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[Sialater]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Well, since part of the ritual was marking him . . . no, pretty sure it had to be painful. Whether you think the markings are tattoos, brands, or injected lyrium in his veins, either way, there's pretty much no way to escape pain there.

Uh... there's no reason anesthesia or something can't be used.

Modifié par Sialater, 24 septembre 2011 - 03:43 .

[Harle Cerulean]

If it exists, sure. But Thedas doesn't have our drugs. Back with that kind of science and tech, 'anesthesia' pretty much meant 'get really really drunk so you can't register the pain as much'.

[Sialater]

Magical anesthesia. I'm sure it exists.

[Harle Cerulean]

I don't know, when Anders was healing that little boy in glowy glowy fashion when you first meet him in DA2, the kid doesn't look like he's having much fun, and that was magical healing; you'd think if magical anesthesia could be applied, Anders would have done so to spare the kid the pain he's clearly feeling.

Modifié par Harle Cerulean, 24 septembre 2011 - 03:51 .

[Annarl]

Sialater wrote...

Magical anesthesia. I'm sure it exists.

Couldn't they just use a sleep spell? 

[Heidenreich]

I think that's my favorite part of the DA universe --- magic isn't a catch-all. There are things that even magic can't do, like dull pain, bring people back from being actually dead, large scale teleportation.. etc etc.

Magic is wonderful, but at the end of the day, its more of a "heal and blow stuff up" kind of thing and not a "everythings better with magic" kind of thing.

[Sialater]

omearaee wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Magical anesthesia. I'm sure it exists.

Couldn't they just use a sleep spell? 

That would be my guess.  But then the little boy Anders was healing is a good point.

[Harle Cerulean]

Heidenreich wrote...

I think that's my favorite part of the DA universe --- magic isn't a catch-all. There are things that even magic can't do, like dull pain, bring people back from being actually dead, large scale teleportation.. etc etc.

Magic is wonderful, but at the end of the day, its more of a "heal and blow stuff up" kind of thing and not a "everythings better with magic" kind of thing.

Yes, exactly.  I love that about DA also.  And if there seems to be a solution, you can bet it has a catch.  "Grey Wardens can kill Archdemons!  . . . but it kills them."  "I can keep you alive through killing the Archdemon!  . . .but you have to agree to have a baby with me that will be possessed by the soul of the Archdemon."

Low Fantasy isn't for everyone, because some people really like the magic wand being able to be waved and have everything fixed, but personally, I love it. XD

[Arquen]

I am psychotic... officially... *lesigh*

Wrote up my notes and theory and such on all this lyrium/ritual mess on my Tumblr. It's long, but fun theory/brainstorming. If that's "fun" LOL.

Read if you want...

Crazy Tumblr Me writing Essays on fictional characters...

Honestly, I spent a lot of time compiling those theories, and I didn't post it because I figured nobody would be as psychotic as me to actually over-analyze and care that much about these things. However, since the topic has come up and I have thought about it extensively I decided to just post it up. Why not right? Feel free to poke holes in it or whatever. I like debate .

[Tealsie]

Arquen wrote...


Crazy Tumblr Me writing Essays on fictional characters...

Just started reading through this(it's a nice break for my fingers from painting  ) but I got to this part,

"From what we know of Shale the Golems also had similar lyrium veined markings on them that could be “maintained” and “augmented” with crystals. Likewise, Fenris’ markings probably could be maintained and augmented by Danarius with either certain items or spells."

...and started seeing Fenris with giant different-colored crystals sticking out of him in random places.

[Arcane_Solona]

Tealsie wrote...

Arquen wrote...


Crazy Tumblr Me writing Essays on fictional characters...

Just started reading through this(it's a nice break for my fingers from painting  ) but I got to this part,

"From what we know of Shale the Golems also had similar lyrium veined markings on them that could be “maintained” and “augmented” with crystals. Likewise, Fenris’ markings probably could be maintained and augmented by Danarius with either certain items or spells."

...and started seeing Fenris with giant different-colored crystals sticking out of him in random places.

That would be... bizarre:blink:

[Sialater]

Arcane_Solona wrote...

Tealsie wrote...

