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Ineffable Igor wrote...

I think it says something very interesting about Fenris's development that the death of Danarius is so fast.  It shows how far Fenris has come, that this man who used to control him utterly has become so completely powerless and insignificant.  It's extremely visceral, I love it when he lifts him by the throat, says "You are no longer my master!" and just rips out his jugular.  That's the moment when it feels like he's finally breaking free from everything that's been holding him back for the whole game.  I remember doing a fist pump the first time I played it.  It's like he doesn't even need to make him suffer because by killing him he's ripping off the band-aid of hatred and finally moving on.  If that metaphor makes any sense whatsoever.  :P


I pretty much agree. I also think it is a testament to his hatred for the guy that he just goes up and takes out all his rage on him in one blow. I didn't want a long, torturous death scene. I don't think Danarius deserved that much. He is dispatched with all the rage and hatred that Fenris can muster. It isn't so much that it wouldn't be *nice* to see him suffer long and agonizing, but I don't think it is something Fenris would do. WIth Gascard it is at the behest of Hawke and it is more a "I see where your going with this.." kind of thing. He goes and tortures the guy a bit for Hawke, but Hawke still gets the final kill. Likewise with Danzig he does similar. Yet the rage and sheer brutality is not there. To me that is what makes Danarius' death worth it. That visceral and brutal way he just goes down.

Also, I take the whole encounter into consideration. As Surreal said he does summon shades, have body guards, and maintains that damn impenetrable shield. He is beaten and his mana/stamina has been drained.

He attempted to make his wheel and deal. Personally it was sickening just to listen to him and I couldn't wait to kill him. Then when Fenris picks it up in the end and just *RAGE* dead I indeed feel a fistpump or a bro-five coming on. I'm not sure what kind of improvements people are looking for *shrug* It was pretty climatic to me.

As for the DLC -- I'm crossing my fingers for a fix, but my logical brain is telling me not to get my hopes up. If there is a new DLC it better not have the bugs this one does or I am going to be somewhat angry. If dialogue isn't firing and banter isn't working or even worse bugs then I will be massively disappointed. <_<

Edit for TOP and hoping for shirtless Fenris :wizard:

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Well at Gamescom Bioware hinted that we'll be getting some DLC that expands upon the ending of Act III. Gideon Emery better get used to things in Canada, it doesn't sound like he's leaving anytime soon.


I think he knows. He's been hinting quite heavyly on both FB and Twitter around the time of E3. Considering they usually recording teh voice about six months beforehead, I won't be too surprised.


He even went to watch the ice hockey! :lol:

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Prompt time

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This week's theme:



Please select one (or more) of the theme below:
1. Ale and Wine.
2. Horse
3. Seasickness.
4. Picklock.
5. Did you hear that?






The usual stuff, one week time frame and a bold Prompt: (theme) on the top of your post.


Right, have fun.

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Hee.. I know a few good ones for Horse...

prompt: HORSE

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and let us not forget... FENICORN!
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muahahahaha

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@Arquen *rofl* I had forgotten Fenicorn!

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OK, prompt time!

Prompt: Ale and Wine

Fenris’ Mansion
9:32 Dragon


“You have no idea how glad I am to find someone who at least accepts that I don’t really like ale, Fenris.” Aniya grinned at him over the rim of one of the glasses she’d brought in not too long ago. “It spares me a lot of questions, mutters, and stares.”

“Is there some particular reason you don’t like it? Of course, that would require an explanation if you’re willing to give it.” He grinned back at her. In the months since he’d hired her through Anso, he’d come to appreciate her sense of humor.  He also appreciated that she seemed to take a genuine interest in how he was adapting to Kirkwall, and she didn’t seem to share details of what he’d told her outside of their conversations. Hawke didn’t seem to have any problems with his past either; the only way it came up was if he mentioned it, and then it never failed to be a challenging, and in the end, philosophical conversation. He didn’t remember ever having someone that he could just talk with, and her perspectives as someone who had never been a captive or a slave gave him plenty of food for thought. He was starting to wonder if he could consider Hawke a friend, the first he really had in Kirkwall, or really, anywhere since the Fog Warriors.

He quickly willed that topic from his mind before he could fixate on it.

Aniya rolled her eyes at him in mock disgust. “Fine. Just this once.” She laughed and considered for a moment. “You do realize this is one of the more embarrassing stories of my life, right?” 

