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[Ineffable Igor]

Oh.  My.  God. 

BEST THING THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED IN THE HISTORY OF EVER.

I am speechless.  I have laughed myself dumb.

Edit:  OMG, ToP!  YAY!


by ~iPoppet


by ~Vinghen


by ~wallabri

Modifié par Ineffable Igor, 08 octobre 2011 - 08:32 .

[Arquen]

LOL... yeah I saw that ... it's been going around the Tumblr. Hercules was never my favorite Disney so I must be like the only one who goes when I see the Fenris reference to it. Still, funny stuff.

It's kind of hard to tell because of the redesign. DA2 elves have larger
eyes in general, and bigger heads, and the men don't have any facial
hair, even stubble, and both men and women have extremely slight builds.
They don't have what most people think of as age signifiers. Both
Marethari and Merrill looked much older in the Dalish origin story; now
Merrill looks like she's about 14. 

The one elf who looks older in DA2, oddly, is Zevran, who really looks like he's been through hell in the past 6 years.

Oh, Maker -- don't even get me started on Zevran and Alistair! I had to mod them to look more appropriate. Those models were a disaster. Alistair looked like he had "been through hell" as well, and we know humans don't age THAT badly even in Thedas.

The redesign doesn't make me completely throw out the other models, but when I judge Merrill and Marethari and the city elves and such I go more with the DA2 models because it is the most current. Also because they have bigger roles in DA2. Though even in Origins the elves seemed to age well at least. The older elves still maintained younger features even if they looked older compared to the DA2 models. I'm still going to have to go with the elves age slower or at least better than the average human.

[darkrose]

Arquen wrote...

LOL... yeah I saw that ... it's been going around the Tumblr. Hercules was never my favorite Disney so I must be like the only one who goes when I see the Fenris reference to it. Still, funny stuff.

It's kind of hard to tell because of the redesign. DA2 elves have larger
eyes in general, and bigger heads, and the men don't have any facial
hair, even stubble, and both men and women have extremely slight builds.
They don't have what most people think of as age signifiers. Both
Marethari and Merrill looked much older in the Dalish origin story; now
Merrill looks like she's about 14. 

The one elf who looks older in DA2, oddly, is Zevran, who really looks like he's been through hell in the past 6 years.

Oh, Maker -- don't even get me started on Zevran and Alistair! I had to mod them to look more appropriate. Those models were a disaster. Alistair looked like he had "been through hell" as well, and we know humans don't age THAT badly even in Thedas.

The redesign doesn't make me completely throw out the other models, but when I judge Merrill and Marethari and the city elves and such I go more with the DA2 models because it is the most current. Also because they have bigger roles in DA2. Though even in Origins the elves seemed to age well at least. The older elves still maintained younger features even if they looked older compared to the DA2 models. I'm still going to have to go with the elves age slower or at least better than the average human.

I think I may have actually cried when I saw Zevran.  Okay, not really, but I was definitely like "WTF??"

The Dalish in Origins seemed to age relatively well. The City Elves, not so much, which makes sense given their environment. 

I tend to go more with the Origins elf models because I like my Tabris Warden exactly the way she is. I HATE the sticky-outy ears and the noses. I couldn't do the Merrill romance even if I wanted to because I'd feel like a creepy old person. Overall, they're deep into the uncanny valley for me, with the exception of Fenris. For some reason, his features don't seem to be as exaggerated, except for his eyes, and, well, I'm a sucker for puppy eyes.

[darkrose]

 Something that's been bugging me for a while:

Does anyone have a list of Fenris's lines during combat? I like that he doesn't yell, but the downside is that I can't hear him at all.

[Tashash]

darkrose wrote...

 Something that's been bugging me for a while:

Does anyone have a list of Fenris's lines during combat? I like that he doesn't yell, but the downside is that I can't hear him at all.

Here you go.

Combat Comments for Fenris

Commencing Combat

• More enemies approach.
• Be wary!
• Nothing is ever easy.
• And so it begins.
• Shall we end this quickly?
• Another battle is upon us.
• More blood to be shed.
• We shall not falter.

While fighting:

• Vishante.
• Venhedis.
• Now we shall see.
• A mark is made.
• Kaffar!
• You wish to fight?
• Most unwise.
• Alluvin valla kal.
• Let us see.
• We move again.
• A thrust.
• Now a parry.
• An interesting tactic.
• Again?

