and using it against him. The markings, the name, it all serves a purpose for identity to Fenris. To go back to the name Leto, a name he has lost and apparently despises just doesn't make sense.

Also, I will quote myself as I just posted about the origins of Leto a few pages back....

tvtropes states "Leto directly translates as 'summer' in some Slavic languages, and 'he who is always happy' in Latin. Considering his current less than sunny disposition, this goes to show how much he's lost."

Also, in ancient greek mythology Leto is a goddess born of the Titans (mother of Artemis [the huntress] and Apollo) and her name is thought to have originated as "possibly related to "lethe" (λήθη; oblivion) and "Lotus" (the fruit that brings oblivion to those who eat it). Or letho which would thus mean "the hidden one." (from the leto wiki)

So, since his name is then changed to Fenris, and it is pretty obvious that his disposition is no longer relevant to "summer" or "happiness" in any way I can picture together pieces of who I think Leto is. Moreover, he would be the exact opposite kind of person to what Fenris is now. Except for two distinctions of personality that I think he always had. That being 1.) his loyalty and protectiveness of people he loves/cares about and 2.) his humor -- although maybe as Leto it was less Deadpan and more to cheer people up around him.

Since Arcanum is the language of Tevinter and is based on Latin as Tevinter is based off ancient Rome I would assume the root meaning is the male name out of the Latin. Not so much the female name out of the Ancient Greek. So it can be a boy's name too 

Modifié par Arquen, 09 août 2011 - 06:18 .

[Reznore57]

I like the idea that Fenris keep is name.Because a wolf is not a pet , it's a wild animal , makes me think that Danarius is a little bit stupid.Should have gave him a puppy name.

[Sealy]

Arquen wrote...

Oh for maker's sakes what have I missed!? And Ursula even linked my pic *blush*...

I had real life emergency at work and stuff so had to skip out on the discussion. You know life and death take priority, lmao.

So, where are we.. the kiss?? The name??

As a rival I much prefer the non-glowy kiss. IF ONLY because when you send Fenris away the first time you can say "At least think about what I've said...." and he says "As you wish..." while he walks away. I LOVE that reference and I can't help but do it on a rivalmance because it just makes the most sense to me to have that conversation about Hadrianna, think about what was said/felt and then come back "I have been thinking about you..."

The glowy kiss is my absolute favorite on friendmance and I NEVER see that wall push as violent or even remotely suggesting that Fenris wants to hurt you. It is a push, against a wall... not a *SLAM* If Fenris wants to hurt Hawke he WOULD have. This was not his intent. If anything it is just culmination of emotion, and it takes Hawke by surprise, but it isn't unwanted by either of them.

Oh I have never gotten that line before. Man I have aparently missed alot by not deviating often from the snark button.

I disagree on the wall throwing kiss, I think Fenris is taken by surprise by the contact and already on edge he reacts to the idea of a threat. I think it explains is took of anger and his look of horror when he realizes who he is with again and what he had done, It appears he trys to pull away and leave before Hawke takes over the wall smushing. (also, he probably is surprised how being so nice and close to Hawke feels so pleasent, poor sexually repressed elf.)

Hope real life is settled btw. 

 

Reznore57 wrote...

I like the idea that Fenris keep is name.Because a wolf is not a pet , it's a wild animal , makes me think that Danarius is a little bit stupid.Should have gave him a puppy name.

Oh Damn, now the scene is my head is "I apologise, My name is Spot."

Modifié par Fleshdress, 09 août 2011 - 07:02 .

[Arquen]

"It was Danarius' choice. One he now regrets."

Indeed, Fenris' name while more than likely created to mock him became more of a thread to his identity and a testament to his strength and will. Also his intelligence. The sheer irony of it becomes something that he can use and reflect on. I don't think he would want to change it. It is a symbol of something, as Aveline is a symbol of something to her. They may not like the origination of it, but they have changed it and owned it and tied it to themselves over time.

[Sealy]

At least Danarius had the decency to pick something fairly cool. As someone who often names my own guard monster Duck, there were worse fates.

[Arquen]

I will admit that my memory tends to blend together the rival glowy kiss and the friendship glowy kiss.

I agree that Fenris was surprised at the contact and did indeed see a perceived threat for a split second. I didn't mean to suggest Hawke was the only one taken by surprise in that scene at all. I'm just merely reflecting that Fenris is not being violent with Hawke. He raises his fist for a split second, Hawke goes "OH FuuuUuUuU" then he grabs Hawke and pushes them against the wall. Pushes not rams, not slams, not throws a ton of force into it to cause trauma or harm. Here is where my memory gets fuzzy because on rivalry he has this "disgust" face, but on friendship he doesn't. Now, my interpretation isn't "sorry for hurting you," but more "sorry I reacted that way.. I shouldn't have." Then he follows up with the "I want you" face.. and it goes from there.

