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My solution would be to take apart the Templar system entirely. As a group Templars are trained to only fight mages, this is always going to "other" mages from normal people to them. I don't think constant surveillance is ever going to be the best solution, because people don't tend to do very well when they're treated like a bomb that might go off at any minute.
I think there certainly needs to be a school system for mages to learn to use and control their powers responsibly. Mages can access spells to negate other spell casters so I'd rather have those who can do that set up to watch over the schools as they're less likely to see themselves as different then the students.
Instead of templars I think that city guardsmen should be trained in those techniques. We know from Alistair that you don't have to do much more the special training to gain those abilities. That way criminal mages are in the same class as mundane criminals, decreasing the 'other-ness' of mage vs non-mage and make it more about criminals vs non-criminals.
The major barrier to something like this is the way The Chantry is set up with the Templars as their personal army, they don't want others to know how they are trained and they don't want their templars getting away from them.

Eeep, edit for top, a picture of Marric and Fenris in the deep roads I did a while ago
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"Somewhere in the Deep Roads, before everything goes wrong, Marric nods
off during a rest stop. Fenris wonders why he’s so attached to this
mage; maybe he’s bewitched him after all."

Modifié par ReiSilver, 12 septembre 2011 - 06:28 .


#44177
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Good. Now I can hit on Arquen and (maybe) get away with it.

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ReiSilver wrote...

Eeep, edit for top, a picture of Marric and Fenris in the deep roads I did a while ago
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"Somewhere in the Deep Roads, before everything goes wrong, Marric nods
off during a rest stop. Fenris wonders why he’s so attached to this
mage; maybe he’s bewitched him after all."


Maker's breath, I LOVE the quote (and the drawing, of course)!!! It is so beautifully... beautiful (lol). It soooo seems like something Fenris would do: stay awake while Hawke (or any other love interest) nods off, surveying her/him with those intense, puppy green eyes, lost in thought and wonderment. Sigh. 

Modifié par Arcane_Solona, 12 septembre 2011 - 06:38 .


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Rei, you are always my Fenris-thread favorite, and your art makes me happy. <3

#44180
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I thought you'd all like to see this:

Its a brilliant Fenris tribute; the best I've ever seen! And seeing as this is the official Fenris discussion thread, I thought I should share it with you all (:

Modifié par Arcane_Solona, 12 septembre 2011 - 06:50 .


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@Arcane_Solona I was inspired by the scene in Sleepy Hollow "Perhaps there's is a bit of the witch in you." "Why do you say that?" "Because you have bewitched me." I just couldn't get that out of my head thinking about Marric and Fenris' rivalmance.

@CGG aww Thank you! I always love reading your analysis on the boards *hugs*

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ReiSilver wrote...

@Arcane_Solona I was inspired by the scene in Sleepy Hollow "Perhaps there's is a bit of the witch in you." "Why do you say that?" "Because you have bewitched me." I just couldn't get that out of my head thinking about Marric and Fenris' rivalmance.

@CGG aww Thank you! I always love reading your analysis on the boards *hugs*


The quote personally reminded me of Edward Rochester and Jane Eyre. He also tells her the exact same line "perhaps there is a bit of the witch in you". He further goes on to say how Jane had bewitched him the moment he first saw her. Its one of my favourite novels, and this quote soo reminded me of it!

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I love that movie, Sleepy Hollow. Great imagery, and it's about the headless horseman.

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Posted Image

by aimo

EDIT

Fenris dancing


by Arylas


Someone will need to teach me how to paste the flash image from dA. Gosh.

Modifié par tankgirly, 12 septembre 2011 - 09:27 .


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I...need a bit of a sanity check here.

I'm in Act 3 of my fourth attempt at doing a "canon" playthrough with Fenris/male mage Hawke. I haven't played in about three weeks, and I'm wondering if I should start over. My excuse is that I want to use some of my new mods, but the real reason is that I love Act 2. I love the character development, and the Fenris romance, even though it breaks my heart to see him leave. I also like feeling as though I still have choices, unlike Act 3, where it feels like I'm just racing ahead to an inevitable conclusion.

So...is it completely sad and pathetic and insane to play through with the same Hawke 5 times?

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darkrose wrote...

I...need a bit of a sanity check here.

