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[Nilfalasiel]

Tealsie wrote...

With any other character, that seems most likely. But Merrill doesn't really mess with people like that. Other people mess with Merrill. I'd guess that, at least for the Dalish, she's telling the truth.
Maybe that's just my way of seeing her, though.

Oh, I dunno. She does have a sly streak to her...If you bring her to talk to Thrask about Feynriel in Act 1, he'll ask if the group knew Arianni from when she was with the Dalish. Merrill's answer is essentially "Dalish don't all know each other, there are a lot of clans". And she says it with a "you've-just-said-something-stupid-but-I-won't-be-too-nasty-about-it" smirk. I also got the impression that her exchange with Aveline about the Keeper telling them to stop pulling each other's hair was jokey.

And again, if she were telling the truth about feet, it's directly contradicted by the fact that there are Dalish who wear shoes, even in DA2.

Edit: *sigh* Well, I keep getting ToP in the Anders thread, it was bound to happen here sooner or later too...

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 17 octobre 2011 - 05:24 .

[Arquen]

Oh hell.. now i totally have the image of natural Fenris because his clothes are uncomfortable in my head.

Thanks guys.

I use the face fix mod, a higher hair quality mod (that effects everyone not just Fenris), and that is it. I dont mess with companions armors.. well izzy i did to change the color, but i refuse to add pants! Lmao

So, yeah.. pretty purist. Most companion mods scare me. Lol.

[Jessicles]

Ineffable Igor wrote...

But come to think of it, I sort of like the idea of Fenris walking around in no clothes at all.  They should do that.

This.

Next DLC, please.

[Friera]

I was thinking about something. Most of the characters you can kill one way or another. But you cannot kill Fenris? Only sell him back to Danarius... So there is a high probability he might return?

[Arquen]

ummm.. no.. you can kill him. A lot of people do because they have to. If you don't get his friend/rivalry high enough and don't side with the Templars he will betray you and come to kill you and force you to kill him.

It happens to a lot of people.. My poor heart.

Modifié par Arquen, 17 octobre 2011 - 06:08 .

[Tealsie]

Friera wrote...

I was thinking about something. Most of the characters you can kill one way or another. But you cannot kill Fenris? Only sell him back to Danarius... So there is a high probability he might return?

Like Arquen said, you CAN kill him. But if you happened to hand him back to Danarius(you monster) and if he shows up in another game, he'll probably be something of a mindless-drone.  

Modifié par Tealsie, 17 octobre 2011 - 06:12 .

[Friera]

But he came out of it before. He has tasted freedom. I can imagine him breaking free once more,

I did sell him once, but it was to heartbreaking that I had to reload the game and save him and "live happily ever after". And I can´t believe he said to Hawke that " I know we are not friends", when he was the one walking out on me in Act II.

Regardless of whoever your LI is, he/she stays with Hawke. So if we encounter Hawke again in another DA game, the LI should be by his side...right? *hopeful eyes*

I just get sad thinking that one day there will be no more Fenris. Its like watching the last Lord of the Rings movie.

Arquen : WHAT?! I didn´t know. What a douch! Why stick with Hawke for 7 or whatnot years just to try to KILL him.. This is + 20 rivalry for me >_>
My friend didn´t have maxed either Friendship/Rivalry and he ditched Hawke, but returned again.. Said he changed his mind...

Modifié par Friera, 17 octobre 2011 - 06:23 .

[Wulfram]

It's not a betrayal. You pick your side, he picks his. He's not exactly subtle about which side he favours, so it's not like Hawke can really be surprised.

(Though it annoys me that the friend/rival system means it usually happens because you're doing things he likes like fighting slavers, freeing slaves and opposing blood magic)

[Ramante]

Friera wrote...

But he came out of it before. He has tasted freedom. I can imagine him breaking free once more,

I'm sure Danarius will make sure Fenris won't escape again.. maybe erasing his memory every month or year.

Friera wrote...
Regardless of whoever your LI is, he/she stays with Hawke. So if we encounter Hawke again in another DA game, the LI should be by his side...right? *hopeful eyes*

Yes, ask Zevran.. he can tell you all about that.

