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Giggles_Manically wrote...

Two Handed swords only weigh upwards of like 15 pounds at the HEAVIEST.
To a trained fighter that is not overly heavy.

Playing a blood mage Hawke right now makes me sad that Anders and Fenris have nothing to say about it. Especially since Hawke uses Fenris as a health battery a lot.

What can I say I find humor in that.



Apparently they didn't add blood magic for Hawke till well after the VO and writing process was over, thus the reason that Anders/Fenris never say anything about him being a blood mage.

Le sigh

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That would have been funny to get a rant about being a blood mage truth be told.

Ah well maybe they can add it in a DLC?
Or at least change it so Hawke does not ALWAYS GO OMG BLOOD MAGIC! .... when Hawke is a blood mage.

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LOL, you are adorable! Walk away from the tv, all so that you don't click the romance option. LOL! In my first playthrough, I romanced Anders because I recruited him before even knowing that Fenris existed, and I always had a thing for him in Awakening, so I was like "YES! FINALLY, MY CHANCE TO ROMANCE THAT CUTE MAGE!" The excitement only lasted for a few minutes though, because little did I know that the loveable, charming Anders from Awakening was no more<_<

I couldn't stand his whining throughout the game, and the only bit that brought me close to melting was that line of his "this is the rule I will most cherish breaking" or something, followed by that passionate kiss. Otherwise, bleaugh. By Act 3, when there was practically no romance left AT ALL, I was so MAD at him, I just wanted to kill him off (but I couldn't in the end; my Hawke was a softy).

I remember thinking to myself when I finished the 1st playthrough "Never again, Anders. NEVER again." And that's when my love affair started with Fenris, and it is still ongoing as we speak!

I will never be able to get enough of that sinfully perfect elf. Nope. Never^_^


I remember when the concept art and first screenshots of Fenris came out, I was very skeptical. Really, Bioware, a white haired pretty boy elf? Then when he walked on the screen and started talking, I was like... wow, okay, that is quite pleasant. And then when he was angry, he was apologetic. When he was corrected, he was thoughtful. And finally "I have been thinking of you. In fact I've been able to think of little else." And that was it. I'm a solid Fenris girl. :wub::wub:

The Anders romance, on the other hand, just makes me feel bad. I realize that his mission is his main priority, and I'm fine with that. But to repeatedly lie to me with the excuse of trying to "protect" me, then in the same conversation accuse me of not doing enough to support the mage cause? To hell with you, Anders. I broke up with him after that. :?


I had the same thoughts.  Fenris looked good from the start but I confess I sort of dismissed him as the pretty elf.  But interacting with him in game changed my mind about him, totally.  I guess that's obvious since I am a Fenwoman :wub:.  I wanted to do the Anders romance badly when I started to play with my FemHawke.  But as I have said before he scared me off.  Heck, I can live with his zeal for his cause, one of my FemHawkes feels the same way but he's just too intense for me.

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Arquen wrote...

Oh you guys... "flatterers"

OH god Fleshy! I am hyperventilating with you! I am currently trying to do some research for you to see if there is a way to recover lost things on xbox. It seems like it isn't really possible unless you open the thing up and get out the hard-drive and try to restore it from there. I'm.. I'm... *hugs*

"I don't know what to say, but I am here..." is literally all I could think of. What is wrong with me?

As for the Danarius thing. Fenris was a slave mentality completely before the Fog Warriors. I don't think he ever sounded nostalgic or regretful. "The look on his face when the ship pulled out was priceless."

As for the "I had no intention of escaping. That time." I refuse to believe that Fenris had any kind of "affection" or "like" for Danarius. It was a master/slave relationship and while he may have been a lot like Orana in the mentality that this was his life and there was no choice at all he obviously suffered under Danarius. He learned from the Fog Warriors what freedom could be. Yet when Danarius came back it just snapped for him. A reality check to the maximum degree. The "fantasy life" was over. I actually know this feeling. To be so rooted into something for a few months and then all of a sudden reality of the past draws you back, and it feels like what life you have been living never existed at all.

