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[Arcane_Solona]

Carmen_Willow wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

Not sure if anyone has posted this yet, but a fan met up with David Gaider and asked him some questions.  He revealed some Fenris information that you guys may... enjoy.  The person who spoke to him paraphrased:

What effects the lyrium would have on Fenris
is completely up in the air.  Fenris was a test case by Danarius, the
first of his kind, so anything can happen (lots of jokes about how
fanfiction could go crazy on this, haha).  It may make him crazy, may
give him added powers, we don’t know.  Also, since Danarius isn’t around
anymore to “maintain” the lyrium (Gaider’s word), it could become
unstable.  Gaider imagines lyrium like mercury. 

And this bit is actually relevant to the Fenris-not-seeming-gay discussion:

Favorite part: Gaider
wrote the Fenris romance with a male Hawke in mind! I am a
F!Hawke/Anders, M!Hawke/Fenris girl so this was neat to me.  The rivalry
romance was the one he wrote first, and the one he prefers.

David knows his characters best And he knows how he wrote them. .  Still, Fenris always comes across to me as straight. I can envision Fenris being the victim of Dearius a la Spartacus, the look of shame on his face when Denarius makes that nasty little remark says a lot, but I just don't get the vibe of willing participant.  Of course if I played through as a gay guy, the dialogue changes probably support his being gay more.



 

I second that. I can't explain why, though. But he always (and still does) seem straight  to me. Ah, David, you controversial man, you!

[upsettingshorts]

Fenris is just like my husband, he prefers men too.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 23 septembre 2011 - 03:45 .

[Tashash]

I get a Captain Jack Harkness vibe from Fenris - Gender simply isn't important to him when is comes to relationships.

But on the Denarius thing I agree with Carmen Willow - definitley not willing participations there, although probably more on the lines of dubious rather than non-consent.

[Arcane_Solona]

Tashash wrote...

I get a Captain Jack Harkness vibe from Fenris - Gender simply isn't important to him when is comes to relationships.

But on the Denarius thing I agree with Carmen Willow - definitley not willing participations there, although probably more on the lines of dubious rather than non-consent.

Seeing as he was a slave, I think he saw it as his duty to "pleasure" Danarius, no matter how intrusive or inappropriate that would be. So, I don't know if it was non-consensual; I can't see Fenris being forced to do anything like that... I think he was just resigned to his fate and embraced it as his destiny. But yeah, above all, I think he saw it as a sense of duty, more than anything.

[Arquen]

I don't think with Danarius he would have the choice, being athe slave andand all. However, I think we've been through the intimate thing enough times now. Even if it was some kind of sexual abuse as a slave he wouldn't have had a choice and fighting back would mean beatings, punishments, etc.

Still in the boat that it wasn't overt sexual abuse though. However, if he wrote Fenris for mhawke then the line about being a virgin doesn't trigger... or did they fix that?

[Tealsie]

Arquen wrote...

I don't think with Danarius he would have the choice, being athe slave andand all. However, I think we've been through the intimate thing enough times now. Even if it was some kind of sexual abuse as a slave he wouldn't have had a choice and fighting back would mean beatings, punishments, etc.

Still in the boat that it wasn't overt sexual abuse though.

I don't think he ever tried to fight back, honestly. The way he made it seem in conversations was that, pre-Fog Warriors, he had no thoughts of going at all against Danarius. For anything.
He mentions a couple of times that Danarius did terrible things, but he never says that he tried to stop him at all.

Perhaps it was just how I interpretted things, but it seemed like Fenris, while still a slave, was very "yes, Master. Whatever you want, Master" ish.  Disagreeing or disapproving, but never going against him.

[off topic] Baldur's gate was made by Bioware, right? I don't suppose anyone here knows who wrote Haer'Dalis? Never played the game, but I stumbled across a few things on the character(as well as a bunch of dialogue by Michael Bell for him) and am curious.  [/off topic]

[tankgirly]

Tealsie wrote...