Modifié par Ramante, 17 octobre 2011 - 06:53 .

[Friera]

Well. At least in my Origin save where I romanced Zevran - it stated that he was with the warden...for now. I just got the feeling that Zevran doesn´t love Warden the same way Fenris loves Hawke... Im still crossing my fingers for Hawke to return with his LI, regardless of whoever it is.
And do you think BW will continue to kill and and then retrieve characters again in the next DA? Considering everyone, except Varric, can die, hardly any character should be able to return. But then again, there will be a comic with Alistair, so Im guessing BW doesn´t really pay much attention to that.

[Ineffable Igor]

Jessicles wrote...

Ineffable Igor wrote...

But come to think of it, I sort of like the idea of Fenris walking around in no clothes at all.  They should do that.

This.

Next DLC, please.

Think of the profit, BioWare.  If you build it, they will come.

...

[Nilfalasiel]

Friera wrote...

Well. At least in my Origin save where I romanced Zevran - it stated that he was with the warden...for now. I just got the feeling that Zevran doesn´t love Warden the same way Fenris loves Hawke... Im still crossing my fingers for Hawke to return with his LI, regardless of whoever it is.

The problem with Zevran is not that he doesn't love the Warden; he does. If the Warden dies, it's stated that he never loves again, and he's also the one who actually asks for commitment in the relationship. Storywise, though, he's bound to have to do something about the Crows sooner or later, because they seem intent on coming back for him. Hence why he needs to go to Antiva to sort things out.

As for the "adventured together for a time" epilogue, it doesn't necessarily mean that they split up, simply that they stopped adventuring together. Presumably because of the Crow problem. And because the Warden had to take care of Warden business sooner or later (cf. Awakening). Or because, even if you're in a couple, you don't always do everything together.

Game mechanics-wise, his cameo is purely and simply bugged in DA2 X_X

[tankgirly]

Arh....Zevran bug.
I always assumed the reason he wasn't in the Chateau Hain party in MotA was because he had returned to the Warden....MINE Warden. XD

[Sealy]

Meeszy Alexy wrote...

Arquen wrote...

I am with Rei -- after drawing him and studying him I absolutely love his feet. That intricate pattern on them. The lyrium swiping behind his heel and those 3 little dots on the top. I can't imagine him WITH shoes. There are a few mods that add shoes, but I don't like mods. FENRIS PURIST right here.

I just don't like Fenris mods overall, especially the ones that change his tight armour into a black jacket or a jedi outfit or something. It just makes him look weird. I don't mind re-colouring his original armour to black, though, (I haven't downloaded that though) or the minor face fix I downloaded for him so his neck markings were a bit higher quality.

Why do I not like Fenris mods? Because he's gorgeous the way he is already. 

I dunno, DanaDuchy has her Fenris in a modded jacket thingy and he still looks rather awesome.  *drools*

tankgirly wrote...

Arh....Zevran bug.
I always assumed the reason he wasn't in the Chateau Hain party in MotA was because he had returned to the Warden....MINE Warden. XD

Excuse me? Oh no he definitely went home to MY warden. They have a love that has never been loved before, for sure. My sincere apologies to your warden (Tabris: Like hell, she's trying to steal my Zevran!) Hush now!... for the inconvenience.

Modifié par Fleshdress, 17 octobre 2011 - 08:50 .

[darkrose]

Ineffable Igor wrote...

Meeszy Alexy wrote...

I just don't like Fenris mods overall, especially the ones that change his tight armour into a black jacket or a jedi outfit or something. It just makes him look weird. I don't mind re-colouring his original armour to black, though, (I haven't downloaded that though) or the minor face fix I downloaded for him so his neck markings were a bit higher quality.

Why do I not like Fenris mods? Because he's gorgeous the way he is already. 

Oh, God, the jacket mod.  *Shudders*  And people complain that Fenris looks like he stumbled out of a JRPG to begin with. 

When we got the first art, I said that Fenris looked like Cloud and Sephiroth's love child.

