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[Tealsie]

Fleshdress wrote...
Hey does DG's comment on no longer having Danarius around to maintain the lyrium mean my favourite brooder is going to go crazy? Or can my mage Hawkes take over for that? What does "maintain" mean exactly?  

I had thought that the Lyrium might eventually start "eating away" at him, or something. But then I have a tendency to jump right to the worse possibility.  

Managed to take pictures of both of my Fenris-romancing Hawkes. Poor quality, and they had to be tweaked a bit because my camera doesn't pick up color very well...

My rogue, rivalmance Hawke:


And my mage, friendmance Hawke:

She gets the cutest little smile in that scene that, for some reason, never shows up on anyone else... or, if it does, it's not as lovely(only kind of caught it. a frame or two before/after might've been better).

EDIT: And a Fenris screen by Arquen. Grr ToP

Modifié par Tealsie, 23 septembre 2011 - 11:44 .

[UrsulaCousland]

 Wow, Tealsie - I'm not sure i've ever seen that little grin on anyone either. That's adorable!

I love your rogue!Hawke as well - somehow, I can't get that hairstyle to look right.

I see I'll have to do some reloads for reference and look for that grin...yeah...*glares at Mass Effect*

[Carmen_Willow]

[quote]CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

[quote].

<snipped to save space>

To put it more neatly: Fenris doesn't like boys and girls both because he decided not to judge people based on their gender. He likes boys and girls both because that's how he was born: he was born as a kind of person who had potential for attraction to both genders. It is neither an indication of a strong personal decision not to discriminate, nor a flaw of some kind. It's just a thing about him.
[/quote]

This. 

I see sexuality as being a continuum rather than all this or all that. Each of us falls somewhere on that continuum as a result of our genetics and in utero environment (there is a lot of new research on the effects of estrogen and testosterone during gestation); some times our situation in life can influence our choices as well. Some of us fall very close to the completely straight or completely gay sides of the line, others of us fall somewhere in between.  What we find sexually attractive is what we find attractive. No big deal.

Hets, Gays and Bi's can all be just as sweet loving kind and compassionate or as mean ugly judgmental and cruel as each other. Sexual orientation is no indicator of how good or evil we are as human beings. 

[Nilfalasiel]

Fleshdress wrote...

Hope you're okay Arquen, and that you eventually get some sleep.

Ditto.

Hey does DG's comment on no longer having Danarius around to maintain the lyrium mean my favourite brooder is going to go crazy? Or can my mage Hawkes take over for that? What does "maintain" mean exactly? 

I was wondering about that. Either the "lyrium degradation" takes an awfully long time (ie. the entire course of DA2 and probably more), or Danarius could somehow "maintain" it at a distance while he was alive (which sounds highly unlikely).

Either way, it doesn't sound reassuring. I was wondering whether it could eventually cause lyrium poisoning. Maybe maintaining it involved somehow keeping any nocive side effects at bay?

Buh. Not happy thoughts

[Avilia]

Perhaps 'maintaining' means topping it up. The lyrium might degrade after a while and become less effective?

Just a thought from a lurker ;-)

[Sealy]

*Lures lurker with cookies* Join us, we bite! I-I mean we don't bite, yah... don't.

Hmm, thats actually an interesting thought. Fenris one day tries to put his hand through someones chest...

Fenris: Arrrg! *magical fisting attempt*

Mercenary: Owwww! Did you just punch me in the boob!

Fenris:... It appears so.

Mercenary: Not cool!

Fenris: I apologise, I meant to rip out your heart.

Mercenary:........

[Avilia]

Cookies!!! *grabby hands*

lol "not cool". It would be interesting though - Fenris without magical fisting abilities. Would he seek out someone else to maintain the lyrium or just accept the change?

[Nilfalasiel]

Avilia wrote...

lol "not cool". It would be interesting though - Fenris without magical fisting abilities. Would he seek out someone else to maintain the lyrium or just accept the change?

Well, considering what a poisoned gift the lyrium tattoos are...I don't think he'd be too broken up about losing the ability to use them. I'm not even sure it would make him that much less of a fighter: sure, he wouldn't be able to go all dramatic and rip people's organs out, but that doesn't mean he can't still very effectively kill them with his sword.

