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#44001
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Arquen wrote...

Alright my friends... I present... The fruits of my labor...

A Fen for you all... It was just supposed to be a sketch! I just don't even know. I blame muses and lack of sleep and too much caffeine.

Based on this quote:

"Fen comes in, promptly at 9:05, wearing a black sweater I’ve never seen before. It looks old, kind of thin, and the hem at the neck has separated from the rest of the sweater a little. But he doesn’t look disheveled. He just looks…

I want to vault over this counter and pin him down on the floor next to the cream and sugar island.

Yeah. That’s how he looks." -- Coffee, Black

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Don't kill me!! *shifty eyes*


Arquen, I love you. I also hate you. And that is totally Fen.

Dammit, I could not believe how well the author pinned the characters.  The awkward cuteness of Hawke and Fen, the intensity of Seb's wishy-washy-ness, everything. GAH! Need more Coffee, Black!!!

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All has been revised. Go take a look anyone who cares: what good is it going to do me to stay mad? As far as I'm concerned it never happened, except for a chance for us all to look inward and above anything else, learn from our mistakes. I may turn in for the night: it's stormy here and I had to wait forever at the airport for my boyfriends plane to land.

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Cultural Geek Girl,

I've been reading more of your posts and I think you may be a genious.  Don't worry about breaking my brain.  Many have tried and failed. haha.  Keep it coming please.  I really like your style.

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Morning everyone.....*glare at the Fenris/Zev/Ali pic a few pages back*....on my way back to gutter district now.

Hey, btw, any more new prompt entries? We have so little during Dr. Doctor's absence!

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tankgirly wrote...

Morning everyone.....*glare at the Fenris/Zev/Ali pic a few pages back*....on my way back to gutter district now.

Hey, btw, any more new prompt entries? We have so little during Dr. Doctor's absence!


I'm the enabler. I promote scat and smut. I sell dirty magazines in the back of my van. Junkies will thrive on my indecency. 

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tankgirly wrote...

Morning everyone.....*glare at the Fenris/Zev/Ali pic a few pages back*....on my way back to gutter district now.

Hey, btw, any more new prompt entries? We have so little during Dr. Doctor's absence!


Not that I saw and im out of action for a few days (broken arm and lots of pain = no writing for a bit. Typing one handed so I'm less articulate than usual. :)

Arquen - thanks for giving me something to smile at. It's been a long day. :)
:D

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Ulti, I noticed another great thing you said. The spy glasses. Of course! great thinking, i wouldn't have remembered. for sigrun right?

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Arquen wrote...

Alright my friends... I present... The fruits of my labor...

A Fen for you all... It was just supposed to be a sketch! I just don't even know. I blame muses and lack of sleep and too much caffeine.

Based on this quote:

"Fen comes in, promptly at 9:05, wearing a black sweater I’ve never seen before. It looks old, kind of thin, and the hem at the neck has separated from the rest of the sweater a little. But he doesn’t look disheveled. He just looks…

I want to vault over this counter and pin him down on the floor next to the cream and sugar island.

Yeah. That’s how he looks." -- Coffee, Black

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Don't kill me!! *shifty eyes*


So, so very lovely. I especially like the detail of the markings on his hands :wub:

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i am quite literally writing in the dark here. I can't see the keyboard.

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mcilhany wrote...

Ulti, I noticed another great thing you said. The spy glasses. Of course! great thinking, i wouldn't have remembered. for sigrun right?


Yes, in Awakening, a spyglass was a gift for Sigrun. I figure if the Qunari understood how spyglasses worked, it wouldn't be too farfetched for eyeglasses to be invented.

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yes, yes . That is great insight. And I also agree with Harle, that eyeglasses wouldn't necessarily be for Fenris because of his fighting style. You also implied Qunari wouldn't need them.

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Thanks you guys so much for the compliments! *blushes*

If a guy like Fen had come in while I was working at Starbucks all those years ago, Hawkeward would not have covered it. I would be somewhere between Isabela all out vaulting over the counter and Hawke hyperventilating in the corner...