“If you’d rather not – “ 

“It’s all right,” she laughed. “We were all young and foolish once. Well, maybe you don’t recall being foolish, but the rest of us were.” She winked. “Let’s put it this way. When you have a camp full of army recruits fresh out of fairly restrictive homes, away from their parents’ watchful eyes for the first time, and around prodigious quantities of ale, some things are bound to happen.”

“I see.”

 “Yes. Let’s say that my first time completely overdoing it with ale, engaging in some horrible decision making that I only just remember, and paying for it with the worst hangover I’ve had to this day, taught me a few things. Not the least of which is I hate the taste of ale.” She laughed, but she wasn’t able to keep some regret and self-reproach out of her voice.

“So that explains your low bar tab at the Hanged Man? The one Varric seems to love to bring up?” He asked.

“Something like that. The very taste of ale makes me want to retch, their whiskey is undrinkable unless the point is to get drunk, and that leaves the mead, the cider, or nothing, usually. That and since I know I get stupid when I drink,I don’t drink much except around people I trust. That pretty much limits me to a mug of mead or two a night, if that.” Aniya finished the glass she had (her third on this bottle, he noted with amusement and some surprise), and poured herself a couple fingers’ worth more. She got a distant look and didn’t continue. Fenris frowned at her, then decided to trust the insights he’d learned from being around her.

“Do you want to talk about it, Hawke?” From all the times she’d just listened to him go on about his life as a slave, he figured he owed her that much. He was also more curious than he really should have been. Varric must be rubbing off on me.

Maker. Now you’ve done it, Aniya. Maybe I’ve had too much wine, too. “If you’re really interested in the sordid details of my foolishness.” She sighed.

“You said yourself yesterday that our choices make us who we are, Hawke. You seem to have done well enough despite any past decisions of yours; perhaps it taught you something?”

Aniya blinked at him. “Oh fine, use my own logic against me, O wise one. You win.” She smiled, not her usual dry grin but more of a bemused surrender of the point. “I got extremely drunk, just like everyone else, when we were celebrating our finishing basic training. This was a gathering of very drunk youngsters more than ready to do whatever their bodies were telling them to do with whomever they wanted to do it with. I did that too, with someone I never would have remotely considered while sober.” Aniya shuddered.

“Not forced, though?”

“Oh no. That decision was entirely mine, and it was a bad one. He was a complete ass and an ugly brute, but he looked great when viewed through ale-colored eyes. I was just lucky nothing ah… came of it. It did teach me the importance of making some decisions when you aren’t so drunk you can barely walk. Actually not liking ale is just a side effect. The taste of it reminds me of that night, which I’d rather forget.”

“That doesn’t sound as bad as it could have been.” He was considering what he'd seen in Tevinter, but at the flash of annoyance in her eyes, he realized he’d hit a nerve regardless.

“Maybe not to you, but when it’s your first time, and you’re taught all your life that that’s a Big Deal, it sure seems like it. Not only that, but it took a long time before I was willing to even consider the idea again. At least then, it was with someone I truly cared about, and that made all the difference. It showed me what all the fuss was about, and it’s made me very picky about …er.” She cleared her throat and blushed furiously. “Aaaaand now I’ve completely told you more than you wanted to know.”

As Fenris considered what to say, Aniya thought she saw something in those green eyes that might have been a flash of interest that went beyond pure curiosity. Or I could be imagining it. Although…I can’t say I’d object! She surprised herself with her own reaction to that idea.

(Thanks for the topic, Tankgirly - I'm fleshing this one out for the fic. :whistle: )

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Horse

Kirkwall Docks


Hawke: What are those?

Fenris: Tevinter Destriers, the warhorses of the Imperium. The Magisters and Battle Mages take the field on them. I've seen them race behind a wall of magical fire, crush the foe with a wave of unassailable force, or even increase their numbers with the risen calvary of their slain foes.

Hawke: Do you want one?

Fenris: What would I do with a horse?

Hawke: You could ride on it like a dashing knight out of one of Varric's stories!

Fenris: Where would I stable it?

Hawke: Well there is all of that room in your mansion. I'm sure the dead bodies would like some company.

Fenris: I don't need a horse.

Hawke: You're no fun.

#43308
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Prompt: Pick Lock
(And/or Lockpick)


Fenris: Hurry it up, Hawke. We can’t hold them forever.