Taunts:

• That was a mistake.
• Is that the best you can do?
• Ahh, a shame that you are going to die, no?
• Surely you can't hope to best me.

Kills an Enemy:

• Another falls before me.
• Rest, and be grateful.
• That one shall not rise again.
• One more is vanquished.
• On to the next.

Post-battle:

• All done? Alas.
• It seems we are victorious.
• The enemies have fallen before us.
• We have done well.
• And we live another day.

Low on Health:

• Healing would be welcome!
• I will not last, at this rate.
• I am about to fall!

Low on Stamina:

• I cannot continue like this.
• Kevesh!
• I am beginning to tire.

Takes a Potion:

• Time for a potion.
• Benefaris.
• Time for a quick drink.

Recovering from KO Mid-fight:

• You have my thanks.
• I fight again.
• I rise from the brink of death.
• This time I will not fail.

Recovering from KO After Fight:

• Ahh, this is not going to heal quickly.
• We need to stop and rest when we've a moment.
• I will need bandages soon.
• I sustained an injury in the last battle.
• My wounds need attention.

Someone Else KO'd:

• The mage is down.
• Aveline has fallen?
• Your sister has fallen.
• Your brother has fallen.
• Ahh, Isabela.
• Surely we all saw that coming.
• Now the dwarf falls.
• This is not good.
• No! (if Hawke falls)
• No! I will not allow it! (if romanced and Hawke falls)

[Arcane_Solona]

@Tashash MAKER! THANK YOU SO MUCH! This is BRILLIANT!

NOTE: The following is a rant on Origins that I just feel like I need to get off of my chest. Its been a long, long time since I played Origins, so forgive me if I sound like a critic who has played the game for the first time.

I got this random desire to start a new Origins playthrough today (first time I played Origins since DA2 came out) and inspired by my immense love for Fenris, I chose to be an elf for the second time out of 5 playthroughs. A Dalish elf, to be more specific. And let me tell you this: Merrill was awful in Origins in comparison to the adorable version in DA2! She has that annoying, serious, overly mature and monotonous voice with a non-distinct Canadian accent that all the elves seem to have (I love the accent, but my Merrill is Welsh, not Canadian!). Seriously, I was like WHAA?? I am sooo glad they made her the way she is in DA2!

Obviously, the combat system is horrid. It is so slow and just blah! Nothing in comparison to the combat in DA2!

Plus, I actually prefer the elves in DA2. In Origins, they just looked like much shorter, much skinnier and much pointier versions of humans. Their eyes were so normal and small. I love how in DA2, big, doe-like green eyes seems to be a dominant feature of the elves, that and their wonderful noses. I prefer their revamped ears as well, because they actually look like elf ears as opposed to pointier versions of human ears. The humans in DA2 are so much better as well! Really, I couldn't get over how bad the graphics were in Origins in comparison to DA2; I was never a fan of the faces to begin with, but after getting used to the brilliance in DA2, I was in shock. I mean, can anyone believe how Isabela looked in Origins? Awful! Purely awful!

I know this is off topic, but since you guys were talking about how elves looked in Origins, I thought I'd add my bit.

To jump back on topic: After meeting Alistair again after a long break from Origins, he just doesn't do it for me anymore because... well.. you guys don't even have to guess; Fenris has taken over. And its irrevocable.

Modifié par Arcane_Solona, 08 octobre 2011 - 01:34 .

[Heidenreich]

Nope, Alistair will always always be my first video game love. I was never really into Zevran.. I actually like him better in fic's then in the actual game. He seems.. lacking. Like there's a whole Zevran universe that we didn't get to see.

I would die a happy woman if Gaider wrote a book from Zevran's point of view. A pre-story, obviously.. but still!

[Tealsie]

Tashash wrote...


[*]Takes a Potion:

• Time for a potion.
  
• Benefaris.
  
• Time for a quick drink.

How do you get them to say something when taking a potion? No one ever says anything for me.

[Heidenreich]

Tealsie wrote...
How do you get them to say something when taking a potion? No one ever says anything for me.

Put it on a harder setting, thus needing to use potions more often?

