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[darkrose]

Arquen wrote...
Also, he may not have an "issue" with Meredith, but he isn't cheering the Templars either. He says in Act 3 "I dont care a fig for her!" It is his belief though that "she is the only one holding back the madness in this city." Which I lol at... crazies leading crazies.. indeed Fenris.. indeed. He will sideis with the Templars because he feels it is better to control the chaos and madness than to let the mages go and become completely free with nothing to prevent them from doing what they want.

This is true. But from my mage Hawke's perspective, having his boyfriend agree with the woman who's recently threatened him doesn't go over very well. I really want to see someone who isn't me write the aftermath of that bit with a mage Hawke. 

It's interesting that in Act 3, both Fenris and Anders have essentially solidified their positions, despite ample evidence that neither mages nor Templars can be considered "the good guys". Fenris ignores the fact that we've seen multiple examples of Templars abusing their power; Anders conveniently skips over the detail that almost every mage not named Hawke in Kirkwall is an insane blood mage or abomination. (My favorite line in Act 3: "Can't we go one week without meeting an insane mage? Just one week!")

ETA: Oh, um...let's see if I can do this....

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Modifié par darkrose, 06 octobre 2011 - 07:07 .

[UltiPup]

I've tried Anders solely for him to call Fenris a beast so I could kick his ass out of my mansion. But, even with that little taste, I was turned off. First off, I like my men dominant. If he doesn't have some sign of a spine, I'm not going to play the man. Anders just, I don't know, came off as whiny for me. Oh woe is me, templars templars templars. We never could get off that bloody topic.

I remember my first playthrough I saw Anders and went all happily friendship with him. Then he got clingy within like five lines and suddenly I had to turn him down. Anders, honey, just because a girl will listen to your little rants doesn't mean she has any interest in you. And mind you, I picked 0 Flirt options. Was forced to "end" it by just being Diplomatic. At least with Fenris, he only showed interest when I wanted to. And he never really whined about his predicament. And he didn't try to ****** off my entire party.

Man, it is really going to be hard to do a run without romancing Fenris. Merrill, be strong :<

[Ineffable Igor]

*Pops in*

Hello all!  I come bearing Fenris-y music once more.  This time it's Little Lion Man by Mumford & Sons.  This one would be applicable in Act III, I think, towards the very end of the dry spell, from Fenris's perspective. 

One commenter on SongMeanings.net described it: "I think the verses are of a guy addressing himself, realising how foolishly he's behaved, by pushing the person that they loved away. He says 'Wasted on fixing all the problems that you made in your own head', which could suggest a case of paranoia which, ultimately, ended the relationship."

Fits our elf to a T, no?

[tankgirly]

Some glorious artworks done by pyromaniac03

This is seriously hot


And










And this one

Finally,

Modifié par tankgirly, 06 octobre 2011 - 07:34 .

[Arquen]

Fenris doesn't really ignore the fact that the Circle in Kirkwall and some Templars are bad. He doesn't particularly like any of the Templars or Meredith. It is more he doesn't feel like the alternative offered (total mage freedom) is any kind of solution.

The acts of the Templars are limited to individuals, and he isn't opposed to getting rid of these individuals. Yet it doesn't justify completely removing the Circle to him. He doesn't support Meredith or Templars. He opposes mages ruling themselves. Of course he can also be convinced that fighting for mages is something Hawke needs to do, and will put his bias aside because of his loyalty/friendship/love of Hawke. Though, for some reason this option tends to be difficult for people to achieve, lol.

[darkrose]

Arquen wrote...

Fenris doesn't really ignore the fact that the Circle in Kirkwall and some Templars are bad. He doesn't particularly like any of the Templars or Meredith. It is more he doesn't feel like the alternative offered (total mage freedom) is any kind of solution.

He may not like them, but I can't think of any instances where he didn't side with the Templars over mages. I suppose "Dissent" counts, since he'll attack Alrik.

The acts of the Templars are limited to individuals, and he isn't opposed to getting rid of these individuals. Yet it doesn't justify completely removing the Circle to him. He doesn't support Meredith or Templars. He opposes mages ruling themselves. Of course he can also be convinced that fighting for mages is something Hawke needs to do, and will put his bias aside because of his loyalty/friendship/love of Hawke. Though, for some reason this option tends to be difficult for people to achieve, lol.

