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[Dr. Doctor]

I personally, am not a big fan of traditional, Tolkien-style elves. What Dragon Age IMO does well is that it "humanizes" elves as a whole, they're not the usual wise, ageless, all-knowing beings that their usually shown as in traditional fantasy. DA elves have their own traditions and culture, but they also live like the common man on the street (city elves) while the Dalish are awesome rangers and woodsmen.



For me this difference in the elven background combined with excellent characterization (Zevran was written quite well) is what makes elves compelling to people in this game.



(on LOTR)

I liked Bloom's Legolas, the interaction between him and Gimili was really well done, the issue I had with him though is that there wasn't much dialogue with him aside from the occasional banter.

[Madame Rose Crimsynn]

surfgirlusa_2006 wrote...

solstickan wrote...

Madame Rose Crimsynn wrote...

Heretical wrote...

And I think Orlando Bloom was declared representative of all Tolkien elves.

Why couldn't it have been someone better? Why?!

I don't understand why there is so much hate against Bloom. I think he did a lovely job at portraying Legolas. He and Gimli were heartwarmingly cute together. It was great to have this wise elf, blind to all the (physical) hardships his companions were going through, to stand out amidst the group. I can't remember if he was like that in the books, but in any case I love him in the movies. 

He was decent as Legolas, but I never found him as appealing as say, Viggo Mortensen.

*ahem*

So, back to Fenris...think we'll get any new info about him Thursday? 

Thursday is New Years Eve, right?


See, I have to go to a party. I'm depressed about this. I won't be home. I will miss new information if it's given and so I can not celebrate with the group or cry in anguish with them.

But I am *actually* getting sick. If I get too bad, I won't be able to go.

[SgtElias]

surfgirlusa_2006 wrote...

He was decent as Legolas, but I never found him as appealing as say, Viggo Mortensen.

*ahem*

So, back to Fenris...think we'll get any new info about him Thursday? 

We can hope.

Did anyone else here follow the first game as it came out? I didn't know anything about it until I started playing it the day after Christmas or so, so I never was part of the lead-up like I am for this one.

Did they release companion videos for the first one? I know they did for Awakening, but I don't know if that's normal or not.

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I liked Bloom's Legolas, the
interaction between him and Gimili was really well done, the issue I had
with him though is that there wasn't much dialogue with him aside from
the occasional banter.

To be fair, Legolas is (arguably) the fellowship member with the least actual characterization. I think I read in an interview once that Tolkien said that of all the members, he was the least integral, because of everyone, he grew the least, learned the least from their travles. Of course, I read that (literally) about ten years ago so it's possible that wasn't Tolkien at all, and I'm making things up.

Modifié par SgtElias, 30 décembre 2010 - 02:54 .

[solstickan]

Madame Rose Crimsynn wrote...

solstickan wrote...

Madame Rose Crimsynn wrote...

Heretical wrote...

And I think Orlando Bloom was declared representative of all Tolkien elves.

Why couldn't it have been someone better? Why?!

I don't understand why there is so much hate against Bloom. I think he did a lovely job at portraying Legolas. He and Gimli were heartwarmingly cute together. It was great to have this wise elf, blind to all the (physical) hardships his companions were going through, to stand out amidst the group. I can't remember if he was like that in the books, but in any case I love him in the movies. 

See, I don't think his performance was bad. It's just all of the fangirls because of the actor who portrayed him. I don't mind the fans that liked the character because they thought character was awesome, but the fangirls of Legolas because of the actor were those that need to go-- as Shale would put it-- "Squish!"

So you're saying you disliked him in the movie because of some crazy fangirls? That sounds... like a valid reason...  No, I guess I see what you meant back there... But let's not go any more off topic, shall we? It's time for me to go to bed (before the sun rises...) and hope there will be some news tomorrow. 

[surfgirlusa_2006]

Madame Rose Crimsynn wrote...

surfgirlusa_2006 wrote...

solstickan wrote...

Madame Rose Crimsynn wrote...

Heretical wrote...

And I think Orlando Bloom was declared representative of all Tolkien elves.

Why couldn't it have been someone better? Why?!

I don't understand why there is so much hate against Bloom. I think he did a lovely job at portraying Legolas. He and Gimli were heartwarmingly cute together. It was great to have this wise elf, blind to all the (physical) hardships his companions were going through, to stand out amidst the group. I can't remember if he was like that in the books, but in any case I love him in the movies. 

