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Arquen wrote...
I LMAO at the Fenris silly pic spam. The *deal with it* one is my favorite. Oh Oh I have one too....

*digs in bag of Fen stuff*

[snip greatswords and glasses]

Also as an added bonus... Carver, LOL.

Fenris reminds me oddly of Horatio(spelling?). Posted Image and Carver's a bit of a sidekick back there...
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And the reason why I asked for screens of Zev(found some on my own anyway):

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My two favorite elves. -sighs blissfully-

Although Fenris's face in that reminds me of Pinnochio for some strange reason o.O

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The panel about Fenris made me sad.

Everything else was hilarious though. :lol: 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 août 2011 - 03:16 .


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Ryzaki wrote...

The panel about Fenris made me sad.

Everything else was hilarious though. :lol: 


Yeah...that, and I'm bummed that Nate didn't sub for Sebastion. Fenris might have had competition then, or at least I might gravitate to more than 1 of the guys! :P If there's a companion I wish you could romance but can't, it's Nathaniel.

And, I *love* that 'Deal with it' and the Fen/Carver caption. Great stuff!

Back to  serious discussion of Fenris for a moment. I'm gonna bring Varania up one last time (sorry!), because I had a bit of a revelation about that situation last night. We can blame this on the Dragon Age Wiki; I believed I had maxed Fenris Friendship by the end of Act 1 and I was trying to double-check that just for S&G. Since he's usually pegged at least by early Act 2 (even if I play Conflicted Aniya correctly, which I just did on reload, which means not maxing friendship gain), I never knew you took irreversible rivalry for having him spare her. (I've taken rivalry from Varric that I've at least partially reversed regarding Bartrand, which is why I looked.)

That got my little brain thinking, and I may wind up changing canon because of it. Mostly because if the way I consider the friendmance with Aniya, she's all about getting him to get as far away from the slave mentality as he can. If that means leaving the decision about Varania up to Fenris, and possibly dealing with damage control later, then so be it. Freely-made choices have consequences that have to be faced; you can't just shunt the pain off on what you were if you made the decision yourself.  If I want to be true to that philosophy and roleplay correctly, Varania has to die, at least in this playthrough.

I'm ok with that.

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Arquen wrote...

*snip*

Perhaps that will be my next project. I'm better at portrait styles though. I don't know if bloody/gory/angry shots are something I can do. A good challenge perhaps.



Oh, if the urge takes you, please do! I wish I could draw a straight line with a ruler, so I love seeing what others do with it. :)

Arquen wrote..
Been sickly today but I couldn't leave my Fenris thread without at least one post for the day!


Ugh, feel better soon!

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Fleshdress wrote...

Yah the friendmance is fantastic, I like seeing Fenris really sweet and happy, and not telling me I'll be the death of him. Especially because right after that scene I always, always go battle the high dragon and I don't know what it is with dragons thinking of elves like catnip (dragonnip?) but he pretty much spends the entire fight "distracting" the dragon by playing chew toy. I really may be the death of him. Had the same problem with Zev too. 

But I love rivalmance (in stories) with everything so on edge, angry and sweet. Nothing like the guy you hate to love falling in battle and having to oscillate between yelling at them for getting to far ahead and worrying that they might die.


I prefer the Friendmance with Fenris as well for the same reasons. :wub:  It's nice to see the soft side of Fenris. 

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jamesp81 wrote...

I never really liked the guy personally, but I did like having him around for a few reasons.

One is the way I could always count on him to come with me to kill some slavers. He's a complete dick where mages are concerned and I don't appreciate the way he treated Bethany or Merrill. I know that some players sold him back to Danarius for that. I would never do that. He might be an ass, but some things just aren't done and that's one of them. When it comes to slavers, his kill 'em all attitude is the right response.

I also like that he sort of broke a fantasy mold a little bit about elves. The Dalish are very traditional fantasy-setting elves. They tend towards magical talents and their soldiers favor light armor, light weapons, and speed. But not Fenris. He shows up in heavy plate with a big assed sword, ready to wreck the place.


That's true.  Fenris does step out of that mold.  It's one of the reason I like him.

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omearaee wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

I never really liked the guy personally, but I did like having him around for a few reasons.

One is the way I could always count on him to come with me to kill some slavers. He's a complete dick where mages are concerned and I don't appreciate the way he treated Bethany or Merrill. I know that some players sold him back to Danarius for that. I would never do that. He might be an ass, but some things just aren't done and that's one of them. When it comes to slavers, his kill 'em all attitude is the right response.