Hawke: *Breaks lockpick in door lock* Damn it. This one's being stubborn. Just keep me covered. *goes to grab another one*

Fenris reaches through the door and unlocks it.

Fenris: Time for plan B?

Hawke: Right. Why do we have me try to do this again?! *throws lockpicks over shoulder in disgust.*

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FieryDove wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...

That being said, I want my romance flag for Fenris fixed in Legacy. ;/


I don't think legacy will get patched. Very few people know or care that some of the Hawke 1vs.1 companion and Fenris dialogue is bugged. Not to mention other stuff that is recorded but isn't firing.

/Major sad face


Unfortunately, this is probably true.:(  

Item packs, not to crazy about.  I have some nice mods so I don't really need them.  But a DLC is more than welcome:).  I hope they don't wait to long.  Do you think they will continue Hawke's story in the next game or in an expansion pack?  Or just leave Hawke like the Warden?  Hawke's tale just seems so open, much more than the Wardens, which seemed to have some closure. 

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omearaee wrote...

FieryDove wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...

That being said, I want my romance flag for Fenris fixed in Legacy. ;/


I don't think legacy will get patched. Very few people know or care that some of the Hawke 1vs.1 companion and Fenris dialogue is bugged. Not to mention other stuff that is recorded but isn't firing.

/Major sad face


Unfortunately, this is probably true.:(  

Item packs, not to crazy about.  I have some nice mods so I don't really need them.  But a DLC is more than welcome:).  I hope they don't wait to long.  Do you think they will continue Hawke's story in the next game or in an expansion pack?  Or just leave Hawke like the Warden?  Hawke's tale just seems so open, much more than the Wardens, which seemed to have some closure. 


I'm also doubting a Legacy patch at this point, but if taking their time leads to more content that is as well written as Legacy was (and now that they're aware of the bug, at least), I'm game. I also hope that if they don't patch Legacy that they test the companion banters like the one that's broken for Fenris for the next DLC/new content.

#43311
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Didn't someone find the bugged Legacy Fenris banters and put them on YouTube or transcribe them or something? If so, could someone provide a link, please? I want to see them but I can't seem to find them.

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Wut!? Yes, someone provide a link. :)

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Ineffable Igor wrote...

Didn't someone find the bugged Legacy Fenris banters and put them on YouTube or transcribe them or something? If so, could someone provide a link, please? I want to see them but I can't seem to find them.


http://social.biowar...index/7997361/1

I hope Legacy gets patched. If not I'm done with dlc and possibly anything else to boot.

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FieryDove wrote...

Ineffable Igor wrote...

Didn't someone find the bugged Legacy Fenris banters and put them on YouTube or transcribe them or something? If so, could someone provide a link, please? I want to see them but I can't seem to find them.


http://social.biowar...index/7997361/1

I hope Legacy gets patched. If not I'm done with dlc and possibly anything else to boot.


*sigh* Some cool stuff there, and not just from Fenris, missing.

I got a little sidetracked and watched the Rivalmance wall kiss scene as well. If anything, it pushed me farther into the Friendmance camp. I dunno - the Rival wall kiss creeps me out a little; Fenris looks more uncomfortable with what's going on, and I think that's what's putting me off. The Friendmance wall kiss and non-glow don't ever do that to me.

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Ineffable Igor wrote...

ReiSilver wrote...

FieryDove wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...

That being said, I want my romance flag for Fenris fixed in Legacy. ;/


I don't think legacy will get patched. Very few people know or care that some of the Hawke 1vs.1 companion and Fenris dialogue is bugged. Not to mention other stuff that is recorded but isn't firing.

/Major sad face


Maker NOOOOOOOOOO :crying:


*Headdesk*


*Sob. Doesn't even own Legacy, but sob*



[Off-topic Crimsy]
Oh my God. So much hair. Posted Image 

(Game hasn't even been given a full date for release and I already can't decide between four hairstyles for a human female character and I had to make a motivational) (And next time someone tells me curly hair can't be done in a game, I'm going to start throwing things)

[/Off-topic Crimsy]

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UrsulaCousland wrote...

FieryDove wrote...

Ineffable Igor wrote...

Didn't someone find the bugged Legacy Fenris banters and put them on YouTube or transcribe them or something? If so, could someone provide a link, please? I want to see them but I can't seem to find them.


http://social.biowar...index/7997361/1

I hope Legacy gets patched. If not I'm done with dlc and possibly anything else to boot.