I'm kind of suprised. I get potion-banter all the time.

"What's in this thing, nightshade?!"

"Bottems up!"

[Arquen]

I also was an Alistair fangirl -- though I did Dragon Age backwards, LOL.

I watched my boyfriend play a bit of Origins a looong time ago.. then when DA2 came out he played it, and basically installed it on my desktop and told me to double click "HERE" on the icon, LOL.

I haven't looked back since, and after playing DA2 3 times I loaded up origins and awakenings and played through them twice. Then I went back and did my 5 more PTs of DA2.

So, technically I've always been a Fenris fan first, LOL. I was impressed with Zevran but Alistair pretty much had me from the start. Zevran sort of turned me off with his overly flirtatious lines and innuendos. I'm just not a flirty person and so that sort of bravado and swagger turns me off a bit. I loved trolling Alistair and meeting his quips and bluffs with my own. I loved his outlook and how he seemed to always try to see the good in people. How he always spoke his mind when he didn't agree with you. His sense of humor and the struggles we went through together. I just really connected with his character. Moreso than I did with Zevran. It was hard in DA:O to choose companions to take, LOL. I always had Alistair, but I would have to switch Zev and Morrigan and Shale out. I brought Lelianna around, but didn't much care for her. Wynne was fun, and I would bring her around a few times. Basically my groups were just a hodgepodge.

So unlike my DA2 where I pretty much took Fenris, Anders, Isabela/Varric/Aveline/Seb -- yeah, I hardly took Merrill anywhere except that one PT when I was trying to "get to know her." I dislike Merrill, and so I usually choose not to take her anywhere.

I get the potion banters all the time as well. Fenris always gets me -- "Time for a quick drink!" -- "Hey, you stashing some wine in that tight suit? -- oh.. potion.. right...surreee."

You can also set tactics for them to use potions on their own if their health reaches <25% or <50% -- I usually do that at least on Fenris so he can take care of himself a bit if Anders or myself are low on mana. Pretty sure I've gotten all the potion banters/combat banters from everyone now, LOL. There isn't anything on that list I haven't heard in game.

[Patchwork]

delurking

There's elements to the DA2 elves which I like, the eyes, the ears. The noses I'm not keen on (a bit Avatar imo) but I don't hate them either. I don't like the mismatch of head and body DA2 elves have. Big bobble heads on tiny bodies.

I downloaded a mod which gave DAO elves DA2 features and hey presto I've found my Dragon Age elves. They're not short humans with pointy ears anymore but a distinct species. Ones without the ultra skinny bodies of DA2.

My pet peeve is the faded tattoos, sometimes you can't see them at all.

I love both Alistair and Zevran's romances for different reasons. Alistair's is sweet, romantic and the real world can tear you apart if you're not careful. Zevran's takes time, it's so easy to sabotages it but in the end you have this caring man who will do anything for you.
It really depends on the warden I'm playing. I will admit though I have a harder time resisting a Zevran flirt than an Alistair one

[Gervaise]

Small suggestion if you want to really appreciate Zevran - tell him straight off that you're not interested and just want to be friends - then you as Warden don't get all the sexual inuendo (though of course your companions do) but he still comes through for you and I found him actually one of the most loyal people you can have. I got him to assassinate Loghain and in answer to his question - yes I totally got the irony, that's way I did it. At the end he asked my female Warden if he could stay on as a Grey Warden mascot, so she got Alistair as love interest and Zevran as faithful friend - she was in heaven.

And though I find it very hard to resist Fenris, I did do a similar thing with him and Sebastian - spiritual lover and best friend for my mage Hawke to rely on and the added bonus is that they actually like one another. Only disappointment was that she didn't even get a chaste kiss from Sebastian but I suppose you can't have everything. Varric was lying though - he implied Hawke had no one left at the end and I know that's not true. Seb can't help it he doesn't register as a proper love interest and Fenris is 100% loyal friend, so I know he would never leave my Hawke.

[Hela]

Ineffable Igor wrote...

Oh.  My.  God. 

BEST THING THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED IN THE HISTORY OF EVER.

I am speechless.  I have laughed myself dumb.

I... just needed to comment. I had genuine tears flushing from laughter. The Varric=]
...need to see this again. And again. I´ll live a good half an hour longer now due to all the laughing.

