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[Arcane_Solona]

@Tash- Thanks! I'll need it! Isn't it supposed to be extremely difficult for adults to learn second languages? Its like what Harle said above. But still, I'm adamant to succeed!

[sakera]

I just have a question, excuse me if it has been asked before, is Bioware planning on making a "I <3 Fenris" shirt like the Alistair one that I am wearing right now! 

[Arcane_Solona]

 Hmmm... I'm not sure myself, but I'm definitely on board if they are planning on making it! I'd wear it everywhere... under all my clothes:P

I actually have a shirt that says "I have a thing for broody, tortured elves", and I am in LOVE with it! I also love the confused look of people's faces when they read it and haven't got a clue what it means:P

[UrsulaCousland]

sakera wrote...

I just have a question, excuse me if it has been asked before, is Bioware planning on making a "I <3 Fenris" shirt like the Alistair one that I am wearing right now! 

I have no idea, but I would definitely buy one!

Edit: Near ToP. I have seen this one before, and I was thinking of it when I wrote Fenris's intro into Common Ground. 

Source: obsceneblue

Modifié par UrsulaCousland, 28 octobre 2011 - 12:33 .

[Da'asha]

Hiya, Fenris thread! Usually I'm a lurker, but I've been messing about with deviant art lately and decided to be bold and share my newest Fenris picture with you.  Just a forewarning, I'm not near as good of an artist as the rest of you, but ah well. And I also don't know how to put pictures on here, so a link will have to suffice: http://constipateddu...t.com/#/d4e5fj0

[Tashash]

sakera wrote...

I just have a question, excuse me if it has been asked before, is Bioware planning on making a "I <3 Fenris" shirt like the Alistair one that I am wearing right now! 

Well, I can't find one in the BioWare store

Do what the rest of us fanatics did - make your own!

Edit: @Syria - D'Awwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!

Modifié par Tashash, 28 octobre 2011 - 01:00 .

[sakera]

Tashash wrote...

Do what the rest of us fanatics did - make your own!

I am actually considering it ... just gonna have to decide on how to design it ... *gets dreamy eyes* ... sigh ... 

[Arquen]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Arquen wrote...

[...]Even with her manipulation and such I don't doubt that she is telling the truth when she says Fenris has a horrible accent. That doesn't necessarily mean he speaks the words/sentences incorrectly, but it indicates that he at least is not fluent in the language. Either that or he has a very thick Tevene or common tongue accent in his speech that comes off to a native Qunari as garbled or incorrect. While he may know the language enough to speak it, he still speaks it "badly" to someone who basically learned it as their first or at least primary language.

I would lean more toward the idea that Fenris just has a thick Tevene accent in his Qunari, but knows the language well enough. Even his common tongue has a bit of that Tevinter accent in it.

Pardon me while I rant a bit over the highlighted section: people who don't care about language may wish to skip to the end of  the rant.

Accents have nothing to do with fluency in a language.  Yes, with practice, an accent can be reduced, but almost never eradicated entirely.  A person can speak, understand, write and read a secondary language as expertly as a native speaker, and still sound funny to a someone who grew up surrounded by that language, learned it as a child.  Pretty much the only way to speak a foreign language without any accent is to learn it as a young child, the way you learn your native language.  This is because of the neural pathways which form our language centres; the parts which hold the 'blueprints' for language forms we don't use die out early, giving us what is called a 'critical window' - the period of time in which we are best able to learn language, and after which, it becomes much more difficult.  That window varies a bit, but is generally the breakoff point is somewhere around puberty, while the process of the dying-off begins even earlier.  Given that Fenris has likely had little chance to actually speak Qunari, and he definitely learned it after the 'critical window' closed, it certainly wouldn't surprise me that he has a thick accent, and not a polished, practiced one that's less bothersome to the native ear.

Doesn't mean Tallis is right for pointing it out; in fact, it means she's even more wrong, because it's literally something he cannot change.  She's effectively mocking him for a speech impediment.  I don't tolerate people mocking others for their accents in real life, and it still makes me angry when the characters aren't real.


Okay, end rant, it's safe to read again!


I believe Tallis chose to join the Qun, and not raised under it?  She never says it directly, but the implication from a few banters is that she was from Tevinter, and she does say directly that she wasn't born to the Qun.  She talks about it to . . . Aveline, I believe, in a banter, and to Hawke directly.  And to Fenris, I recall that she says she chose the Qun, when he compares it to slavery.

Which brings me to something that I find interesting is Fenris' respect for the Arishok, when put next to his several comparisons of the Qun to slavery in MotA. As for me,I certainly agree with Fenris about that outlook on the Qun - not just for mages, but for everyone born to it, who never even have a choice, and who will be brainwashed into believing it by the Ben-Hassrath if they doubt and can't manage to get away to be Tal-Vashoth.

And actually, I have a whole thing on how a lot of Tal-Vashoth are still allowing themselves to be bound by the Qun even if they tried to reject it, but this is not the thread for it.