I disagree. The problem isn't individual Templars; it's that the entire system is inherently prone to abuse. You put a group of people in a position of near-absolute authority over other people. You tell them that these other people are cursed. And you have no real oversight over the ones with all the power. Alrik is hardly the only Templar who's abusing mages; he's just one of the worst. There's the poor girl in the Gallows who, if you try to talk to her, says that she'll be flogged if the Templars catch her talking to a civilian. Even Templar Carver tells you that he's glad Bethany never had to be in the Circle, because of what he's seen there. 

Meredith either doesn't know what's going on under her nose, in which case she's incompetent and should be fired, or she knows and is letting it happen,  in which case she's incompetent and should be fired. The only oversight in Kirkwall is Elthina, and I noticed that when you approach her about Alrik, she's more concerned with the fact that he's been murdered than the fact that he was a sadistic douchebag. You'd think that when a Templar comes to you and says, "We should totally make all mages Tranquil," that might be a hint that he shouldn't be in a position of authority over mages, but nope! Just send him back in there. Omlettes and eggs, you know. 

What struck me is that there is never any point where Fenris says, "You know, mages need to be watched and all, but these guys are out of control." Similarly, Anders never says "Yeah, this Idunna chick? She needs to be locked up, and throw that cow Grace in with her." In a game that's all about the shades of grey, I find it interesting that these two characters represent the extremes, and that they don't really moderate their positions much. (Though Fenris probably does more than Anders; he'll at least admit that Hawke and/or Bethany is okay.)

Modifié par darkrose, 06 octobre 2011 - 08:22 .

[Naqey]

Arquen wrote...



Lmao... that's why I go to the Anders
thread! Unfortunately, 6 months later and 8 Hawkes later still
haven't done that Andersmance, lol.

Haha! To tell the truth, I am already pretty much resigned to the fact that the only way I will ever be able to play the Fenris romance is by doing Anders' Dissent Quest in Act 2 first, and then send him away. As much as that will hurt, it's still a lot easier than telling him straight in the face to troll away, and then hearing all his jealous bickering later on oO It'
just, if I fall for a fictional character, I do so real hard, it's like I get a tag that says „belongs to...“ I know that a lot of people try out all the romances... I wish I could do that, I really hate that about me. Same thing happend in Origins... if Alistair hadn't been hetero (thank the Maker!), I would probably have never even realized that Zevran was there...


These artworks are breath-takingly beautiful. But who is that elven girl with Fenris on the first picture?

Modifié par Naqey, 06 octobre 2011 - 08:39 .

[tankgirly]

Naqey wrote...
These artworks are breath-takingly beautiful. But who is that elven girl with Fenris on the first picture?

I would assumed whoever the person that commission the artist wanted Hawke to be an elf. It's not the first time I heard people prefered that.

[Arquen]

I love pyros art! I think I want a commission .. gahh.. funds!

Dark Rose - I quite agree with you on that point, actually. All those arguments are valid. I just am saying what I think Fenris's reasoning is.

There are a few quips that both Anders and Fenris say that kind of ease their position. Anders doesn't defend Grace or Tarohne - stating instead that they give mages a bad name and we helped you, grace wtf!

Fenris I think is less hypocritical and more unyielding. I don't think he outright ignores the Templar's actions, nor condones what Alrik does. He also doesn't think murdering Templars is a good idea- "mages in glass houses shouldn't throw fireballs." Yet, he will attack Alrik. Yet, that is more game mechanics.

I pretty much have to go to his "let's murder a Templar!" And his "its not that simple." Dialogue. Also, doesn't he say something about Alrik? How he was operating under Meredith's nose.. gahh not home so can't look it up. I remember he says something when you pick up a letter by Alrik in one of the mansions. Curse you memory! Still.. goes back to my point that he doesn't think the actions of a few Templars are worth absolute mage freedom. The argument is fine, but tell it to Fenris. Maybe he will side with you against the Templars then.

He simply poses the question "what is the alternative?" "Who rules the mages?" He will absolutely not yield on this "mages cannot rule themselves" thing. He can be persuaded to the mages side, but he maintains it is a mistake. Right or wrong or whatever.. that is how he feels (IMHO).

[Arcane_Solona]

Naqey wrote...

Arquen wrote...



Lmao... that's why I go to the Anders
thread! Unfortunately, 6 months later and 8 Hawkes later still
haven't done that Andersmance, lol.

