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[UrsulaCousland]

tankgirly wrote...

Wonder what would happen if Varric and Orghen met?

Or what about the epic brood-off between Fenris and Nathaniel? (I think I just got a fangirl nosebleed. Excuse me. )

(I know someone wrote a prompt fill about that a while back...)

ETA: Aaaaand yet again I get ToP.

Here you go, courtesy of Alsiony. Gonna go have another fangirl nosebleed. I think this is one of my favorite femHawke/Fenris arts yet. 

Modifié par UrsulaCousland, 10 août 2011 - 11:02 .

[Madame Rose Crimsynn]

tankgirly wrote...

<Snip>

by FightfortheLost

Hummmmmmph....yum....

@MRC, loyal gutter district resident. We will need to put this on our square as new poster.

Absolutely. 

@Ursula
I love that. 

It is so cute, but so nosebleed worthy.

[Off-topic]
Oh, and I went back and listened to the "arching boughs" audio for GW2, and there's no doubt in my mind-- that's Gideon Emery ("*Chokes on water* FENRIS?!" was actually the first thing I said after listening, and then rewinding and listening again). Sneaky guy is showing up in all the games I'm interested in. Not that I particularly mind-- that voice is still so yummy. 

I call that he'll probably be VA'ing a sylvari that will be a friend to your character on your character's personal story quests (if you're a sylvari). Because it'd be so sad if that character was just a passerby talking about how much we can learn from the "pale roots and arching boughs" of the Pale Tree. Or a member of the Nightmare Court (although I doubt a Nightmare Court would think the Pale Tree can be learned from-- at least, until they corrupt it).

[/off-topic]

[tsunderes]

Arquen wrote...


As for the Danarius thing... I have not weighed in on that yet since I'm still trying to figure out how I feel about it. It was very ambiguous ... "yeah.. you weren't exactly wrong." -- Well were we right about explicit sexual abuse or was it just short of that? Ambiguity makes my brain speculate to dark places which just makes me angry and frustrated and I end up wanting to punch a wall, LOL.

Also, what about what Fenris says to Female Hawke about how "If there was anyone before, I don't remember them..." We either throw that out as him deliberately omitting Danarius or we assume it wasn't technically sex. Again my brain and my psyche wince and I seriously feel ill thinking about these things. I'm going to assume and speculate that it was everything short of full on sex.

Still in my grieving process about it though. If it truly was *cough*intimate*cough* Then I am somewhere between denial, anger, and bargaining for Fenris. Seriously, my brain wanders to all those that were like "but he was a beloved Bodyguard, and didn't have it so bad!" -- I seriously get this overwhelming urge to punch something. I just feel if I start going to deep on the subject it just can't go anywhere good

I prefer to think of it that he was a pet, like a guard dog (hence his name) and was given the same affection a pet would be given. Like how you would stroke a dogs fur or something of that matter, so nothing sexual but still...since he's a elf (which is very human looking, and if thedas were real life would probably be a human) it's a creepy and off putting act.

In refference to your last paragraph, sometimes I wish the Danarius situation had had more grey area to it. he came off as evil to the bone and the only right decision was to kill him because he was some sort of super villian with demony ears. It would have been interesting if there had been some kind of twist to the situation that made it less black and white in terms of what the right decision was.

Modifié par tsunderes, 10 août 2011 - 11:50 .

[darkrose]

tsunderes wrote...

Arquen wrote...


As for the Danarius thing... I have not weighed in on that yet since I'm still trying to figure out how I feel about it. It was very ambiguous ... "yeah.. you weren't exactly wrong." -- Well were we right about explicit sexual abuse or was it just short of that? Ambiguity makes my brain speculate to dark places which just makes me angry and frustrated and I end up wanting to punch a wall, LOL.

Also, what about what Fenris says to Female Hawke about how "If there was anyone before, I don't remember them..." We either throw that out as him deliberately omitting Danarius or we assume it wasn't technically sex. Again my brain and my psyche wince and I seriously feel ill thinking about these things. I'm going to assume and speculate that it was everything short of full on sex.

Still in my grieving process about it though. If it truly was *cough*intimate*cough* Then I am somewhere between denial, anger, and bargaining for Fenris. Seriously, my brain wanders to all those that were like "but he was a beloved Bodyguard, and didn't have it so bad!" -- I seriously get this overwhelming urge to punch something. I just feel if I start going to deep on the subject it just can't go anywhere good

I prefer to think of it that he was a pet, like a guard dog (hence his name) and was given the same affection a pet would be given. Like how you would stroke a dogs fur or something of that matter, so nothing sexual but still...since he's a elf (which is very human looking, and if thedas were real life would probably be a human) it's a creepy and off putting act.