Besides, seeking someone to maintain the tattoos just screams "find a new master". It wouldn't necessarily happen, but I doubt he would voluntarily want to put himself within someone's power like that.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 24 septembre 2011 - 01:26 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

When I read the line about not having Danarius around to maintain the tattoos, my first impulse was that Fenris had better find some powerful and knowledgeable mages, and put his trust in them. That's the ideal outcome for that arc for me... Fenris has to rely on some good mages for his well-being, and really starts to see that mages have the same good-to-bad ratio as any people do. (Note that I have an equal opportunity desire for Anders to meet some nice Templars... the difference is that Templar recruitment specifically focuses on vicious jerkwads, while mages are just... people.)

Of course, in my twisted little mind, the mage Fenris has to trust turns out to be Anders. It's funny, of all the mages we've met, Anders seems to be the one most interested in basic magical research and the advancement of knowledge, despite his devil-may-care attitude in Awakening and his other focus in DA2. I also don't think he'd turn Fenris down if Fen did ask for help, though he might make Fenris explicitly apologize before conferring it.

[AbsoluteApril]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

 the mage Fenris has to trust turns out to be Anders  Hawke

fixed it!

[UrsulaCousland]

AbsoluteApril wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

 the mage Fenris has to trust turns out to be Anders  Hawke

fixed it!

I could see Anders *maybe*, but I think HAwke is faaaaaar more likely, romanced or not.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Sure, but not all Hawkes are mages, and Hawke isn't circle educated. Hawke is quite powerful and intelligent, but mostly in a practical way... there's no indication that Hawke has any facility with research or book-learning, and Hawke almost certainly lacks the level of experience in such things that Anders has. Plus, we know Anders can read tevinter-related languages, and there's no reason for Hawke to possess that knowledge.

Of course a mage Hawke would be who Fenris would go to first, and Bethany (if she yet lives) would be his first choice if Hawke isn't a mage. But the person most likely to actually be able to help is Anders. (Well, in the DA2 cast. There are other mages in the extended universe who might be able to help also.) 

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 24 septembre 2011 - 02:40 .

[Arcane_Solona]

Fleshdress wrote...

*Lures lurker with cookies* Join us, we bite! I-I mean we don't bite, yah... don't.

Hmm, thats actually an interesting thought. Fenris one day tries to put his hand through someones chest...

Fenris: Arrrg! *magical fisting attempt*

Mercenary: Owwww! Did you just punch me in the boob!

Fenris:... It appears so.

Mercenary: Not cool!

Fenris: I apologise, I meant to rip out your heart.

Mercenary:........

Now that really lifted me out of the "I hate studying law, so kill me now" mood and brought a giggle through my lips. Thank you:) 

[Nilfalasiel]

I hasten to specify that what I said about not being fussed about maintaining the tattoos is only in case they don't actually turn out to be nocive.

But since it sounds likely that they would be, in that case, yes, finding a non-evil helpful mage would likely be a necessity, I agree.

Of course, if said mage turns out to be Anders, much glowering will ensue.

[Sealy]

You're welcome.  I giggled at the thought so I decided to share.

I am a seething mass of rage right now. I went into the Zevran thread and saw the Westboro ****, I can't not watch it's like a train wreck but instead of being horrible and heart wrenching its horrible, apalling and makes me rage. Now I am sitting here shaking with the effort to not freak out, and no one to release my rant on. Maybe I'll go find a Katy Perry or Lady Gaga music video, there is always a bunch of bigots and homophobes there. Where is the Fenris Hate thread, I need to yell at people. Man I wish those freaks *ahem* people (I guess) would come to Canada, just so I can... can, maintain my cool hopefully and intelligently bicker intead of throwing the nearest projectile like they make me want to do. *seethe seethe*

*sigh* I don't think Fenris would ever seek out to redo the ritual since it is the base for most of his rage, plus the fear of another memory wipe.

I want my cheerful back! Someone make me happy!

Modifié par Fleshdress, 24 septembre 2011 - 03:04 .