He is regretful, sad, remorseful for actually being capable of doing these murders for Danarius. At that point the inner slave was dying because he questioned, he doubted, he realized he WANTED something more. It was as he said "he looked down at their bodies.. and" he couldn't imagine what he had done for Danarius or doing it again, ever. I think at that point he just ran. He wasn't running from Danarius specifically, but just running. Leaving behind everything, Danarius, the Fog Warriors.. everything.

I think it wasn't until later when Danarius "mounted the hunt in earnest" that he actually began to run from Danarius specifically and to escape recapture. Too much had changed for him by that point, and the slave mentality was withering. He finally realized something had been wrong all those years as a slave and he wanted more. He wanted to be free. "Everything was fine!" "It wasn't.. you just didn't realize it.."

As for my pic... ermmm.. uhh... LMAO -- OH GOD I dunno... It's so shameful. I died laughing doing it though. Tears.. there were tears. I CANNOT DRAW WITH MY LEFT HAND! Forgive me Fenris.. 10000x forgive me.

OH FINE... You people convinced me.. that and my boyfriend was like "omg you did it just post it!" -- FINE... but i'm LINKING the damn thing. IT is HORRIBLE and will not grace the Fenris thread with its monstrosity-ness. :pinched:

arquen.deviantart.com/art/Right-Is-Wrong-Meme-Fenris-259293269


I agree.  I think that killing the Fog Warriors was the shock that Fenris needed to break the slave mentality. It was the only life he had ever know epsecially with the memory wipe.  Taking away someone's memories is a powerful tool.  And I think your drawing with your non-dominant hand is very good.  Kudos to you!^_^

Fleshdress, I'm sorry to hear about your lost saves.  I feel your pain, it's happen to me.  I learned the hard way to back up <_< (my data loss wasn't game saves).  But on the bright side you can play again.  I hope you feel better about it. 

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Arquen wrote...

‘Schrödinger’s Cat - Just don’t look in the box.’ -- that made me lol. I do use that analogy quite often, but I don't know why anyone in Thedas would know quantum physics jokes. I'm also curious if Hawke is going to come sweeping in for the rescue, LOL. Oh, and magisters... of course it would be some crazy magisters. Oh that reminds me -- it is Danarius and Isabela (another common one). It makes me cringe a little when people mispell those. Shaping up to be an interesting fic. Are you going to put it on FF.net or DA or LJ or AO3 or what have you?

Oh, now I am bombarded with good fics... I just finished reading MUTE and I was enthralled. A dark fic where femHawke gets kidnapped and tortured and the healing process afterward. Lovely Fenris and Fem!Hawke romance/interactions. The writing style, the visuals, the prose, the flow, the emotions, the characters. It was a great read. Probably known to some of you guys. I am just sort of catching up on "older" fics. LOL.

Sadly now I am too tired to work on my own fic. However, I think I might have a direction to take it in now. So, YAY.



Thanks for posting that link, I don't read much fanfiction but that had me hooked, I have so much I was supposed to do but instead I spent the afternoon reading that :P

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omearaee wrote...

phaonica wrote...

Arcane_Solona wrote...

LOL, you are adorable! Walk away from the tv, all so that you don't click the romance option. LOL! In my first playthrough, I romanced Anders because I recruited him before even knowing that Fenris existed, and I always had a thing for him in Awakening, so I was like "YES! FINALLY, MY CHANCE TO ROMANCE THAT CUTE MAGE!" The excitement only lasted for a few minutes though, because little did I know that the loveable, charming Anders from Awakening was no more<_<

I couldn't stand his whining throughout the game, and the only bit that brought me close to melting was that line of his "this is the rule I will most cherish breaking" or something, followed by that passionate kiss. Otherwise, bleaugh. By Act 3, when there was practically no romance left AT ALL, I was so MAD at him, I just wanted to kill him off (but I couldn't in the end; my Hawke was a softy).

