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[ReiSilver]

Arquen wrote...

I completely agree about the Fenris dialogue after Leandra. In fact I find it exactly what my Hawkes want to hear most of the time. They don't want "sorry for your loss," and explanations of why's and platitudes. They just want someone there. Someone they care about.

When he says: "To be honest I don't see much point in filling these moments with idle talk." I completely agree. When a tragic event like that occurs there really isn't anything to say. It is just enough to know that he comes by and tries. That is enough for my Hawkes.

The first time I played through All That Remains was with Fenris rivalmance. I was kind of blown away by Fenris response to "Is it my fault?"

"I could say 'no' but, would that help? You are looking for forgiveness, but I'm not the one who can give it to you."

Just wow, I was not expecting that, but it was so true. Hawke was looking for someone to say no it isn't your fault, because everyone looks to Hawke to fix things so if things go wrong he does take it personally and if there was anyone that would tell him honestly if he was to blame it would be Fenris, but even if everyone in the party had reassured him of that, would it really have stopped him feeling guilty? ....Fenris, how are you so wise? You know all of the things

I kind of wish you could get that dialogue but still have him sit down with Hawke... it's always a bit of a toss up because I love that line so much. (then I imagine all this sad awkwardness as Hawke tries to express that he needs a hug or some form of physical contact but knows Fenris has issues with touch and gaaaahhhh I love Fenris/Hawke and their dysfunction junction so much ;_

Edit for top page art of Akiva Hawke and Fenris by Aimo

Modifié par ReiSilver, 17 août 2011 - 04:21 .

[Arquen]

LMAO agreed agreed! I love that line, but I absolutely love it when he sits down more.

I think my favorite of them is the "they say, death is only a journey... does that help?" and I follow up with "It just raises questions... journey to where?" and he goes "I don't know... It's just something people say." and then the best "to be honest I don't see much point in filling these moments with idle talk."

The way he goes "does that help?" makes me smile. I love how you try! E for EFFORT.

Also, my Hawke as well wants some kind of hug or touch or something. In my headcanon she has herself lean her head on Fenris while he is sitting beside her. Not much, but something, and mayhaps it turns into a hug. Yet none of my Hawke's are the especially over the top in need of hugs and want to cry their eyes out. At that point it is to soon, they are somewhere between denial and bargaining at that point. It isn't until later that the anger, depression comes out, and they are alone for that mostly by choice.

[Arquen]

I imagine him a philosophical mind who is constantly thinking. This is partly due to his warrior training and the hardships he has had to endure himself at least IMHO. Yet there is something inherently prideful and independent about him, which contrasts with his slave mentality. I agree he has some of the best lines in the game.

It still boggles my mind at times how truly wise he can be, and he doesn't even realize it!

BTW... THANKS A LOT for the VAST addiction damn YOU guys!... I added a few to my Fenris playlist. I'm always on the look-out for good Fen songs.

[Ineffable Igor]

I wonder if his philisophical inclinations are at least partially a result of his exposure to the Qun.

[Arquen]

I'm sure being so close to Qunari culture definitely gave him certain perspectives and ideas that are unique.

I'm not sure I ever saw the Qunari as rather philosophical. They are so very cut and dry with an almost tyrannical rule-set. Still, to be exposed to that kind of enemy and that kind of culture is something that would give anyone especially an observer and thinker some unique perspective.

[Yankee23]

I think Fenris very interesting in that regard. You wouldn't expect that someone who spent their life as a slave, had no formal education and cannot read would be as knowledable as he is. Fenris is very intelligent and we know that Denarius like to have him around to intimidate people, I imagine that Fenris spent a great deal of time observing while Denarius went about his business. What else is there to do while standing around meetings and such, I think he paid close attention to what was going on and learned from it.

[UrsulaCousland]

 For those who don't follow David Gaider's twitter feed, he recently posted something about squee-inducing new Dragon Age concept art. 

*doesn't want to get hopes up he got his shirtless Fenris after all, but...fails.* 

Heck it might not even be DA2 but...yeah. I'm dying of curiosity now. And my long-suffering hubby is laughing at my fangirling. I love that man. <3

Modifié par UrsulaCousland, 17 août 2011 - 03:20 .

[Meeszy Alexy]

UrsulaCousland wrote...

 For those who don't follow David Gaider's twitter feed, he recently posted something about squee-inducing new Dragon Age concept art. 