I also like that he sort of broke a fantasy mold a little bit about elves. The Dalish are very traditional fantasy-setting elves. They tend towards magical talents and their soldiers favor light armor, light weapons, and speed. But not Fenris. He shows up in heavy plate with a big assed sword, ready to wreck the place.


That's true.  Fenris does step out of that mold.  It's one of the reason I like him.


Indeed. When he was first announced I was expecting yet another rogue. I am very glad to be proven wrong. (And IMO he's the best tank - Aveline can't do squat for damage, so I save her for tougher boss fights.)

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UrsulaCousland wrote...

omearaee wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

I never really liked the guy personally, but I did like having him around for a few reasons.

One is the way I could always count on him to come with me to kill some slavers. He's a complete dick where mages are concerned and I don't appreciate the way he treated Bethany or Merrill. I know that some players sold him back to Danarius for that. I would never do that. He might be an ass, but some things just aren't done and that's one of them. When it comes to slavers, his kill 'em all attitude is the right response.

I also like that he sort of broke a fantasy mold a little bit about elves. The Dalish are very traditional fantasy-setting elves. They tend towards magical talents and their soldiers favor light armor, light weapons, and speed. But not Fenris. He shows up in heavy plate with a big assed sword, ready to wreck the place.


That's true.  Fenris does step out of that mold.  It's one of the reason I like him.


Indeed. When he was first announced I was expecting yet another rogue. I am very glad to be proven wrong. (And IMO he's the best tank - Aveline can't do squat for damage, so I save her for tougher boss fights.)


Aveline seldom gets to leave the barracks for the same reason.  Fenris does a fine job of drawing aggo. And I just like having him around!

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omearaee wrote...

Fleshdress wrote...

Yah the friendmance is fantastic, I like seeing Fenris really sweet and happy, and not telling me I'll be the death of him. Especially because right after that scene I always, always go battle the high dragon and I don't know what it is with dragons thinking of elves like catnip (dragonnip?) but he pretty much spends the entire fight "distracting" the dragon by playing chew toy. I really may be the death of him. Had the same problem with Zev too. 

But I love rivalmance (in stories) with everything so on edge, angry and sweet. Nothing like the guy you hate to love falling in battle and having to oscillate between yelling at them for getting to far ahead and worrying that they might die.


I prefer the Friendmance with Fenris as well for the same reasons. :wub:  It's nice to see the soft side of Fenris. 


Heh, I like the rivalmance better for exactly those reasons in bold.  There's something really sweet about two people realizing that even though they rarely see eye to eye, they have what's really important in common.  It really emphasizes the sweet moments in the romance too, like right at the end of "Alone" when Hawke can say "I'm here Fenris."  It's like "Well, we can barely agree on anything and you left me three years ago, but I still care about you and I'll always have your back, no matter what".  <3

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Trying to rival mance him right now. I always flinch when I know a yelling scene is coming up. I had no idea if you actually go through with telling him you are going to take Orana as a slave instead of giving in that you can't offer to pay her. I didn't want to keep her as a slave so my mama Hawke sent her to the chantry. Oops.

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Fleshdress wrote...

Trying to rival mance him right now. I always flinch when I know a yelling scene is coming up. I had no idea if you actually go through with telling him you are going to take Orana as a slave instead of giving in that you can't offer to pay her. I didn't want to keep her as a slave so my mama Hawke sent her to the chantry. Oops.


You avoid her being sent to the chantry by making her a paid servant. 

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Aveline seldom gets to leave the barracks for the same reason.  Fenris does a fine job of drawing aggo. And I just like having him around!


Fenris + Aveline with the Vanguard path maxed out + mage!Hawke with Haste. Have Fen and Aveline use Assail and Cleave and then cast Haste. Fighting with that is like watching someone mow a lawn. Except the lawn mowers are swords. And the grass is the broken and battered bodies of the enemy.

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Dr. Doctor wrote...

Carmen_Willow wrote...
Aveline seldom gets to leave the barracks for the same reason.  Fenris does a fine job of drawing aggo. And I just like having him around!


Fenris + Aveline with the Vanguard path maxed out + mage!Hawke with Haste. Have Fen and Aveline use Assail and Cleave and then cast Haste. Fighting with that is like watching someone mow a lawn. Except the lawn mowers are swords. And the grass is the broken and battered bodies of the enemy.