But...I really like the long coat. I don't know why. Especially the black coat/red feather variation, because it's a subtle way for him to match Hawke in his modded armor.

[Ineffable Igor]

darkrose wrote...

When we got the first art, I said that Fenris looked like Cloud and Sephiroth's love child.

But...I really like the long coat. I don't know why. Especially the black coat/red feather variation, because it's a subtle way for him to match Hawke in his modded armor.

Fenris's hair isn't near spikey or lusterous enough for him to have them for parents. 

I don't know, to me Fenris just looks weird out of anything not his usual outfit.  The jacket also puts me in mind of Devil May Cry, which is fine, but I like to keep my games separate.  It seems out of place to me, pretty much all mods do though.  Anything that seems foreign to the setting sort of bugs me.

[Nilfalasiel]

Ineffable Igor wrote...

darkrose wrote...

When we got the first art, I said that Fenris looked like Cloud and Sephiroth's love child.

But...I really like the long coat. I don't know why. Especially the black coat/red feather variation, because it's a subtle way for him to match Hawke in his modded armor.

Fenris's hair isn't near spikey or lusterous enough for him to have them for parents. 

Not long enough either. He does have the broody down pat though.

Still, he does stand out as the only person his age with white hair in the game. Is it because of the lyrium? Or because of the trauma the ritual caused?

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 17 octobre 2011 - 10:43 .

[tankgirly]

Fleshdress wrote...

tankgirly wrote...

Arh....Zevran bug.
I always assumed the reason he wasn't in the Chateau Hain party in MotA was because he had returned to the Warden....MINE Warden. XD

Excuse me? Oh no he definitely went home to MY warden. They have a love that has never been loved before, for sure. My sincere apologies to your warden (Tabris: Like hell, she's trying to steal my Zevran!) Hush now!... for the inconvenience.

Ahhahaha.






by marinelli
like this one?

...oops. We are way offtopic now.

[Arquen]

I have to agree with Igor here. I don't really care if people use mods, but when it comes down to it I absolutely love Fenris's default armor. The spiky -- the brown leather that catches the light. The chest plate. Even the little intricate latches and embroidery on his undershirt and how it opens slightly in the back. I just don't see modding it for any reason. Even the color. *shrugs* just me though, I know. A lot of people mod him, but I like his armor the way it is.

As for the Danarius thing -- if you sell him back I doubt he would have a chance to escape again. He is memory-wiped again by Danarius (as stated in the letter), and the only reason he was able to escape in the first place was by luck and happenstance. The fog warrior incident will in all likelihood not present itself again. Fenris never dreamed of freedom until the fog warriors, and so I doubt Danarius will put him in that kind of potential situation again. He pretty much dies -- fate worse than death actually -- if you sell him back. Much like Isabela if you throw her to the Arishok -- fate worse than death. Uhh my heart...

As for the "picks side" -- it's still a betrayal. A betrayal of Hawke's friendship and loyalty, but also a betrayal on Hawke's part for not convincing Fenris that there is reason to fight by their side to defend mages. He doesn't do it for the mages, but he will do it for Hawke. You just have to get his friendship/rivalry to that point where he feels Hawke is completely trustworthy and knows what he/she is doing. Or at least needs him around to make sure they don't die.

If you get stuck in the neutral zone with Fenris he basically falls back on survival instincts and when the whole thing goes down he will NOT believe that total mage freedom is a good thing. He isn't exactly a Templar or Meredith lover, but he "opposes what these mages hope to become." That being -- free to rule themselves and do whatever they want.

Personally, I am of the opinion that if you didn't convince him then it's your fault he betrays you. You let him down moreso than he lets you down. However, that is just me. I tend to empathize more with Fenris. I also don't understand getting stuck in neutral zone -- I mean, I do in principle, but it's so easy to max rival/friend him I just don't get it. You can even convince him to side with you. The game gives you plenty of chances NOT to have him betray you. Still.. it happens more than I thought.

[AbsoluteApril]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Still, he does stand out as the only person his age with white hair in the game. Is it because of the lyrium? Or because of the trauma the ritual caused?

