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[Tashash]

@Tanky - Perhaps the pervyness of *Ahem* unknown people caused him to take it down?  Oops....

Edit: Oh, ToP....Erm....

 

Modifié par Tashash, 24 octobre 2011 - 03:17 .

[Sealy]

Tashash wrote...

@Tanky - Perhaps the pervyness of *Ahem* unknown people caused him to take it down?  Oops....

Thats just so sad it makes me want to cry. Ah well, the picture can live on forever, in here. Maybe he'll never know we have it.

[UrsulaCousland]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Arquen wrote...

You can still have a strong emotional relationship and attachment with a friend or comrade or rival and NOT be in a relationship with them. The relationship just adds the other side to it, and so I can see Hawke being satisfied with friendship and no relationship and not wanting to move on. Not specifically because of Fenris, but because there is a lot going on in Hawke's life at the moment, and love and relationships and moving on to someone else is the furthest thing from their mind when Kirkwall is going to hell in a handbasket.

Basically what Arquen said, with the addition that it might be harder for Hawke if it weren't so obvious that Fenris cares, but it's quite plain that he does.  Comforting Hawke after All That Remains and wearing Hawke's tokens are ways for Hawke to realize that his/her affection is returned.  In addition, throughout that three year gap, they more than likely have the reading lessons to keep them connected; a private time for just them, with an activity that's special to them.  And sure, it might be difficult to cope with the physical desire aspect (something some Hawke likely have more troubles with than others), but knowing the affection is there and maintaining that special contact of the lessons could make the relationship something satisfying emotionally in the meantime even without physically expressing it.  Certainly some people couldn't be content with that, but I don't believe romantic love must include sex to continue to be love.  All it really needs is reciprocation of emotion and taking special time for each other.  

In fact, one could argue that they really build their love through that time period because their lessons together could help Hawke deal with his/her losses and give him/her a refuge from his/her new fame, and that at the start, they're not necessarily passionately in love, but by the time the gap ends, they've built the foundation of that love into something grand.

The sad part being that that would be fantastic to see onscreen, and not in a timeskip.  Sigh.  

Thanks for saving me a wall of text, you two. Now, I'll write one anyway.  Gimme a sec. Got a better idea.

I've said this a couple of times before but for anyone new to the discussion, I am in a wonderful relationship that was my closest friendship for about 2.5 years before anything more than that was acknowledged. ith that said, I can understand very well how it would be possible to take a 'break' while remaining close, even if that lasted multiple years. There are more ways to care than purely physical.

Here's my head!canon interpretation of how the 3-year gap starts. I spent a long time thinking about it last time the topic came up, and this just begged to be written. (It's not on FF because I'm nowhere near posting any act II stuff yet. )  

Moving on to the genuine evolution of the relationship discussion... (Uh oh, maybe it's Wall-o-text time anyway!)

To me, there are two current Bioware relationships that really evolve over time and show how a friendship becomes something more. (Note: I have not romanced Zev, much to my chagrin, but it's why this is the only time I'll mention him in this post. )

Obviously, one is the Fenmance, particularly the Friendmance. You can see so much going on in the rest of the conversations (besides the flirting, even if some of them are wince-worthy).  It's really interesting to watch Fenris get to trust anybody - this is so beyond his experience that it scares him to death. I can see why, given his background! Anyone else he's ever known has either been in a position to abuse power over him or sell him out for personal gain. Anyone (read: friendmancing Hawkes, and probably rivalmancing ones too) who takes the time to really get to know him can figure this out, and just how hard it is for him to take the emotional risk and try to move beyond that. (It takes a pretty good amount of liquid courage the first time he really gets candid about some of it, in fact.) 