Haha! To tell the truth, I am already pretty much resigned to the fact that the only way I will ever be able to play the Fenris romance is by doing Anders' Dissent Quest in Act 2 first, and then send him away. As much as that will hurt, it's still a lot easier than telling him straight in the face to troll away, and then hearing all his jealous bickering later on oO It'
just, if I fall for a fictional character, I do so real hard, it's like I get a tag that says „belongs to...“ I know that a lot of people try out all the romances... I wish I could do that, I really hate that about me. Same thing happend in Origins... if Alistair hadn't been hetero (thank the Maker!), I would probably have never even realized that Zevran was there...


These artworks are breath-takingly beautiful. But who is that elven girl with Fenris on the first picture?

You're not alone. I played Origins 4 times and I could never bring myself to romance anyone but Alistair. I was so madly in love with him and so profoundly loyal, I even managed to resist Zevran's flirting, which I found to be very difficult seeing as that elf is very enticing.

With DA2, 4 playthroughs later, and I absolutely cannot romance anyone but Fenris (I romanced Anders in my first playthrough because I had a thing for him in Awakening and I had no idea Fenris existed since I hadn't recruited him yet). After discovering and falling for Fenris, I can never see my Hawke being with anyone else. Its literally impossible.

Modifié par Arcane_Solona, 06 octobre 2011 - 11:22 .

[Friera]

I found myself...surprised that I really prefer to romance Fenris as a male Hawke. Never thought I would be "into" gay romance. Oh well.
Ive romanced Anders and thought it was a little boring and less passionatly. Im thinking of doing another pro-templar friendship romance with Fenris, since its been like... forever since last time.
I kinda want to romance Sebastian as well. But then I have to play as a female, and I generally don´t like females as protagonists in any videogames. (but then again, having Sebastian gay would just be wrong).


(gweh! Why is Fenris still in my avatar, and not my Hawke. I never seen this kind of bug before!)

Modifié par Friera, 06 octobre 2011 - 11:58 .

[Heidenreich]

Must... avoid.. comming to Anders defense! *froths a little*

The Anders Romance is adorable and sweet. If you don't like it please please refrain from bashing it to pieces in here. There are more then a few of us who adore both of the male LI's, and this isn't the "I hate Anders" thread (which there actually is one), it's the "Fenris Appreciation Thread."

That goes for bashing the other characters as well. Isabela isn't going to steal "your" Fenris. I promise.

[Friera]

Im sorry. I wasn´t suppose to "bash" Anders. I like him a lot. I just don´t find him as interesting romance wise. Don´t be so defensive.

[Arquen]

Oh don't mind Heiden -- there is just enough Anders hate out there to fill the void itself I think and then some. It's the same with me in the Anders thread sometimes. When people start bashing Fenris I get this kneejerk reaction to defend him. Hard to bite my tongue and remain silent sometimes.

Still, I don't think anyone was really bashing on Anders, Heiden.

There is enough Fenris hate out there too, but I've just given up. People are going to think whatever. Haters gonna hate. I'll just *Fenris eyeroll*

Maker, too tired for any coherent discussion. All I know is .. I've romanced Fenris 7 times and Isabela once, lol. I have lurked on YouTube for the Merrill romance and the Anders romance. Yet, Fenris always seems to be my main romance no matter what. I can't help it.

[Annarl]

Arquen wrote...

Fenris doesn't really ignore the fact that the Circle in Kirkwall and some Templars are bad. He doesn't particularly like any of the Templars or Meredith. It is more he doesn't feel like the alternative offered (total mage freedom) is any kind of solution.

The acts of the Templars are limited to individuals, and he isn't opposed to getting rid of these individuals. Yet it doesn't justify completely removing the Circle to him. He doesn't support Meredith or Templars. He opposes mages ruling themselves. Of course he can also be convinced that fighting for mages is something Hawke needs to do, and will put his bias aside because of his loyalty/friendship/love of Hawke. Though, for some reason this option tends to be difficult for people to achieve, lol.

Doesn't Fenris and Anders have a conversation about Meredith?  Anders says something about Meredith being mad and Fenris says he doesn't care about her only that she is the only thing holding back madness in Kirkwall or something like that.  Fenris just doesn't see any other way to "police" the mages.  The game doesn't really allow for anything alternatives but maybe that will come in the future...DA3 anyone? 

[Heidenreich]

Friera wrote...

Im sorry. I wasn´t suppose to "bash" Anders. I like him a lot. I just don´t find him as interesting romance wise. Don´t be so defensive.