In refference to your last paragraph, sometimes I wish the Danarius situation had had more grey area to it. he came off as evil to the bone and the only right decision was to kill him because he was some sort of super villian with demony ears. It would have been interesting if there had been some kind of twist to the situation that made it less black and white in terms of what the right decision was.

One possibility is that when Danarius say "the lad is quite...skilled," he's implying something in order to ****** Hawke off. 

My fic canon is that if Danarius wanted sex, he had, according to Fenris, hundreds of slaves. Fenris was very expensive and very specialized; why risk anything with a slave who will be difficult to replace when you have plenty of others?

As far as making Danarius less black and white, I'm guessing he wasn't an important enough character to have much in the way of nuance. His sole function is to be the plot hook for Fenris. Why spend time developing a guy who has 3 minutes of actual screen time, especially since he's already starting at a moral negative because he's a slave owner?

[UrsulaCousland]

darkrose wrote...

One possibility is that when Danarius say "the lad is quite...skilled," he's implying something in order to ****** Hawke off. 

My fic canon is that if Danarius wanted sex, he had, according to Fenris, hundreds of slaves. Fenris was very expensive and very specialized; why risk anything with a slave who will be difficult to replace when you have plenty of others?

*snip*

This is how I've been approaching it in my fic as well. The more I think about it, the more I think I'm going to stick to the ambiguous and not take it as dark as it can go. 

Although one thing that I do wonder is that perhaps Danarius tried it once - and Fenris had a memory "moment" that turned him (quite understandably) hostile, to the point that Danarius might have nearly paid with his life (read: almost got himself phase-punched way too early for it to show in the story). One memory-wipe later, we have a still-depraved Magister whose self-preservation instinct has won out and Fenris who doesn't remember what happened.

I think I'm still sticking with my first statement, though. It's easier for me to deal with.

[Yankee23]

Arquen wrote...

I can't really consider any of the guides canon because they are most of the time extremely wrong. I think in the DA2 player's guide it says Fenris moves in with you. It is riddled with other such things that don't make sense or don't happen in game.

I take it all with a grain of salt, but when I was looking up Arcanum I got nothing. When I looked up Tevene I got a codex entry, a reference in The Calling, and that RPG guide which seems to stay true at least to the lore of Dragon Age. Therefore, I'm inclined to lean more toward Tevene.

As for the Danarius thing... I have not weighed in on that yet since I'm still trying to figure out how I feel about it. It was very ambiguous ... "yeah.. you weren't exactly wrong." -- Well were we right about explicit sexual abuse or was it just short of that? Ambiguity makes my brain speculate to dark places which just makes me angry and frustrated and I end up wanting to punch a wall, LOL.

Also, what about what Fenris says to Female Hawke about how "If there was anyone before, I don't remember them..." We either throw that out as him deliberately omitting Danarius or we assume it wasn't technically sex. Again my brain and my psyche wince and I seriously feel ill thinking about these things. I'm going to assume and speculate that it was everything short of full on sex.

Still in my grieving process about it though. If it truly was *cough*intimate*cough* Then I am somewhere between denial, anger, and bargaining for Fenris. Seriously, my brain wanders to all those that were like "but he was a beloved Bodyguard, and didn't have it so bad!" -- I seriously get this overwhelming urge to punch something. I just feel if I start going to deep on the subject it just can't go anywhere good.

However.... this cheers me up...
[sniped Denarius getting his just desserts]

I don't think the convo referenced above would necessarily rule out anything "*cough*intimate*cough*" going on. I think Fenris would deliberately omit Denarius there. That part of the convo comes from him saying he never felt close enough to anyone to tell them about his escape and the fog warriors and it goes on from there. I don't see how anything like that with Denarius belongs in a convo about closeness and trust...unless it was to to explain why he never let anyone that close.

Personally, since the comment is so cryptic and second hand, I'll wait to decide until we get something more firm as confirmation.

[SurrealSadi]

I love the "everyone together" art. Especially Cullen in the Corner with a F!Amell.

And why the hell is Alistair shirtless????

[UrsulaCousland]

SurrealSadi wrote...