The other one (surprise, surprise - points at sig) is the Garrus romance in ME2. Without turning this into yet another Garrus thread (there already are at least two ) , I actually think this romance evolution flows even better than the Fenris romance (all calibrations jokes aside) because of the pacing of ME2.  When FEm!Shep and Garrus meet back up in ME2, the relationship immediately evolves quite a bit when they catch up on the last 2 years. Garrus and Shep are on different terms, more as equals than mentor-student. There's a lot of mutual respect, trust, and friendship there to begin with (and nothing physical that I can tell, actually, at least at first), and you can see how it evolves along those lines. It doesn't hurt that Brandon Keener is a wonderful VA too, and that the Garrus romance has a lot of adorable-awkward humor mixed with disarmingly honest (tear-inducing, but in a good way) sincerity. 

*must not get distracted by my early-stage GarrusxFem!Shep fic yet mantra-chanting here* 

Modifié par UrsulaCousland, 24 octobre 2011 - 04:32 .

[SurrealSadi]

Tashash wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...

The tattoo is not real and yes, he is that fit, as evidenced by this lovely pic from Mr. Emery's facebook page.

*Stares, chokes on her lunch, dies*

Holy freakin' Mabari!!!! Mercy! Sweet bloody Andraste!!!

WOW...........Is it bad that I want to paint Fenris' markings on him? I get the feeling that character and VA share a similar physique.

Phew *fans self* He is hot...Like 'A Rage demon can't compete' hot. Ok, I'l stop now

I have the distinct feeling that a minute after this was taken, he opened his eyes, looked at the photographer and said, "Really?"

[tankgirly]

SurrealSadi wrote...

Tashash wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...

The tattoo is not real and yes, he is that fit, as evidenced by this lovely pic from Mr. Emery's facebook page.

*Stares, chokes on her lunch, dies*

Holy freakin' Mabari!!!! Mercy! Sweet bloody Andraste!!!

WOW...........Is it bad that I want to paint Fenris' markings on him? I get the feeling that character and VA share a similar physique.

Phew *fans self* He is hot...Like 'A Rage demon can't compete' hot. Ok, I'l stop now

I have the distinct feeling that a minute after this was taken, he opened his eyes, looked at the photographer and said, "Really?"

It took me a while, but I found the picture and pressed the 'like' button.

I am mad. Maker's breath, I am totally mad.

[SurrealSadi]

*grin* took me... a couple of minutes Something told me to check the South Africa folder, and there it was.

[tankgirly]

SurrealSadi wrote...

*grin* took me... a couple of minutes Something told me to check the South Africa folder, and there it was.

I went to search his twitter account first and went banana when I couldn't find it.

Well, I am glad I managed to locate it at the end.




by whipyohair....forgot what her BSN nickname was...

Oh, and this is pure fun:



by syan

Modifié par tankgirly, 24 octobre 2011 - 09:16 .

[ladyshamen]

I can't get a pic on this thing with out messing up! I just added a shot of my elf Hawke and Fenris. Thought I'd try it out. Gack! Sorry to take up space. I love this place :happy:

Modifié par ladyshamen, 24 octobre 2011 - 02:09 .

[Ramante]

ladyshamen wrote...

I can't get a pic on this thing with out messing up! I just added a shot of my elf Hawke and Fenris. Thought I'd try it out. Gack! Sorry to take up space. I love this place :happy:

It's not that hard.

[ img]link to your image[/ img]
(without the spaces)

So this;

[ img]http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/295/5/c/com__ashlynn_hawke_and_fenris_by_galagraphia-d4dlq38.jpg[/ img]

Becomes:

by Galagraphia

Modifié par Ramante, 24 octobre 2011 - 02:18 .

[Annarl]

ejoslin wrote...

darkrose wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...

darkrose wrote...

What if you go to the Rose? Because really, three years is a long time.

As others have said, the Rose doesn't count - no one there messes with romance flags, so there's no risk.  


As a side note, and not really directed at you since I know you didn't say this, but on an extreme of the same topic, I'm always a little  whenever I see someone complaining that the three year gap is completely unrealistic because no one is that patient/can go without sex that long.  It's not really that unlikely.   