I promise next I will do a REAL Fenris. I still have a sketch sitting on my hard drive that I've been meaning to color/finish.

@ Ursula I'm so sorry! Your arm! Get better soon, and I'll be missing you and your fic until then.

@ Tank I'm really still worried about Dr. Doctor. Haven't heard a peep in a while. The banters were priceless and are sorely missed. I hope everything is okay...

As for prompts I've been rather lazy about them, LOL. Just haven't thought of anything particularly awesome to write.

As for the glasses discussion. I figure elves probably have naturally sharp eyesight to begin with. I doubt Fenris would ever need glasses or spectacles. The Qunari kind of have a lockdown on technology, but you know with magic and healing and all I seriously doubt anyone would actually have a need for glasses. I'm sure magic could cure whatever degeneration would occur to your eyes that causes you to lose sight.

That being said it is interesting to think about all the technology that the Qunari have that others do not. The cannon powder, the poisons, the spyglasses. They are apparently the most technologically advanced race in Thedas, but are rivaled by Tevinter's magic. Reminds me of what Fenris says when you give him the Blade of Mercy: "I believe the Qunari are saving their strength, building a massive fleet. When they wish true war, we will know." -- DUN DUN DUN...

#44013
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ugh. Finally getting back to DA2 after a 3-4 day stint of FF13.... FINALLY made it to Gran Pulse.... now I get the fun of grinding for CP >.>

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Arquen and CGG have interactive chemistry.

Hey, that rhymed! :-)

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I respect CGG a lot. We don't always agree on things, but I guess "interactive chemistry" is a good way to describe it.

Honestly the intelligence and pure ability of people around here to have rational discussion without getting all bulgy vein in forehead is why I stick around. It's a great group of people around here.

/offtopic Sadi --- Oh FFXIII --- it was not one of my favs. I loved Snow and Fang. Strong dislike for Vanille, Stronger dislike/hate for Hope.

I actually looked up a grinding guide when I got to Gran Pulse. It really helps because you kind of want to know what skillset/level to be when you reach the final boss or you will be so freakin screwed. I had to actually go back a little ways to Gran Pulse to gain more experience because I was tearing my hair out at the big boss. /offtopic rant.

As for Fenris... I saw what happens if you don't help him with Hadrianna. I BLAME YOUTUBE and curiosity. It. Is. Heartbreaking. "And here I thought you were different! May our paths not cross again, Hawke!" Those words, they cut deep. I mean you aren't even romancing him, and yet he is trying to trust you. Then to just be like "Well, this Hadrianna thing really isn't my problem... do what you want." Such a horrible thing to do to someone who already has a fragile trust in humans and anyone for that matter.

Then I just imagine him going solo to Hadrianna and I know he would probably slaughter them all by himself. Still, to just have him leave like that. I know he is insistent about "Lets do Hadrianna right now!" Yet it is because he knows she will continue to come after him again and again. People are so quick to be like "seriously, Fenris, why so pissed about this?" I really don't get it. Of course he is upset. Of course he wants to drop everything and go deal with her. "I was a fool to think I was free!"

#44016
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Arquen, when he says those words, those words you put last, thats it for me. I swear, something, it moves me like, well, like I've never been moved before in a game. what is happening to me?

At this point I'm not sure if you and I have potential to have interactive chemistry. I mean we seem like polar opposites but.. I mean, jeez, if I knew any of this was going to happen I never would have lost it like I did. I can't believe this is happening to me. I've never had a relationship like this before. And here I thought I was so perceptive. Shows what I know.

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Thanks for the kind words, mcilhany. I like this place because people actually will discuss character in a way I don't see many other places.

On the slightly-off-topic: the only Final Fantasy dudes I ever liked were Locke, Zidane, and Vincent. Actually, it's kind of disingenuous to list them in that order... Vincent was the first video game character I ever found attractive. Despite the fact that there are a ton of JRPGs I prefer, he's probably the JRPG character I find the most attractive, even now. After FFIX there wasn't ever anyone who seemed worth my time to care about.