I love the "everyone together" art. Especially Cullen in the Corner with a F!Amell.

And why the hell is Alistair shirtless????

Strip poker with Isabela?

And we already know what shirtless Alistair looks like!  I just wish we'd gotten to see the 'vision' for shirtless Fenris. Artist interpretations are nice and all, but....  

Modifié par UrsulaCousland, 11 août 2011 - 01:34 .

[Ineffable Igor]

darkrose wrote...

One possibility is that when Danarius say "the lad is quite...skilled," he's implying something in order to ****** Hawke off. 

My fic canon is that if Danarius wanted sex, he had, according to Fenris, hundreds of slaves. Fenris was very expensive and very specialized; why risk anything with a slave who will be difficult to replace when you have plenty of others?

*snip*

Sex wouldn't be the point though.  It's rape.  The point is domination.  It has nothing to do with physical pleasure and everything to do with taking away another's power.  Rape robs people of their control over themselves and what happens to them, it shames them, which seems like exactly the sort of thing someone like Danarius would do to keep Fenris in line.  It was certainly a common enough practice among slave owners in America before slavery was abolished.  It's a very basic way to assert dominance over another, thus why it happens so often in prisons and street gangs. 

Also, what would Danarius be risking by it?  Nothing, so far as he's concerned, it's not as if he's really damaging Fenris beyond the psychological repercussions and he wouldn't take those into account.  Fenris isn't a person to him, he's an animal, a pet.  Sure, he's an extremely valuable pet, but that wouldn't stop him anymore than it would stop an abusive pet owner from hitting an expensive pedigree dog.  I imagine he holds very much the same views about slaves as Vaughan from the City Elf Origin holds about elves.

The abuse may not have included actual sex, but there's no doubt in my mind now that it was sexual.

[Sealy]

I will believe the worst becaue I like my Fenris' to be damaged. I am that fan. Oh the angst, the glorious broken angst.  I am twisted, not in a "I touch my slaves way" , but in a "tell me all about your life as a slave so I can heal you"  I like to pile burdens on to my charcters, it's why I either rival the siblings or kill them off. No happy ending for anyone, huzzah!

...

I need help

Mostly to get rid of my new apparent addiction to the emoticons.

Modifié par Fleshdress, 11 août 2011 - 02:37 .

[darkrose]

Ineffable Igor wrote...

darkrose wrote...

One possibility is that when Danarius say "the lad is quite...skilled," he's implying something in order to ****** Hawke off. 

My fic canon is that if Danarius wanted sex, he had, according to Fenris, hundreds of slaves. Fenris was very expensive and very specialized; why risk anything with a slave who will be difficult to replace when you have plenty of others?

*snip*

Sex wouldn't be the point though.  It's rape.  The point is domination.  It has nothing to do with physical pleasure and everything to do with taking away another's power.  Rape robs people of their control over themselves and what happens to them, it shames them, which seems like exactly the sort of thing someone like Danarius would do to keep Fenris in line.  It was certainly a common enough practice among slave owners in America before slavery was abolished.  It's a very basic way to assert dominance over another, thus why it happens so often in prisons and street gangs.  

That is true, in general. However, if you look at say, the Roman Empire, very few masters would have considered having sex with a slave to be rape because they were expected to be sexually available if the master wanted it. As far as reinforcing his control, well, Danarius already had the most intimate control possible over Fenris: he completely controlled his mind.

Also, what would Danarius be risking by it?  Nothing, so far as he's concerned, it's not as if he's really damaging Fenris beyond the psychological repercussions and he wouldn't take those into account.  Fenris isn't a person to him, he's an animal, a pet.  Sure, he's an extremely valuable pet, but that wouldn't stop him anymore than it would stop an abusive pet owner from hitting an expensive pedigree dog.  I imagine he holds very much the same views about slaves as Vaughan from the City Elf Origin holds about elves.

In the Roman Empire, slaves were considered essentially sentient tools. That's what I was envisioning: Danarius had specific tools for specific purposes. Using Fenris for sex would be like using a Henckel knife as a box-cutter; sure, you could do it, but why? Fenris' purpose was to kill his master's enemies and to serve as a visible symbol of Danarius' wealth and power. 

The abuse may not have included actual sex, but there's no doubt in my mind now that it was sexual. 