I was admiring this fanart the other day:
maoileoin.deviantart.com/#/d4cuiuv

which mentioned the hair changed to white due to the ritual (first time I had heard that, but apparently it's been a theory before)... so the question becomes, what color was Leto's hair?
discuss.


oh and edit to add - on 2nd PT with friendmance Anders I basically ignored Fenris so I, oops I mean Hawke wouldn't fall for him again which meant he was in the neutral zone. As soon as I saw him approach with the templars my heart dropped and I knew what was coming, that was no fun

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 17 octobre 2011 - 11:01 .

[Arcane_Solona]

Fenris in the black coat makes me shudder. I really, really do not like that look on him. I mean, Dante is hot and all, but like Ineffable Igor said, I like to keep my games separate. Plus, it seems like a crime to cover up such a sexy body with that coat! I love looking at his arms, his wide chest, his lean, muscular legs... *drooolssss*
I think his bare feet are beautiful, I have nothing wrong with looking at them. Its just, I'm a very "realistic" and practical person, so it just doesn't seem practical for someone to just be bare foot all the time, especially someone who travels and runs and fights and adventures as much as Fenris (and Merrill, for that matter) do. 
But his toes are the most adorable! 
About Zevran falling in love with the Warden and never loving anyone else again, my heart melted when I read that! I had no idea! I never romanced him; Alistair is just impossible to resist, but now I'm actually tempted to romance Zev instead!  I love it when the person who falls in love with you is someone who has never fallen in love before and doesn't seem the type to fall in love, only to have you change everything they thought they knew about themselves and before they know it, they find themselves doing what they thought was impossible: falling truly and deeply in love with you. That's what really draws me to Fenris; the knowledge that this falling in love and trusting and friendship business is something he thought he'd never experience, something he shunned, in fact, only to find himself completely in love with Hawke and willing to do anything for him/her, even if that entails fighting to protect mages in the end. Like he says in Act II "I never thought I needed anyone, or wanted anyone... until now" *smoulders with those impossibly sexy eyes of his*
MELT!:wub:

[Arcane_Solona]

Leto's hair was black, wasn't it? I mean, his eyebrows are this incredible ebony black shade, so I figured his hair would match. Oh, he would be so HOT with that jet black hair and bright green eyes contrast. Maker's breath...

[AbsoluteApril]

Arcane_Solona wrote...

Leto's hair was black, wasn't it? I mean, his eyebrows are this incredible ebony black shade, so I figured his hair would match. Oh, he would be so HOT with that jet black hair and bright green eyes contrast. Maker's breath...

oh I agree - black hair + green eyes - SWOON

however, I have black eyebrows but light brown hair (born with light blonde hair which got darker "dirty" as I aged) so he could have been a firey red head or *gasp* blonde?!

[Arquen]

Someone actually asked David Gaider about the hair-color. He gave a very nonspecific answer about how he hadn't really thought about it before. Saying he's known a few people who have had white hair and dark eyebrows naturally.

Personally, I believe the white of his hair matches the white of his markings a little too much to be coincidence. Hair color is based off of melanin and I would assume that the ritual and the infusing of the lyrium more than likely damaged or killed off all the melanin in his hair follicles. Turning it white (or no color at all, actually). I'm inclined to think it was a mixture of the trauma and the lyrium itself. As I've stated before -- the lyrium was the most potent and poisonous form. It no doubt would have caused damage. I don't think it was just stress, but actual physical damage to the follicles by the lyrium infusion process.

All theory of course, but DG left it up in the air, and I'm more inclined to think he wasn't born that way naturally.

His natural hair was black, like his eyebrows. Going from black to solid white is the most melanin damage and indicates the most trauma. Since the more melanin a person has in their follicles the darker the hair.

theorycrafting with SCIENCE! No, I haven't thought about this way too much or anything >.<

[Arcane_Solona]

Plus, his skin is pretty tanned, so I don't think he was a natural red-head like his sister (she's as white as snow) because red heads are always the most light-skinned. Well, at least the majority of them are. I also don't think he was blonde, again because of the dark colour of his skin. Black seems to make the most sense because of 1) his eyebrows and 2) his skin tone.