LOL I will definitely give this a try some time.  Sounds like fun!

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Ryzaki wrote...

Fleshdress wrote...

Trying to rival mance him right now. I always flinch when I know a yelling scene is coming up. I had no idea if you actually go through with telling him you are going to take Orana as a slave instead of giving in that you can't offer to pay her. I didn't want to keep her as a slave so my mama Hawke sent her to the chantry. Oops.


You avoid her being sent to the chantry by making her a paid servant. 

 
I know and I tried but the I am going to pay you option didn't come up. It was very strange. I only got the You can't stay here option, then she asks where she is hoing to go and you can let your mom take care of it, you can give her money and make her leave and I can't remember the last one but I think it was pretty cruel.

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Dr. Doctor wrote...

Carmen_Willow wrote...
Aveline seldom gets to leave the barracks for the same reason.  Fenris does a fine job of drawing aggo. And I just like having him around!


Fenris + Aveline with the Vanguard path maxed out + mage!Hawke with Haste. Have Fen and Aveline use Assail and Cleave and then cast Haste. Fighting with that is like watching someone mow a lawn. Except the lawn mowers are swords. And the grass is the broken and battered bodies of the enemy.

Can you do the same with a S&S Hawke while you control someone else?

#43142
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SurrealSadi wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Carmen_Willow wrote...
Aveline seldom gets to leave the barracks for the same reason.  Fenris does a fine job of drawing aggo. And I just like having him around!


Fenris + Aveline with the Vanguard path maxed out + mage!Hawke with Haste. Have Fen and Aveline use Assail and Cleave and then cast Haste. Fighting with that is like watching someone mow a lawn. Except the lawn mowers are swords. And the grass is the broken and battered bodies of the enemy.

Can you do the same with a S&S Hawke while you control someone else?


Yes, Anders can cast Haste on the party. I use a S&S Hawke with the Berzerker and Reaver spec along with Vanguard.

Using  Assail, Cleave, and Sacrificial Frenzy before engaging an enemy increases damage dealt by 250% with the Blade of A Thousand Battles, Primeval Lyrium Rune, Barrage, and Haste in use Hawke swings 137% faster than normal. If you have the Reaver's  Fervor ability added killing an enemy will increase the total speed boost to 167% faster than standard swing speed.

See that Qunari mage over there? Yeah that one that does the shiny disco ball of death thing. With this set up you can tear that smug look off of his face at mach speed.

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Fleshdress wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Fleshdress wrote...

Trying to rival mance him right now. I always flinch when I know a yelling scene is coming up. I had no idea if you actually go through with telling him you are going to take Orana as a slave instead of giving in that you can't offer to pay her. I didn't want to keep her as a slave so my mama Hawke sent her to the chantry. Oops.


You avoid her being sent to the chantry by making her a paid servant. 

 
I know and I tried but the I am going to pay you option didn't come up. It was very strange. I only got the You can't stay here option, then she asks where she is hoing to go and you can let your mom take care of it, you can give her money and make her leave and I can't remember the last one but I think it was pretty cruel.


That's...very odd. It always came up for me. You use all the investigate options? 

Must be a glitch. 

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omearaee wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

I never really liked the guy personally, but I did like having him around for a few reasons.

One is the way I could always count on him to come with me to kill some slavers. He's a complete dick where mages are concerned and I don't appreciate the way he treated Bethany or Merrill. I know that some players sold him back to Danarius for that. I would never do that. He might be an ass, but some things just aren't done and that's one of them. When it comes to slavers, his kill 'em all attitude is the right response.

I also like that he sort of broke a fantasy mold a little bit about elves. The Dalish are very traditional fantasy-setting elves. They tend towards magical talents and their soldiers favor light armor, light weapons, and speed. But not Fenris. He shows up in heavy plate with a big assed sword, ready to wreck the place.


That's true.  Fenris does step out of that mold.  It's one of the reason I like him.


I have speak in defence of the Dalish here. Some of the Dalish warriors in DA2 are wearing equivalent of full chain mail. In Witch Hunt you can travel with Ariane who is a dual weilding warrior sporting two long swords.
Fenris is wearing leather armor with a chest plate and gauntlets, using speed and strength, it's hardly full or heavy plate.
The Dalish have a lot that make them unique in the world of fantasy elves. They aren't all-knowing and perfect, they barely know any of their old language, they are vulnerable, live life on the run and most humans think they're savages. They have a very unique culture that they continually fight to keep and reclaim, etching the mark of their pantheon onto their faces for all to see

I just dislike the tendency I see where people see a elf touching a bow and living anywhere near trees and automatically file them under cliche-elves

which isn't to say I don't love that Fenris is our resident two-handed warrior (was going to post the fanart of Fenris weilding an axe yelling "Where is your god now!?" but I can't find it.... so instead: )

fan art by calisto-lynn on deviantart
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tankgirly wrote...