Despite everything I just said, I'd be surprised if it wasn't, just because the DA writers frequently use rape and sexual abuse as backstory. But absent official canon, I think you can make a case for things being otherwise. For all we know, Danarius could have had zero interest in having sex with a man, free or not.

[darkrose]

UrsulaCousland wrote...

darkrose wrote...

One possibility is that when Danarius say "the lad is quite...skilled," he's implying something in order to ****** Hawke off. 

My fic canon is that if Danarius wanted sex, he had, according to Fenris, hundreds of slaves. Fenris was very expensive and very specialized; why risk anything with a slave who will be difficult to replace when you have plenty of others?

*snip*

This is how I've been approaching it in my fic as well. The more I think about it, the more I think I'm going to stick to the ambiguous and not take it as dark as it can go. 

Although one thing that I do wonder is that perhaps Danarius tried it once - and Fenris had a memory "moment" that turned him (quite understandably) hostile, to the point that Danarius might have nearly paid with his life (read: almost got himself phase-punched way too early for it to show in the story). One memory-wipe later, we have a still-depraved Magister whose self-preservation instinct has won out and Fenris who doesn't remember what happened.

I think I'm still sticking with my first statement, though. It's easier for me to deal with.

I kind of prefer that there was no sexual abuse, simply because I feel strongly that it's overused as backstory, both in the games and in the fandom. Even if Danarius never had any kind of sexual contact, he'd already done far worse, in my opinion, by getting inside Fenris' head to the point where Fenris will kill his friends because his master tells him to.

Modifié par darkrose, 11 août 2011 - 03:12 .

[Dr. Doctor]

I always took the "he is quite skilled isn't he?" as Danarius admiring his work. I mean after spending a great deal of money on turning your body guard into a combination of Hellboy and Kitty Pryde it would make sense that he would boast about his invention.

Of course clarification would have been nice.

The Hanged Man

Danarius: The lad is quite skilled isn't he?

Isabela: (oblivious to the fact that the mage is Danarius) I know! That whole magical fisting thing is great for spicing things up.

Danarius: Well that wasn't what I had intended for it to be used for.

Isabela: Oh, so you're that Magister Fenris is always going on about. Denarian, Daenerys, Damian....

Danarius: Denarius.

Isabela: That's it! So you're a Magister right? I have a question for you. Is it true that you Tevinters keep your slaves oiled so they glisten? Did Fenris glisten for you?

Danarius: What?

Isabela: Do I have do draw you a picture? Fenris covered in oil. Glistening in the noon-day sun? Did that ever happen?

Danarius: Of all of the inane things I have heard I never- (looks down to see Fenris' fist phased through his chest and then drops to the floor)

Fenris: You are no longer my master.

Isabela:  (sighs) Oh Fenris, he was about to answer my question.

[UrsulaCousland]

darkrose wrote...

UrsulaCousland wrote...

darkrose wrote...

One possibility is that when Danarius say "the lad is quite...skilled," he's implying something in order to ****** Hawke off. 

My fic canon is that if Danarius wanted sex, he had, according to Fenris, hundreds of slaves. Fenris was very expensive and very specialized; why risk anything with a slave who will be difficult to replace when you have plenty of others?

*snip*

This is how I've been approaching it in my fic as well. The more I think about it, the more I think I'm going to stick to the ambiguous and not take it as dark as it can go. 

Although one thing that I do wonder is that perhaps Danarius tried it once - and Fenris had a memory "moment" that turned him (quite understandably) hostile, to the point that Danarius might have nearly paid with his life (read: almost got himself phase-punched way too early for it to show in the story). One memory-wipe later, we have a still-depraved Magister whose self-preservation instinct has won out and Fenris who doesn't remember what happened.

I think I'm still sticking with my first statement, though. It's easier for me to deal with.

I kind of prefer that there was no sexual abuse, simply because I feel strongly that it's overused as backstory, both in the games and in the fandom. Even if Danarius never had any kind of sexual contact, he'd already done far worse, in my opinion, by getting inside Fenris' head to the point where Fenris will kill his friends because his master tells him to.

Can you tell I've been dwelling on this a bit? *sigh*

I definitely agree on the first bolded point; that has been head!canon, and I had actually dropped a sexual situation from the canon backstory for Hawke for the exact same reason you state here. Your second point speaks to the fact that he will (with a lot of liquid courage) elaborate on the Fog Warriors, and that, at least as Fenris tells it, that is the moment that he realized just how pervasive that control was, and it seems to be one of the more traumatic moments for him the way it's presented in-game.