I remember thinking to myself when I finished the 1st playthrough "Never again, Anders. NEVER again." And that's when my love affair started with Fenris, and it is still ongoing as we speak!

I will never be able to get enough of that sinfully perfect elf. Nope. Never^_^


I remember when the concept art and first screenshots of Fenris came out, I was very skeptical. Really, Bioware, a white haired pretty boy elf? Then when he walked on the screen and started talking, I was like... wow, okay, that is quite pleasant. And then when he was angry, he was apologetic. When he was corrected, he was thoughtful. And finally "I have been thinking of you. In fact I've been able to think of little else." And that was it. I'm a solid Fenris girl. :wub::wub:

The Anders romance, on the other hand, just makes me feel bad. I realize that his mission is his main priority, and I'm fine with that. But to repeatedly lie to me with the excuse of trying to "protect" me, then in the same conversation accuse me of not doing enough to support the mage cause? To hell with you, Anders. I broke up with him after that. :?


I had the same thoughts.  Fenris looked good from the start but I confess I sort of dismissed him as the pretty elf.  But interacting with him in game changed my mind about him, totally.  I guess that's obvious since I am a Fenwoman :wub:.  I wanted to do the Anders romance badly when I started to play with my FemHawke.  But as I have said before he scared me off.  Heck, I can live with his zeal for his cause, one of my FemHawkes feels the same way but he's just too intense for me.



Bah, Anders is no less the Anders he ever was. Go replay Awakening. They're the same person (albit with a different voice ;p) The only difference between them is the addition of Justice, and really his justice-ee manic doesn't really even show itself till act3 ;p


*DEFENDS HER ANDERS TO THE DEATH, BIG SWORD*

<3

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Heidenreich wrote...

omearaee wrote...

phaonica wrote...

Arcane_Solona wrote...

LOL, you are adorable! Walk away from the tv, all so that you don't click the romance option. LOL! In my first playthrough, I romanced Anders because I recruited him before even knowing that Fenris existed, and I always had a thing for him in Awakening, so I was like "YES! FINALLY, MY CHANCE TO ROMANCE THAT CUTE MAGE!" The excitement only lasted for a few minutes though, because little did I know that the loveable, charming Anders from Awakening was no more<_<

I couldn't stand his whining throughout the game, and the only bit that brought me close to melting was that line of his "this is the rule I will most cherish breaking" or something, followed by that passionate kiss. Otherwise, bleaugh. By Act 3, when there was practically no romance left AT ALL, I was so MAD at him, I just wanted to kill him off (but I couldn't in the end; my Hawke was a softy).

I remember thinking to myself when I finished the 1st playthrough "Never again, Anders. NEVER again." And that's when my love affair started with Fenris, and it is still ongoing as we speak!

I will never be able to get enough of that sinfully perfect elf. Nope. Never^_^


I remember when the concept art and first screenshots of Fenris came out, I was very skeptical. Really, Bioware, a white haired pretty boy elf? Then when he walked on the screen and started talking, I was like... wow, okay, that is quite pleasant. And then when he was angry, he was apologetic. When he was corrected, he was thoughtful. And finally "I have been thinking of you. In fact I've been able to think of little else." And that was it. I'm a solid Fenris girl. :wub::wub:

The Anders romance, on the other hand, just makes me feel bad. I realize that his mission is his main priority, and I'm fine with that. But to repeatedly lie to me with the excuse of trying to "protect" me, then in the same conversation accuse me of not doing enough to support the mage cause? To hell with you, Anders. I broke up with him after that. :?


I had the same thoughts.  Fenris looked good from the start but I confess I sort of dismissed him as the pretty elf.  But interacting with him in game changed my mind about him, totally.  I guess that's obvious since I am a Fenwoman :wub:.  I wanted to do the Anders romance badly when I started to play with my FemHawke.  But as I have said before he scared me off.  Heck, I can live with his zeal for his cause, one of my FemHawkes feels the same way but he's just too intense for me.



