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[Night Dreams]

I heard there was meant to be LI dialogue in Legacy for Fenris, but apparently its bugged! All my hopes and dreams... gone... *sniff sniff* Patch it.... NOW! Thankyou :3

[ReiSilver]

Night Dreams wrote...

I heard there was meant to be LI dialogue in Legacy for Fenris, but apparently its bugged! All my hopes and dreams... gone... *sniff sniff* Patch it.... NOW! Thankyou :3

there was indeed LI dialogue for Fenris which was adorable, there was an upload on youtube of the missing audio but it looks like it's been taken down...

[Heidenreich]

ReiSilver wrote...

Night Dreams wrote...

I heard there was meant to be LI dialogue in Legacy for Fenris, but apparently its bugged! All my hopes and dreams... gone... *sniff sniff* Patch it.... NOW! Thankyou :3

there was indeed LI dialogue for Fenris which was adorable, there was an upload on youtube of the missing audio but it looks like it's been taken down...

Send a PM to IPGD, since I believe she's the one who put it up in the first place. Or at least found it for us. But yes, there -is- most deffinately Fenris LI Dialog.. in an act 2/pre-denairus act-3 its little bit of:

"... thank you for bringing me" 
"what, why wouldn't I?/Oh, no problem." 
"Well.. I, we, havent' talked much, and its, nice to be included again *shyfenris*"

and there's a bit of

"So...about that night.."

"You want to do this now? Here?"

"I, uh, no I guess not../ <insert something snarky>"


and then after the make-up, there's a bit of:

"So varric, there's been some rumors going around..."

"No, I didn't tell anyone about you and the Elf."

"some other stuff I can't remember right now"



theres more and I don't remember a lot of it word for word, but its really cute.

[Arquen]

Bleh work... but I had to post before I go.

Have this dark image haunting my mind of Leto. It's aching in my brain to be drawn. Maybe fic because I hear dialogue in my head too. I wonder.. when Leto won the competition.. how long after that did the ritual take place?

I assume it was some kind of battle type competition because the ritual would need a hardy host. However, I also assume that Leto got beat up pretty bad during said competition. I doubt they would want to take him injured to the ritual because then he might die. In my head I see Leto, locked away.. waiting... waiting for something.. whether he knows it is a ritual or not I'm not sure. Yet he would be locked away until his wounds healed and the ritual was ready. Unknowing or perhaps knowing his fate and powerless to stop it. The only solace he would have in those moments is that he did it for his family, and they are now free. Then even that is taken from him in the ritual.

Again, random thoughts are random.. and dark.. but I see this image and I hear dialogue and my brain is screaming for it to be drawn or written. Then I have work.. *froth* damn you MUSES!

[Heidenreich]

Alrighty, I've got a question.

I could have -sworn- that in the act 3 QB with Bela that there's a LI option. I know there's one for Anders "What about Anders?" "Bring him along, we'll find some use for him, I'm sure *belasmirk*""..


So why isn't there one for Fenris. I thought there was, in fact I could have sworn there was... but now there's not. In fact I replayed half of act three because I didn't get the that dialog option, only to find out there's still no dialog option... and I swear there used to be one!

AHMG, someone find out for meeeeeeee.

[Jessicles]

Heidenreich wrote...

Alrighty, I've got a question.

I could have -sworn- that in the act 3 QB with Bela that there's a LI option. I know there's one for Anders "What about Anders?" "Bring him along, we'll find some use for him, I'm sure *belasmirk*""..


So why isn't there one for Fenris. I thought there was, in fact I could have sworn there was... but now there's not. In fact I replayed half of act three because I didn't get the that dialog option, only to find out there's still no dialog option... and I swear there used to be one!

AHMG, someone find out for meeeeeeee.

Apparently there are no LI dialogues for either Fenris or Sebastian.

I'm sure she'd love to have him along for some kind of threesome though!

(Mmm, Fenris on a....boat. On his hands and knees. Scrubbing the.......decks.)

[Tealsie]

Jessicles wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...

Alrighty, I've got a question.

I could have -sworn- that in the act 3 QB with Bela that there's a LI option. I know there's one for Anders "What about Anders?" "Bring him along, we'll find some use for him, I'm sure *belasmirk*""..