[Ryzaki]

Hawke kind of is circle educated though. That is where Malcolm grew up is it not? You can only teach what you know. 

Plus with bloodmagic and the freedom to move around freely I can see mage Hawke being more knowledgable in magic than the average mage. He/she has a lot less restrictions and can probably get anything he/she needs. Chances are lyrium ritual involved bloodmagic something that is heavily restricted in the circle (outside Tevinter anyway). Circle information probably wouldn't be a lot of help and Fenris would need to go to Tevinter most likely.  Probably to see if they can steal Danarius' research. He should've left it lying around just in case he needed to make a new copy. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 septembre 2011 - 03:09 .

[Tashash]

UrsulaCousland wrote...

metalgirl-1 wrote...

Hey, guys, this does not really have anything to do with Fenris, but has Dr.Doctor been on...cuz they were really funny and used to post stuff on here all the time and I haven`t seen anything by them in a long time. I miss the funny.

No. We haven't seen Doc in weeks, mostly since the hurricane (Irene?) went up the coast. I think he is somewhere along the east coast though, and ... *worries* 

I miss his Fen banters. Heck, I miss his banters full stop (regardless of characters). Heck, I miss Doc. If you're out there, Doc, please let us know you're OK.

Seconded, please let us know Doc - we love and miss you!

AbsoluteApril wrote...

Tashash - I still need to read the rest of the story you posted.

The 'My fics' link in my sig will show you the way!

Arquen wrote...

Hey guys ... quickie note to let whoever cares... family emergency so I will have to put my fic editing and such on hold for a little bit. Hopefully I can get to things later in the weekend but I'm off on family business and don't know when I'll have some free time.

Also, DG tweeted a bit ago.. he was reading FANFICTION. He won't actually say which ones he was reading or liked, but I went "oh crap I hope he doesn't find mine, quick HIDE" when I saw it, LMAO.

Oh dear, my best wishes Arquen - I hope everythings ok/will be ok.

Uh oh...*hide in a corner*

[Sealy]

If Fenris' mind did start to go so they decided (without fenris) to redo the ritual I don't know if Fenris would ever forgive Hawke, or for that matter remember Hawke.

Modifié par Fleshdress, 24 septembre 2011 - 03:15 .

[Ryzaki]

Fleshdress wrote...

If Fenris mind did start to go so they decided (without fenris) to redo the ritual I don't know if Fenris would ever forgive Hawke, or for that matter remember Hawke.

I don't know. Depends on the reason for Hawke redoing the ritual. I don't see Fenris holding a grudge if the ritual was done to save his life. (or Hawke's life). 

[Sealy]

Ryzaki wrote...

Fleshdress wrote...

If Fenris mind did start to go so they decided (without fenris) to redo the ritual I don't know if Fenris would ever forgive Hawke, or for that matter remember Hawke.

I don't know. Depends on the reason for Hawke redoing the ritual. I don't see Fenris holding a grudge if the ritual was done to save his life. (or Hawke's life). 

Oh I do, I see big huge grudges. I don't see Fenris as a forgiving or even merciful character. I honestly think if handed the option of dying or undergoing the ritual again he would choose death. He hates what Danarius did to him, he hates it even more when he finds out he fought for it. In my opinion there is no way he is letting anyone with lyrium brands in mind near him with a 10 foot pole. On that note, I don't see my Hawke letting him die, or go crazy so they may reach a bit of an impasse 

[Ryzaki]

Fleshdress wrote...


Oh I do, I see big huge grudges. I don't see Fenris as a forgiving or even merciful character. I honestly think if handed the option of dying or undergoing the ritual again he would choose death. He hates what Danarius did to him, he hates it even more when he finds out he fought for it. In my opinion there is no way he is letting anyone with lyrium brands in mind near him with a 10 foot pole. On that note, I don't see my Hawke letting him die, or go crazy so they may reach a bit of an impasse 

Ah an impasse. I don't see him liking it but pragmatic enough to realize that he may view it as a curse but it's useful. And defintely not enough to die rather than undergo it again. But of course alternate character interpretation. 