I actually wasn't talking to you. That'll teach me to quote people I'm mom-ing at ;x Sorry for the confusion. That said, it's a blanket request. Trust me when I say I get the same way when people pick on Fenris. Or any of the companions really.. its silly how much hate people have for fictional characters ;p

[Arquen]

That's the "I don't care a fig for her" banter.

Am sleepy... and work sucked.. so.. incoherent at the moment I'm giving one sentence answers.

Edit:

Anders: Do you still support the Knight-Commander?

Fenris: I don't care a fig for her. But she's the only one holding back the madness in this city.

Anders: Holding back? She's howling at the bloody moon! Even her own people think she's lost it. What will it take for you to see that she's crazy?

Fenris: Mages in glass houses shouldn't throw fireballs.

Coincidentally two of my favorite Fenris quotes in one banter

Modifié par Arquen, 06 octobre 2011 - 02:34 .

[Annarl]

Heidenreich wrote...

Friera wrote...

Im sorry. I wasn´t suppose to "bash" Anders. I like him a lot. I just don´t find him as interesting romance wise. Don´t be so defensive.

I actually wasn't talking to you. That'll teach me to quote people I'm mom-ing at ;x Sorry for the confusion. That said, it's a blanket request. Trust me when I say I get the same way when people pick on Fenris. Or any of the companions really.. its silly how much hate people have for fictional characters ;p

This is true.  I don't have the time to waste on hating something that isn't real.  There are characters I don't care for, or I don't connect with but hate, an NPC.  Hate is a very strong word and it gets thrown around too easily...IMHO of course.:happy:

[Annarl]

Arquen wrote...

That's the "I don't care a fig for her" banter.

Am sleepy... and work sucked.. so.. incoherent at the moment I'm giving one sentence answers.

Edit:

Anders: Do you still support the Knight-Commander?

Fenris: I don't care a fig for her. But she's the only one holding back the madness in this city.

Anders: Holding back? She's howling at the bloody moon! Even her own people think she's lost it. What will it take for you to see that she's crazy?

Fenris: Mages in glass houses shouldn't throw fireballs.

Coincidentally two of my favorite Fenris quotes in one banter

That's the one.  And his tone clearly expresses that he doesn't respect her or should I say support her.  He just doesn't see any alternative.  And with his life experiences, that's understandable.

[Arquen]

Made a quick Fenris banner for my TUMBLR. I edited it and all that. I keep getting lost in those eyes O.O



and with that my fellow Fenris fans.. I am out.. more work ahead *dies a little inside*

[Naqey]

Heidenreich wrote...

Must... avoid.. comming to Anders defense! *froths a little*

The Anders Romance is adorable and sweet. If you don't like it please please refrain from bashing it to pieces in here. There are more then a few of us who adore both of the male LI's, and this isn't the "I hate Anders" thread (which there actually is one), it's the "Fenris Appreciation Thread."

That goes for bashing the other characters as well. Isabela isn't going to steal "your" Fenris. I promise.

Haha, you wrote what I kept myself from writing... this intense urge to defend... but I'm learning. Really, sometimes it is such a fine line between "bashing"/"hateful outpours" and stating one's opinion about a certain character. I mean, cuddling and fangirl(boy)ing is all good and nice for so long, but sometimes I find it hard to distinguish between what is perceived as genuine discussion and what as bashing oO 

[Tealsie]

Ineffable Igor wrote...

*Pops in*

Hello all!  I come bearing Fenris-y music once more.  This time it's Little Lion Man by Mumford & Sons.  This one would be applicable in Act III, I think, towards the very end of the dry spell, from Fenris's perspective. 

Ooh, that does fit quite nicely!  It should be added to the playlist.
 And now I'm listening to it over and over again...

Arquen wrote...

Made a quick Fenris banner for my TUMBLR. I edited it and all that. I keep getting lost in those eyes O.O

His eyes are a trap.
*keeps falling into said trap*

[hardcor]

tankgirly wrote...

Some glorious artworks done by pyromaniac03















And this one

Finally,

damn this pictures made me puke

Modifié par hardcor, 06 octobre 2011 - 06:26 .

[Tealsie]

hardcor wrote...

tankgirly wrote...

Some glorious artworks done by pyromaniac03

[snipped loveliness]

damn this pictures made me puke

Is there really any call to be so terribly rude?  
And that should be "these" not "this", btw.

Modifié par Tealsie, 06 octobre 2011 - 06:28 .

[Naqey]

hardcor wrote...

damn this pictures made me puke

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