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[Arquen]

It isn't just that, though. A young person can be "mature" in manner, but there are physiological and psychological changes that occur and fully mature after physical age markers are met.

A true "adult" critical thinking/analogy skills are matured at around 28 - 30. So when I say mannerism im basing it more on his cognitive abilities than the way he acts specifically.


Woot! Selfish repost of my art for TOP. Lol.. doing this by phone is ridiculously hard!

Modifié par Arquen, 07 octobre 2011 - 05:59 .

[Arcane_Solona]

Oh well, we can guess and debate all we want, but we'll never know unless DG miraculously appears here and simply tells us.

[Arquen]

Someone should ask him on his twitter.. see if he responds, lol.

I have theories like everyone else, but yeah.. in the end it is simply a guess. Or hypothesis, lol.

[Arcane_Solona]

Arquen wrote...

Someone should ask him on his twitter.. see if he responds, lol.

I have theories like everyone else, but yeah.. in the end it is simply a guess. Or hypothesis, lol.

That's worth a try!

EDIT: I've said this several times before, but saying it again won't hurt: YOUR ART IS SO UNBELIEVABLY AMAZING! You capture Fenris' eyes soooooo well! The emotion behind them. Wow. Just wow!

Modifié par Arcane_Solona, 07 octobre 2011 - 06:17 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Well, by the end of the game I'd guess he's at least in his mid thirties. Here's why:

I'm assuming Fenris was physically completely mature when he got the markings, that is to say, 19 or older. There are a bunch of reasons I think this that I'm not going to go into at this point (if you want to come up with reasons you disagree, I'd be interested in hearing them). Then I assume a decent, chunky tenure as a slave: at least five years, possibly longer. Then three years on the run. So when you meet him, do all that little math, and he's at the very least 27, possibly older. And the game takes six plus years after you met him so... math math math.

As for maturity, I wouldn't try to correlate that directly with personality all the time. The most mature guy I've dated was significantly younger than me, but based on his personality you would easily have pegged him as mid-to-late thirties. He's actually one of my "rivalry" exes, the one who reminds me the most of Fenris.

As for the longevity of city elves, I assume that all elves age at least a bit slower than humans, but that city elves tend to die younger for all the same reasons people in poverty die younger everywhere: malnutrition, poor access to medical care, substance abuse. I don't think it's possible to know if city elves would be longer lived than humans, under ideal circumstances.

[Arcane_Solona]

See, I've always imagined that he was younger when he received the markings; around 14 or 15. I don't know why... I think its the fact that he remembered how he used to play with Variana while their mother worked, and that is the latest memory he has of her (or so it seems, since its the first thing he recalls when he sees her in the Hanged Man). Around that age (14/15), he's still a child but old enough to be strong enough to compete for the markings and impress Danarius. I imagine he spent a good 5 years or more working for Danarius, and I estimate that, by the time he was on the run, he was maybe 20 or 21, which makes him 23-24 possibly 25 when he first meets Hawke. But again, this is purely speculation. I'm just putting my analysis out there. By no means do I think it is the correct one.

[Arquen]

CGG if we keep up this trend of agreeing all the time who am I gonna have to challenge and disagree with me!? Lol.

I definitely agree he was physically mature when he got the markings. Personality does not = maturity hence I base it more on psychological development theory than strictly personality. If he is 26 when we first meet him then at end game he would be around 36 - that sounds about right actually. Going by Eriksons stages of development, I see Fenris going from intimacy vs isolation to branching into generativity vs stagnation by end game. That would support the 26 - 36 theory well, I think.

Modifié par Arquen, 07 octobre 2011 - 06:47 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Honestly it's his line "if there was anyone before..." and the way it is delivered that makes me think he was older when the ritual happened. Old enough that, as far as he knows, there could have been people before. Otherwise, I don't think he'd think about that in the same way.

Before that line, I pictured the ritual happening when he was younger. But with that line, and the way he delivers it, I realized something that made a lot of Fenris-related things click for me. I don't think Fenris has any idea how old he is.