Zidane and Locke, well... they're my usual type: charming rogues with a decent sense of humor and a romantic soul. Vincent is an anomaly in my list of fictional guys I like... but there's just something about someone who has lost that thoroughly and remains a nice person. That was a large part of why I liked him: all that tragedy, and he still wasn't bitter, or cruel, just very quiet and always sad.

Back on topic: Yes, refusing to help Fenris with Hadriana is heartbreaking. For me, Fenris's most interesting conflict is between his desire not to be alone and his desire to be free and completely self-reliant.  Every time he does something to join himself to other people, there's a bit of him standing off to the side saying "you idiot, you'll regret that later." 

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 08 septembre 2011 - 11:15 .


#44018
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Arquen wrote...

As for the glasses discussion. I figure elves probably have naturally sharp eyesight to begin with. I doubt Fenris would ever need glasses or spectacles. The Qunari kind of have a lockdown on technology, but you know with magic and healing and all I seriously doubt anyone would actually have a need for glasses. I'm sure magic could cure whatever degeneration would occur to your eyes that causes you to lose sight.


Well, depending on what kind of eye problem you have, it's not necessarily degeneration. I've had eye surgery recently to correct nearsightedness, and I was told that this was a result of my eye naturally being a tad too long. Meaning that, when I tried to look at far off things, the ideal focal point was situated before the retina, resulting in blurriness when the image did hit the retina. Not sure whether this kind of thing qualifies as something magic could heal. In fact, that's something I've always wondered about: is magic only meant to heal wounds and cure diseases, or could it also be used to correct something as genetically determined as a deformity?

Then again, maybe taking a scientific approach to magic isn't a good idea Posted Image

And in any case, if they took the traditional approach to elves having superior eyesight, it is a moot point, because neither Fenris, nor any other elf, would need glasses. Even if Fenris would totally rock them, as Arquen's pic proves.

The other thing I was wondering about is watches. Pocket watches were developed fairly early on, so do you think that, in a world where spyglasses exist, they'd already have watches?

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

On the slightly-off-topic: the only Final Fantasy dudes I ever liked were Locke, Zidane, and Vincent. Actually, it's kind of disingenuous to list them in that order... Vincent was the first video game character I ever found attractive. Despite the fact that there are a ton of JRPGs I prefer, he's probably the JRPG character I find the most attractive, even now. After FFIX there wasn't ever anyone who seemed worth my time to care about.


Not even Balthier? (also voiced by Gideon Emery, might I add, just in case Posted Image)

I agree on Vincent and Locke. I'll also throw in Edge, Kain, Edgar, Squall, Auron and Wakka (Tifa, Lulu and Fran on the women's side). Balthier's still by far my favourite FF character though.

As for FFXIII...ugh. It's not worse than FFII or FFX-2, but damn, does it try. Not only did I want to do very painful things to half of the cast (Vanille, Hope, Snow), but wtf was that storyline...? Still, I did like Sazh and Fang. Nothing exceptional, but hey, you gotta salvage something from the wreck besides pretty graphics and a battle system.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 08 septembre 2011 - 12:12 .


#44019
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I'm laughing so hard now I'm crying. See, my boyfriend installed this and was really mad at the time if I recall. My stomach is hurting from laughing so hard. At the fact I now actually kind of like how Arquen told me I sounded "really arrogant," but at the time, I was livid. I mean, I didn't know anyone here. I had actually told my self I was just going to put up my post and go, and hope perhaps it would mean something to, I don't know. I just needed to express myself. But I got responded to so fast that I felt the need to defend my point and not get it swept down by the rationalizations of others, because I had really thought about it a lot and I figured I might get some flack from people. But, see, I didn't know anyone at all. So what must have seemed like a personal attack to people who'd already been here a long time, was really not intended that way from my end. I was just trying to close the topic, but that was when people really started to take it personally.

Anyway, my boyfriend is who installed this and he said he hated it because he thought the website was confusing. And he's right, I find it confusing too. mcilhany is his last name, and I don't think I can change it now. My name is Leia, and anyone can call me that if they want. Or, call me by the name that was already here before I needed to use it. I just don't think I can change it, so it will always make me laugh if people call me it.