[darkrose]

Tashash wrote...

darkrose wrote...

 Something that's been bugging me for a while:

Does anyone have a list of Fenris's lines during combat? I like that he doesn't yell, but the downside is that I can't hear him at all.

Here you go.

This is awesome! Thank you so much!

Er...I have another question, though. Are there translations for any of these:

Vishante.

Venhedis.

Kaffar!

Alluvin valla kal.
Arcanum/Tevene/Tevinter/Whatever is driving me absolutely insane trying to write Fenris. It's clearly not a direct translation from Latin, but we don't have enough information to do what people have done with Elven. 

Modifié par darkrose, 08 octobre 2011 - 10:49 .

[darkrose]

Arcane_Solona wrote...
NOTE: The following is a rant on Origins that I just feel like I need to get off of my chest. Its been a long, long time since I played Origins, so forgive me if I sound like a critic who has played the game for the first time.

I got this random desire to start a new Origins playthrough today (first time I played Origins since DA2 came out) and inspired by my immense love for Fenris, I chose to be an elf for the second time out of 5 playthroughs. A Dalish elf, to be more specific. And let me tell you this: Merrill was awful in Origins in comparison to the adorable version in DA2! She has that annoying, serious, overly mature and monotonous voice with a non-distinct Canadian accent that all the elves seem to have (I love the accent, but my Merrill is Welsh, not Canadian!). Seriously, I was like WHAA?? I am sooo glad they made her the way she is in DA2! 

Obviously, the combat system is horrid. It is so slow and just blah! Nothing in comparison to the combat in DA2! 
Plus, I actually prefer the elves in DA2. In Origins, they just looked like much shorter, much skinnier and much pointier versions of humans. Their eyes were so normal and small. I love how in DA2, big, doe-like green eyes seems to be a dominant feature of the elves, that and their wonderful noses. I prefer their revamped ears as well, because they actually look like elf ears as opposed to pointier versions of human ears. The humans in DA2 are so much better as well! Really, I couldn't get over how bad the graphics were in Origins in comparison to DA2; I was never a fan of the faces to begin with, but after getting used to the brilliance in DA2, I was in shock. I mean, can anyone believe how Isabela looked in Origins? Awful! Purely awful!

I know this is off topic, but since you guys were talking about how elves looked in Origins, I thought I'd add my bit.

YMMV, and clearly does. 

I much prefer the graphic style of Origins. Denerim looks like a real medieval city, and the alienage actually looks like a ghetto. The metaphor of elves = ethnic minorities/displaced indigenous people doesn't work nearly as well for me in DA2 when the elves actually look like a different species altogether; having Vaughan say that elves were "animals" was more horrifying to me when the only difference was that they were shorter and had slightly different features. The extreme pointed ears, in particular, make them read as cartoonish, more like WoW elves than high fantasy elves, and what I liked about Origins was the novel take on the noble, aloof high fantasy elf trope. I honestly don't think the punch to the gut feeling I had when I first did the City Elf origin would have been as strong or as meaningful if I hadn't been able to identify with my Tabris girl because I designed her to look like a (thinner, prettier) version of me.

I like the accents in Origins (or lack thereof, from an American POV)  as well, because at least they're consistent; though to be fair, I have issues with the humans in DA2 as well. Male or female, Hawke sounds far too posh for someone who grew up in a Ferelden farm town.

As for the humans...they all look like Sims 3 characters, with their pudding faces and oversized chins. The character creator won't let me make Julian like I want to; it's simply not possible to make his face as narrow and sharp as it should be, because they've apparently decided that all men must have incredibly square jaws. Isabela is the exception, but then again, she was a minor, easily-skipped character in Origins; I can see why they didn't spend a lot of time on her. I like her design, and I'm glad they made her dark-skinned, but if you look at her arms in particular, once again, there's enormous fail in the rendering of characters who aren't white.

Combat in Origins was too slow, but in DA2, it's fast enough that I almost wasn't able to play--the camera movement gave me migraines. I miss the top-down tactical view that let me see the whole battlefield, and I miss the fun of having to figure out when to go into stealth and how to best position myself for a backstab. I hope that DA3 finds a balance between the two systems.