So why isn't there one for Fenris. I thought there was, in fact I could have sworn there was... but now there's not. In fact I replayed half of act three because I didn't get the that dialog option, only to find out there's still no dialog option... and I swear there used to be one!

AHMG, someone find out for meeeeeeee.

Apparently there are no LI dialogues for either Fenris or Sebastian.

I'm sure she'd love to have him along for some kind of threesome though!

(Mmm, Fenris on a....boat. On his hands and knees. Scrubbing the.......decks.)

In pirate clothes~!
...now I want to see Fen dressed up like Jack Sparrow.  or maybe with an eyepatch...

[Sealy]

you can get that, somwhere, on the kink meme I think someone drew it for a prompt. I'll hunt it down.

There was LI dialoue for that, I am in the same boat as you, I played up to that point and then looked for my 'What about Fenris?' option cause I know I have gotten it on a previous playthrough. Gone. Now I can never go sailing with Izzy cause it sounds like I am going to leave Fen behinde.

Worse yet if he was treated really well while he healed. nice room, attendants, thinking his life had finally turned towards the upside and then whabam! Agonizing lyrium ritual. Fffff, Danarius.

Modifié par Fleshdress, 05 septembre 2011 - 04:20 .

[Annarl]

Heidenreich wrote...

Alrighty, I've got a question.

I could have -sworn- that in the act 3 QB with Bela that there's a LI option. I know there's one for Anders "What about Anders?" "Bring him along, we'll find some use for him, I'm sure *belasmirk*""..


So why isn't there one for Fenris. I thought there was, in fact I could have sworn there was... but now there's not. In fact I replayed half of act three because I didn't get the that dialog option, only to find out there's still no dialog option... and I swear there used to be one!

AHMG, someone find out for meeeeeeee.

I don't remember there being an dialogue option for What about Fenris, but I haven't played in awhile so I might be mis-remembering .  The Fenris romance must be re-connected in the third act so maybe the writers weren't sure if the romance would be on by then or it's another dialogue trigger that isn't flagging right.  

[Jessicles]

Tealsie wrote...
...now I want to see Fen dressed up like Jack Sparrow.  or maybe with an eyepatch...

This.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

I'm definitely one of those who prefers the idea that Fenris was totally on board with this whole ritual thing until it actually happened... not that he knew about the pain beforehand, but that he was well treated and accorded special treatment during the preparations, and that all he knew is that it was going to make him stronger and give him more status (the pecking order within different categories of slaves is always interesting.)

Part of that is that it makes a lot more sense, from Danarius's perspective: better to have your subject in ideal mental and physical health when the process starts, to ensure better chances of success. That's one of the things I think makes Danarius a good villain: he doesn't do cruel things just to be cruel, he does them because they work, because they concretely benefit him. Hadriana was the petty and cruel one, and that made her a weak loser. Danarius does terrible things, but they're all part of a plan.

I do also enjoy the irony of Fenris actually looking forward to the markings, because it makes him take some degree of responsibility for his own circumstances and life. Only a tiny bit, but in some ways it could be a benefit... evidence of his own agency, even when he was a slave.

[UrsulaCousland]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I'm definitely one of those who prefers the idea that Fenris was totally on board with this whole ritual thing until it actually happened... not that he knew about the pain beforehand, but that he was well treated and accorded special treatment during the preparations, and that all he knew is that it was going to make him stronger and give him more status (the pecking order within different categories of slaves is always interesting.)

Part of that is that it makes a lot more sense, from Danarius's perspective: better to have your subject in ideal mental and physical health when the process starts, to ensure better chances of success. That's one of the things I think makes Danarius a good villain: he doesn't do cruel things just to be cruel, he does them because they work, because they concretely benefit him. Hadriana was the petty and cruel one, and that made her a weak loser. Danarius does terrible things, but they're all part of a plan.

I do also enjoy the irony of Fenris actually looking forward to the markings, because it makes him take some degree of responsibility for his own circumstances and life. Only a tiny bit, but in some ways it could be a benefit... evidence of his own agency, even when he was a slave.

I agree. I could not write this effectively for Common Ground (I eventually abandoned this chapter), but it was what I was trying to examine. In my mind, Fenris was all for it until the first pain hits during the ritual.