A nineteen-year-old body can look very much like a twenty-five year old one. Losing memories of one's childhood is one thing, but not knowing how much one might have lost... that's a bigger thing. If one were "born" as a full adult, with no real way of marking the passage of time, I think it would be much more disconcerting than waking up as an adolescent and having to remake yourself. It just fits better for me if he's older, given how he often tends to indicate that he believes pretty much anything might have happened in his past. If he knew that all that he lost was his childhood, I think the questions he asks and the losses he implies would be different, focused on a more limited scope that's easier to infer, rather than his whole "I pretty much could have had and lost just about anything" vibe.

[Naqey]

Another argument that speaks for Fenris' receiving the markings at an age where he was fully grown: the lyrium was burned into his flesh. If he would still grow after that, i.e. his body would still considerably change, who knows what effects that could have had on the lyrium markings? Of course it's magic, and maybe Danarius could have worked against any harmful effect of bodily growth on the lyrium markings to keep any damage from his "property", but it would probably be safer to only do the ritual once the body is grown.

Modifié par Naqey, 07 octobre 2011 - 08:28 .

[darkrose]

Arcane_Solona wrote...
You're not alone. I played Origins 4 times and I could never bring myself to romance anyone but Alistair. I was so madly in love with him and so profoundly loyal, I even managed to resist Zevran's flirting, which I found to be very difficult seeing as that elf is very enticing.

I tried playing a male Warden so I couldn't romance Alistair.

By the time I got to Ostagar, I'd installed the Equal Love mod.

It's the kicked puppy look when you turn him down that gets me every. single. time.

[darkrose]

Arquen wrote...

That's the "I don't care a fig for her" banter.

Am sleepy... and work sucked.. so.. incoherent at the moment I'm giving one sentence answers.

Edit:

Anders: Do you still support the Knight-Commander?

Fenris: I don't care a fig for her. But she's the only one holding back the madness in this city.

Anders: Holding back? She's howling at the bloody moon! Even her own people think she's lost it. What will it take for you to see that she's crazy?

Fenris: Mages in glass houses shouldn't throw fireballs.

Coincidentally two of my favorite Fenris quotes in one banter

I admit that I have Strong Feelings about Meredith. So does my Hawke. There are three times in the game where he chooses the "Agressive" answer: when he calls Merrill on her "the spirit helped us" thing; before the fight with Alrik (which I usually end up replaying so I can get Varric's awesome response to the purple option); and when he's dealing with Meredith. Julian is Snarky Good, but mostly polite about it. The fact that he'll be rude to Meredith is an indication of how deeply he loathes her. Having Fenris appear to take her side...yeah. Ouch.

[darkrose]

Arcane_Solona wrote...

While out on my daily run in the park today, a thought occurred to me: I have no idea how old Fenris is. When we first meet him in Act 1, how old is he? I always assumed he was around Hawke's age, around 26 or 27. Anyone know for sure?

I don't know, and it bugs me. I'm horrible at estimating ages; I figured Hawke for around 21 at the start of the game, until Legacy indicated otherwise.

[darkrose]

Arquen wrote...

Not to mention memory wipe that pretty much killed whatever he knew about his birth and age. He actually looks closer to 30's. He has some creases on his face that indicate age. Being a city elf I don't think he would have Dalish longevity. It is debatable whether city elves naturally live longer or age slower than humans. Im inclined to believe they might physically age slower, but their long lives are not like the Dalish and probably closer to humans.

I'd guess that elves take longer to show the signs of aging. The Dalish are longer-lived, but probably not that much longer; in "Nature of the Beast", the Lady tells Zathrian "Your people believe you've regained the longevity of your ancestors". City elves probably die fairly young, given the circumstances most of them live in.

As far as Fenris, I'm inclined to go with 30's. He had to have been an incredibly skilled fighter before the lyrium, which makes me think he wasn't a kid.

[darkrose]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
As for the longevity of city elves, I assume that all elves age at least a bit slower than humans, but that city elves tend to die younger for all the same reasons people in poverty die younger everywhere: malnutrition, poor access to medical care, substance abuse. I don't think it's possible to know if city elves would be longer lived than humans, under ideal circumstances.

D'oh! I should have read the whole thread before replying.  Here, have a picture of Hawke's Boy Band: the Legacy Years:

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Modifié par darkrose, 07 octobre 2011 - 08:57 .