Bah, Anders is no less the Anders he ever was. Go replay Awakening. They're the same person (albit with a different voice ;p) The only difference between them is the addition of Justice, and really his justice-ee manic doesn't really even show itself till act3 ;p


*DEFENDS HER ANDERS TO THE DEATH, BIG SWORD*

<3


I never played Awakening, so I can't agree or disagree with you. Regardless, I can't stand Anders, but I think he's interestingly-written character. ^_^

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I can't hate DA2 Anders. I start off a new playthrough so angry with him for the whole chantry balm business... but then he gives me the "don't threaten ME, little girl" line... and later calls me "sweetheart" with that adorable look... and pouts over his cat...
...and I can't even be angry anymore. Posted Image

Still prefer Fenris, though. Posted ImagePosted Image 

"I have... pretty eyes... Posted Image"

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Man, been gone for a while. Social life takes the time of me. Anyway, have a Fenris<.

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Since we where talking about pretty eyes.

Meeszy Alexy wrote...
I can't stand Anders, but I think he's interestingly-written character. ^_^


Something I completely agree on.

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Heidenreich wrote...

omearaee wrote...

phaonica wrote...

Arcane_Solona wrote...

LOL, you are adorable! Walk away from the tv, all so that you don't click the romance option. LOL! In my first playthrough, I romanced Anders because I recruited him before even knowing that Fenris existed, and I always had a thing for him in Awakening, so I was like "YES! FINALLY, MY CHANCE TO ROMANCE THAT CUTE MAGE!" The excitement only lasted for a few minutes though, because little did I know that the loveable, charming Anders from Awakening was no more<_<

I couldn't stand his whining throughout the game, and the only bit that brought me close to melting was that line of his "this is the rule I will most cherish breaking" or something, followed by that passionate kiss. Otherwise, bleaugh. By Act 3, when there was practically no romance left AT ALL, I was so MAD at him, I just wanted to kill him off (but I couldn't in the end; my Hawke was a softy).

I remember thinking to myself when I finished the 1st playthrough "Never again, Anders. NEVER again." And that's when my love affair started with Fenris, and it is still ongoing as we speak!

I will never be able to get enough of that sinfully perfect elf. Nope. Never^_^


I remember when the concept art and first screenshots of Fenris came out, I was very skeptical. Really, Bioware, a white haired pretty boy elf? Then when he walked on the screen and started talking, I was like... wow, okay, that is quite pleasant. And then when he was angry, he was apologetic. When he was corrected, he was thoughtful. And finally "I have been thinking of you. In fact I've been able to think of little else." And that was it. I'm a solid Fenris girl. :wub::wub:

The Anders romance, on the other hand, just makes me feel bad. I realize that his mission is his main priority, and I'm fine with that. But to repeatedly lie to me with the excuse of trying to "protect" me, then in the same conversation accuse me of not doing enough to support the mage cause? To hell with you, Anders. I broke up with him after that. :?


I had the same thoughts.  Fenris looked good from the start but I confess I sort of dismissed him as the pretty elf.  But interacting with him in game changed my mind about him, totally.  I guess that's obvious since I am a Fenwoman :wub:.  I wanted to do the Anders romance badly when I started to play with my FemHawke.  But as I have said before he scared me off.  Heck, I can live with his zeal for his cause, one of my FemHawkes feels the same way but he's just too intense for me.



Bah, Anders is no less the Anders he ever was. Go replay Awakening. They're the same person (albit with a different voice ;p) The only difference between them is the addition of Justice, and really his justice-ee manic doesn't really even show itself till act3 ;p


*DEFENDS HER ANDERS TO THE DEATH, BIG SWORD*

<3


No need for a sword,:(  I like Anders, a lot actually. Everyone of my Hawkes wanted help him in one form or another.   I just don't like his romance.

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Heidenreich wrote...