He was decent as Legolas, but I never found him as appealing as say, Viggo Mortensen.

*ahem*

So, back to Fenris...think we'll get any new info about him Thursday? 

Thursday is New Years Eve, right?


See, I have to go to a party. I'm depressed about this. I won't be home. I will miss new information if it's given and so I can not celebrate with the group or cry in anguish with them.

But I am *actually* getting sick. If I get too bad, I won't be able to go.

Friday is New Year's Eve.

[Madame Rose Crimsynn]

surfgirlusa_2006 wrote...

Madame Rose Crimsynn wrote...

surfgirlusa_2006 wrote...

solstickan wrote...

Madame Rose Crimsynn wrote...

Heretical wrote...

And I think Orlando Bloom was declared representative of all Tolkien elves.

Why couldn't it have been someone better? Why?!

I don't understand why there is so much hate against Bloom. I think he did a lovely job at portraying Legolas. He and Gimli were heartwarmingly cute together. It was great to have this wise elf, blind to all the (physical) hardships his companions were going through, to stand out amidst the group. I can't remember if he was like that in the books, but in any case I love him in the movies. 

He was decent as Legolas, but I never found him as appealing as say, Viggo Mortensen.

*ahem*

So, back to Fenris...think we'll get any new info about him Thursday? 

Thursday is New Years Eve, right?


See, I have to go to a party. I'm depressed about this. I won't be home. I will miss new information if it's given and so I can not celebrate with the group or cry in anguish with them.

But I am *actually* getting sick. If I get too bad, I won't be able to go.

Friday is New Year's Eve.

Sweet freedom!
Sorry, I probably sound stupid, but I'm horrible with dates and days of the week.

[surfgirlusa_2006]

No problem.  I just remember because I have that day off from work

I do have friends coming over Thursday night to exchange Christmas presents, since we didn't get to it before the holiday.  As soon  they leave, I'm going to check for DA2 related updates

[Dr. Doctor]

I'm thinking that new info is going to be released next month, with the majority of the big news being shown around the time GDC 2011 rolls around and the game goes gold. Either that or perhaps the Most Beneficent Ser Gaider will bestow us with more information.

[Tamyn]

Maria Caliban wrote...

bsbcaer wrote...

Not hating, but a serious question. I've been wondering this since ElfQuest back in the day, but what is the attractiveness (not just in DA, but in other fantasy realms) about elves? I just never saw the attractiveness of elves, but would he be getting the same amount of love if he were human or dwarf? 

Elves in general? They're appealing if you like slender or nimble builds, and many people do. They also tend to have angular and more refined features.

Elves also have a range of associations that many find attractive: sensitivity to the natural world, a touch of otherworldliness, freedom from the more industrial attitudes of dwarfs and humans, a preference for settling and maintaining an area and its resources instead of constantly conquering and plundering  

This is basically what I was going to say. Also having pointed ears and generally up-tilted eyes are reminiscent of a wolf or cat, animals I consider beautiful and powerful. Elves are also usually superior to humans in many ways.

Modifié par Tamyn, 30 décembre 2010 - 03:54 .

[GodWood]

And here was me thinking it was just the slender build and hairless thing.

[Margaret_TheElf]

Tamyn wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

bsbcaer wrote...

Not hating, but a serious question. I've been wondering this since ElfQuest back in the day, but what is the attractiveness (not just in DA, but in other fantasy realms) about elves? I just never saw the attractiveness of elves, but would he be getting the same amount of love if he were human or dwarf? 

Elves in general? They're appealing if you like slender or nimble builds, and many people do. They also tend to have angular and more refined features.

Elves also have a range of associations that many find attractive: sensitivity to the natural world, a touch of otherworldliness, freedom from the more industrial attitudes of dwarfs and humans, a preference for settling and maintaining an area and its resources instead of constantly conquering and plundering  

This is basically what I was going to say. Also having pointed ears and generally up-tilted eyes are reminiscent of a wolf or cat, animals I consider beautiful and powerful. Elves are also usually superior to humans in many ways.

One: they don't seem to have a difficult time keeping their figure. If you have seen a fat elf: please! Let me know.

[Away]

Ye gads, this is a fast thread, good thing I have a lot of free time eh? At any rate, I would just like to note that as far VAs and strange accents go, Icelandic would be awesome, and even though British is not strange I finally saw Inception and am vehemently opposed to Tom Hardy as a VA because that means I don't get to stare at him.