*sigh* Some cool stuff there, and not just from Fenris, missing.

I got a little sidetracked and watched the Rivalmance wall kiss scene as well. If anything, it pushed me farther into the Friendmance camp. I dunno - the Rival wall kiss creeps me out a little; Fenris looks more uncomfortable with what's going on, and I think that's what's putting me off. The Friendmance wall kiss and non-glow don't ever do that to me.


Friendmance camp also-- it's OK. 

Only rivalmance I have still is my rogue Kaalyss-- simply because snarky-mage lovers with knives don't go for mages, they go for the one that's hardest for them to get (and I see Anders kind of creeping her out, plus Kaalyss isn't the girl that goes for the lovey-dovey "I'm going to hurt you!" "I don't care!" kind of crap). I love the rivalmane when you talk to him at the end of "Alone" and he's yelling how Hawke is going to be the death of him (in Tevinter), but otherwise, I love the friendmance. It seems most natural, despite the the three-year-gap (which I stole someone else's headcanon to fill in) that's odd (but it's odd in all of them in my opinion). 

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UrsulaCousland wrote...

*sigh* Some cool stuff there, and not just from Fenris, missing.


Lots of stuff not working. But even if recorded some might have been cut. I don't understand why, the work was paid for and it can't be "file size" limits because it's already there just...sitting doing nothing.

Since Witch Hunt got a whole new version to fix a bug it can't be dlc can't be patched type thing either.

I just wish someone would say it will or won't be patched. I don't care how far up the chain just something. (I'm not asking day/hour/minute here).

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UrsulaCousland wrote...

*sigh* Some cool stuff there, and not just from Fenris, missing.

I got a little sidetracked and watched the Rivalmance wall kiss scene as well. If anything, it pushed me farther into the Friendmance camp. I dunno - the Rival wall kiss creeps me out a little; Fenris looks more uncomfortable with what's going on, and I think that's what's putting me off. The Friendmance wall kiss and non-glow don't ever do that to me.


I've mentioned this before, I believe.  I think the Rivalmance wall kiss is glitched and supposed to work exactly like the Friendmance one.  It's not just that Fenris seems uncomfortable, but the whole thing is just too awkward.  Kiss doesn't line up at all, eye-lines don't either, and his head gets stuck in one position.  This is one of those things I keep hoping they patch and have yet to see fixed. <_<

Thank you so much for the link, FieryDove, it was driving me nuts not knowing what those banters were.

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FieryDove wrote...

Since Witch Hunt got a whole new version to fix a bug it can't be dlc can't be patched type thing either.

I just wish someone would say it will or won't be patched. I don't care how far up the chain just something. (I'm not asking day/hour/minute here).

Didn't Luke say it appeared to just be a coincidence?

If there's some issue with this type of banter not firing (even though it's set up correctly), that would probably be resolved with a patch, not an update to the DLC (as in, fixing the issue that's preventing the banter from firing like it should).

And patches take a long time because of the hassle of releasing updates for the consoles, so don't expect anything until they're able to collect everything they decide to fix (and there's new DLC next week, so they'd probably further wait to make sure that doesn't introduce any more issues).

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devSin wrote...

FieryDove wrote...

Since Witch Hunt got a whole new version to fix a bug it can't be dlc can't be patched type thing either.

I just wish someone would say it will or won't be patched. I don't care how far up the chain just something. (I'm not asking day/hour/minute here).

Didn't Luke say it appeared to just be a coincidence?

If there's some issue with this type of banter not firing (even though it's set up correctly), that would probably be resolved with a patch, not an update to the DLC (as in, fixing the issue that's preventing the banter from firing like it should).

And patches take a long time because of the hassle of releasing updates for the consoles, so don't expect anything until they're able to collect everything they decide to fix (and there's new DLC next week, so they'd probably further wait to make sure that doesn't introduce any more issues).


Luke said:

First of all, there appears to be some issue with Hawke:Companion 1 on 1 banters (not all of them though). The reason why the Fenris LI and the other ones are is completely a coincidence in that it's the only one that uses Hawke:Companion instead of Companion:Companion banter.

http://social.biowar...65838/4#8021136

There are other things that are not firing but we have no way of knowing if its a bug or cut.

I know about the certification. I am not asking for a date, I just want to know if they will or will not patch Legacy. That's all.

