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[Sir Edric]

tankgirly wrote...



something for a laugh, you guys.

by nanoetetsu

I presume this is after slaying a certain high dragon in Act III. I had that feeling after my first run through as a rogue. Heheh.

Hahaha, nanoetetsu picked the right companions for this scene. Isabela certainly has the right. . . angel?

Hee... I love nanoetetsu's sociopathic/ psychotic Hawkes, lol.
Whenever I see that one I go "and that is why you never go into a fight without craptons of life potions or Anders...." lol.

Yup.

MERILL Y U NO HEAL!?

Modifié par Vrex_12, 02 octobre 2011 - 09:06 .

[Arquen]

I usually throw at least one or two healing skills on my mages... except my bloodmage..

I hardly take merrill places because her offensive skills do not make up for her lack of heals. I much prefer Anders.

Fenris is a BAMF but in one PT I lost him and finished off the highdragon myself. Lol. Then most of the time if it went bad it was just me and Fenris standing (legacy). Lol

[Sir Edric]

As a warrior I used Fenris very little, but as a mage, he was constantly there with me. Unless it was a "choose the mage side" mission. Don't want rivalry with him. Except when romanced. I like him rough.

[Arquen]

Lol.. I don't even know if I consider the rivalmance rough anymore. I used to feel that way,but after doing it a couple times I quite enjoy the mutual respect and how they challenge each other.

I totally took Fenris everywhere even on my warrior PT too, lol. At one point I took Aveline, Fenris, Anders, and my warrior hawke. Too fun.

[Arcane_Solona]

 Apart from my first playthrough, I literally take Fenris in every single mission. He never, and I mean never, is left in that "borrowed" mansion of his. I just can't help it. My Hawke needs him by her side at ALL times, no exceptions. And I was a warrior for 3 of my playthroughs. Still, my Fen's got to be there.
Oh, and Isabela certainly does have the right angle.

And I only ever use Merrill for her personal quests. The last thing I need is a vulnerable mage with no healing spells. Anders is a fixed member as well, which is great because his banter with Fenris & Aveline is hilarious!

[Arcane_Solona]

 I was just playing DA2 right now, and I was doing Aveline's "The Long Road" quest, and something struck me for the first time, which is the wisdom Fenris displays in all matters love. Like when he says "She's courting him... with a fear reserved for dragons" and later on in the Hanged Man he says "Again she deflects. Don't squander things you do not understand" in such a firm, scolding voice. Its like he's a pro when it comes to romance (which he sooo is, in my opinion; he's so mature about his romance with Hawke- no hiding and fear and shyness, and he knows exactly the right things to say and when to say them).

This elf has much more going for him than he knows;) *mind flits to the bum groping Fenris so aptly does during the 1st romance scene*

[Tashash]

Arquen wrote...

Lol... I remember when broody and angst actually had a distinct definition apart from "emo." I actually find Fenris quite stoic more than emo. His rage comes out in small bursts, he recovers his emotional turmoil quickly and most of the time he wears a very stoic mask. Except for Hawke and his dialogues his "social" face and the one he wears when in your party and responding in a group is quite unemotional. In fact the only two times he does do an emotional response/ face in front of the group is after Hadrianna.. (he excuses himself), alone (he makes puppy eyes and touches Hawke's face ONLY if romanced), and the gallows kiss (again ONLY if romanced).

He is broody and does have angst. That does not mean he is "emo" ... people will say what they want though. Just ask them to give examples then throw this at them. Along with the true definition of angst: that being the inherit, internal struggle with the self and ones responsibility and role to the self that exists in every human and arguably sentient being. Not overly emotional, not excessive moodiness, nor any of the other muddled definitions this age of urban dictionary and ignorance had wrought. *steps off soapbox*

Ergh, I hate it when Fenris is classed as 'Emo'. Yes, he does brood, yes, he does have angst but he has good bloody reason too! In fact it's incredible how emotionally and psychologically healthy Fenris is considering his story.

I find it hard to think of another character to put up as an example, which is one of the reasons I'm so fascinated and totally in love with him - he's unique, and not just because of the markings.