At any rate, personally, I've decided to continue on as I had originally planned, where things like the Fog Warriors' slaughter are the real source of most of Fenris's trauma and dropping the sexual abuse/exploitation angle. Maybe it's 'hand waving', but it makes my personal interpretation of events more consistent with what I had in mind and am enjoying as headcanon/fic territory. And, if the head!canon stops being fun, or is just depressing, it's not really (for me), worth pursuing. Besides, Maker knows that Fenris has lots of other reasons to be the broody angster he starts out as.

YMMV of course.

Modifié par UrsulaCousland, 11 août 2011 - 04:25 .

[Ryzaki]

darkrose wrote...
I kind of prefer that there was no sexual abuse, simply because I feel strongly that it's overused as backstory, both in the games and in the fandom. Even if Danarius never had any kind of sexual contact, he'd already done far worse, in my opinion, by getting inside Fenris' head to the point where Fenris will kill his friends because his master tells him to.

Agreed. 

[Ineffable Igor]

darkrose wrote...

That is true, in general. However, if you look at say, the Roman Empire, very few masters would have considered having sex with a slave to be rape because they were expected to be sexually available if the master wanted it. As far as reinforcing his control, well, Danarius already had the most intimate control possible over Fenris: he completely controlled his mind.

This comparison is a somewhat complex concept that I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around, but I will take a whack at it...

Just because they didn't consider it to be rape doesn't mean it wasn't.  It was the exertion and enforcement of control over others through psycological and sexual exploitation.  Mind-rape, if you will, resulting in sexual activity. It's sort of the reverse of what I suggested: psychological control leading to sexual abuse, as opposed to sexual abuse leading to mind control.  Either way, the slave has been brainwashed. 

The question this leads me to is how exactly someone like Danarius, who appears to be a sadist who greatly enjoys tormenting those under him, would choose to take complete control of someone's mind.  Post-ritual Fenris is blank slate, memory-wise, which makes him especially vulnerable to mind control.  So Danarius has the option to either gain control through manipulation and traumatic psychosexual abuse, or through treating Fenris like an object to be used and abused as he sees fit, not necessarily in a sexual manner.  Given what we see of Danarius's character and the in-game context Fenris presents us with (remember the Qunari style leash Fenris mentions in "Bait and Switch"?), the former scenario seems far more likely, IMHO, assuming we are only working with those two scenarios.  It should also be noted that Tevinter culture (concerning slaves) would have an impact on Danarius's thought process regarding this, but as canon info on that front is thin on the ground, all we really have to work with is how Danarius behaves and what little Fenris describes of his past.

If that made any sense.  I have been thinking about this way too hard. 

In the Roman Empire, slaves were considered essentially sentient tools. That's what I was envisioning: Danarius had specific tools for specific purposes. Using Fenris for sex would be like using a Henckel knife as a box-cutter; sure, you could do it, but why? Fenris' purpose was to kill his master's enemies and to serve as a visible symbol of Danarius' wealth and power. 

I don't really feel like that sort of situation would produce a pair like Fenris and Danarius, though.  In a situation where Fenris was a tool, I very much doubt that Danarius would treat him the way he does.  He'd be much more matter of fact about it and far less chiding during "Alone", more "Right, got my symbol of power back, let's go home" and less "Bad puppy!  Come back to Master now." 

I suppose it just depends on what sort of slavery situation different people envision for Tevinter.  Given the general lack of canon about that, it's hard to make an assessment.  Still, if the sexual abuse is canon, which seems to have been confirmed (I say "seems" as it wasn't a straight up "Fenris was sexually abused by Danarius"), it simply makes more sense in my mind that slaves there are seen more as servile animals than as tools with a specific purpose.  In the former scenario, sexual abuse as a method of keeping slaves down makes sense.

Despite everything I just said, I'd be surprised if it wasn't, just because the DA writers frequently use rape and sexual abuse as backstory. But absent official canon, I think you can make a case for things being otherwise. For all we know, Danarius could have had zero interest in having sex with a man, free or not.

True.  I feel that without confirmation, both sides can make solid arguments on the subject.  Thus why I have been a fence sitter in the past.  If this is Word of God, however, I will happily stick to canon, even if sexual abuse has been overused as a backstory plot device.  I feel that it is an appropriate, even realistic aspect to the backstory of a slave and adds further complexity to the development of Fenris's relationship with Hawke, but as always, YMMV.