*DEFENDS HER ANDERS TO THE DEATH, BIG SWORD*

<3


~stands back to back with Heidenreich~ 

:lol:

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Vrex_12 wrote...

Man, been gone for a while. Social life takes the time of me. Anyway, have a Fenris<.

Posted Image

Since we where talking about pretty eyes.

Meeszy Alexy wrote...
I can't stand Anders, but I think he's interestingly-written character. ^_^


Something I completely agree on.




I also think that Fenris has the prettiest eyes. It's why I made my signature feature them. They're the prettiest green colour that I've ever seen. <3

(I can never get the colour right when I doodle Fenris though. <_<:crying:)

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Sialater wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...


*DEFENDS HER ANDERS TO THE DEATH, BIG SWORD*

<3


~stands back to back with Heidenreich~ 

:lol:


::Hovers overhead, dropping lightning bolts:::

Back on topic, I agree with Arquen about Fenris, Danarius, and the Fog Warriors... and when Arquen and I agree, it's a rare day indeed.

I'd add only one thing: I think that, after killing the Fog Warriors, Fenris not only realized that what he had done was horrible, he also realized that he could have chosen not to... that it wasn't really inevitable. For the first time, he realized that he had his own will, but that may also have caused him to feel actually responsible for the first time.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 20 septembre 2011 - 04:52 .


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Meh I am mostly over it. Ohhh there is a fic out there kinda like Mute (Which I agree was pretty good) but done with a MHawke, in which He is kidnapped by Qunari who make him a Serrabas. It was heart wrenching and I shall go find it... It looks like it's been sort of abandoned but luckily where this one was left it could pass as an ending. Needlework. It's actually kinda sad because the author is holding hostage almost all my favorite unfinished fics, like Enthralled... makes me pout all day.

Can't even say how depressing it is, I use the tracking on LJ in the updates section of DA kink meme, to watch for any of my faves updating, okay... just Coffee, Black the rest never post in there, and everytime I have checked lately it's been a Fenders fic. I hate Fenders, *growl, snarl, hiss* Not that I feel forced to read them, but the let down feeling. Posted Image Meh maybe I am just still feeling a little mopey.

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Fleshdress wrote...

Meh I am mostly over it. Ohhh there is a fic out there kinda like Mute (Which I agree was pretty good) but done with a MHawke, in which He is kidnapped by Qunari who make him a Serrabas. It was heart wrenching and I shall go find it... It looks like it's been sort of abandoned but luckily where this one was left it could pass as an ending. Needlework. It's actually kinda sad because the author is holding hostage almost all my favorite unfinished fics, like Enthralled... makes me pout all day.

Can't even say how depressing it is, I use the tracking on LJ in the updates section of DA kink meme, to watch for any of my faves updating, okay... just Coffee, Black the rest never post in there, and everytime I have checked lately it's been a Fenders fic. I hate Fenders, *growl, snarl, hiss* Not that I feel forced to read them, but the let down feeling. Posted Image Meh maybe I am just still feeling a little mopey.


Ugh, I know the exact feeling. I'm almost tempted to write some M!Hawke/Fenris as a result of the annoying amount of Fenders out there. (It's not even a pairing that makes sense!) I have no ideas for it right now though. :crying:

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Shipping rule #30:
If two male characters hate each other, they actually just want to sleep with each other.

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Collider wrote...

Shipping rule #30:
If two male characters hate each other, they actually just want to sleep with each other.


You mean they DON'T?????  *gasp*

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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...


*DEFENDS HER ANDERS TO THE DEATH, BIG SWORD*

<3


~stands back to back with Heidenreich~ 

:lol:


::Hovers overhead, dropping lightning bolts:::

Back on topic, I agree with Arquen about Fenris, Danarius, and the Fog Warriors... and when Arquen and I agree, it's a rare day indeed.

I'd add only one thing: I think that, after killing the Fog Warriors, Fenris not only realized that what he had done was horrible, he also realized that he could have chosen not to... that it wasn't really inevitable. For the first time, he realized that he had his own will, but that may also have caused him to feel actually responsible for the first time.