Arquen wrote...


Crazy Tumblr Me writing Essays on fictional characters...

Just started reading through this(it's a nice break for my fingers from painting  ) but I got to this part,

"From what we know of Shale the Golems also had similar lyrium veined markings on them that could be “maintained” and “augmented” with crystals. Likewise, Fenris’ markings probably could be maintained and augmented by Danarius with either certain items or spells."

...and started seeing Fenris with giant different-colored crystals sticking out of him in random places.

That would be... bizarre:blink:

But would he ask if they made him look fat?

[Arcane_Solona]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Arcane_Solona wrote...

Fleshdress wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Fleshdress wrote...

If Fenris mind did start to go so they decided (without fenris) to redo the ritual I don't know if Fenris would ever forgive Hawke, or for that matter remember Hawke.

I don't know. Depends on the reason for Hawke redoing the ritual. I don't see Fenris holding a grudge if the ritual was done to save his life. (or Hawke's life). 

Oh I do, I see big huge grudges. I don't see Fenris as a forgiving or even merciful character. I honestly think if handed the option of dying or undergoing the ritual again he would choose death. He hates what Danarius did to him, he hates it even more when he finds out he fought for it. In my opinion there is no way he is letting anyone with lyrium brands in mind near him with a 10 foot pole. On that note, I don't see my Hawke letting him die, or go crazy so they may reach a bit of an impasse 

My Hawke would never let Fenris die, no matter how much he might prefer death over the ritual. If the ritual is needed to save his life, my Hawke will talk him into it (with lots of tears and heart-wrenching begging) because she really can't see herself living with the knowledge that he could have been saved, he could be with her, alive and breathing, right now, yet she allowed him to choose death instead. My Hawke's already been through A LOT (Both siblings die, mother dies) and Fenris is really the only person she loves, so losing him is just not an option.

Heck, if he still refuses (he's not so stubborn, really; even when Hawke tells me he whines a lot, he agrees), Hawke will threaten to take her life if he chooses death. Muahahahaha:devil: Lets see him refuse NOW!

So . . . in order to avoid having to cope with the pain of losing Fenris, your Hawke would throw tantrums and resort to emotional blackmail in an attempt to force Fenris to relive the single most traumatic and painful experience of his life, one that left him a completely changed person?  What always got me was that he describes the pain as the worst he's ever felt, and he's undoubtedly been  very badly injured since; we know he was wounded severely on Seheron, since he says that the Fog Warriors nursed him back to health.

As far as your Hawke knows, Fenris would wake up from it without any memories; we know that the memory loss may have been from a deliberate erasure by Danarius, but we know that because of the letter he sends Hawke IF Hawke gives Fenris back to him.  Your Hawke wouldn't know that.  So as far as she knows, he wouldn't be 'her' Fenris anymore, she'd have lost him anyways.  And she'd have forced him, via emotional blackmail (which, frankly, I doubt would work; I'm pretty sure Fenris would point out how bull**** that is) to undergo the most horrible thing he can remember in order to lose everything but his body.

Either your Hawke is shallow and selfish, or you really haven't thought that through.

EDIT: I also think that being willing to force Fenris to undergo such horrible torment and risking the loss of the self he's been struggling to build, to avoid personal emotional pain is . . . pretty terrible.

Woah, woah, you need a breather, buddy! I didn't expect anyone to be so repulsed (for want of a better word) by what I wrote! No need to go throwing around hurtful words, its just a game. Fenris isn't real, and neither is my Hawke, so it wouldn't be "shallow", "selfish", and "pretty terrible" because its just a game. 

That being said, I thought the "Muahahaha" and devil smiley would've made it clear that that bit was more of a joke than anything else. I (or my Hawke, for that matter) would never use "emotional blackmail" as you called it, to convince Fenris to go through the ritual. If I were to pretend that the world of DA actually existed, I'd put myself in Hawke's (and Fenris') shoes and I would obviously not force him into anything. He wants to go ahead with the ritual, fine, he doesn't, that's also fine, as long as he does what makes him happy.

[Arcane_Solona]

Sialater wrote...

Arcane_Solona wrote...

Tealsie wrote...