Arquen wrote...


[off topic] Baldur's gate was made by Bioware, right? I don't suppose anyone here knows who wrote Haer'Dalis? Never played the game, but I stumbled across a few things on the character(as well as a bunch of dialogue by Michael Bell for him) and am curious.  [/off topic]

[Continued off topic]

Haer'Dalis

That potrait looks a bit like Colin Farrell, don't you think?

Like Valen Shadowbreath in HotU series, he's a tiefling. And I seriously suspecting he was one of TGP's earlier creation.

Right, TGP?


PS. Jack is more suitable for the role of Atton Rand.
[/offtopic]



by Flavie.

This is cute.

Modifié par tankgirly, 23 septembre 2011 - 05:54 .

[Arquen]

Im pretty sure any defiance Fenris had in him was easily snuffed out since 1. His memories were wiped and Danarius was all he knew and 2. Any defiance would have been beaten or punished out of him. Danarius seemed a cruel master who probably ruled Fenris out if fear and he probably ended up with Stockholm syndrome to the extreme. I doubt he wanted to fight back or defy his master due to that control and fear instilled in him.

[darkrose]

ReiSilver wrote...

I played a sarcastic male mage Hawke who rivalmanced Fenris and it changed my life.
Ok no it didn't, but it remains my favourite DA2 romance ever. Nothing can top it for me, I love the dynamic, the way Fenris looks with my Hawke and the protective/possessive vibes I get from some of Fenris' dialogue towards him.

On that topic I did a new picture of Marric Hawke and Fenris behind the link for suggestive-ness

Oh, very nice. Like the pose. 

I love male mage Hawke--or any mage Hawke, really--and Fenris, because it's a relationship that will require a lot of work from both parties. I friendmanced Fenris with my mage boy, and even with that, I'm sure they had some serious arguments, and that they'll probably continue to do so for as long as they're together. It's fun to write.

[Arcane_Solona]

Okay, seriously, I CANNOT believe I missed out on Coffee, Black for this long!!!! I've been catching glimpses of the name floating around the thread, but I never actually looked it up to read, until last night, and let me tell you: I am effing HOOKED. Like MAKER'S BREATH kind of hooked. Like I can't look away from the screen kind of hooked. WOW. Just wowwwwwww!!!

[Arquen]

Welcome to the dark side... now you can appreciate my Fen pic... *wink*... I didnt think I would like it either until I started reading it, and just couldn't stop.

[Tashash]

Arcane_Solona wrote...

Tashash wrote...

I get a Captain Jack Harkness vibe from Fenris - Gender simply isn't important to him when is comes to relationships.

But on the Denarius thing I agree with Carmen Willow - definitley not willing participations there, although probably more on the lines of dubious rather than non-consent.

Seeing as he was a slave, I think he saw it as his duty to "pleasure" Danarius, no matter how intrusive or inappropriate that would be. So, I don't know if it was non-consensual; I can't see Fenris being forced to do anything like that... I think he was just resigned to his fate and embraced it as his destiny. But yeah, above all, I think he saw it as a sense of duty, more than anything.

That's why I put 'Dubious consent'. Perhaps I should explain what that means to me.

I agree, Fenris would consider it a 'Duty' to engage in sexual activity with Denarius were he ordered to. He is the slave, he believed he had no other choice but to do as he was commanded - whatever that entailed.

But were it not for the slave mentality beaten/trained into him I doubt he would have ever willingly engaged in it. Fenris was...not mentally equiped to say 'no' I guess is what I mean, which is where the consent becomes 'dubious'.

Fenris was only willing because he couldn't even conceive being unwilling.

I hope I've cleared that up a bit.

[Arcane_Solona]

Tashash wrote...

Arcane_Solona wrote...

Tashash wrote...

I get a Captain Jack Harkness vibe from Fenris - Gender simply isn't important to him when is comes to relationships.

But on the Denarius thing I agree with Carmen Willow - definitley not willing participations there, although probably more on the lines of dubious rather than non-consent.