I thought the same thing, especially the way he talks about it - it definitely bothers him.

And fleshdress, I've scoured my 360 looking to see if there is some way to recover, and alas I cannot find it.  But, on the bright side, more playthroughs and more Fenris!!!:o

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God damnit, I don't have the time to explain Fenders again. Refer to every other post I've ever written about it. They shouldn't be hard to find. Ok, maybe a quick one.

I hate it when people say "I don't like Fenders" and then say "It's all about pairing characters who hate each other and secretly want to have sex," because 90% of the Fenris stuff I've seen isn't about that at all, not in the way you're describing it. I can understand you not liking Fenders, but if you haven't read the stories you shouldn't try to describe them.

Most of the time, Fenders isn't about two characters who hate each other secretly wanting to have sex - rather it's about someone overcoming prejudice... more even than Fenris's relationship with a mage!Hawke is. To Fenris, Mage Hawke is an exception, and it's easy to admit that there are exceptions to your prejudice, while still maintaining those negative perceptions. It's why it's considered such a problem to call a minority "well-spoken," because the inherent implication is that they are the exception that proves the rule.

I knew a guy once who said "all women are evil... except for you." While I was initially flattered, eventually it became wearying. It's not a healthy thing for a guy to believe, and eventually it was part of why I didn't see him anymore.

While Mage!Hawke does confront Fenris about his mage-hating, she usually backs down when he makes it clear that it doesn't include her. Anders wouldn't do that, he'd force Fenris to grow more than he does in the game. On the other side, Fenris would make Anders really confront the issue of Tevinter, something that I wish Anders would do in the game. Fenders is about true growth on Fenris's part, and about Anders formally acknowledging that Fenris's reluctance is based on something real, something that must be given respect.

The one argument against Fenders that I accept is this: some people claim that it portrays Fenris and Anders as better people than they actually are; that their incapability to grow or understand the other side is a fundamental and unchangeable character flaw. I'll admit that that may well be true, but I like to believe the best of my boys.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 20 septembre 2011 - 06:36 .


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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

God damnit, I don't have the time to explain Fenders again. Refer to every other post I've ever written about it. They shouldn't be hard to find. Ok, maybe a quick one.

I hate it when people say "I don't like Fenders" and then say "It's all about pairing characters who hate each other and secretly want to have sex," because 90% of the Fenris stuff I've seen isn't about that at all, not in the way you're describing it. I can understand you not liking Fenders, but if you haven't read the stories you shouldn't try to describe them.

Most of the time, Fenders isn't about two characters who hate each other secretly wanting to have sex - rather it's about someone overcoming prejudice... more even than Fenris's relationship with a mage!Hawke is. To Fenris, Mage Hawke is an exception, and it's easy to admit that there are exceptions to your prejudice, while still maintaining those negative perceptions. It's why it's considered such a problem to call a minority "well-spoken," because the inherent implication is that they are the exception that proves the rule.

I knew a guy once who said "all women are evil... except for you." While I was initially flattered, eventually it became wearying. It's not a healthy thing for a guy to believe, and eventually it was part of why I didn't see him anymore.

While Mage!Hawke does confront Fenris about his mage-hating, she usually backs down when he makes it clear that it doesn't include her. Anders wouldn't do that, he'd force Fenris to grow more than he does in the game. On the other side, Fenris would make Anders really confront the issue of Tevinter, something that I wish Anders would do in the game. Fenders is about true growth on Fenris's part, and about Anders formally acknowledging that Fenris's reluctance is based on something real, something that must be given respect.

The one argument against Fenders that I accept is this: some people claim that it portrays Fenris and Anders as better people than they actually are; that their incapability to grow or understand the other side is a fundamental and unchangeable character flaw. I'll admit that that may well be true, but I like to believe the best of my boys.


I completely agree with you, CGG, but frankly, it's mostly played for titilation, not character growth.  And definitely not in a way where either character is kept true to his characterization.