I'm in Act 3 of my fourth attempt at doing a "canon" playthrough with Fenris/male mage Hawke. I haven't played in about three weeks, and I'm wondering if I should start over. My excuse is that I want to use some of my new mods, but the real reason is that I love Act 2. I love the character development, and the Fenris romance, even though it breaks my heart to see him leave. I also like feeling as though I still have choices, unlike Act 3, where it feels like I'm just racing ahead to an inevitable conclusion.

So...is it completely sad and pathetic and insane to play through with the same Hawke 5 times?


Nope. Absolutely not. Its my 2nd time playing with the same Hawke (female warrior- I was a female mage once but stopped short before fighting the Arishok at the end of Act 2), and I am absolutely certain that I'll keep playing with the same Hawke for at least 5 times, if not more. You're perfectly normal ^_^

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darkrose wrote...

I...need a bit of a sanity check here.

I'm in Act 3 of my fourth attempt at doing a "canon" playthrough with Fenris/male mage Hawke. I haven't played in about three weeks, and I'm wondering if I should start over. My excuse is that I want to use some of my new mods, but the real reason is that I love Act 2. I love the character development, and the Fenris romance, even though it breaks my heart to see him leave. I also like feeling as though I still have choices, unlike Act 3, where it feels like I'm just racing ahead to an inevitable conclusion.

So...is it completely sad and pathetic and insane to play through with the same Hawke 5 times?



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":pinched:...but, why?"- husband
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Modifié par Heidenreich, 12 septembre 2011 - 12:33 .


#44188
mcilhany

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Oh my gosh that's the exact interaction with me and my boyfriend! I just want to try different tree builds and stuff. Oh and Heidenn, that collage you put up of the drawings with female Hawke and Fenris is so nice. That Hawke... is so my thief. I love the part where she's teaching Fenris how to read. That collage says a lot about how I feel with my Fenris. And the detail in the drawing! What she's wearing is so my thief outfit. You get that complete outfit by killing Oswald the Braggart. It's a good thing I like playing more as a mage tho. I don't like killing anyone unnecessarily.

You look like Ursula now!  Maybe she's not an elf.  I got you guys confused there for a second.

Modifié par mcilhany, 12 septembre 2011 - 12:42 .


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tankgirly wrote...

Fenris dancing

by Arylas

Someone will need to teach me how to paste the flash image from dA. Gosh.


THIS... forever! Is it sad I actually dance like that? Also, Illuminated is my ringtone... and not because of that video or anything *cough*denial*cough*

Maker, I was catching up on my True Blood tonight. I missed so much here!

It is definitely not sad to play the same Hawke a bajillion times! Although, I do have 6 Fenris romances I did play them all differently. My favorite so far has been my 2nd friendmancing mage sarcastic/aggressive. She was just the bit of everything that I wanted in that PT. I feel her and Fenris were the best connection and everything just fell into place as far as quests/dialogue/companion interactions etc.

I don't make the "exact" Hawke each time, but I have made similar Hawkes. They don't look the same, but I tend to stick with the same personality types. I absolutely adored my aggressive Hawke. My sarcastic Hawke was a blast too. My least favorite is probably my diplo Hawke. The best I think is a mix and match hodgepodge of all 3 though I lean far into aggressive/sarcastic and only RARELY ever use a diplo line. I want it to be like "everyone turns and goes ... Hawke just said what now?" when I use a diplo line, LOL.

As for serious face argument: I don't think anyone can live in extremes, but that is what DA2 forces you to do. In fact, Thedas never has had any kind of history of peaceful resolve. It is either war, rebellion, drastic action or all out tyranny. In fact I was reading THIS lovely thing on THEDASOLOGY the other day, and found it quite intriguing.

The whole theme of "people want change but do nothing FOR change" is an inherent problem in the social norm that IS people. Consider this example: When you are being taught CPR you are told to point to a specific person and say "YOU.. go call 911.." You do not just say "someone call 911" because people will look around them and figure "eh, someone else will do it." Likewise another ethical example -- A woman was stabbed to death in an apartment complex and there were over 100 witnesses. 100 witnesses, and not ONE came out to help her, and if I remember the example correctly only 2 calls came into 911 reporting the incident. When your dealing with a large crowd of people - they look to someone else to take the risk. It is, simply, flawed human nature. Self preservation. Yet there are volumes written on the "one man can make a difference" phenomenon. However, the simple fact is most people are sheeple. They aren't going to oppose social norms or step out of their comfort zones. If they do, there are punishments and risks. Nobody is an ubermensch, and most people don't want to be.