Three years may be a long time without sex to some people, but to others, not so much.   Some Hawkes probably need the Rose outlet in that time, others may be content with their hands and/or a phallic tuber.  It really depends on the person.  Three of my Hawkes visited the Rose during the gap, with varying frequencies of visits; a couple more didn't at all.

Honestly, my Hawke doesn't visit the Rose, because he feels weird about it. The only time he actually sleeps with anyone there is Jethann, and that's more to yank Carver's chain than anything. 

Three years is a long time to be constantly in the company of the guy you're madly in love with, knowing you can't touch him, but the Rose won't fix that. I suspect my Hawke spent a lot of nights crying on Isabela's shoulder.

Honestly, three years is a long time to remain in love with someone after they break up with you.  That to me is the bothersome thing about the time gap there.  I totally get where Fenris is coming from and why he left.  I even can get three years without sex.  But three years being in love with someone after they break up with you and not moving on as Hawke does just strikes me as creepy.  Then again, since it's a story, and I really do like the love story there, as long as I don't think too hard about it it doesn't bother me.

The thing that bothers me about the three years is, there is no dialogue that really deals with the issues. (if you can understand what I mean)  One flirt line and it's okay.  I understand Fenris needing time and I understand Hawke giving Fenris that time.  I just don't like how its handled in the game or should that be not handled.  But it is only a game and as you say just don't think too hard about it. 

[Arquen]

LOL those pics are perfect Tank!

@Ursula -- I remember that prompt you did a while back. The way I see it is rather similar except I don't think Gwenya could ever leave Kirkwall. She would be afraid that things would 1.) fall apart and get worse and 2.) she would loose the people that had come to be her family because she would be abandoning them.

Still, I find the idea that Hawke actually leaves and takes care of her/his own problems quite satisfying. There really isn't a time in game where you get to see Hawke deal with their own issues. You get a tiny cutscene and a couple of banters about your mother. A pathetic amount of banter about your sibling, and no actual indication from any of the dialogues that Hawke is suffering or going through personal drama at all.

My 3 year gap starts with mother's death, and then the Arishok battle (in which it pretty much is canon that Hawke gets beat up pretty bad, LOL). There are a couple of things that we know happen in this 3 year gap.

1.) The mage underground is pretty much crushed.

2.) Meredith is putting the squeeze on the mages now that there is no viscount, and the Templars are becoming more bold with more acts of aggression toward the general populace.

3.) Isabela is gone -- either left Kirkwall with the relic or is seriously avoiding you for the 3 year gap. You don't really see her around at all, and you remark on this with her first convo in Act 3. She is very torn up about what happened with her and the relic. Calling herself a "lying, thieving, snake.." who has "nothing in common" with the champion. She undoubtedly left Kirkwall for a time, or is just being deliberately sneaky and avoiding any place the Champion might be.

4.) Fenris is trying to locate his sister, and is also taking jobs as a mercenary for coin. Mostly to get his sister. How he accomplishes the letters without Hawke's knowledge is anyone's guess. Personally, I think he would find someone to write it for him under Hawke's nose. Plus he would be very into his study of learning to read/write because he might want to try to send her something himself.

5.) Varric is holding it all together, but in the meantime is trying to pick up after Bartrand's mess.

6.) Merrill continues to be obsessed with her mirror and basically doesn't leave her alienage house much during this time. and finally

7.) Anders continues to be at his clinic, but is seriously becoming that dangerous reclusive type, and with the mage underground being crushed and the whole thing with Ella he is pretty much just obsessed with his manifestos and solitude.

8.) You also have Aveline who in the 3 years gets married to Donnic and is picking up the mess the Viscount left while trying to keep her guards and such in line.

Basically, during that 3 year gap there is a lot of interactions and actual friendship/relationship building that can happen. The constants are the reading lessons with Fenris, and the card games at the Hanged Man (courtesy of Varric) I would assume, LOL. He is pretty much the glue that holds the team together. Though Isabela and Anders would more than likely not be a part of that. I think Hawke would take advantage -- at least to try to cling to some "normalcy" in their lives.