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Very nice!

Since I can't draw to save my life...I found this amusing. Fenris was taller than Hawke for a change. Posted Image

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Oooooo I love that Fenris pic. Also, sup guys.....

At work but wanted to chime in. Its funny how people see Fenris as not so much a cliché elf, but a lot of people see him as cliché emo, angst, final fantasy reject. So really you don't win against cliché.

Personally I want to punch something when I see that as a reason to dislike something. People have their biases though so that is how it is. The best argument I have seen for not liking Fenris is because his personal story seems irrelevant to the main plot. Its hard to defend Danarius as fitting in with Templars/mages. Either way I love the character enough to not really care about this, but it is the only reason that I can understand people not liking him for.

As for the dalish I intend to agree with Rei. They aren't much like high fantasy Tolkien elves or anything. They are rather unique actually as elves go. Not immortal, not respected, just surviving in a world that doesn't seem to want them. Its an interesting take on it.

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Anyone know if the LI Fenris dialogue in Legacy is working? Have waited to play it till...might just have to suffer through my first run of it with my Anders LI. :(

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Ryzaki wrote...

Fleshdress wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Fleshdress wrote...

Trying to rival mance him right now. I always flinch when I know a yelling scene is coming up. I had no idea if you actually go through with telling him you are going to take Orana as a slave instead of giving in that you can't offer to pay her. I didn't want to keep her as a slave so my mama Hawke sent her to the chantry. Oops.


You avoid her being sent to the chantry by making her a paid servant. 

 
I know and I tried but the I am going to pay you option didn't come up. It was very strange. I only got the You can't stay here option, then she asks where she is hoing to go and you can let your mom take care of it, you can give her money and make her leave and I can't remember the last one but I think it was pretty cruel.


That's...very odd. It always came up for me. You use all the investigate options? 

Must be a glitch. 


Holy crap! I didn't even know you could send her away. In my last game I was a little O.o because I either didn't get the option to tell her she'd be paid or I missed it. Then I was thoroughly confused because she disappeared from Hawke's house. I was wondering if I had some sort of a bug and where she had gotten off to! Posted Image

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Arquen wrote...

Oooooo I love that Fenris pic. Also, sup guys.....

At work but wanted to chime in. Its funny how people see Fenris as not so much a cliché elf, but a lot of people see him as cliché emo, angst, final fantasy reject. So really you don't win against cliché.

Personally I want to punch something when I see that as a reason to dislike something. People have their biases though so that is how it is. The best argument I have seen for not liking Fenris is because his personal story seems irrelevant to the main plot. Its hard to defend Danarius as fitting in with Templars/mages. Either way I love the character enough to not really care about this, but it is the only reason that I can understand people not liking him for.

*Snip*


Those reasons for dislike irritate me as well.  Particularly the Final Fantasy/JRPG thing.  I'd be more understanding if there were no explaination for why he looks so outlandish, but there is, it's a major part of his background.  And beyond the fact that he has the lyrium lines and his hair has gone white (I have always been intensely curious about the hair and why it is that way, speaking of which) he just looks like any other elf, albeit a rather attractive one (Why is there no smirking emoticon?  I need one).

The "He lacks plot relevence" argument people have for not liking him makes much more sense.  I can see where they're coming from and I think they are perfectly justified in their opinion, even if I don't share it.  Personally I feel Fenris does have plot relevence, though in a much more abstract sense than, say, Anders or Varric.  He's there as an example of what horrible atrocities mages are capable of, just as Anders is there to show you how much damage the templars have done.  Both are there to make the player question their decisions regarding the main issue of the plot as they play through (though I think Fenris does this a bit more than Anders since he comes to the table with a more controversial viewpoint, by modern standards (I really could have done with some characters like them in Origins, actually, you're never presented with any good argument for why what you're doing may not really be the best decision, everyone's too busy telling you how great you are)).  Still, I can totally understand why some people would rather have a character who is, to some degree, a plot device than a character who's essentially just there to give perspective.

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