I think, that with a little Hawke mediation, they could get over their respective prejudices.

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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
Fenris not only realized that what he had done was horrible, he also realized that he could have chosen not to... that it wasn't really inevitable.


Yes, this is exactly what I was trying to say, I just never word things well.
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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

God damnit, I don't have the time to explain Fenders again. Refer to every other post I've ever written about it. They shouldn't be hard to find. Ok, maybe a quick one.

I hate it when people say "I don't like Fenders" and then say "It's all about pairing characters who hate each other and secretly want to have sex," because 90% of the Fenris stuff I've seen isn't about that at all, not in the way you're describing it. I can understand you not liking Fenders, but if you haven't read the stories you shouldn't try to describe them.

*snip*

The one argument against Fenders that I accept is this: some people claim that it portrays Fenris and Anders as better people than they actually are; that their incapability to grow or understand the other side is a fundamental and unchangeable character flaw. I'll admit that that may well be true, but I like to believe the best of my boys.


Have to go to work, no time to really post but I will be back to explain later. My issue isn't that it seems that people that hate eachother secretly want to screw, my issue lies in that I have not read a fic that keeps true to their characters. But as I said I will get into it later.  

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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

God damnit, I don't have the time to explain Fenders again. Refer to every other post I've ever written about it. They shouldn't be hard to find. Ok, maybe a quick one.

I hate it when people say "I don't like Fenders" and then say "It's all about pairing characters who hate each other and secretly want to have sex," because 90% of the Fenris stuff I've seen isn't about that at all, not in the way you're describing it. I can understand you not liking Fenders, but if you haven't read the stories you shouldn't try to describe them.

Most of the time, Fenders isn't about two characters who hate each other secretly wanting to have sex - rather it's about someone overcoming prejudice... more even than Fenris's relationship with a mage!Hawke is. To Fenris, Mage Hawke is an exception, and it's easy to admit that there are exceptions to your prejudice, while still maintaining those negative perceptions. It's why it's considered such a problem to call a minority "well-spoken," because the inherent implication is that they are the exception that proves the rule.

I knew a guy once who said "all women are evil... except for you." While I was initially flattered, eventually it became wearying. It's not a healthy thing for a guy to believe, and eventually it was part of why I didn't see him anymore.

While Mage!Hawke does confront Fenris about his mage-hating, she usually backs down when he makes it clear that it doesn't include her. Anders wouldn't do that, he'd force Fenris to grow more than he does in the game. On the other side, Fenris would make Anders really confront the issue of Tevinter, something that I wish Anders would do in the game. Fenders is about true growth on Fenris's part, and about Anders formally acknowledging that Fenris's reluctance is based on something real, something that must be given respect.

The one argument against Fenders that I accept is this: some people claim that it portrays Fenris and Anders as better people than they actually are; that their incapability to grow or understand the other side is a fundamental and unchangeable character flaw. I'll admit that that may well be true, but I like to believe the best of my boys.


I have actually read Fenders fics before, and the majority of those I've read basically are "they hate each other but secretly want to sleep with each other". I've read very few where it's more about character growth (though they do exist, and I read them because of that) and more about appeasing slash fangirls. (Just check the majority of reviews in Fenders fanfic/fanart! It's not "What amazing character development!" it's "So hot <3!") Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places? 

I see them both as stubborn and unchanging - even if you rival Anders, it's more about blaming himself for merging with Justice than "the templars are right and mages should be locked up". And Fenris pretty much tells a mage Hawke that they're stronger than most mages/that Bethany is stronger than most mages. Fenris sees Anders as a weak mage, and unless Anders somehow manages to rid himself of Justice and becomes Fenris' image of a strong mage, then it'll never happen. (Maybe I'm just pessimistic.) So it's very out-of-character for both of them unless done carefully and gradually - I want a Fenders fic that is less about sex and more about them slowly trusting each other. Hell, I want it to have no smut at all. It's not even necessary for a good slash story.