There is so much going on in that 3 year gap that I find it hard to imagine that Hawke would actually leave Kirkwall. I just wish we got more insight into the interactions and such. Moreso than a simple codex entry or a snippet of dialogue that says "man, haven't seen you around in a while!"

Modifié par Arquen, 24 octobre 2011 - 02:57 .

[UrsulaCousland]

 Phone posting so please bear with me.  

@Arquen - I think where Gwenya and Aniya may differ is that Aniya loses her way after the duel with the Arishok. Yes, she's a hero, but she doesn't 'get' that it means anything other than she's Meredith's pet hero to be paraded around as Meredith tries to fill the power vacuum. Aniya is far too rattled by everything else that happens. 

In my head canon, Hawke desperately needs some sense knocked into her. Something that happens in Ferelden is a catalyst for that. It's only after some major soul searching that she realizes she has a LOT to contribute in Kirkwall, and that drives her back for most of the rest of the 3 years. 

During that time she still leans on Fenris for support when he is in Kirkwall. Aveline has her own issues, Issy is gone, she's barely on speaking terms with Anders and Merrill, and Varric is...well, Varric.  

There's a lot that can happen in that 3 years, which is why Aniya is more than happy to eventually take things up with Fenris again.

Here's hoping my school gets wifi back soon.

Modifié par UrsulaCousland, 24 octobre 2011 - 08:05 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Arquen wrote...

4.) Fenris is trying to locate his sister, and is also taking jobs as a mercenary for coin. Mostly to get his sister. How he accomplishes the letters without Hawke's knowledge is anyone's guess. Personally, I think he would find someone to write it for him under Hawke's nose. Plus he would be very into his study of learning to read/write because he might want to try to send her something himself.

This is a good point actually...who would Fenris ask to write his letters? Considering there's a party banter where Varric basically tells him "dude, you should try harder to make friends", we can assume that, aside from Hawke's crew, he barely interacts with anybody on more than a necessary basis. However, Varric could be a likely candidate that would also understand why he'd want to keep the letters from Hawke.
 

Basically, during that 3 year gap there is a lot of interactions and actual friendship/relationship building that can happen. The constants are the reading lessons with Fenris, and the card games at the Hanged Man (courtesy of Varric) I would assume, LOL. He is pretty much the glue that holds the team together. Though Isabela and Anders would more than likely not be a part of that. I think Hawke would take advantage -- at least to try to cling to some "normalcy" in their lives.

Isabela no, but Anders actually seems to regularly hang out at the Hanged Man and lose at diamondback a lot, because he's terrible at it. In fact, Varric says that even the dog is better than him. Although I'm not sure it's money he's losing, because how much of it would he have in the first place...? Anyways, you meet him there in Act 3 when you go to see Varric for one of his "talk to" quests, and if you ask what he was doing there, Varric explains that the Hanged Man is basically the only place in Kirkwall where he can still get a drink, and that he comes around to tell stories about the Grey Wardens.

Overall though, I really dislike the time gaps. Maybe nothing interesting happened during that time, but it does leave gaping holes in the narrative. I'm wondering whether they shouldn't have made them shorter.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 24 octobre 2011 - 03:46 .

[ladyshamen]

OK! Here I go.
http://ladyshamen.de...enris-265067850
http://ladyshamen.de...enris-265067850

Modifié par ladyshamen, 24 octobre 2011 - 04:05 .

[ladyshamen]

I suck. I give up. Thanks for trying tho!

[Arquen]

It's true about Anders -- I should have been a little more specific I suppose. I shouldn't have lumped Anders in with Isabela there, since he does tend to at least hang around Varric every once in a while at the hanged man. I'm just not sure with his solitary attitude that he is playing cards with them on a regular basis.

Then again it is a good point that he probably does try to find some kind of "normalcy" to cling to. Trying to salvage a bit of himself when he isn't obsessing over the mages and his manifestos. That outlet could very well be the Hanged Man, and in that case I could see him making an effort to at least try to go hang out with Varric and play cards and do "normal" things.