(and on LotR)



Legolas was pretty much a blank slate so Bloom really didn't have anything to mess up. Really the only elves with characterization were Galadriel and Elrond, and that's actually carry-over from the Silmarillion, where there are elves with even more perosonality ( I totally spent an outrageous amount of money on the Sil. one year so I could get the version with the giant detachable map and pictures, and I regret nothing).



In fact, is there was any interpretation I didn't like in the movies it was Elrond, he was less "worried for the fate of mankind and his adopted son as well as his daughter" and more "keep the filthy humans off the carpet".

[Maria Caliban]

Margaret_TheElf wrote...

If you have seen a fat elf: please! Let me know.

*raises hand*

[Tamyn]

Madame Rose Crimsynn wrote...

surfgirlusa_2006 wrote...

Madame Rose Crimsynn wrote...

See, I have to go to a party. I'm depressed about this. I won't be home. I will miss new information if it's given and so I can not celebrate with the group or cry in anguish with them.

Friday is New Year's Eve.

Sweet freedom!
Sorry, I probably sound stupid, but I'm horrible with dates and days of the week.

Haha. I almost went to a party tonight that wasn't happening until tomorrow.

Maria Caliban wrote...

Margaret_TheElf wrote...

If you have seen a fat elf: please! Let me know.

*raises hand*

Santa Claus?

Modifié par Tamyn, 30 décembre 2010 - 04:02 .

[Winter Wraith]

Margaret_TheElf wrote...
If you have seen a fat elf: please! Let me know.

[Heretical]

Elves superiority is debatable, considering they are fewer, physically weaker, and somewhat subjugated by humans in many fantasy worlds.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

bsbcaer wrote...

Not hating, but a serious question. I've been wondering this since ElfQuest back in the day, but what is the attractiveness (not just in DA, but in other fantasy realms) about elves? I just never saw the attractiveness of elves, but would he be getting the same amount of love if he were human or dwarf? 

I like elves because I can draw them and not be harped at for making "too pretty" a male. Cuz they're pretty! And the DA elves are about the size of female humans! Which in my book is fantastic. And I don't like beards, but I do like nice hair.

Though I strongly dislike Orlando Bloom...

*shallow*

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 30 décembre 2010 - 04:28 .

[Margaret_TheElf]

Tamyn wrote...

Madame Rose Crimsynn wrote...

surfgirlusa_2006 wrote...

Madame Rose Crimsynn wrote...

See, I have to go to a party. I'm depressed about this. I won't be home. I will miss new information if it's given and so I can not celebrate with the group or cry in anguish with them.

Friday is New Year's Eve.

Sweet freedom!
Sorry, I probably sound stupid, but I'm horrible with dates and days of the week.

Haha. I almost went to a party tonight that wasn't happening until tomorrow.

Maria Caliban wrote...

Margaret_TheElf wrote...

If you have seen a fat elf: please! Let me know.

*raises hand*

Santa Claus?

:oD'oh
@Winter Wraith: good example.

I wasn't exactly talking Christmas elves here, but okay...

[HolyJellyfish]

I've never been a fan of elves, but I'm a biiig fan of DA elves. The whole political history between Elves & Humans, particularly Arlathan vs Tevinter fascinates me.



Preference for DA elves if only because they lack the overseeing wisdom that Tolkien elves seem to have, clinging onto history, culture, and background that is quickly disappearing. It reminds me of many real-life cultures who are threatened by modernity, though simplified to meet game plot.

[SirOccam]

I've always been a fan of Elves, Tolkien and DA included. I don't know what it is, but I think it has something to do with the fact that they're similar enough to humans to be relatable, yet different enough to be exotic and interesting.

If I have the option, it's always what I will choose to play as, at least my first time around. And if I can't play as one, then in the case of DA2, it's what I will choose to romance if given the option. My first female character will be all over Fenris for sure if it's a possibility, and that's why I am one of those who really wants a female elf LI. It's not that being an elf is the only thing that's important or the only thing I care about, but I just take it for granted they're going to be interesting characters regardless of race; I'd just like for the race to be Elf for one of them.

[Sigil_Beguiler123]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I've never been a fan of elves, but I'm a biiig fan of DA elves. The whole political history between Elves & Humans, particularly Arlathan vs Tevinter fascinates me.