Plus I simply despise the emo mentality - That 'It's cool to be emotionally scarred and pretend no one cares about me and I don't want to live' crap. I've been to that place - it's not cool, it's not edgy, and it sure as hell ain't freaking fun.

And that's probably a good place to stop....

[Heidenreich]

If anyone in the DA universe is emo in the constraints of the label, its Anders. Fenris, overall, is not an emotional-baggage-train of doom. Yes he has a lot of issues, but he's not emotional about them.

These kids today and their new fangled over-used words that they have little or no understanding of. *angry fist shake*

The Emo of today was the Gay of 5 years ago.. et a la "OMG that was so efing gay dude."

My response to that over-and-missued word is much like with Emo.

"Wait, how is finding out Nagrand doesn't have invisible walls homosexual? Did you mean happy, instead? like... 'Hey that was a happy experience. I wasn't expecting that but it was a lot of fun'? because those are the only two meanings of that particular word..."


To quote Princess Bride... "I don't think that words means what you think it does."

Modifié par Heidenreich, 02 octobre 2011 - 12:35 .

[Cosmochyck]

@Arquen, Tashash and Heindenreich,

Well said all of you!  I'm bascially a hater of all "popular" and shortened words.  For example,  you can speak, so say "oh my gosh(god)" insead of saying OMG!  It takes more thought to say the damn acronym!

Anyway....I do not see Fenris as "emo" either.  He is very pragmatic about his particular experiences.  Even when Hawke is aggressive with him, he still doesn't lose it. 

The pic above is hilarious.  And I feel the same about Merrill - no matter what skills I give her she still is pretty useless on the offensive.
I take Fenris everywhere, no matter what class I play.  He's almost unstoppable.  And Anders is hit and miss - I know he's the only healer, but I usually have lots of potions, and once I have Mythal's Favor...
I did just haul Fenris, Aveline and Isabela around for smaller quests on my current PT and some of the banter is priceless.  Especially with Isabela and Aveline. 
And this time I took only Fenris on the Long Road, just to hear him say to Donnic "She wants you. It is pathetic... and admirable."

Modifié par Cosmochyck, 02 octobre 2011 - 01:04 .

[Arquen]

Muahaha I love taking only Fenris on the Long Road. It's like a giant red flag -- "here .. lets go clear the road while Donnic and Aveline have a date.. it's not weird.. right? friend?" I love the awkwardness I imagine between the two as they watch.

As for Fenris's banters about Aveline. It is more of his unconventional, conventional wisdom. I love how he says she is squandering what she doesn't understand. That, to me, is Fenris saying "look.. if you have someone you care about.. and you are free to care for them, then what is stopping you?" - It is a true reflection of how he feels about family and Hawke. The remarks he makes about family even in other banters are borderline envious. Deep down he wants that connection, and longs for it, but realizes he cannot have it. So when he sees Aveline throwing it away for no damn good reason he steps in. "you don't understand" what it is like to be without these things and want them and regret losing them.

Another example of Fenris's perfect wisdom he doesn't even know he has.

[Annarl]

Tashash wrote...

Oooooh Piccie! *gets all shivery* NICE!

AbsoluteApril wrote...

what we really need... is a Fenris TShirt!!

edit to add - aww, a book would be cute!

*Prays this works*

 

cute!

[Annarl]

Arquen wrote...

Lol... I remember when broody and angst actually had a distinct definition apart from "emo." I actually find Fenris quite stoic more than emo. His rage comes out in small bursts, he recovers his emotional turmoil quickly and most of the time he wears a very stoic mask. Except for Hawke and his dialogues his "social" face and the one he wears when in your party and responding in a group is quite unemotional. In fact the only two times he does do an emotional response/ face in front of the group is after Hadrianna.. (he excuses himself), alone (he makes puppy eyes and touches Hawke's face ONLY if romanced), and the gallows kiss (again ONLY if romanced).

He is broody and does have angst. That does not mean he is "emo" ... people will say what they want though. Just ask them to give examples then throw this at them. Along with the true definition of angst: that being the inherit, internal struggle with the self and ones responsibility and role to the self that exists in every human and arguably sentient being. Not overly emotional, not excessive moodiness, nor any of the other muddled definitions this age of urban dictionary and ignorance had wrought. *steps off soapbox*

I agree with you.  He's not overemotional.  He's like a storm in box, sometimes the storm escapes usually when he's talking to Hawke but the outbreaks are few and far between.  He doesn't throw his hand to his brow and cry "Oh Woe is me" all the time.  He's a little broody but when you think of everything he's been through he really has his sh** together.