As for Fenris, it pretty much states explicitly in the codex for act 2 that "contact with anyone outside of the jobs he takes as a mercenary is very limited." In act 3 the codex reads "Fenris finds his high profile in the city both intriguing and alarming. Over the last year, he has spoken more than once of leaving Kirkwall for good; if not for the debt he owes to Hawke, he would likely have moved on." Both suggesting that while he does participate with the crew -- probably just to be close to Hawke -- he still sees himself as an outsider. The attention of being "a friend of the Champion" probably weighs on him more than a little, and more than likely makes him more uncomfortable than anything. Seeing as he would be almost recognizable as "someone" due to his relation to the Champion. Whereas before he was just a strange elf nobody knew, and people regarded him with fear and apprehension moreso than "hey, isn't that the elf that's friends with the Champion?"

Still, I can see him trying to find some kind of outlet to cling to. He is at a point where he is still paranoid about Danarius, but also enjoying having a "home" and independence for the first time in his life. That would no doubt prompt him at least a little to try and participate with the others in social activities. Despite being cautious and paranoid he does seem to be genuinely interested in making a connection with people. Even if he isn't quite sure HOW to do that. More than likely he would participate in the Hanged Man activity because deep down he simply enjoys the company, and feeling normal. Also because it would make him feel a bit closer to Hawke.

What I do hate about the codexes is that they say "over the past year," and yet your not quite sure where that past year comes into play. Is it the year of Act 3? I assume so. Then it goes on to say " As for the night Fenris and Hawke shared three years ago, he refuses to speak more of it." So then my brain kind of breaks because -- wait wait.. he's been talking about leaving over the past year, but there was a 3 year break? Gahh... codex! *shakes fist*

[Arquen]

I think the problem is the pic, LOL... I tried it myself and it came out broken link... silly bioware...

upload it to photobucket or something, then try.

Modifié par Arquen, 24 octobre 2011 - 04:32 .

[sakera]

ladyshamen wrote...

I suck. I give up. Thanks for trying tho!

ladyshamen, hope you don't mind me posting it for you.

Here is the photo that ladyshamen was trying to post:

Modifié par sakera, 24 octobre 2011 - 04:49 .

[Arquen]

LOL... and tada!

I was looking at a different link >.<

That modded Fenris scares me.. not a fan of mods, and you changed his markings!

But kudos on Fenris's scythe and your elf Hawke is swanky, LOL. She looks like Athenril. LOL.

Modifié par Arquen, 24 octobre 2011 - 04:35 .

[Sir Edric]

Hmm, I need to try that 'elf mode Hawke' thing once I get the game for my PC. Does it work in cut scenes well?

[Nilfalasiel]

Arquen wrote...

As for Fenris, it pretty much states explicitly in the codex for act 2 that "contact with anyone outside of the jobs he takes as a mercenary is very limited." In act 3 the codex reads "Fenris finds his high profile in the city both intriguing and alarming. Over the last year, he has spoken more than once of leaving Kirkwall for good; if not for the debt he owes to Hawke, he would likely have moved on." Both suggesting that while he does participate with the crew -- probably just to be close to Hawke -- he still sees himself as an outsider. The attention of being "a friend of the Champion" probably weighs on him more than a little, and more than likely makes him more uncomfortable than anything. Seeing as he would be almost recognizable as "someone" due to his relation to the Champion. Whereas before he was just a strange elf nobody knew, and people regarded him with fear and apprehension moreso than "hey, isn't that the elf that's friends with the Champion?"

It doesn't help that he has such a distinctively recognisable physical appearance. It would be even harder to keep a low profile.