Preference for DA elves if only because they lack the overseeing wisdom that Tolkien elves seem to have, clinging onto history, culture, and background that is quickly disappearing. It reminds me of many real-life cultures who are threatened by modernity, though simplified to meet game plot.

Yeah similar for me. It is much less to do with them being elves and more the culture, history, circumstances, etc. that they have in DA. It could be any other type of race and I be feeling the same as I do about elves in DA.

[HolyJellyfish]

SirOccam wrote...

I've always been a fan of Elves, Tolkien and DA included. I don't know what it is, but I think it has something to do with the fact that they're similar enough to humans to be relatable, yet different enough to be exotic and interesting.

If I have the option, it's always what I will choose to play as, at least my first time around. And if I can't play as one, then in the case of DA2, it's what I will choose to romance if given the option. My first female character will be all over Fenris for sure if it's a possibility, and that's why I am one of those who really wants a female elf LI. It's not that being an elf is the only thing that's important or the only thing I care about, but I just take it for granted they're going to be interesting characters regardless of race; I'd just like for the race to be Elf for one of them.

I'd be more than happy if there was a non-human female character, LI or otherwise.

But if Fenris is BI, everyone will be happy. With enougn mods, he can be anyone's blond haired green eyed curvacious former-slave elf. Provided you turn off his vocals and fantasize.

... maybe not...

[HolyJellyfish]

Sigil_Beguiler123 wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I've never been a fan of elves, but I'm a biiig fan of DA elves. The whole political history between Elves & Humans, particularly Arlathan vs Tevinter fascinates me.

Preference for DA elves if only because they lack the overseeing wisdom that Tolkien elves seem to have, clinging onto history, culture, and background that is quickly disappearing. It reminds me of many real-life cultures who are threatened by modernity, though simplified to meet game plot.

Yeah similar for me. It is much less to do with them being elves and more the culture, history, circumstances, etc. that they have in DA. It could be any other type of race and I be feeling the same as I do about elves in DA.

Totally. In Tolkien, its all like...

Tolkien Elf: I am all knowing, all living, all seeing. Here is some wisdom *zap* Wisdom! Now I shall gaze wisely into the distance. *Wise gaze*

vs...

DA Dalish Elf: We used to be all knowing, all living, all seeing and **** happened. Now I'm just angry. ANGRY *zap* Angry... *random elf language*. Still angry.

DA City Elf: Dude. I just want to live..... and drink my savings away.

[Heretical]

I like the way they are presented in fantasy such as DA and The Witcher. Being stubborn traditionalists with just as many flaws as the humans who are destroying them. Racism exists on both sides, and the classic progress issue usually comes up.

[Minxie]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

Sigil_Beguiler123 wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I've never been a fan of elves, but I'm a biiig fan of DA elves. The whole political history between Elves & Humans, particularly Arlathan vs Tevinter fascinates me.

Preference for DA elves if only because they lack the overseeing wisdom that Tolkien elves seem to have, clinging onto history, culture, and background that is quickly disappearing. It reminds me of many real-life cultures who are threatened by modernity, though simplified to meet game plot.

Yeah similar for me. It is much less to do with them being elves and more the culture, history, circumstances, etc. that they have in DA. It could be any other type of race and I be feeling the same as I do about elves in DA.

Totally. In Tolkien, its all like...

Tolkien Elf: I am all knowing, all living, all seeing. Here is some wisdom *zap* Wisdom! Now I shall gaze wisely into the distance. *Wise gaze*

vs...

DA Dalish Elf: We used to be all knowing, all living, all seeing and **** happened. Now I'm just angry. ANGRY *zap* Angry... *random elf language*. Still angry.

DA City Elf: Dude. I just want to live..... and drink my savings away.

Usually I'm all about the elves in fantasy settings, but in DA I find myself preferring humans for once. That is, I only really enjoyed playing as a human, whereas in other games I've always been an elf or at least a half-elf.
I love the Tolkien elves because they were so untouchable and majestic.. but yes there were times where I felt they were too distant and lofty. In DA I think what bothers me is how elves have been taken down to such a low level compared to portrayals in other games/books.
I think the elves of the Forgotten Realms strike the perfect balance between mythical/majestic and grounded/relatable, so they're still my favorite elves.

Fenris gives me Forgotten Realms-y vibes, so maybe that's part of the reason I like him.