Modifié par darkrose, 08 octobre 2011 - 10:39 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

As is my wont, I prefer a compromise.

I felt like the DA:O elves were fine, but too understated. I liked the character of Merril fine, but I did feel the elves were overly serious in general. That was, I think, part of why my Mahariel fell so quickly for Alistair... because while I really enjoy the premise of the Dalish in Origins, I'll agree that their actual gameplay is a bit boring compared to some of the other origins.

On the other hand, the DA2 elves are too exaggerated. If you like Fenris, don't assume you like male elves: Fenris is a substantially bulked up version of the default male elf. And look at Varania and Orana... I don't think they're particularly cute at all, which, to me, indicates that it's a lot harder to make cute NPCs with the current elf model. Merrill, Fenris, and Orsino are fine, but I think I preferred the look of non-companion elves in DA:O. I think that dialing it back to something a bit more subtle, midway between the two styles, would be best.

As for Merrill, I like cute stumbly people, don't get me wrong... but it would have been interesting to see her adapt to her environment, and become a little more self-confident and secure by the end of the game, if they wanted to tie her in to her original version in DA:O. It would have made it more believable that she was the same person, and it would have made her less of a moe stereotype.

Oddly, my first Bioware romance video game love was... Kaidan, and now he barely pings my radar. Then came Garrus, who is still my favorite, then Alistair, Zevran, and finally Anders, Fenris, and Isabella.

[Arcane_Solona]

Alistair was my first ever Bioware love. Tidus from Final Fantasy X was my very first ever RPG love, and I was 11 when I fell for him back in 2003 =P

Don't get me wrong, I still adore Alistair and he'll always have a soft spot in my Fenris-infested heart. The first time I played Origins, I fell sooooo madly in love with him, it was insane! I was obsessed in all senses of the word! My brother (who did pretty much what your boyfriend did, Arquen, except it was Origins on PS3) got so sick of me and kept jokingly saying how he regrets ever introducing me to the DA world. I of course, owe him my life because of it =P

I never liked Zevran in a romantic sense. Nah. Wayyy too flirty and out there for me. I'm a shy (when it comes to romance, at least), quiet, and very monogamous kind of person, very much like Alistair and Fenris; I don't tolerate open relationships and orgies, thank you very much. I always told him off the moment I recruited me, and we always ended up being the best of friends, which is the greatest thing because, if my Warden led him on, Alistair would refuse to kiss my Warden if Zev was around, AND I'd get -3 disapproval points from Zev all the time. Urgh!

About the graphics, to each his own, I guess. I just adore the DA2 graphics (I have never seen a default character as HOT as that Marian Hawke!) and while I continue to love Alistair and his cute, soft, caring, extremely gentle nature (his romance lines made me melt more than Fenris' lines at times- especially when he says "I love you", which is several times over throughout the game, while Fenris doesn't say it ONCE *scowls*), I would choose a personality like Fenris' over Alistair's as a romance because... well...Fenris is just my right cup of tea.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

It's fascinating to me how many people say Fenris is exactly the kind of guy they'd pick.

If I could pick a guy, it'd be someone like Varric or Garrus... happy, supportive, maybe has some issues and life problems, but is dealing with them. Just wants to go out and have some adventures and tell some war stories.

For me, Fenris is the archetypical "romance you don't pick, but you end up with." The frustrating, fascinating "this is not what I planned for" kind of thing.

I actually group Anders and Alistair into the same romantic "type," in that they evoke the same emotions from me... different ones than the others. For Garrus and Varric, it's sort of a "mutual appreciation society" thing, where we both love and trust each other and we're so functional it's actually kind of embarrassing. For Fenris, it's the infuriating fascination you have with someone who is obviously so smart but has been taught all the wrong things and why do you like him so much, when there are more agreeable people all around?

(Oh, and Zevran? He represents the guy who always likes you, always compliments you, always builds up your self esteem, but never really pushes. He's the guy who you know... if you were broken-hearted, if you needed to call someone in the middle of the night, he'd be there. And his hedonism makes you feel less bad about relying on him emotionally when you're not involved with him romantically. Yeah... that one is weird. But it's still a thing that moves me emotionally!)