Still, I can see him trying to find some kind of outlet to cling to. He is at a point where he is still paranoid about Danarius, but also enjoying having a "home" and independence for the first time in his life. That would no doubt prompt him at least a little to try and participate with the others in social activities. Despite being cautious and paranoid he does seem to be genuinely interested in making a connection with people. Even if he isn't quite sure HOW to do that. More than likely he would participate in the Hanged Man activity because deep down he simply enjoys the company, and feeling normal. Also because it would make him feel a bit closer to Hawke.

There's an Act 3 banter with Varric about Fenris' debts at Wicked Grace, where he asks him whether he'll be at the Hanged Man later. Suggests that it's a habitual pastime. There's also the banter with Aveline about gambling with Donnic. So yeah, he definitely tries to participate in some socialising.

What I do hate about the codexes is that they say "over the past year," and yet your not quite sure where that past year comes into play. Is it the year of Act 3? I assume so. Then it goes on to say " As for the night Fenris and Hawke shared three years ago, he refuses to speak more of it." So then my brain kind of breaks because -- wait wait.. he's been talking about leaving over the past year, but there was a 3 year break? Gahh... codex! *shakes fist*

Well, there's an overall 3-year break, but he's only been talking about leaving over the last of those 3 years. As of Act 3, that would be considered the "past year". That seems to make sense.

On a different note, I'm afraid I also have to agree that those modded "curly" tattoos look...odd...

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 24 octobre 2011 - 04:47 .

[ladyshamen]

The people here are great!
Sakera- thank you !!! I'm having one of those days, nothing works right!

Arquen- Thanks, trying out the elf mod. Yea, I'm not sure about Fenris looking this way, might change back.

Vrex-12 - It works just fine in the cut scenes. So far. I'm not to the point of kissing and such. Will report in tho!

Thank you all!

Modifié par ladyshamen, 24 octobre 2011 - 05:32 .

[CelticDragon0]

Has anyone found or know of someone who created a Fenris skin for males and females on The Sims 2? Please let me know!

[CelticDragon0]

Has anyone found or know of someone who created a Fenris skin for males and females on The Sims 2? Please let me know!

[Arquen]

Hmm.. I remember MRC had some Fenris type skins... I'm not sure though.

I would check the Sims resource and online somewhere, but I really have no options since I don't play the Sims, LOL.

I played the Sims 2 for all about a week, but it was more like "The slaughtering of Sims 2" -- I kept finding new ways to kill them so I could see ghosts. I'm a horrible person, I know this. LOL.

Yeah, I really don't like any kind of modded Fenris. The only mods I have are the facial fix mod and the one that makes the lyrium markings a bit brighter. I do have the hair fix mod, but that's for every character and just applies to Fenris as well. I also have the vibrant eyes fix, but it doesn't really change the eye-color or anything like some of the others. It just brings up the color and makes them less dark and more realistic.

I have a mod on Isabela that changes her outfit colors and her jewelry to silver instead of gold. That's pretty much it. I don't mess with the companions. I used to have a mod for everyone, just trying them out, but I got turned off. I used to have an Anders mod even, but the Anders thread actually turned me off any modding of Anders and now I'm a purist, LMAO. Though with Fenris I've always been a purist. I love his armor and markings the way they are.

As for Nil -- I pretty much agree there. I think it is an admirable thing that Fenris does participate in cards with Donnic and Varric alike. He finds the fact that he is known "intriguing" which suggests that he is probably uncomfortable, but also just plain doesn't know how to react to it. Could you imagine people trying to ask Fenris questions about the Champion? LOL, "Hey aren't you the elf who is with the Champion all the time? How awesome is that?" as he's walking down the street, LMAO. More than likely it's just whispers and backhanded comments/gossip, but I found that thought amusing.

I can get on board the "last year" being the last of the 3 year gap. It seems to make sense, and just leaves the 2 years prior in the dark. Still, the codex entries are one of those things I really feel are lacking. There could have been so much more information or tidbits or just plain continuity of timeline in them, but they just sort of generalize and glaze over things. Just one of those things I suppose.

Modifié par Arquen, 24 octobre 2011 - 10:37 .