Fenris doesn't know how smart he really is, Seb once told him that Fenris didn't give himself enough credit.  And it's a very true line.  Seb is right, Fenris doesn't give himself any credit for surviving and becoming a strong whole person who has something to give back.

Modifié par omearaee, 02 octobre 2011 - 03:32 .

[AbsoluteApril]

the only thing emo about Fenris is his hair and even that is 'debatable'. (I always saw Merrill as more 'emo'-ish, she cries and is tormented because 'doesn't anyone else see I'm trying to do what is best? wahhh blood magic isn't so bad; why does no one understand me'.)

Last PT was the anders friendmance and I didn't take Fenris on any quests (had to avoid him as much as possible since he's so hard to resist, I didn't even want to hear his banters) - sad thing I didn't get his personal quest so Denarius was still alive at the end, I felt so bad about that...

Anyways I'm enjoying the current topic you guys are discussing but I have nothing useful to add, just woke up and the brain is still sleeping... it had a hard time of it, after exploding over the Fenris Tshirt. (bought the I Alistair and the Garrus t's... don't know why I never thought of just making my own Fenris t...)

[Sealy]

Arcane_Solona wrote...

 I was just playing DA2 right now, and I was doing Aveline's "The Long Road" quest, and something struck me for the first time, which is the wisdom Fenris displays in all matters love. Like when he says "She's courting him... with a fear reserved for dragons" and later on in the Hanged Man he says "Again she deflects. Don't squander things you do not understand" in such a firm, scolding voice. Its like he's a pro when it comes to romance (which he sooo is, in my opinion; he's so mature about his romance with Hawke- no hiding and fear and shyness, and he knows exactly the right things to say and when to say them).

This elf has much more going for him than he knows;) *mind flits to the bum groping Fenris so aptly does during the 1st romance scene*

Lol, I love taking him on The Long Road but I see it different I think. Everytime he tells Aveline how to romance Donnic my Hawke is just like *eyebrow* "Oh yah, sure Aveline listen to Fenris be cause he is soooo good at not squandering things." My Hawkes get pretty ****y after being dumped. Fave line is "See, How can you ignore advice from someone so stable."

[tankgirly]

by my dear friend sweetcandyrain, previously known as sweetfoxy, the artist who did the lovely picture of Anders.

[Jessicles]

^ That picture!!! *squee*

[Cosmochyck]

I second the "squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"!

[Arcane_Solona]

I love how I've started an entire debate about Fenris and the horrid "emo" word! Everyone's insight into this topic is sooo interesting and fascinating!

I completely agree with all of you; considering all the s**** Fenris has been through, his angst and broodiness is NOTHING. He is a very strong and mature character who knows better than to wallow in self-pity and complain about his woes. That's Anders' job, and he does it well (which is incredibly ANNOYING, by the way). Fenris is far from emo, and he has every right to be broody and angsty. Look at what he's been through, for God's sake! If Anders had been through what Fenris went through, I think he would have gone on a killing rampage and would start massacring every single mage and slaver in sight! He's already doing that with Templars and the Chantry, and they haven't done to him an inch of what was done to Fenris.

The hair, I ADORE, and I don't think its emo. If it was black, hmmm.... maybe. I'm glad they made it white. Its the sexiest hair I've seen! Can you imagine him shaking that soft, ethereal hair away from his impossibly green eyes? *meltssssss*

Modifié par Arcane_Solona, 03 octobre 2011 - 02:02 .

[Arcane_Solona]

Does anyone else on this thread see Fenris as being a smoker? Or am I the only one out there? His voice is so...smokey, if that makes sense. I don't mean its unhealthy or anything, but in a sexy, gravelly sort of way. I'm not a smoker myself, but the thought just occurred to me (random thoughts occur to me all the time).

[Tashash]

@Tanky oh that is just...WOW!