Which brings me to another pet peeve - fanfics that imply that Justice has a thing for Fenris due to the lyrium. I think Justice would be attracted in a non-sexual way to the lyrium, but not the elf that comes with it. If anything, Justice should loathe Fenris. Justice has become a rabid Knight Templar, therefore he's even less likely to change his views than Anders.

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CulturalGeekGirl

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Meeszy Alexy wrote...

I see them both as stubborn and unchanging - even if you rival Anders, it's more about blaming himself for merging with Justice than "the templars are right and mages should be locked up". And Fenris pretty much tells a mage Hawke that they're stronger than most mages/that Bethany is stronger than most mages. Fenris sees Anders as a weak mage, and unless Anders somehow manages to rid himself of Justice and becomes Fenris' image of a strong mage, then it'll never happen. (Maybe I'm just pessimistic.) So it's very out-of-character for both of them unless done carefully and gradually - I want a Fenders fic that is less about sex and more about them slowly trusting each other. Hell, I want it to have no smut at all. It's not even necessary for a good slash story.

Which brings me to another pet peeve - fanfics that imply that Justice has a thing for Fenris due to the lyrium. I think Justice would be attracted in a non-sexual way to the lyrium, but not the elf that comes with it. If anything, Justice should loathe Fenris. Justice has become a rabid Knight Templar, therefore he's even less likely to change his views than Anders.


I've only read about a dozen Fenders fics (and comics) and, as I said before, 80% of the ones I've read are about them slowly building trust. Maybe I find them in the right places? Most of them I've gotten off of tumblr, or deviantart links. If you haven't read gone-batty's Turning Point, check it out. No smut, just a kiss, and (in my opinion) completely in character. The stories I've read since then are mostly recs from either gone-batty or other fanartists I respect, rather than just surfing the k!meme. I mean the k!meme produces some great stuff, but I've never been able to just browse it... sadly the stories are mostly assembled on tumbr, so I can't find links immediately.

My favorite Fenders-ish story isn't actually a Fenders story at all... it's more like Fenris and Anders having the character development they usually have in Fenders stories, but without romance. It covers a single conversation they have after the end game, when everyone is drifting away from Hawke, and Anders is the last one to leave before mage!Hawke and Fenris go off on their own. Anders and Fenris are alone together without Hawke, and Anders asks Fenris to take care of her, and explains that one day, the Templars will come for HER, and that that's what Anders is trying to prevent, but it's going to happen. He points out that what Fenris should keep that in mind when he's supporting the current system: the current system means that, to be with mage!Hawke, he still can never really stop running. At the end, Anders wants to leave without saying goodbye to Hawke, and Fenris stops him, telling him that he is important to Hawke and she deserves a goodbye.

There's another Fenders I like that starts similarly, only the Hawke in that story is with Merril. That one is a backup to an Amell/Cullen fic, where she's roaming Thedas trying to turn the mage revolution into something that has half a chance of working.

As for the Justice thing, I've said before that I think Fenris might have liked Awakening Justice. I don't think that Anders has to rid himself of Justice for it to work, rather Fenris would have to have reason to understand the difference between a demon and a spirit... which I don't think is unreasonable. Hell, I'd imagine a relationship with Fenris could turn Justice more back to the cause of generalized Justice, not solely mage-related justice. And Fenris doesn't exactly seem to be against the idea of vengeance in general... he's pretty much all about pursuing his own vengeance.

Then again I think a lot of Fenris and Anders' unchanging natures is a lot about Hawke's approach: Hawke reacts to them, but doesn't proactively try to push them in one direction... rather she offers up different perspectives and lets them decide whether or not they want to change. One of the reasons I enjoy Fenders is that I believe it's a way to show them reacting to someone who pushes them harder, without making Hawke behave in a way that's inconsistent with her actions in game.

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I don't mind Fenders. I don't mind a lot of odd pairings. ( I even like Morristair).. Suppose I am the odd one here. :D


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