For Anders and Alistair, it's that feeling of being adored, but also being needed. I won't say that Anders is my ideal relationship because ideally there wouldn't be things in the world that would make someone go through something like that. I won't say I want a broken man because that implies that I want the world to break people. But if there are people out there like that, people who are smart and beautiful but obviously need so much help... well then, I want to help them.

In my mind, Alistair is a milder, less demanding version of what Anders is. Alistair needs someone to care about him, because he's really never had that, and if you care about him, he adores you. It's simple and cute and pleasant and romantic.

Anders is the same thing, sort of... the problem is that caring about him also means caring about an entire oppressed people, and being willing to shed blood for them. I don't see Anders' demands as markedly different than Alistair's demand that you kill Loghain. (That's actually how I ended up with Zevran, the first and second times: the first time, I didn't harden Alistair and I made him king - he breaks up with you. The second time, I didn't kill Loghain.) It's just easier to kill a guy whose human side you haven't seen and who did, in all fairness, try to kill you, specifically, a bunch of times. But as someone whose first origin was Mahariel and who really freaking roleplayed the idea of having a father and sister who had been hunted their entire lives... it was easy to see the Chantry as a person who had tried to kill me specifically a bunch of times.

[Arcane_Solona]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

As is my wont, I prefer a compromise.

I felt like the DA:O elves were fine, but too understated. I liked the character of Merril fine, but I did feel the elves were overly serious in general. That was, I think, part of why my Mahariel fell so quickly for Alistair... because while I really enjoy the premise of the Dalish in Origins, I'll agree that their actual gameplay is a bit boring compared to some of the other origins.

On the other hand, the DA2 elves are too exaggerated. If you like Fenris, don't assume you like male elves: Fenris is a substantially bulked up version of the default male elf. And look at Varania and Orana... I don't think they're particularly cute at all, which, to me, indicates that it's a lot harder to make cute NPCs with the current elf model. Merrill, Fenris, and Orsino are fine, but I think I preferred the look of non-companion elves in DA:O. I think that dialing it back to something a bit more subtle, midway between the two styles, would be best.

As for Merrill, I like cute stumbly people, don't get me wrong... but it would have been interesting to see her adapt to her environment, and become a little more self-confident and secure by the end of the game, if they wanted to tie her in to her original version in DA:O. It would have made it more believable that she was the same person, and it would have made her less of a moe stereotype.

Oddly, my first Bioware romance video game love was... Kaidan, and now he barely pings my radar. Then came Garrus, who is still my favorite, then Alistair, Zevran, and finally Anders, Fenris, and Isabella.

You make a very, very good point.

[Arcane_Solona]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

It's fascinating to me how many people say Fenris is exactly the kind of guy they'd pick.

If I could pick a guy, it'd be someone like Varric or Garrus... happy, supportive, maybe has some issues and life problems, but is dealing with them. Just wants to go out and have some adventures and tell some war stories.

For me, Fenris is the archetypical "romance you don't pick, but you end up with." The frustrating, fascinating "this is not what I planned for" kind of thing.

I actually group Anders and Alistair into the same romantic "type," in that they evoke the same emotions from me... different ones than the others. For Garrus and Varric, it's sort of a "mutual appreciation society" thing, where we both love and trust each other and we're so functional it's actually kind of embarrassing. For Fenris, it's the infuriating fascination you have with someone who is obviously so smart but has been taught all the wrong things and why do you like him so much, when there are more agreeable people all around?

(Oh, and Zevran? He represents the guy who always likes you, always compliments you, always builds up your self esteem, but never really pushes. He's the guy who you know... if you were broken-hearted, if you needed to call someone in the middle of the night, he'd be there. And his hedonism makes you feel less bad about relying on him emotionally when you're not involved with him romantically. Yeah... that one is weird. But it's still a thing that moves me emotionally!)

For Anders and Alistair, it's that feeling of being adored, but also being needed. I won't say that Anders is my ideal relationship because ideally there wouldn't be things in the world that would make someone go through something like that. I won't say I want a broken man because that implies that I want the world to break people. But if there are people out there like that, people who are smart and beautiful but obviously need so much help... well then, I want to help them.

In my mind, Alistair is a milder, less demanding version of what Anders is. Alistair needs someone to care about him, because he's really never had that, and if you care about him, he adores you. It's simple and cute and pleasant and romantic.