*doesn't want to get hopes up he got his shirtless Fenris after all, but...fails.* 

Heck it might not even be DA2 but...yeah. I'm dying of curiosity now. And my long-suffering hubby is laughing at my fangirling. I love that man. <3

...

<3

yayyyyyy

...I have nothing more to say.

[Arquen]

New dragon age concept art?! --- Ohhh the possibilities.

DG is such a tease I swear. You know I think he has fun just trolling us some days. My mind will be a wreck imagining what it could be.

Does anyone have the actual twitter post.. tweet? whatever? <--- so not a twitter person

[UrsulaCousland]

Arquen wrote...

New dragon age concept art?! --- Ohhh the possibilities.

DG is such a tease I swear. You know I think he has fun just trolling us some days. My mind will be a wreck imagining what it could be.

Does anyone have the actual twitter post.. tweet? whatever? <--- so not a twitter person

I'm a complete twitter n00b. I'm looking at it, but I'm not sure how to link it. He posted it yesterday.

[metalgirl-1]

@Arquen The tweet said "New Dragon Age concept art = squee-inducing". I wanna see it!!! He is such a tease.

[Ineffable Igor]

I'd definitely consider the Qun itself a philosophy, but the way the Qunari implement and go about spreading it...Yes, well, they certainly aren't big thinkers, are they?  Still, to a warrior like Fenris, I can definitely see why many of their ideas would be compelling.  Although I doubt he cares much for the "Don't try to change your role, 'there is nothing to struggle against' " concept.

EDIT: LOL, looking at DG's twitter right now - "Sheryl: Alistair is a date rape drug?!  Me:  I said a GATEWAY drug!"

I am amused.     

Modifié par Ineffable Igor, 17 août 2011 - 05:45 .

[Arquen]

I think Fenris would have a mild interest in the Qunari custom but I seriously doubt he would or does like anything about it. Especially since Danarius kept him leashed like a Qunari mage to mock Qunari custom and all that.

Doesn't he say something when you take him on the Sheparding Wolves quest about Ketojan blowing himself up? Gahh I think I only got it like one time, but I want to say he says something about their customs being too strict or inane or ... something. Damn I really can't remember...

[UrsulaCousland]

Ineffable Igor wrote...

I'd definitely consider the Qun itself a philosophy, but the way the Qunari implement and go about spreading it...Yes, well, they certainly aren't big thinkers, are they?  Still, to a warrior like Fenris, I can definitely see why many of their ideas would be comelling.  Although I doubt he cares much for the "Don't try to change your role, 'there is nothing to strugge against' " concept.     

*grin* No, but Fenris (by the time we recruit him) is at a soul-searching point, and I'm guessing, if he had time, he would have been before this. For everything he's faced, I was blown away by how philosophical he can get.

[UrsulaCousland]

Arquen wrote...

I think Fenris would have a mild interest in the Qunari custom but I seriously doubt he would or does like anything about it. Especially since Danarius kept him leashed like a Qunari mage to mock Qunari custom and all that.

Doesn't he say something when you take him on the Sheparding Wolves quest about Ketojan blowing himself up? Gahh I think I only got it like one time, but I want to say he says something about their customs being too strict or inane or ... something. Damn I really can't remember...

I can't either. I'll check it when I get there this PT. (ETA: SHould be soon - I can get the quest but was stalling on doing it.)

Modifié par UrsulaCousland, 17 août 2011 - 06:06 .

[Arquen]

He does seem to respect the Qun at least. I'm reminded of what he says about them when you give him the sword of mercy. "When the Qunari wish to wage true war, we will know it." (paraphrasing)

He at least appreciates their strength and conviction if nothing else. He also knows their greeting, but how does he know about the duel? Honor he has seen in battle somewhere? Has he encountered an Arishok before? Oh questions questions...

And the Qun in itself IS very philosophical. The wiki says it was based on Plato's Republic... can't get more philosophical than that. In fact it is more philosophical than religious in nature, but indeed I meant that the Qunari themselves don't seem very philosophical. They are so set in their defined roles and rules they don't think outside the box (which is technically what philosophy is, LOL).

[Ineffable Igor]

Arquen wrote...

I think Fenris would have a mild interest in the Qunari custom but I seriously doubt he would or does like anything about it. Especially since Danarius kept him leashed like a Qunari mage to mock Qunari custom and all that.