[quote]Arcane_Solona wrote...

The hair, I ADORE, and I don't think its emo. If it was black, hmmm.... maybe. I'm glad they made it white. Its the sexiest hair I've seen! Can you imagine him shaking that soft, ethereal hair away from his impossibly green eyes? *meltssssss*[/quote]

*Melts along with Arcane* I freakin love his hair - I just wanna push my hands through it because it looks so soft.

[quote]Arcane_Solona wrote...

Does anyone else on this thread see Fenris as being a smoker? Or am I the only one out there? His voice is so...smokey, if that makes sense. I don't mean its unhealthy or anything, but in a sexy, gravelly sort of way. I'm not a smoker myself, but the thought just occurred to me (random thoughts occur to me all the time).[/quote]

I don't see him as a smoker, but for personal reasons. I'm anti-smoking, pro-quit.

Modifié par Tashash, 03 octobre 2011 - 03:23 .

[Arquen]

I actually don't see him as a smoker at all. I wonder if Gideon Emery is a smoker? Yet I seriously don't see him as such. Plus I think the only smoking type things in Thedas are pipes and I cannot imagine Fenris with a pipe, lol. There are a couple of pics that show him smoking, but I never took him for one. The voice, while deep, isn't so raspy as a smoker's.

Careful with comparing Anders's misfortunes to Fenris. Anders has been through a lot of hardship and one could say, torture, by the Templars. Solitary confinement, constant scrutiny and cruelty. I would never compare one to the other. They both have had severely traumatic events that have shaped who they are.

That being said, I always did find it amazing how much growth and wisdom and practicality Fenris does have. His hatred is focused - on Danarius, magic, magisters. He doesn't completely lose it to rage, and does struggle against it. "Yes, this is it.. why can't I grasp something so simple!?" It is a true measure of him how he struggles against that slave mentality yet that ability to hide his emotions and bottle things away comes from his time as a slave. His coping mechanism is stoicness, stubbornes, and isolationism. His main coping mechanism being the isolationism. He would rather push people away than let them get too close. He has to overcome this with Hawke. Changing or getting rid of your emotional defense mechanism for someone is an extremely difficult, and most people fail miserably. The fact he can do this.. even if Hawke is a mage is the true testament of how internally strong his will is. He is exceptional in his sheer power of will, and doesn't even see it. It is why he survived the ritual, why he could live as a slave for so long (even without thinking of killing himself), and why he can maintain his freedom and move on with Hawke.

Yet there is always internal struggle with his own demons/past/hate, and that is what makes it such a personal story unlike the other companions. A lot of people hate how he doesn't fit in the plot. I love how his story is personal.

[Sealy]

I have always disagreed with him not fitting in the plot. In a lot of situations he is the only anti mage voice. Otherwise you have a group that is either pro mage or just don't care. Fenris is the only character that stands up and say "Hey, Whoa, use that brian the maker gave you, surely I am not the only one who just saw this group of Mages just raise the dead and try to kill us!" Where as other are all whatever, or lets kill the Templar!!!

[Arquen]

I agree with you as well. I think he has a perfect place in the plot, though others will argue his only place is as a foil for Anders.

His "hook" is also scrutinized. Like "why should I help this strange elf who set me up for an ambush?" -- my answer being.. because he is a living weapon who offers to repay his debt in full even if it means devoting his time and service to you. Fenris has this sense of duty and honor. He values loyalty and trust above all things, and finds that "few in [his] travels.. don't seek personal gain." <-- paraphrased cuz im at work, lol.

So when he meets Hawke he is impressed and thinks "perhaps this is a person who can help me." He realizes he can't do this alone anymore.. not with those amount of hunters. He plainly asks for help. Is up front with what he wants, and offers himself and "all the coin" he has "as promised."

Tell me why Hawke -- who is planning an expedition would not want more skilled people or more coin? Not to mention if your Hawke is anti-slavery. A chance to kill slavers? A chance to get a very helpful and skilled warrior? How is that not a hook in itself?

[UltiPup]

Good gracious I want last panel Fenris's face as an avatar.

[Arquen]

Lmao... that.. that right there is awesome. Fenders.. as it should be .

Work is kicking my arse... gahh.