[CulturalGeekGirl]

One of the important things that an actual school education teaches you is how to do research properly, and learning how to do that requires you have access to books and things. I'm not saying Hawke can't or won't do it, but being capable of doing research is a skill, and one that the vast majority of ordinary people in any universe do not possess (pretty much every day someone I know asks me how to obtain some rather simple to find bit of information, and I've seen people here who don't even know that a Dragon Age Wiki exists.) I also learned library research growing up, and that's a dying art as well... and not something that everyone is suited to, not even every academic or clever person. I'd imagine it would be an even more difficult skill to master in Thedas, where there don't seem to be any public libraries, other than collections of religious books in the Chantries.

I don't think redoing the ritual would be necessary... likely all that is needed is monitoring and some kind of stabilization. Possibly periodic cleansing to remove the toxins, preventing lyrium madness and keeping Fenris's liver from shutting down.

Based on what I know of schools of magic in Thedas, while I'd be willing to wager that blood magic was used in the initial ritual, I'm not so sure that blood magic would necessarily be needed for its maintenance, especially if the aim of that maintenance was simply to prevent Fenris from becoming ill, or malfunctioning magically.

Based on the most obvious applicable bit of Thedas magical theory, I'd say the skills most likely to be needed are healing, reading tevinter (especially if they have to find some of Danarius's notes), and library research. I hope blood magic isn't required, but you're right.. if that were required, only a mage Hawke or Merril would likely be able to help, because I'm pretty sure Bethany and Anders wouldn't go there.

There's always the "out of DA2" option of a nice sitdown with an Amell cousin, of course, who pretty much definitely has all the required skills and resources.

[Ryzaki]

Yeah I hope though a mage would be unnecessary. If only to keep the tables even between a mage Hawke and non-mage Hawke.  Ala it's a video game after all. 

...my friendmancing Hawkes really doesn't need another reason to dislike mages. Not to mention any side affects should've been killing Fenris already it's been 7 years after all. And I doubt he can be cleanesed from a distance.

As for Hawke doing research and knowing how again I can see Malcolm teaching his kids that. They wouldn't have much but according to Larius Malcolm was the researchy type. I can see him at least trying to encourage Bethany/mage Hawke to research into magic as well. (minus bloodmagic).  Though this may vary from Hawke to Hawke. 

Plus research would explain how Hawke learns specializations without anyone teaching him/her. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 septembre 2011 - 03:42 .

[Arcane_Solona]

Fleshdress wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Fleshdress wrote...

If Fenris mind did start to go so they decided (without fenris) to redo the ritual I don't know if Fenris would ever forgive Hawke, or for that matter remember Hawke.

I don't know. Depends on the reason for Hawke redoing the ritual. I don't see Fenris holding a grudge if the ritual was done to save his life. (or Hawke's life). 

Oh I do, I see big huge grudges. I don't see Fenris as a forgiving or even merciful character. I honestly think if handed the option of dying or undergoing the ritual again he would choose death. He hates what Danarius did to him, he hates it even more when he finds out he fought for it. In my opinion there is no way he is letting anyone with lyrium brands in mind near him with a 10 foot pole. On that note, I don't see my Hawke letting him die, or go crazy so they may reach a bit of an impasse 

My Hawke would never let Fenris die, no matter how much he might prefer death over the ritual. If the ritual is needed to save his life, my Hawke will talk him into it (with lots of tears and heart-wrenching begging) because she really can't see herself living with the knowledge that he could have been saved, he could be with her, alive and breathing, right now, yet she allowed him to choose death instead. My Hawke's already been through A LOT (Both siblings die, mother dies) and Fenris is really the only person she loves, so losing him is just not an option.

Heck, if he still refuses (he's not so stubborn, really; even when Hawke tells me he whines a lot, he agrees), Hawke will threaten to take her life if he chooses death. Muahahahaha:devil: Lets see him refuse NOW!

[Tashash]

OK, I've started reading Coffee, Black today....and it is just....OMG - it's the most awesome thing.

I just finnished the chapter with Garrett having dinner with Leandra and teasing Sebastian....Oh, Maker it's hilarious!

And Anders' note........Bwahahahahahahah!!!!!