To respond to this real quick. I completely agree actually. I think instead of "accent" I should have said "dialect." It would have made my point a bit better. In that an accent IS something that you can't help having if you are not a native speaker of the language. Whereas a dialect can be something learned and may indeed be or sound incorrect to someone with another dialect. Even though it is effectively the same language.

Regardless of Tallis's intentions/etc. I don't think she genuinely meant malice toward Fenris. She did try to put him down by saying "that is so cute," but really I agree that she was being coy and dodgy in that conversation. I was talking more about the conversation with Varric where she goes "I wouldn't call what he does.. speaking Qunari.." To which they both ignore her, and I lol. She probably is a bit rattled that Fenris tests her, but I don't truly believe she was being malicious to him on purpose. More cautious I'm sure, and her comment about the accent was more snarky because of his apparent dislike of her than anything. At least that is how I took it.

Tallis is snarky and cautious, and a one-upper. She is also conflicted and realizes that none of the companions want to help her or like her in the least. So she is defensive.

It is still up in the air whether or not Fenris's Qunari "sucks" or not, but I can at least accept that he might speak it badly at least when compared to a native Qunari speaker. I say native because Tallis states that while she wasn't "born" to the Qun she seems to have spent her whole or at least most of her life living and being with them, even before the Ben-Hassrath recruited her. It would have been her primary language that she spoke most of the time if not always. Hence I don't blame her too much for saying such things. Often times when you go to another country people will be snarky about your accent being terrible... if only in jest or a slight backhanded comment.  This has happened to me before more than once . Not that you don't speak it correctly, but if you have a different dialect, then yes it would sound "bad" or "incorrect" to some others. Accents develop over time, and you CAN do something about them, but only by being exposed and speaking the language on a regular basis. You don't really have to work at an accent as much as you would a speech impediment. A lot of the time accents just develop from simply using and speaking the language frequently/all the time. I wouldn't compare the two. I don't think that is fair.

[Tashash]

Just a little shameless self promotion, and since I've been whinging about this damn chapter on here I might as well deliver the goods, huh?


CHAPTER 5 is up!!!!!

http://www.fanfictio...e_Water_Gave_Us

Enjoy!

[Browneye_Vamp84]

Tashash wrote...

Just a little shameless self promotion, and since I've been whinging about this damn chapter on here I might as well deliver the goods, huh?


CHAPTER 5 is up!!!!!

http://www.fanfictio...e_Water_Gave_Us

Enjoy!

hell yes!! LOVED it!! keep it up!! 

[Arquen]

Hee, Tashy -- I thank you for the credits, LOL. I appreciate the acknowledgement though I so am no goddess, LMAO.

I must have read this chapter like 5+ times now, and I love it.

Good Fenfic is so hard to find these days. I was cruising FF.net and AO3 earlier, and came up with nothing. *sigh*

So indeed.. keep it up! You too Ursula and Heiden

However, proofreading all these stories, and watching Castle makes me so want to write my own fenfic, LOL.

Speaking of Castle. Totally had a Gideon Emery cameo. I got all giddy, and even though he wasn't using his "Fenris voice," I still laughed more than I should have at his dialogue. His character was a manager of an online male stripper service. Worth it...

[Reinara]

@arquen: ...oh god which ep of Castle was that? I need to stalk. I know I laughed a lot when I was watching the Mentalist and Gideon was in it and I recognized him from his Fenris voice.

[Arquen]

Season 3: Episode 7 -- Almost Famous... it's a small cameo, but I totally did go all fangirl.

He was in Burn Notice as well, and I saw the one in the Mentalist *grins like a fool*

He also will be a voice in Uncharted 3 and Guild Wars 2 (various) -- Looks like MRC was right about those sylvari. I think I'm totally going to play one too... yep.. I was torn before, but that just made my mind up for me. LOL.

[ladyshamen]

Good morning! It's almost 4 AM here. Thought I'd start the day with one of my Fenris-y pics. Sorry if it's been posted before!

[tankgirly]

ladyshamen wrote...

Good morning! It's almost 4 AM here. Thought I'd start the day with one of my Fenris-y pics. Sorry if it's been posted before!

Arh, this picture brought back so many memories!

It was back in the days before we even know the name of a certain charming Teventer elf. Good times..*sage nod* good times.....

[Browneye_Vamp84]

ladyshamen wrote...

Good morning! It's almost 4 AM here. Thought I'd start the day with one of my Fenris-y pics. Sorry if it's been posted before!

omg.. i laughed so hard when i first saw this and almost choked on my chocolate.  awesome picture 

[Arquen]

Hee.. I avoided all spoilers and threads before the game. I didn't even know Fenris existed until I did his Bait and Switch quest.

Then I lurked here for like 2 months before I actually registered my game and got involved.

Still.. I think that picture will always bring back memories for me as well.

Interesting thought... I wonder if Fenris has ever had chocolate? or sweets for that matter.

Also, curious about the gifts in Hawke's house. The Tevinter wine -- "Fenris says all Tevinter wine is made from the blood and tears of slaves. I hope he was joking." -- too tired so paraphrasing. I just imagine that scene in my head and laugh... Him actually bringing the wine over and saying these things to Hawke with that smirk smile he does. Ha.