Modifié par Ineffable Igor, 11 août 2011 - 05:54 .

[Ryzaki]

True. Huh. Makes the M!Hawke aggressive rival mage x Fenris dynamic creepy to me. Ah well. Makes it more interesting if Fenris still has some attachment issues to Danarius and is trying to use Hawke to satisfy them.   

Modifié par Ryzaki, 11 août 2011 - 06:29 .

[Sealy]

Ryzaki wrote...

True. Huh. Makes the M!Hawke aggressive rival mage x Fenris dynamic creepy to me. Ah well. Makes it more interesting if Fenris still has some attachment issues to Danarius and is trying to use Hawke to satisfy them.   

 Thanks Ryzaki. Right in the middle of my rival romance pt with a mage Hawke and now that reason is in my brain. Perfect.

[Ryzaki]

Fleshdress wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

True. Huh. Makes the M!Hawke aggressive rival mage x Fenris dynamic creepy to me. Ah well. Makes it more interesting if Fenris still has some attachment issues to Danarius and is trying to use Hawke to satisfy them.   

 Thanks Ryzaki. Right in the middle of my rival romance pt with a mage Hawke and now that reason is in my brain. Perfect.

I do my best.  

I am luckily on a new DAO playthrough. So by the time I'm finished me and my short memory will have forgotten about it. 

[Arquen]

Ughh, I was afraid of this discussion popping up. It takes me to dark places where I have to remove myself and be an objective observer in order to mentally process these things, LOL.

Basically, we can assume that since Tevinter is based off of ancient roman culture the slavery and slave culture is probably most like Ancient Rome as well. Except with the dark twist that everyone pretty much uses blood magic.

Danarius being a blood mage, a magister, and a general creeper I am reminded of the interesting tidbit in the wiki that "The ancient magister lords ruled the Imperium as a group, maintaining a tight hold over its people through the power to infiltrate their dreams using Blood Magic. Though blood magic is now banned in the Imperium, some mages are quietly acknowledged as the most proficient dream-walkers and diviners."

So when Fenris speaks about Hadrianna "hounding his sleep" -- brings a whole new meaning to that. Likewise, Danarius would have no reason (other than absolute perversion) to sexually abuse Fenris for dominance/power. He doesn't need to bring in a sexual element unless it is simply because he feels perversely toward Fenris. The information we are still missing (even after that comment) is whether or not Danarius and Fenris actually had sex (I feel sick typing this).

Abuse is pretty much inferred and suggested and there wouldn't be the kind of psychological repercussions and physical reactions if Fenris was just some beloved, valued, pet. Whether it is sexual abuse in addition to physical and psychological is the question. Pretty much we can assume that *cough*intimate*cough* at least involves some inappropriate intimate situations (brain going to dark places at the possibilities... brain bleeeacchh!) even if it isn't full on sex/rape.

As for Danarius there really wasn't any other way to write him. He is an adversary with no redeeming qualities. There is no justification for what he did to Fenris, and so why bother trying to make him seem as if he does have anything worth caring about? He doesn't need sexual abuse to keep his slaves in line since he is a magister and has blood magic. However, the suggestion of intimate nature just leads me to believe he was a creeper for Fenris and probably initiated *cough*intimate*cough* situations because he is just perverse not because there was a need for it to keep control.

The scene with female Hawke is still about sex. She specifically says ... "you mean you've never..." and he says "If there was someone else, I have no memory of them.." Then he goes on to say "I never thought I needed anyone. Or wanted anyone. Until now..." So while the general conversation is about trust/want/lust that statement is clearly about sex. Now yeah he wouldn't exactly bring up "well my master had sex with me if that counts" inappropriate and shocking, so yeah he could have just omitted it. He could simply not remember it. The memory wipes could have happened to him many times for all we know. Yet, I don't think he would have said something like that unless the actual sex didn't exist. Otherwise why even say this at all? If anything it would just lead to bringing up more horrible memories. Still, he refuses to have sex with Hawke that night so THAT can be interpreted from anything from because he is just being cautious and self preserving to he's been sexually abused and so doesn't want to initiate any kind of intimate contact.

[ReiSilver]

Fleshdress wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

True. Huh. Makes the M!Hawke aggressive rival mage x Fenris dynamic creepy to me. Ah well. Makes it more interesting if Fenris still has some attachment issues to Danarius and is trying to use Hawke to satisfy them.   