[Arquen]

Actually... rethinking some things.. it all kind of depends on how long he was with Danarius. Im going to venture 5 - 10 years at least. He would be physically mature at 20 or maybe 19. He could have studied as a warrior since childhood 10 - 13. 9 years training would make a damn good warrior. So, 19 for rit -- ten years with Danarius 29 -- 3 years running 32 -- 9-10 yrs in kirkwall.. he would be rounding 40 if not older, lol. If we chop Danarius' time to 5-8 years then it makes him a bit younger. But I don't think we can shave much off of the 19 unless we count him as an astute warrior and physically mature at say what? 17? Hard to imagine.

[ReiSilver]

darkrose wrote...

Arquen wrote...

Not to mention memory wipe that pretty much killed whatever he knew about his birth and age. He actually looks closer to 30's. He has some creases on his face that indicate age. Being a city elf I don't think he would have Dalish longevity. It is debatable whether city elves naturally live longer or age slower than humans. Im inclined to believe they might physically age slower, but their long lives are not like the Dalish and probably closer to humans.

I'd guess that elves take longer to show the signs of aging. The Dalish are longer-lived, but probably not that much longer; in "Nature of the Beast", the Lady tells Zathrian "Your people believe you've regained the longevity of your ancestors". City elves probably die fairly young, given the circumstances most of them live in.

As far as Fenris, I'm inclined to go with 30's. He had to have been an incredibly skilled fighter before the lyrium, which makes me think he wasn't a kid.

I don't actually think the Dalish elves are slow to age. I think they live longer then most city elves simply through having a better quality of life. The Lady is addressing Zathrian himself, as the nature of the curse gave him immortality until he breaks it, not the whole clan. One of the epilogues will tell how he finds it harder to keep up with the changing world and eventually leaves, never to be found again.

[Arquen]

REI... there you are! Come out if lurk mode more often, lol.

I don't know.. most elves age well. Even Marethari and Orsino look "young" for their age. If they live longer im inclined to believe they do age slower. Or at the very least they age well and don't look as old as they are. Even Feynriels mother looks young though she seems to show her age more than most.

[Tashash]

*Walks in shaking and wild eyed*

Fenris. Withdrawal. Must. Finnish. Origins. Soon!!!

*See's Arquen's pic*
Oh yes, that takes the edge off!

Seriously though - It's awesome!

Hmmm, the age debate again...I always thought of him as around mid 20's, but reading the arguments here...Yeah, 30's has a lot more realism to it.

[Night Dreams]

I'm pretty sure it has been said somewhere the elves do indeed live longer than humans, but its' even been speculated that they weren't at all immortal to begin with and that Uthenera was in fact the eldest passing away. It's interesting to ponder nevertheless.

[ReiSilver]

^^; I'm betting I'll be on here a lot after MotA comes out, I'm so excited for possible Fenris content in that DLC and hopefully I'll be drawing more Fenris

[Heidenreich]

ReiSilver wrote...

^^; I'm betting I'll be on here a lot after MotA comes out, I'm so excited for possible Fenris content in that DLC and hopefully I'll be drawing more Fenris

*snuggles Rei* WE NEED MORE MARRIC 'ROUND HURR.

[Arcane_Solona]

In his 40's by the time DA2 is over???!!! I find that very hard to imagine. No offense to any 40+ year olds out there, but he just seems too young to hit 40 by the end of Act 3. I just.... No. I can't wrap my head around it. Maybe 34 or 35? That seems more plausible. Well, to me, at least.

Modifié par Arcane_Solona, 07 octobre 2011 - 12:57 .

[Heidenreich]

You have to remember that the characters don't actually age through the telling of Varric's story. That doesn't mean they didn't in the "actual events".

[Arquen]

So we can shave off a few years -- study at 10 --> ritual at 18 (fully physically mature early?) --> Danarius 8 years, 26 --> 3 years running --> 29 --> 9 years in Kirkwall... so 38 by the time the story ends.

He could be like Aragorn though --- Aragorn looks damn good for 88, LMAO. Fenris looks damn good for 40. *ROFL*

[Naqey]

Haha, you make it sound like you're auctioning off Fenris' age. Will anyone offer more? Anyone?

But I'd agree with Arcane_Solona. 40+ seems a little old... Late 30s is what I'd go for, very much favouring Arquen's last calculation.