[mcilhany]

Ok, so, the sword that is so great for Fenris is called "Binky's Comfort", and is gotten from the Qunari soldier outside the Qunari compound as a reward for completing "the Lost Patrol" In addition to the bonuses it provides, I think it looks really good on Fenris, adding diversity to his outfit, whereas the sword you get from the Elven Fanatic is a bit more goth, blending into his outfit more I think. I like to make him stand out more so I like how Binky's Comfort looks on him better. Along with the Favors too, of course :-) can't be without those...

[Arquen]

I never thought Fenris was on board with the ritual. Still really don't especially if he knew the specifics. Danarius would care to a point, but I don't see him lavishing affections or resources on anyone. As I've said before I never saw it as advantageous for Danarius to reveal the ritual at all. Otherwise it begs the questions.. "what ritual?" The only way I can see it is if Danarius downright lies about it... some good magic and feel goodery to make you the perfect bodyguard. Still, to me the only lure is the boon. Danarius offers boon... Leto sees chance to free family and competes even if he dies competing he wants boon. The ritual seems a hidden secondary at that point. To me he didn't do it for power... he did it for his family.

[Sealy]

I am unsure. I prefer the idea that Fenris knew about the ritual and the boon though. That he wanted to free his family and since he wasn't "special" like his sister that he also wanted to be the best his position could offer him. I dunno, someone should online stalk Gaider for an answer.

Modifié par Fleshdress, 06 septembre 2011 - 03:39 .

[UrsulaCousland]

Arquen wrote...

I never thought Fenris was on board with the ritual. Still really don't especially if he knew the specifics. Danarius would care to a point, but I don't see him lavishing affections or resources on anyone. As I've said before I never saw it as advantageous for Danarius to reveal the ritual at all. Otherwise it begs the questions.. "what ritual?" The only way I can see it is if Danarius downright lies about it... some good magic and feel goodery to make you the perfect bodyguard. Still, to me the only lure is the boon. Danarius offers boon... Leto sees chance to free family and competes even if he dies competing he wants boon. The ritual seems a hidden secondary at that point. To me he didn't do it for power... he did it for his family.

I don't think these are mutually exclusive.  Not only is he getting his family freed, he also stands to gain a great deal in personal status as an elite bodyguard to Danarius, ritual or no.  I am sure that the primary reason he does it is for his family. However, the way I interpret it is that he certainly wouldn't turn down a major improvement in his own status as well.  

We're never sure what Leto's status is before the tournament. We also don't know how much he knew about the details of the ritual. Varania says he competed for the markings, but I am far more certain his primary objective was the boon. I just don't think Leto knew the details until after the tournament was won and the boon granted.

Modifié par UrsulaCousland, 06 septembre 2011 - 04:09 .

[UltiPup]

I am not sure if we can come to an agreement as is. We know Fenris, but we never got to know Leto. Fenris must have been a different person before his markings. He was once happy, or at least content with his life. It sounds like he only began to hate Danarius after the ritual.

[Arquen]

Her statement is that ambiguous to where im not sure if she is referring to the markings specifically or not. She says "you said you never asked for this, but that isn't true.." I just don't see it happening to where he thought being a "privileged" bodyguard was a good thing.

In my head I think Leto was born into slavery but not under Danarius. I think Danarius held the competition and that is how he got possession of Leto. Only reason for that thought though is because he says "we used to play in our master's courtyard"

If they were Danarius's then why would he say it that way?

I would love to see if Gaider has a take on it but sometimes I think he didn't really think about it like we do lol.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

I don't think Fenris knew what the ritual entailed per se: I see it more like this. Danarius was holding a competition, the winner gets a boon and some special markings, and he'll become Danarius's valued bodyguard. Yes you might ask "what markings?" but honestly, there are tattoos enough in Thedas that have mystical-ish powers, having something like that wouldn't be exceptionally suspicious.

Slave pecking order is definitely a thing, as is servant pecking order. There's all sorts of stuff about field slaves versus house slaves in old historical accounts of the south, and that's the kind of transition I think Fenris was anticipating: better food, better quarters, more respect from his fellow slaves. I was reading a story recently about this serving girl who was upjumped from a menial errand girl and beggar to a proper lady's maid, and that's the kind of thing I'm thinking of... only for a slave rather than a servant, of course.

[ReiSilver]

I could see the the offered ritual being something enticing, not only do you get a boon but becoming a personal body guard which has got to be better then many other slave duties since being a bodyguard would require you to be in peak physical condition so one could expect to be well fed at the very least.