Anders is the same thing, sort of... the problem is that caring about him also means caring about an entire oppressed people, and being willing to shed blood for them. I don't see Anders' demands as markedly different than Alistair's demand that you kill Loghain. (That's actually how I ended up with Zevran, the first and second times: the first time, I didn't harden Alistair and I made him king - he breaks up with you. The second time, I didn't kill Loghain.) It's just easier to kill a guy whose human side you haven't seen and who did, in all fairness, try to kill you, specifically, a bunch of times. But as someone whose first origin was Mahariel and who really freaking roleplayed the idea of having a father and sister who had been hunted their entire lives... it was easy to see the Chantry as a person who had tried to kill me specifically a bunch of times.

Oh, I wouldn't "pick" Fenris. I'm not one to "pick" anyone, really. I'm that kind of a person who gets swept into love; I was never one for "choosing" someone and then deciding to fall in love with them. It just happens, at the most random, unexpected and unsuitable times. 

I said "Fenris is my right cup of tea" in relation to his personality and the direction a romance with him takes. When I first met Fenris, he intrigued me, but I never felt any "romantic" feelings towards him until the end of the game, after my Hawke had gotten to know him well. So its exactly as you said: I never picked him; I just ended up with him.

I love the way you summed up how all the other NPC romances are, because you are so right. Especially with Alistair, spot on! That's exactly how it is with him: He wants to be cared for because he's never had that, so if you care for him, he adores you. That's just the kind of guy he is. Being with him in Origins (4 playthroughs and currently on my 5th now) just gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling, and I find myself grinning stupidly whenever we have one of our moments.

With Fenris, its very different. What matters to him is not really "caring" about him per se, but loyalty and trust. For him, trust seems to be paramount, as does loyalty, including in the romantic sense of the term (he instantly breaks up with you if you so much as flirt with anyone else from Act 2 onwards). Alistair tells you he isn't happy with you flirting with others and makes you choose, but Fenris doesn't even give you that choice. Its either you're with him 100% or you're not. No in-betweens. And I love that. Maybe its because that's exactly how I am personally. Well, I'd still give people a chance to choose, but no in-betweens whatsoever. You want to be with me, great, but you have to be with me and only me, no sharing. You can choose someone else over me, I won't hold it against you, but just don't play with me. And that's how I see Fenris.

Alistair and Fenris are both vert different personalities, almost polar opposite, but they are similar in certain ways and both of their romances are beautiful, passionate, deep and oh so melt-worthy:wub:

Modifié par Arcane_Solona, 09 octobre 2011 - 02:35 .

[tankgirly]

by darianaloki

This is so hot.

And...lookie, Zev was there, in the background. I can so easily replace my rogue Hawke with that one and pretend it was me

Modifié par tankgirly, 09 octobre 2011 - 03:17 .

[Arcane_Solona]

tankgirly wrote...



by darianaloki

This is so hot.

And...lookie, Zev was there, in the background. I can so easily replace my rogue Hawke with that one and pretend it was me

This has always been my favourite. 

[GhostlyMaiden]

AbsoluteApril wrote...

ready for a pic-spasm? I bought a game capture device so I could take 'screenshots' from my xbox. Here we go - I hope this works...

-snip-

Looks like SD resolution. May I recommend VirtualDub for capturing device software, or at least color correction? I used that before I finally swapped my old tv for a hd one. It's free and you can google it up easily.   


Still love this shot .

"Don't comfort me."

"I need to leave."

[tankgirly]

Found this in aimo's gallery. Hehe.

I believe all of the characters there, minus the waitress, were voiced by Mr. Emery. :happy:

Modifié par tankgirly, 09 octobre 2011 - 04:47 .

[darkrose]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

It's fascinating to me how many people say Fenris is exactly the kind of guy they'd pick.

If I could pick a guy, it'd be someone like Varric or Garrus... happy, supportive, maybe has some issues and life problems, but is dealing with them. Just wants to go out and have some adventures and tell some war stories.
 

Totally seconding this, at least about Varric, since I haven't played ME2 yet. Varric may be the only NPC in either game who isn't seriously messed up emotionally. Yes, they all have good reason to be, but I have a rule about avoiding people with more baggage than me.

Varric is funny and smart and competent and above all, sane.