Also, it depends on what kind of change we are talking about here. If you can accept that the Chantry and the Templars can be changed within that is one thing. If you believe, like Anders, that the Chantry and the institution is beyond saving and must be built from scratch or not exist at all that is another. There is technically evidence to support both sides. Meredith made it no easier for the Templars to reform than the Circle did to help the mages reform. The problem also with ruling bodies is that they are inevitably subject to corruption. Are you just subjugating mages to another council? Creating a new Tevinter Imperium council because you have mages on it? There aren't soul testing rules to make sure some benevelent and just force always doing the right thing is in power. It is not that simple. So the idea of reform is intrinsically way more complicated and (to Anders) more useless to try than just starting from nothing. Destroying then Creating something new, and hoping that something will inevitably lead to a better system. Still, I do agree with Fenris. That it isn't that simple. "Because nothing bad ever came from good intentions..."

#44190
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That's somewhat of a gruesome parallel...

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That's my Asyla Tabris, one of my 4 canon Wardens and the object of a story I'm writing. She's my "Angel Hawke" DA2 Playthrough's Warden.... because as adorable as Amell/Hawke can be, Tabirs is a Zevran girl. I like the idea of Two City elves, and a City-Slave elf sitting around a campfire telling Hawke City-Elf-Life stories.

My Amell is for my Angelica Hawke, a rogue, who romanced Anders. Angelica Hawke, and Alicia Amell. My Amell is insane, and even though she has a King Alistair, she's still jealous as hell of her cousin for landing Anders when she couldn't. I predict much chaos and jealousy. *nod*

My Dalish Warden, who romanced Alistair and they stayed together in the Wardens, is for Rik Hawke, who Romanced Merrill. Then Warden Alistair and Rik can compare crazy-dalish-elf-lover stories ^_^.

And my Queen Cousland is for my Lisbet Hawke, who Romanced Fenris, and sides with the Templars and sends Anders away for what he did to the Chantry. *nod*


and I totally rambled.

#44192
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No no not at all. Your avatars are very pretty. I always thought so. You know, I had made this character for Zevran too because I liked the sex scene better as an elf (my first Zevran lover was Derel...and yet I named this little elf Derel too haha.) I decided even though this elf photographed better with Zevran, that the story made more sense to me with my human falling in love with Zevran. But, As soon as I figure out how to put screenshots up, I'll share the snapshot of this little elf with Zevran. It's really cute. I have since decided maybe I should hold this character out for Cullen. Get the whole intra-racial thing going. I guess I kind of have a thing for that.

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Those are really good stories, Heiden. What I didn't like about my elf with Zevran is that he wont ever say anything about my beeeeing an elf. It just... bothered me a little. But that is a really cute idea about all of the city elves. Maybe I should reconsider. We'll see. If Cullen becomes romanceable, this is probably the character for him.

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Heidenreich wrote...

darkrose wrote...

I...need a bit of a sanity check here.

I'm in Act 3 of my fourth attempt at doing a "canon" playthrough with Fenris/male mage Hawke. I haven't played in about three weeks, and I'm wondering if I should start over. My excuse is that I want to use some of my new mods, but the real reason is that I love Act 2. I love the character development, and the Fenris romance, even though it breaks my heart to see him leave. I also like feeling as though I still have choices, unlike Act 3, where it feels like I'm just racing ahead to an inevitable conclusion.

So...is it completely sad and pathetic and insane to play through with the same Hawke 5 times?



Welcome to my world!

":huh:...why are they all named exactly the same?" - Husband
"B)...because! They're all the same girl!"
":pinched:...but, why?"- husband
":huh: what do you mean, why? Because I'm trying to get the perfect playthrough."

"<_< you are so weird" - Husband

":devil:"


My world too!!  I've played through countless times (at least 10) and 4 have been the same Hawke.  I too aim for the "perfect" game.  
My husband usually just rolls his eyes (and then returns to D&D!)

As for siding with templars/mages, I've played both - depends on how irritated I'm feeling by the (sometimes) whiny mages.  My preferred games, and any that I will import into DA3 are siding with the mages however...