Seeing as he was a slave, I think he saw it as his duty to "pleasure" Danarius, no matter how intrusive or inappropriate that would be. So, I don't know if it was non-consensual; I can't see Fenris being forced to do anything like that... I think he was just resigned to his fate and embraced it as his destiny. But yeah, above all, I think he saw it as a sense of duty, more than anything.

That's why I put 'Dubious consent'. Perhaps I should explain what that means to me.

I agree, Fenris would consider it a 'Duty' to engage in sexual activity with Denarius were he ordered to. He is the slave, he believed he had no other choice but to do as he was commanded - whatever that entailed.

But were it not for the slave mentality beaten/trained into him I doubt he would have ever willingly engaged in it. Fenris was...not mentally equiped to say 'no' I guess is what I mean, which is where the consent becomes 'dubious'.

Fenris was only willing because he couldn't even conceive being unwilling.

I hope I've cleared that up a bit.

You have:)

[darkrose]

ReiSilver wrote...

Thank you al XD I'm glad you guys like it~
I also did a rushed, mini, what-if comic featuring Varania if you guys are interested it's on my Tumblr along with a bit of rambly explanation because Varania gives me so many feelings

I can never figure out how to comment on Tumblr, so I just want to say that I love that idea, and if I weren't up to my neck in WIPs, I'd ask if I could borrow the idea.

[Arquen]

You can't really reply on tumblr.. you reblog and add your 2 cents.

Varania... I just.. well at this point I think everyone knows where I stand on it. Kill her.. no regrets.

[Roweidekhalicon]

I agree with you about Varania, Arquen. On my first PT I let Fenris kill her and it was sad but I felt her betrayal deserved it. I was more sad about the situation than her death. On my rivalmance PT I convinced him not to kill her and I regretted it. Her kick-the-dog comment about him wanting the markings certainly didn't help.

[Harle Cerulean]

Oh, gosh, did I miss "sharing pictures of our custom fHawkes" time? Well, here's mine anyways (with Fenris in the background, of course!)


Oddly, I play a lot of male Hawkes, perhaps because I just enjoy crossplaying as male characters in general, but I do have a few fHawkes, because it's a fun option to take, even if it's not the one I usually do, and I love that it IS an option.

I find it interesting (and annoying, frankly) how so many people say that some characters "seem straight" or "seem gay" to them, as if there's a specific way of acting for either sexuality, or for bisexuality.

[Meeszy Alexy]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Oh, gosh, did I miss "sharing pictures of our custom fHawkes" time? Well, here's mine anyways (with Fenris in the background, of course!)
*snip'd for size*

Oddly, I play a lot of male Hawkes, perhaps because I just enjoy crossplaying as male characters in general, but I do have a few fHawkes, because it's a fun option to take, even if it's not the one I usually do, and I love that it IS an option.

I find it interesting (and annoying, frankly) how so many people say that some characters "seem straight" or "seem gay" to them, as if there's a specific way of acting for either sexuality, or for bisexuality.

 
Custom F!Hawke time? And I missed it? Awww. Here's my current Hawke. She's Elena, resident badass that wants Kirkwall to be a better place for everyone.

But anyway, I usually play girl Hawkes, especially with Fenris, and I have yet to Rivalmance him as it requires me to be so pro-mage in front of him that it's not funny. I do have an MHawke by the name of Zack, and he's the snarky blood mage that everybody loves. Even me, which is why he got a little fanfic.

[Heidenreich]

Bah, personally Fenris is better off as a Rival. It's not distrust, just disagreement. He trusts Hawke, but is more vocal about what he wants and doesn't want. He's also more protective, because he thinks Hawke has a deathwish.


Gay Fenris never mentions being a virgin. Because he's not. Straight Fenris does, because he's never been with a woman. Which is just an indication that he never actually slept with Hadrianna (willingly or unwillingly). So that's great!