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#44020
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Thee conversation where you were saying that Danarius perhaps just liked watching Fenris kill people, for example. I was totally with that. I mean, I think I understood what you meant. Then I see Arquen saying it's making her brain break, and your like, I wasn't trying to break your brain, and then when you said people were making too much out of it when you were just thinking of a foot massage, and Arquen goes into this elaborate reason why it was more like how you said it or something? I just, it's totally lost on me unless I missed something. Every time I think about it, it makes me erupt into peals of laughter.

What you said about Fenris is true, but, give me some hope that Hawke is the one person he will never be disappointed getting close to.

Modifié par mcilhany, 08 septembre 2011 - 12:05 .


#44021
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I know the Arishok totally has a pocket watch, LMAO. He was probably checking it while you and your party were waiting for him to make his appearance and going "heh, fools..." :P

I usually tend to think elves in general have keener senses than humans. That may be from the Tolkienite in me, however, since in Dragon Age it really isn't stated. Still, there seems to be a fundamental difference there that elves have a bit more grace, prowess, capacity for agility. They just look like they are built more agile and to me that makes me think they probably have keener senses as well. The ears of course are obvious.

As for science and magic. Hmmm... I don't suppose magic could cure deformities. Then again, if a person was born blind, or crippled, why could magic not heal their eyes? Healing would be all about connecting to a spirit in the fade and returning the deformed or broken or diseased part to "normal" anatomy. However, if it *is* your normal anatomy, would it correct it to some standard anatomy? I'm not sure. It may just be limited to correcting degenerations/abnormalities from the individual's anatomy.

Also, 

Fenris's most interesting conflict is between his desire not to be alone and his desire to be free and completely self-reliant.  Every time he does something to join himself to other people, there's a bit of him standing off to the side saying "you idiot, you'll regret that later."


This is one of my most favorite character traits about Fenris. It is much like myself, and I really dialed in on it when I was watching his character. The fundamental loss of trust and belief that "everyone is out for themselves," and yet "no man is an island." That inner struggle he constantly endures is something I really enjoyed in the character.

I MUST do a Code Geass quote here: "There is a part of you that is a critique, constantly watching your own moves, and there's another part that is an observer, watching the critique, watching you. Your that kind of person." Fenris really is. There is a part of himself that is constantly judging and weighing options, and another part of him that is screaming out how bad an idea it is to trust anyone.

Fenris constantly talks about wanting to leave his past behind. Wanting to move on. Wanting to get out and be on his own and free. Yet, his past haunts him. Just when he thinks Danarius isn't coming, has perhaps not found him, and he is able to relax a bit in Kirkwall, Hadrianna shows up. It is a huge wake-up call, and he is so justifiably angry. It is such a personal reaction, and a very real one. That is another thing I do love about Fenris. He has very real emotions, and they are portrayed exactly as I think they should be.

@ CGG -- off topic aside: Vincent is my favorite FF character. Well, perhaps next to Tifa. FFVII will always have a special place in my heart. Sephiroth, HELLO? Cloud as well, though he isn't my favorite. I really didn't like the others after that. X and X-2 were meh, and XII well.. I couldn't get into it. Never played VIII or IX. Gahh, roman numerals... oh FF why do you test my knowledge of ancient counting systems??

@mcilhany -- perception is a funny thing, and can often be skewed on the internet. I'm hardly offended by you, and if we do have polar opposite views there is such thing as a rivalry, LOL. I am blunt by nature, and so that comes out in my internet self, but I'm not particularly vindictive or anything. I welcome you here as I would any other Fenris fan.

#44022
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Arquen,

Thank you for calling me that. I think it will grow on me :-). At this point, I just don't know. Are we more alike than different? Are we actually more alike and just got started on the way way
way wrong foot? I've always been of the mindset that blunt is best. And what you said about perception on the internet is totally true, and it's why I don't normally hang out on forums. As to whether we are in fact polar opposites or, well, not so much I guess we'll just have to see.