Arquen wrote...


Crazy Tumblr Me writing Essays on fictional characters...

Just started reading through this(it's a nice break for my fingers from painting  ) but I got to this part,

"From what we know of Shale the Golems also had similar lyrium veined markings on them that could be “maintained” and “augmented” with crystals. Likewise, Fenris’ markings probably could be maintained and augmented by Danarius with either certain items or spells."

...and started seeing Fenris with giant different-colored crystals sticking out of him in random places.

That would be... bizarre:blink:

But would he ask if they made him look fat?

Hahahahahaha! I doubt it. Shale was just being a typical female when she said that:P

[Ryzaki]

Sialater wrote...

Hmmm, I must be odd in thinking that Fenris would be willing to undergo it in order to remain with Hawke.

After all, he's willing to defend mages with her.

Not that odd. I agree. 

Then again I see him as taking up the bodyguard mantle willingly when it comes to Hawke. 

[ekurian]

So like, I just discovered Coffee, Black.

I think I'm in love with this AU.

Um. That's all.

[darkrose]

Harle Cerulean wrote...
Still, maintaining is . . . not redoing. If Fenris were a car, maintennce would be oil changes, rotating the tires, and flushing the brake lines, not dismantling the engine and rebuilding it. I find it unlikely that maintenance on Fenris' lyrium would require a complete rebuild; it's more likely that he needs . . . the lyrium and magic equivelant of an oil change, whatever that would be.

For some reason, I love this image. I'm thinking that you wouldn't be able to take him to the dealer, though, so you'd have to find a really good mechanic.

[Sealy]

Lol, why does Fenris with crystals protruding from his shoulders still look damn sexy in my head.

[Jessicles]

Tealsie wrote...

...and started seeing Fenris with giant different-colored crystals sticking out of him in random places.

Mmm....large Fenris crystal.

[Sealy]

New Aimo Art!

God all her pictures just ooze sensual or playful, or sensual and playful.

Modifié par Fleshdress, 24 septembre 2011 - 11:30 .

[Arcane_Solona]

Ryzaki wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Hmmm, I must be odd in thinking that Fenris would be willing to undergo it in order to remain with Hawke.

After all, he's willing to defend mages with her.

Not that odd. I agree. 

Then again I see him as taking up the bodyguard mantle willingly when it comes to Hawke. 

I'm glad I'm not the only one!

Everyone has their own interpretations and thoughts about Fenris, and seeing as neither of us is David Gaider, neither of us is right. Which is why some people on this forum need to take it easy when it comes to discussing fictional characters. 

[Arquen]

Lol I facepalmed... THAT is what people focused on? ! The shale thing. Ohhh sigh... I thought it was a better theory than that.

I never thought that the ritual would be necessary again, and maintenance is simply that. I doubt you would have to ask him to do that again because it wouldn't be necessary. As I said in my essay you don't cure poison with more poison.

I like srs face discussion, but I also appreciate that the character exists in a fantasy universe. Sometimes though humor and candor can get lost on the interwebs. I never thought when actually presented with such situation that Solon actually would do such. I got the lightheartedness of the post, Hee.

Carry on.... don't mind me obsessive phone posting and essays when im bored... *sigh* hopeless.

[Tealsie]

Arquen wrote...

Lol I facepalmed... THAT is what people focused on? ! The shale thing. Ohhh sigh... I thought it was a better theory than that.

I didn't mean to get stuck on that, really!
I read through around 3/4 of it before I had to go and watch my nephew. I agree with your theories(the ones I read, at least). Quite wonderfully put together and worded.  And it reminded me how terrible I am at essays *envy*.

[UrsulaCousland]

By the way, Arquen, that sketch is gorgeous!

[Arquen]

Thank you! It will be much better once I get a chance to actually finish it. It's been sitting on my HD and my Tumblr forever and I haven't had the time to get back to it.

I always thought of Shale and Fenris as being very similar in experiences with magisters/mages, experimentation, etc. Yet they do have very different personalities and I love them in very different ways, LOL.

Apparently I'm not the only one --



by JollyJohanna

Modifié par Arquen, 25 septembre 2011 - 04:24 .