[Arcane_Solona]

Is it really weird and retarded that I started drinking black coffee ever since I started reading "Coffee, Black", even though I usually am not much of a coffee person to begin with? I fear my obsession is border line crazy...

[Tashash]

@Arcane - If the worst you do is start drinking coffee when you don't usually I figure it's not too much of an issue. Much worse things out there.

Besides, how Fen-sessed is too Fen-sessed?

[Arcane_Solona]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Oh, gosh, did I miss "sharing pictures of our custom fHawkes" time? Well, here's mine anyways (with Fenris in the background, of course!)


Oddly, I play a lot of male Hawkes, perhaps because I just enjoy crossplaying as male characters in general, but I do have a few fHawkes, because it's a fun option to take, even if it's not the one I usually do, and I love that it IS an option.

I find it interesting (and annoying, frankly) how so many people say that some characters "seem straight" or "seem gay" to them, as if there's a specific way of acting for either sexuality, or for bisexuality.

Everyone has their own, unique way of perceiving things and analysing situations. Maybe its the way you're brought up or the people that have surrounded you in your life that shape this perception. I'm sure that everyone else who mentioned how straight or gay some characters seem did not intend for their comments to come across as stereotypical. Myself, for instance. I just shared my perception of the characters and their personality/sexuality. Its just the way I see and understand them. I know that stereotyping is wrong and that not all gay people act the same. 

And lets face it, with the media nowadays, its really hard not to have your own personal idea of what or how a gay or straight person acts (or should act) like.

[Arcane_Solona]

Tashash wrote...

@Arcane - If the worst you do is start drinking coffee when you don't usually I figure it's not too much of an issue. Much worse things out there.

Besides, how Fen-sessed is too Fen-sessed?

As long as I don't start believing that Fenris actually exists in reality and start seeing him out of the corner of my eye wherever I go, I think I'll be fine:P

Modifié par Arcane_Solona, 23 septembre 2011 - 01:34 .

[Tashash]

Arcane_Solona wrote...

Tashash wrote...

@Arcane - If the worst you do is start drinking coffee when you don't usually I figure it's not too much of an issue. Much worse things out there.

Besides, how Fen-sessed is too Fen-sessed?

As long as I don't start believing that Fenris actually exists in reality and start seeing him out of the corner of my eye wherever I go, I think I'll be fine:P

You...You mean he isn't real?..... I think I felt my heart shatter....

LOL

[Arquen]

Hey guys ... quickie note to let whoever cares... family emergency so I will have to put my fic editing and such on hold for a little bit. Hopefully I can get to things later in the weekend but I'm off on family business and don't know when I'll have some free time.

Posting custom Hawkes?? But.. But... *cries* Not at my computer and I caaan't... dammit

I have this wonderful totally private moment with Fenris pic on my rivalmage too. Grrr. Another time, perhaps.

Also, DG tweeted a bit ago.. he was reading FANFICTION. He won't actually say which ones he was reading or liked, but I went "oh crap I hope he doesn't find mine, quick HIDE" when I saw it, LMAO.

There is no such thing as over-fen obsessed! I have always been a coffee drinker (comes with working as a Barista at a young age and then working nightshift in my career, LOL) I eat espresso beans, and drink coffee, black too. Though it isn't my favorite thing. Besides on Sunday he gets the "sunday special" *wink* -- that's more to my kind of coffee taste.

Honestly, I don't see Fenris as gay or straight or bi or tri or anything actually. I see him as a Hawke-sexuality orientation. Whoever Hawke is -- that is who he chooses to be with. Whether male or female -- he is drawn to Hawke, and I see him as the kind of person (as said before) who chooses a partner based on who they are and not what gender they are. My personal preference is Fem!Hawke as I said because of the dynamic between the two, but I dislike how people try to put the characters into categories.

As I said I dislike that now people will jump on the "DG wrote him with male Hawke in mind so that means he is gay!" bandwagon as much as I dislike the "He doesn't act gay and is obviously straight so he belongs with female Hawke!" bandwagon.

2 cents.