I never thought you were vindictive. I just knew I was being terribly misunderstood. And you don't need to generalize me. I usually welcome honesty. I wasn't welcoming anything when I first came here though. I'm usually not like that. You have to try to realize that I really don't do these things, so for me it was a very exceptional thing. I used to hang out on forums, help people with games, write reviews etc. But I got bored, and my real life got in the way. I had become more of the mindset that forums were a waste of time. I wasn't intending to do it again. Until now.

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Arquen wrote...
As for science and magic. Hmmm... I don't suppose magic could cure deformities. Then again, if a person was born blind, or crippled, why could magic not heal their eyes? Healing would be all about connecting to a spirit in the fade and returning the deformed or broken or diseased part to "normal" anatomy. However, if it *is* your normal anatomy, would it correct it to some standard anatomy? I'm not sure. It may just be limited to correcting degenerations/abnormalities from the individual's anatomy.

Ooh, theoretical discussion of magic. Love that. I always felt that magic has limitations. It restores the body to it's pre-injury or pre-illness state. So, for birth defects, healing magic would need to be applied during exactly the right phase of fetal development for it to do any good. Also, I tend to believe that magical healing cannot "redo" natural healing, so if a wound was allowed to heal on its own and it left a scar, that scar is there forever. So that would be *your* normal anatomy, not racial standard anatomy. I'm a bit conflicted about exsanguination. On the one hand, blood loss is blood loss. Unless it's a hematoma where blood is pooling under the skin and creating distortion, Bruising is nothing more than blood that has leaked from capillaries into the surrounding tissue, so healing would mend the capillaries, but it would not remove the blood that has infiltrated the skin. And massive blood loss... not sure. In my headcanon, healing magic restores the organs that are damaged by blood loss and keeps the patient from getting worse until the fluid volume can be restored ("Bottoms up!"), but a patient who has lost a lot of blood is going to be very weak, which explains the health reduction while injured. But that's headcanon, not something that's stated in any book.

As for the elf thing, there's nothing in the lore to suggest it's true. And I'm violently opposed to that whole "bestest at everything" line that Tolkien fed us, so I'm content to go with the Thedas lore that elves used to have superpowers but lost them after the fall of Arlathan, leaving them mortal and comparable to humans in terms of skill, perception, and ability. I'll concede a dexterity (and possibly magic) bonus, but only if it's balanced with a strength and willpower penalty. They aren't made to be powerhouses.

#44024
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Also you can totally change your login if you wish. You have to have your original serial codes though to re-register your games to the new account.

1.) create a new account.

Then on your mcilhany account go to:

My games --> Register games --> remove registration on your games

Then log into your new account and you can re-register your games under the new name. Voila! I did this with my copies of DA:O and Awakenings because they were registered under my boyfriend's account and he doesn't use forums.

Uhh... on topic. Fenris says: "Believe what you'de like. In my experience mages always find a way to justify their need for power." -- Even if he doesn't agree with you he says you can believe what you like. Rather... tolerant of him?

#44025
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berelinde wrote...

As for the elf thing, there's nothing in the lore to suggest it's true. And I'm violently opposed to that whole "bestest at everything" line that Tolkien fed us, so I'm content to go with the Thedas lore that elves used to have superpowers but lost them after the fall of Arlathan, leaving them mortal and comparable to humans in terms of skill, perception, and ability. I'll concede a dexterity (and possibly magic) bonus, but only if it's balanced with a strength and willpower penalty. They aren't made to be powerhouses.


Oh no, there's no question of them being powerhouses, but superior vision doesn't necessarily mean "bestest at everything". I completely agree that elves aren't, for example, more physically resilient than, say, dwarves, or more intelligent than any other race by default. It would make no sense. But considering the Dalish are primarily hunters, it would make sense to me that elves have keener senses in general. Although, it's possible that the Dalish would have an advantage in that department. City Elves might have less pronounced superiority, due to prolonged contact with humans.

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