Doesn't he say something when you take him on the Sheparding Wolves quest about Ketojan blowing himself up? Gahh I think I only got it like one time, but I want to say he says something about their customs being too strict or inane or ... something. Damn I really can't remember...

Still, not liking it as a whole doesn't mean there aren't certain aspects he wouldn't like or take into consideration.  I definitely think he would just find perspective in those ideas though, not try to live by any of them.

I think he does say something like that, but I can't remember either. 

[Reznore57]

One thing about the Qunari is they're not "racist" at all.
They are the only one who treat elf with dignity .I mean they're a bit crazy with all their "certainty" ,etc but they treat people fairly in their wierd Qunari ways.
Besides they challenge the Imperium , so Fenris might have a soft spot for them.
But i think he's not a huge fan of opression and order , and during Sheparding wolf he says he would choose death over servitude ,but that he do not follow the Qun.

[Reznore57]

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Modifié par Reznore57, 17 août 2011 - 10:46 .

[Sepewrath]

Reznore57 wrote...

One thing about the Qunari is they're not "racist" at all.
They are the only one who treat elf with dignity .I mean they're a bit crazy with all their "certainty" ,etc but they treat people fairly in their wierd Qunari ways.
Besides they challenge the Imperium , so Fenris might have a soft spot for them.
But i think he's not a huge fan of opression and order , and during Sheparding wolf he says he would choose death over servitude ,but that he do not follow the Qun.

Well the Qunari aren't racist, but they aren't tolerant of others and their ways, which is just as bad.

[Madame Rose Crimsynn]

UrsulaCousland wrote...

 For those who don't follow David Gaider's twitter feed, he recently posted something about squee-inducing new Dragon Age concept art. 

*doesn't want to get hopes up he got his shirtless Fenris after all, but...fails.* 

Heck it might not even be DA2 but...yeah. I'm dying of curiosity now. And my long-suffering hubby is laughing at my fangirling. I love that man. <3

I wasn't going to log in. I was trying to break the habit of sitting down and checking the forums whenever I opened the damn internet-- I swear to god I was going to just see if anyone posted videos of Sylvari Character Creation for GW2 from Gamescom. And then I decided, "Ah, well, let's just see what they're talking about on the Fen-thread".

The bolded has made me log in. I am staying until I see this art that is squee-inducing. And I have already gotten my hopes up (DAAAAAMN IT ALLLLLLL!!!!). 

Probably need to prepare. Need lots of buckets of popcorn, to put down orders for about 200 boxes of tissues (and maybe 50 extra to be safe), and get the hot water and mops ready. And secretly cry about my happiness that female Sylvari in GW2 can have the hairstyle of one of the iconics after her redesign.

[Reznore57]

About Qunari , the thing is who's tolerant in Thedas anyway?
Pretty much nobody.
I think they're crazy zealots , there's no denying that.But An elf who believes in the chantry still have to live in an alienage ,in the Qun an elf can become part of the society.
I like the qunari , they are what they are , but they don't bother lying about it .

Anyway finger cross for shirtless Fenris , i need to see these tatoos too

[Dr. Doctor]

Speaking of Qunari....

Kirkwall Docks

Hawke: I can see why the Qunari embraced the Qun, but the whole 'submit or die' thing seems a little crazy to me.

Varric: Hawke, of course it's crazy. Everyone and everything is crazy. Rivaini's idea of a good time is to get drunk and stab things, Daisy skips around picking flowers and summons demons, Aveline spies on all of us to make sure we're safe, Blondie decided having a spirit living in his head is a good idea, Tevinter over there broods all day long-

Fenris: Varric fondles his weapon when he thinks no one's looking.

Varric: Exactly! The Knight-Commander fries the minds of mages just for the fun of it, The Viscount is nervous about everything, everyone in Thedas is crazy in one way or another.

Hawke: But what about me?

Fenris: You're friends with us aren't you?

Hawke: Good point.

[darkrose]

Ineffable Igor wrote...

I'd definitely consider the Qun itself a philosophy, but the way the Qunari implement and go about spreading it...Yes, well, they certainly aren't big thinkers, are they?  

Don't forget that we're only seeing a third of Qunari society. The "thinkers" are presumably the priests, who so far, at least, haven't been seen outside of Par Vollen.