I've been wondering about Fenris/Leto and it's just so heartbreaking to imagine Fenris acting like Orana, having no idea how wrong things are or the slightest idea that he deserves better...
What is it with the DA male LIs and having such hurts that you just want to reach out and comfort them?

[mcilhany]

Yes, Hei-denn, what a beautiful name. Like German or something. I was just thinking it's so pretty I want to name my child that. Female, I think, but it would work for a male child too. Very pretty. I too, wondered at that dialog with Isabella. I want Isabella to say we can bring Fenris. So, to save Anders, we just side with the mages and all escape together on her boat! All of us. I don't know anything about the ritual and never will. I'm sure you guys are all just so heartbroken I can't take part in that conversation.

I think we should all escape on Isabella's boat. Fenris annnnd Anders, Merrill, Aveline if she doesn't want to stay and then of course Donnic if she wants to leave. Varric, Carver/Bethany Then, I don't know, run away to Ferelden or, other ideas anyone?

So if the Origin mage is an Amell, does that make me Derel Amell? I almost even spelled my name with two l's too in the game. That would have been something else. I guess she'd better get married soon and, I don't know, become Derel MacTir or even Derel Aranai so long as Zevran can finally settle down :-).

[Arquen]

The irony alone that his sister is a mage and (to me) he wanted to see her free to have a better life and a chance - to basically fight to make her an apostate. Then how he feels about magic afterwards... that is heartbreaking.

To be a bodyguard would no doubt mean ostracizing yourself from the other slaves. Other slaves would either snub you or be afraid of you. Despite being potentially "higher" in the hierarchy, it also means being more alone. I just don't think "hey bodyguard with powerful magister" is something leto would desire. Put it this way... if there was no boon would he still have done it? I don't think so because it doesn't really lead to privilege or respect. Hell it didn't lead to better conditions either. Slaves get basic needs. Danarius was a cruel and creeper master.. he didn't care if his apprentice abused Fenris... why would Leto think being his servant even his bodyguard would bring fulfillment or power in any way?

Fyi: phone posting is hard! Thats why these posts are half-baked.

[mcilhany]

Yes, Fleshdress, i feel the same about that conversation with Isabella. What I do is i just don't have the conversation. I just leave her standing at the bar with the arrow over her head. Until they fix that dialog I don't want to turn her down because it's a great idea, but I won't go without Fenris. I just felt that since we don't have to have that conversation to finish the game, I'd just leave it for now.

[mcilhany]

Dear Meeszy, thank you for writing to me. I hadn't been reading anything for awhile because I was afraid people hated me. I just, i can come across as different on forums sometimes. I don't generally do forums. I don't have a lot of time for it so when I do, it's about something exceptional. I have to be choosy due to time limitations. I do like a lot of what I've seen here, the art etc. I haven't been able to read the comics yet, again only so many hours in the day.

I always side with Harrowmont :-). Behlen's personality always seems to clash with my own.

To Heiden, I looooove Anders. I love him so damn much. He's so attractive and I love how they improved his looks for DA 2. I'd die for Anders, I just don't know what he's thinking. Does he want to die? How can we help him. If I just knew what he really wanted...

I loved having a live-in romance partner. I thought Fenris was supposed to move in with you but that never happened. And I do love so much at the end that he does not even give you the opportunity to break up with him. I would love and stand by Anders if I just knew that was what he really wanted and would accept nothing else. I can see why they give you the opportunity to break up with him at the end, but I didn't like it.

[Sealy]

I always thought Danarius did protect Leto to a point. Uhg, I wish I could remember when exactly but Fenris talks about abuses laid upon him when Danrius wasn't there to leash his pet. Unless my brain had fabricated that.

To me he understands Oranas mindset that everything was 'fine' as long as they weren't being sacrificed. Plus I doubt the strong survival instinct was newly born. When his life was hard and there is a chance for impoval I doubt he wish washed about wanting to stay with his slave friends. Loneliness does not seem to be a deterrant as Fenris, he actually refuses to get closer to his new friends and lover. I have a feeling as a slave he was loyal to his family. full stop. He may have had buddies he worked with but no one worth staying behind is a crappier life for. Who knows maybe Leto was a body slave that could fight... the promise of an elite bodyguard position would look pretty damn good then and it would explain Danarius' *cough*intimate*cough* tendencies,