Totally should write a one-shot of that... hmmm...

[Arcane_Solona]

Is it sick of me to want Fenris licking chocolate off my fingers?

@Arquen- Hah!! I could so picture Fenris saying that to Hawke with that impeccable dry sense of humour. And then when Hawke's as confused and as shocked as hell and asks him "wha..what?", he'll just smirk and leave.

And maybe its just me, but Fenris strikes me as the sort of person who has a sweet tooth. Maybe its because I do and I'm being biased, but of well!

Modifié par Arcane_Solona, 28 octobre 2011 - 11:21 .

[Cosmochyck]

Arcane_Solona wrote...

Is it sick of me to want Fenris licking chocolate off my fingers?

@Arquen- Hah!! I could so picture Fenris saying that to Hawke with that impeccable dry sense of humour. And then when Hawke's as confused and as shocked as hell and asks him "wha..what?", he'll just smirk and leave.

And maybe its just me, but Fenris strikes me as the sort of person who has a sweet tooth. Maybe its because I do and I'm being biased, but of well!

Not it is not wrong - I was thinking the EXACT same thing

His smirk is what helps make his character and demeanor I think - and that scene should have been in the game.  Hawke definitely would have been speechless as he walks out.  I'm playing again with aggro Hawke and his lines are just so priceless....

And I want a t-shirt too!  Who doesn't  Fenris???

[Sialater]

So... there's something I just didn't get in my game with him. And I've not seen it discussed in a while. Why DOES he walk out? And why does it take three years for him to come back?

[sagefic]

Sialater wrote...

So... there's something I just didn't get in my game with him. And I've not seen it discussed in a while. Why DOES he walk out? And why does it take three years for him to come back?

I thought he explained it pretty well himself in the QB quest in act 3 (which i just completed for the first time and i was blushing at the end. it was so cute)...

but i think the short answer is:
- he realized he was in love with hawke
- he didn't think he deserved to be in love because he was still thinking of himself as a slave on the run
- he'd rather have hawke hate him than admit his vulnerability and insecurity
and
- he can't get over that insecurity until danarius is dealt with

oh, and edit: hi sia!

btw, Just thought i'd post this. This is my (Rather long! i tried to put in colored highlights):

Guide to Friending Fenris while still being Pro-mage AND taking him almost everywhere.

it took me a while to test it out. it was a lot of fun, too.

Modifié par sagequeen, 28 octobre 2011 - 02:04 .

[syllogi]

Sialater wrote...

So... there's something I just didn't get in my game with him. And I've not seen it discussed in a while. Why DOES he walk out? And why does it take three years for him to come back?

There is a whole book on this subject.

(I KID, I hate relationship books like the above geared towards women)

I think the fact that he doesn't actually leave Hawke's presence after that one night, and wears the favor then, instead after reconciling in Act Three, says a lot about Fenris's feelings for Hawke.  It's one of the few times I would actually believe "it's not you, it's me" after a breakup.

Beyond the reasons he gives in game, I can also imagine that he feels like Hawke comes from a completely different world from his background.  Hawke was born and raised free (and preserving freedom was important to his/her parents), into a loving family, and Fenris can't relate to that at all.  I know that in the past, when I was younger, I had a hard time dating or even being friends with people I looked at as "normal"...I was so caught up in letting my crappy childhood define who I was as a teenager and young adult, it really did make me push people away for no good reason.  Maybe I'm projecting, but I can see that sort of low self esteem being a reason for him to think that he can't be with Hawke.

[Sir Edric]

ladyshamen wrote...

Good morning! It's almost 4 AM here. Thought I'd start the day with one of my Fenris-y pics. Sorry if it's been posted before!

Chocolate fingers aren't enough! *throws a bucket of chocolate on Fenris' body*

Looks much better now.

[Sialater]

It must REALLY irk him if s/he moves on to Anders or Merrill, then.

But, in all seriousness, I'm just trying to get a better grasp of his character since he'll be one of the POVs in my DA2 project. (Trying something new with structure. I figured BW can experiment, so can I.)

I guess I just don't grasp the self-esteem thing. Because he doesn't act like it. He seems more prideful than anything.

[Gervaise]

I believe the Devs confirmed it is to do with him not feeling worthy of Hawke and particularly if Hawke has shown an interest in anyone else, he backs off the allow them what he believes will be a better chance at happiness. Then the longer he leave it, the harder it is for him to make the confession he finally does. If Hawke is a mage there is also all that mixed up emotion concerning magic that he has to deal with as well. It is not as though he ignores Hawke. He will be there for Hawke after Mother's death, and he warns off Zevran even if you haven't been reconciled (it was the first time my original Hawke thought that may be they were in with a chance of him coming back). Merrill teases him when she catches him looking longingly at Hawke. If you move on from Fenris to Anders he warns him what he will do if he breaks Hawke's heart, which again shows how much he cares. When he finally confesses his feelings I always find it incredibly moving - hence I find it very difficult not to end up with Fenris.