 Thanks Ryzaki. Right in the middle of my rival romance pt with a mage Hawke and now that reason is in my brain. Perfect.

Kind of why I always like sarcastic Hawke in that situation since a lot of the purple lines are self depricating, it helps my head-canon of my Mage Hawke encouraging Fenris to take control and so on.

I remember a while back we were talking about how the wall-slam scene could go differently for different personality Hawkes. My Marric Hawke would certainly be more the type to pull Fenris back to him with his own back against the wall rather then what happens in the scene that leaves Fenris looking a bit... trapped, and that's the last thing my Hawke wants Fenris to feel

speaking of which I came to link my sketch and got caught up in the heavy slave abuse talk...
so on a lighter note:
Marric(m!Hawke) and Fenris pillow talk, Fenris teasing Hawke about his facial hair (probably NSFW but nothing explicit, just two guys in bed)

[Sealy]

Ryzaki wrote...

Fleshdress wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

True. Huh. Makes the M!Hawke aggressive rival mage x Fenris dynamic creepy to me. Ah well. Makes it more interesting if Fenris still has some attachment issues to Danarius and is trying to use Hawke to satisfy them.   

 Thanks Ryzaki. Right in the middle of my rival romance pt with a mage Hawke and now that reason is in my brain. Perfect.

I do my best.  

I am luckily on a new DAO playthrough. So by the time I'm finished me and my short memory will have forgotten about it. 

Oh trust me I have a good memory, I am more then happy to be here the day you start again and return this favour.

ReiSilver:

D'awww now I am a disgusting pool of goo. I agree,lots of my Hawkes are doms cause I fell into the stereotype of tall guys being dom a while ago and my brain often doesn't have enough imagination to make the body type diff, my sarcastic headcanon Hawke is a come in and sit on poor fens lap kinda sub, which would probably get him a quick trip to the floor.

Actually I wonder what everyone thinks. Is Fen a PDA type of guy or more shy in public?
 

In stories he is always irritated and shy in public but I have always seen him as very touchy feely. His in public romance scenes are very sweet. He doesn't seem shy about that whole scene after Danarius but that may have more to do with the rampant emotions.

Edit: I have no idea why I thought DPS instead of PDA, I don't even know what DPS stands for.

Brain

Modifié par Fleshdress, 11 août 2011 - 07:17 .

[Ryzaki]

Fleshdress wrote...
Oh trust me I have a good memory, I am more then happy to be here the day you start again and return this favour. 

Oh noes. 

And Danarius walking like a woman doesn't make it any less gross. 

[Sealy]

Ryzaki wrote...

Fleshdress wrote...
Oh trust me I have a good memory, I am more then happy to be here the day you start again and return this favour. 

Oh noes. 

And Danarius walking like a woman doesn't make it any less gross. 

Actually...

Fen might be huge! Now Danarius can never walk normal again.

Nope... still gross

Arquen wrote...

As for Danarius there really wasn't any other way to write him. He is an adversary with no redeeming qualities. There is no justification for what he did to Fenris, and so why bother trying to make him seem as if he does have anything worth caring about? He doesn't need sexual abuse to keep his slaves in line since he is a magister and has blood magic. However, the suggestion of intimate nature just leads me to believe he was a creeper for Fenris and probably initiated *cough*intimate*cough* situations because he is just perverse not because there was a need for it to keep control.
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Agreed. I don't see any redeeming way to write him either, give him a mother murdered by elves and wife, two kids and a puppy. The guy is dead the moment he came for Fen, nothing excuses... nope the more I bring it up the more ill I feel. Man I thought bioware was hard on the fans of the male elves, they are much harder on the male elves themselves. One is raised in a **** house and then sold to an assassin guild where he is taught to mantain those talents. The other is a slave to a creepy tevinter magister who was apparently *cough*intimate*cough* with him (ambiguously but still.) then branded him, wiped his memory and made him kill people. Eesh Bioware, what did the elves do to you?

Modifié par Fleshdress, 11 août 2011 - 07:31 .

[Ryzaki]

Fleshdress wrote...
Actually...

Fen might be huge! Now Danarius can never walk normal again.

Nope... still gross

 

...I laughed but yeah...still gross.  

Danarius is a creeper. 

Though it does explain why (along with the pain caused by the lyrium markings) Fenris can't stand being touched. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 11 août 2011 - 07:23 .