#44195
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Oh my gosh I'm so relieved. Everyone's done the same thing I did! :-) I went from Sebastian to Fenris, then to Anders, back to Sebastian, then inevitably back to Fenris on my current "main" Hawke. I'm going with that one.

I have another female mage Hawke completely done with Fenris, but...gosh I'm such a ridiculous nut-job, I decided I can't go with that one until I go back and get those attribute points from the fade. How ridiculous is that?

I'm on my third character for Fenris currently, also a mage, but with different eybrows and hairstyle. She looks almost identical to my thief who is currently in between Fenris and Anders since Anders is my best option for a healer. If he helps too much in the healing department, I will definitely not be ok with killing him, and I'm already not ok with it. If I feel he's helped me too much, there will be no way I could live with killing him. Also, I like that black outfit he gets in Act 3. If I side with the templars and Anders is just going to die anyway, I haven't been doing his quests or leveling him or anything. Just doesn't seem right to work him up only to have to kill him later.

At any rate, I will probably have the thief, Emanuelle, go with Fenris and side with the mages. My heart gets broken tho when Anders will ask why I don't want him over Fenris right before you go into the sewers to get that Sela Petrae, or whatever it's called. My heart melts there, and I never know what to say to him.

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*reads Coffee,Black, and dies a little bit*

OMG

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mcilhany wrote...

Oh my gosh I'm so relieved. Everyone's done the same thing I did! :-) I went from Sebastian to Fenris, then to Anders, back to Sebastian, then inevitably back to Fenris on my current "main" Hawke. I'm going with that one.

I have another female mage Hawke completely done with Fenris, but...gosh I'm such a ridiculous nut-job, I decided I can't go with that one until I go back and get those attribute points from the fade. How ridiculous is that?

I'm on my third character for Fenris currently, also a mage, but with different eybrows and hairstyle. She looks almost identical to my thief who is currently in between Fenris and Anders since Anders is my best option for a healer. If he helps too much in the healing department, I will definitely not be ok with killing him, and I'm already not ok with it. If I feel he's helped me too much, there will be no way I could live with killing him. Also, I like that black outfit he gets in Act 3. If I side with the templars and Anders is just going to die anyway, I haven't been doing his quests or leveling him or anything. Just doesn't seem right to work him up only to have to kill him later.

At any rate, I will probably have the thief, Emanuelle, go with Fenris and side with the mages. My heart gets broken tho when Anders will ask why I don't want him over Fenris right before you go into the sewers to get that Sela Petrae, or whatever it's called. My heart melts there, and I never know what to say to him.


I'd like to be able to say "I like his pointy armor, his giant sword and his self-awareness to know he needs time to come back to me".  Instead, I say "you just don't know him", which I find to be a lacklustre answer as Anders then proceeds to be a hypocrite with his response of "open-mindedness".  If Fenris is with you, he's not impressed either. 
Anders is just too preachy for me from the beginning - I understand his cause but he's too pushy about it for my taste (Anders fans don't hate me!).  And it's all he talks about....

#44198
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@ Cosmo

I agree. But I'm so soft inside that I interpreted him (Anders) to be fighting for me a little, and that is where it gets me. It really is as though some parts of the Fenris romance are incomplete compared to Anders because... well, maybe that's not entirely true. Hm. I'm in between about it because I love Fenris so damned much that if I for one second think he won't fight for me or whatever...but if I start up on this subject I don't know if I'll be able to stop.

I'm a jealous woman. I want everything. Heiden, Rei, and Arquen got me thinking about the error of my ways so...

But I had the same problems with Zevran. I could go on about that for pages too.

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You take Fenris along and let him do the talking for you, LOL. Problem solved...

Anders: He has let one bad experience color his whole world. Surely you want someone more open minded.

Fenris: A mage and a hypocrit, what company you keep...

I just chuckle... "yeah, I know what you mean Fenris..." Plus my Hawke is thinking "Oh, he's a wild beast all right... in bed..." *trollface* and "Hello, pot... meet kettle... I swore you guys had met before?"

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Bah, my Angel is all just "...Oh Anders, we've been over this *sadfase*"

Because Anders is totally her BFF 4 lyfe. and she knows he loves her.. and had she never met Fenris.. but she did, and there's no going back.

;p