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I think Luke saying that they're aware of it (and his specificity means that somebody actually investigated to see what exactly was happening) is the only thing you'll hear, at least until an update that fixes the issue has a definite release date.

They won't commit to fixing something until the patch or update is nearly ready to be released. And just because a long time passes doesn't mean they don't intend to eventually resolve it, nor does them telling you that something is likely to happen (like an updated version of the DLC) mean that it's going to happen any time soon (look at high-resolution textures for the first item pack: Fernando said shortly after it released that they were looking to release accompanying hi-res textures, and meanwhile, four years later, I still can't even get a status update).

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Honey I'm home. Real life some times sucks, yes?

Okay it wasn't real life I was focusing a pushing through my origins playthrough but still.
 
I have given up on the patches and now just remain extremely gleeful whenever he says "It appears your blood is special Hawke. Why am I not surprised," or the little cut scene when he talks about papaHawke... now I can't bring Anders though cause he completly tramples my poor Fenris as far as dialogue goes. Thats right! I am intending on putting enough emotional stock into those scenes that they bring a tear to my eye whenever said. Hmph. Thank you Bioware for turning me into a emotional scene hoarder, I have learned to take and obsessivly pick over whatever I can get.

I still haven't completed that rivalmance but I am lost in good fic land and origins is eating my brain and the Danarius news is still creeping me out. Plus the character I made for the rivalmance is beginning to creep me out lookwise and thats never good. That emporium mirror is really having to put in it's time. I don't know how I made it through origins without one. I am still waiting (hoping) it will glitch one day and I can play with Fens hair colour, not that white is dashing but I want to see the Leto damnit.

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So... small story spoiler here:




When did Fenris learn so much about the Qunari?

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UrsulaCousland wrote...

OK, prompt time!

Prompt: Ale and Wine

Fenris’ Mansion
9:32 Dragon


“You have no idea how glad I am to find someone who at least accepts that I don’t really like ale, Fenris.” Aniya grinned at him over the rim of one of the glasses she’d brought in not too long ago. “It spares me a lot of questions, mutters, and stares.”....[snip]


Loved the scene. I can't wait until you start posting on fanfic. 

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Gespenst wrote...

So... small story spoiler here:




When did Fenris learn so much about the Qunari?


He lived in Sehron, and I imagine was taught by both Denerius and the fod warriors about the qunari and their customs.

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Ale and Wine

The Hanged Man

Isabela: Coriff a flagon of ale, keep them coming.

Fenris: (placing a bottle on the bar) You drink the swill here? I'd be more than happy to share my wine with a beautiful woman such as yourself.

Isabela: (laughs) Flatterer. Anyway, I swore off wine a long time ago, it's prissy, complicated, and it reminds me of someone I'd rather forget.

Fenris: May I ask who it is?

Isabela: It's not you, you goose. I thoroughly enjoy your company. No the man I'm speaking of is someone who's better left alone; like that Magister of yours.

Fenris: Very well.

Isabela: Fine I'll tell you.

Fenris: I didn't say anything.

Isabela: No but you do that thing you always do. Where if you really want to talk about something you just box it up and leave it be.

Fenris: I don't-

Isabela: Yes you do. (sighs) Anyway, I grew up in Llomerryn with my mother who pretended to be a Seer, you know fortune telling, fertillity charms, all of that schlock. Let's just say that my childhood wasn't exactly idyllic. One day while I was in the market with my mother this Antivan merchant shows up and decides that he wants me for his own. My own mother gave me away to him for two goats and a few gold coins, she didn't even try to bargan with the man.

Fenris: You were a slave?

Isabela: Not quite, he married me. I was his wife, his most prized possession, he'd show me off to customers, partygoers, anyone who would deal with him. He didn't beat me, and he took care of me but, it wasn't exactly marital bliss.

Fenris: I assume that you dealt with this man?

Isabela: Back in those days I wasn't exactly the swashbuckling duelist I am now, my husband was assassinated by an Antivan Crow, and before you ask I didn't hire him. You met him actually.

Fenris: That man was an assassin?

Isabela: Of course he was! Anyway after Zevran took care of my husband I took control of his ship and crew and set off on my own. And after a decade of piracy here I am.

Fenris: Your ale's getting warm.

Isabela: You know what? I think I'll have some wine. New beginnings and what not.