I don't see violence or trauma or anything but passion and emotion in that scene. As I said if he truly wanted to hurt Hawke he would have kept his fist up and hurt them.

[Sealy]

I like the friendship wall glowing scene as well. I am iffy about the rival one. I don't like the inability he gains that keeps him from even looking at Hawke. Though I do like the "he just enjoys necking more on the rival path" explanation.

I may be the one blending though, I am working on memory for the rival wall kiss because I skip it after it made me uneasy the first time.

Modifié par Fleshdress, 09 août 2011 - 07:39 .

[Reznore57]

I guess after the Hadriana thing , he's a bit on the edge.Danarius may have something that belongs to him , not really a happy thought.
So when you grab him , you push him a little bit more , and he shows what really going on inside of him.He's angry but when he sees Hawke well it turns into something else ..

[Arquen]

yeah that's an understatement. He basically unleashes his anger at Hawke after Hadrianna, breaks a promise, realizes how deep his hate truly goes, and after considering everything attempts to form some kind of coherent explanation and apology for his actions.

Also, a lot of people prefer the second he comes back scene, but I find the glowy kiss on friendship actually is the best one IMHO. I don't feel it is something he hadn't been thinking about before. I believe part of Fenris' thought process for even coming to Hawke's estate after Hadrianna is because he realizes how important Hawke's opinions, feelings, and presence has become to him.

He shows up even on non-romance play because he wants to apologize and explain, but in a romance it is also because he has been thinking about what life would be like without Hawke there. He realizes he said things he should not have "I was not myself..." and he doesn't want to leave Hawke like that. Furthermore, he realizes he does have feelings for Hawke... "this is not why I came.."

I imagine he left after Hadrianna and went over and over what happened in his head. On a romance he probably realized how much Hawke had meant to him over the last few years and how it had been Hawke who was always there to help him. That convinces him to at least go to Hawke's estate and while I agree about the spontaneous nature of the glowy kiss I think he had intent to tell Hawke his feelings, but got bogged down in his emotions talking about Hadrianna. I still think it is his choice, and sending him away to think about it only makes him realize how true his initial feelings for Hawke were.

[Yankee23]

As much as I like the idea of the glowy wall shoving kiss, the fact that the animations are a little screwy botheres me. Plus, I enjoy imagining what Fenris is doing between the time he leaves and comes back. Is he prowling around Kirkwall, does he go for a drink or is he pacing his mansion because he can't get Hawke out of his thoughts and finally throws his hands up and storms out muttering curses in tevinter? (I think that last is my favorite)

[Arquen]

I just found the most hilarious Fenris face in my screenshots.



That is one "WTF Meredith!?" face. It may be because I'm tired, but it made me laugh.

Also, best drunk Fenris pic ever RIGHT HERE:



Hawke: Fenris how did you do that?
Fenris: The markings curse me with the ability to reach through a man's chest and tear out his heart. I figured, why not?
Hawke: That could make you so much coin!
Fenris: As you and Isabela keep reminding me...

Modifié par Arquen, 09 août 2011 - 05:04 .

[BunnyisCthulhu]

Have you guys read aicosu's tumblr? She has relayed some of the answers Gaider gave on DA2 etc, one focuses on Fenris:

"- Did you get the sense that Danarius had a really sketchy (*cough* intimate *cough*) relationship with Fenris? Yeah, you weren’t exactly wrong…. :/"

http://tinyurl.com/4xc63um

[Reznore57]

Well if it turns out to be true , can i have my memories erased please?
I mean Danarius is ,well , maybe that explain the way he walks...

I'm gonna rewatch the scene when Fenris kills him in a victorious way and forget about the rest !

[Sinaxi]

Well. My opinion on Fenris' romance scene really has nothing to do with the context...because I just prefer being slammed into walls apparently. I have no idea why people see that scene as like some odd aggressive rape-thing or something. It was his instincts getting the better of him, Hawke grabbed him and he sort of just reacted in a natural Fenris way and then it took him a moment to realize he wasn't in any danger (and also probably realized how insanely close he was to Hawke at that point) I think if Hawke hadn't taken the first move though that Fenris would have felt bad about it and probably left (of course only to come back eventually later) but since Hawke is all "AMG MAKE OUT TIME" it takes the situation totally somewhere else.

But, that scene kind of...is meh because the animation is completely screwed up. I still prefer it though. Also, Danarius is just like a total weirdo. They gave him a female walking animation which is quite enough to freak me out. But let's not think about...and focus on this: