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[Annarl]

jamesp81 wrote...

Arquen wrote...

It's funny, but Fenris has NEVER rubbed me the wrong way. I've never been offended or angry at him at all.

I mean, I pretty much get his point from the Gallows and there was never a time when I didn't consider what he had to say. Analyzing what he says about mages -- it never feels like "mage hate" so much as this...

Hawke: Forcing mages into servitude is not the way to prevent the rise of another Imperium.

Fenris: Letting them do as they please is hardly a better path.

Pretty much sums it up. He isn't against mages, and people get so caught in the details and bluntness of what he says. The "viper that will turn on you" the "what has magic touched that it hasn't spoiled" the "what manner of mage are you" the "you ARE a Monster" Merrill comments. None of these things actually bothered me... mostly because I try to see both sides, and Fenris is never very up in your face about the mages, and always considers what Hawke says even if it is aggressive or mean to HIM.

In MotA I just loved Fenris even more...

Sebastian: Do many Tevinter slaves run away to the Qunari?

Fenris: Some. I never understood why they thought it was an improvement.

Sebastian: I imagine that to a slave almost anything is an improvement, no?

Fenris: So, instead of being owned outright you swear voluntarily to do anything the Qun asks of you. Up to and including dying for your betters. It's just slavery by another name.

I was like *FISTPUMP* when he said that, LOL.

Some things he says are just unforgivable to me.  Referring to Bethany as a viper waiting to betray.  Telling me Merrill he wasn't sorry that Marethari died, that he was only sorry she died for Merrill.  "What has magic touched that it doesn't corrupt?"

Any point he may have had is lost in his towering rage.  The fact that he can still voice support for the templars after seeing Alrik and Karras especially tells me that his issues run deep.  Then again, I've thought the circle was a monumental injustice since DAO.

But, as mentioned, he was epic in MotA.  He might be hung up about mages, but he gets the Qunari.  Slavery by another name indeed.

I can understand why people don't like some of the things Fenris says.  He has no filter.  His comments are harsh but his life experiences are harsh especially when dealing with magic and to top it off Fenris will just say what he believes in very stark language (the no filter). And sometimes he's even sorry if it's too hurtful. 
I hold out hope that Fenris will mellow out as he re-defines himself and finds his place in the world.  I don't think he will ever love magic but he does admit to its usefulness.  
I hope that the circles will reform and become more school like and not prison like.  It's hard to support a system that allows places like Kirkwall to happen and they can't be the only place in Thedas where people like Alirk and Karras exist in the Templar ranks.

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Modifié par omearaee, 02 novembre 2011 - 03:43 .

[AbsoluteApril]

I enjoyed this story that was posted on DA, a Fenris adventure!
Little Wolf, Twisted Justice by *Heroes-Die
http://heroes-die.de...llery/#/d49hqqy

and a good old Fenris vs. Anders fight over Hawke:
DA2: Willpower by *Teru-is-True
http://teru-is-true....823336#/d48aiab

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 02 novembre 2011 - 03:43 .

[Sialater]

AbsoluteApril wrote...

I enjoyed this story that was posted on DA, a Fenris adventure!
Little Wolf, Twisted Justice by *Heroes-Die
http://heroes-die.de...llery/#/d49hqqy

and a good old Fenris vs. Anders fight over Hawke:
DA2: Willpower by *Teru-is-True
http://teru-is-true....823336#/d48aiab

Finally!  FHawke fic!  I've been having a hard time finding ANY of that.

I do have a question.  All the fics I've seen show Fenris losing his temper quite often.  But the guy's battle yells are nearly monotone even when Hawke's down (almost).  I always got the impression the few outbursts of emotion we get are few and far between since a slave can't really HAVE emotional expression or he'd suffer the consequences.  Am I alone in this interpretation?

[Gervaise]

I think MoA shows that Fenris has started to mellow. I haven't been through it with him and Merrill, but when he was with Anders their banter wasn't nearly as aggressive as in Kirkwall. With Bethany he seemed quite friendly, like he has seen beyond the mage label and recognises her now as a person and a very likeable one at that. Of course we know from the main game that he moves on from his initial reaction to her (that everyone objects to) and uses her as an example of a mage who is strong (and doesn't misuse their magic). Likewise Hawke if they are a mage.

I don't know why people have to see him as angry so much, but may be it is because they rivalled him. I have only ever known him as a friend by the end of the game, even though initially we disagreed over the mage issue and at that point were on the rival scale - so I did get to experience some of his vitriol. Also he always seems to show his bad side in Kirkwall to Anders and Merrill, but then Anders is an abomination and Merrill is a blood mage, which is probably something he finds particularly difficult to deal with bearing in mind where he was enslaved. The way events turn out, neither of them really disproved his prejudices. He comes across as blunt because he has never learnt tact and discretion as a slave but also I agree with the previous poster that slaves are not permitted to show emotion, so there is a lot of pent up aggression that needed release once he was free to show it. At least you know where you are with him - I'd rather have straight forward honesty than insincere flattery and pretend sympathy. I think he'd get on just fine with my Warden elf mage but then she was a spirit healer/arcane warrior.

[Arquen]

Writing Fenris is kind of tricky. I think it's a careful balance of his blunt personality and his anger moments.

It's one of the reasons I can't seem to get through a lot of the fics on the kink_meme. While he does have outbursts.. he isn't as ragey and mood-swingy "hot" then "cold" as some people write him.

So, no .. your not wrong in that interpretation sia, LOL. I just think it's hard to write a good Fenris that is believable without being overly ragey/raarrrr or emo/angsty/overly sweet.

He loses his temper in front of Hawke a couple of times, and he feels bad about it. In the rivalmance it seems like they would argue a lot more and I think people just assume he would lose his temper with a rivalmance character. I don't know if I entirely agree.

He is more snarky/blunt to Anders, but he can sound angry especially with certain banters. I think it just kind of depends on what the scene is, and if he would be pushed so far as to lose his temper. However, when he does lose his temper.. he walks away. I don't see that very often either. His "I need to get out of here," and "I need some air" comments to excuse himself because he knows he has gone too far. Those I hardly ever see. Just sort of ragey/rawr and then either "sorry sorry" or Hawke talking him down.

[Sialater]

Thanks. I am writing a DA2 novelization with the Fenris/F!Hawke/Anders triangle and I'm trying to get all the facets of his character that I can. I've just seen some in fic that I didn't find supported by either the Rivalry or the Friendship, so I thought I'd ask. (Not that I should be surprised by the fic thing, the things some authors have done to Zev...)

[Arquen]

Also, Sia.. feel free to read my little fics.. I really try hard to keep him in character, but only my "mother" ficlet is in his POV. Though... I have written in his POV in other places *whistles innocently*

Best advice I can give on finding a good "Fenris" voice is to just listen to his banters, cutscenes on YouTube and dialogue in general. He really does not loose his temper, and his anger is very focused on Magisters and Magic. He will get adamant about a point, but not angry at Hawke directly.

[Sialater]

Thanks! And oh, good, F!Hawke!

I get tired of all the M!Hawke. No offense to those who like it, it just doesn't really apply to me since I don't play male Hawke.

[Heidenreich]

A quick block I wrote this afternoon after coming across a bit of my most favorite banter in game.

Banter

[Ramante]

Hmm... maybe sleeping with everyone wasn't such a good idea. xD
- Seb asked Isa why she was still there, she answered that she stayed for the sex (with Hawke)
- During Avelines personal quest, she said 'how do you and Anders deal with everything'
- When Isa makes a move on Fenris he tells her to keep her distance

I got a feeling my game doesn't know what's present and history. x"D

[Sialater]

Heidenreich wrote...

A quick block I wrote this afternoon after coming across a bit of my most favorite banter in game.

Banter

ROTFLMAO

[Sealy]

Ramante wrote...

Hmm... maybe sleeping with everyone wasn't such a good idea. xD
- Seb asked Isa why she was still there, she answered that she stayed for the sex (with Hawke)
- During Avelines personal quest, she said 'how do you and Anders deal with everything'
- When Isa makes a move on Fenris he tells her to keep her distance

I got a feeling my game doesn't know what's present and history. x"D

Exact same thing happened for me, I was with Fenris when Aveline asked how Anders and I deal with things and I swear if the game gave us total control my Hawke would have been flapping his arms and shushing her, I was just waiting for Fenris to turn and be like:
 
*ahem* "How do you and the abomination deal with what, exactly?"

*Nothing, you were never supposed to know, Arquen said you would never know!" *flail*

I like Isa and her sex line though, got it after Fenris and Hawke were back together, Fenris in the group, and since Isabela/Fenris/Hawke is my OT3, I imagined Fenris and Hawke were like : *preen*,

[Cosmochyck]

Fleshdress wrote...

Ramante wrote...

Hmm... maybe sleeping with everyone wasn't such a good idea. xD
- Seb asked Isa why she was still there, she answered that she stayed for the sex (with Hawke)
- During Avelines personal quest, she said 'how do you and Anders deal with everything'
- When Isa makes a move on Fenris he tells her to keep her distance

I got a feeling my game doesn't know what's present and history. x"D

Exact same thing happened for me, I was with Fenris when Aveline asked how Anders and I deal with things and I swear if the game gave us total control my Hawke would have been flapping his arms and shushing her, I was just waiting for Fenris to turn and be like:
 
*ahem* "How do you and the abomination deal with what, exactly?"

*Nothing, you were never supposed to know, Arquen said you would never know!" *flail*

I like Isa and her sex line though, got it after Fenris and Hawke were back together, Fenris in the group, and since Isabela/Fenris/Hawke is my OT3, I imagined Fenris and Hawke were like : *preen*,

Ok almost choked on my water when I lauged at this!  

[Arquen]

*dies* The Arquen HAS SPOKEN!

It's true.. it gets a bit confused since it technically is a loophole. I wouldn't be surprised if at the end game Varric spews out every companion stays with Hawke, LOL.

I would be flailing too... "noo.. nooo.. that isn't pirate you smell... nor abomination.. nor... crap...uhh.... ILU most?"

hilariousness.

[Ramante]

Arquen wrote...

*dies* The Arquen HAS SPOKEN!

It's true.. it gets a bit confused since it technically is a loophole. I wouldn't be surprised if at the end game Varric spews out every companion stays with Hawke, LOL.

I would be flailing too... "noo.. nooo.. that isn't pirate you smell... nor abomination.. nor... crap...uhh.... ILU most?"

hilariousness.

Don't forget blood mage.

Only thing missing is a Tevinter magister or a slaver to make him run away screaming. x"D

[Sialater]

Hawke's got a busy bedroom. LOL

[Sealy]

He did indeed, Leandra was very confused.

"I see the way you and... all your companions look at eachother." My playthrough with Luc ran under the very strict guide line of "It moved! Hawke, hump it!" He was dismayed when Fenris sent Zevran and Tallis packing. Mostly because at that point he was still on a three year hiatus and in a serious relationship with his hand.

Ramante wrote...

Arquen wrote...

*dies* The Arquen HAS SPOKEN!

It's true.. it gets a bit confused since it technically is a loophole. I wouldn't be surprised if at the end game Varric spews out every companion stays with Hawke, LOL.

I would be flailing too... "noo.. nooo.. that isn't pirate you smell... nor abomination.. nor... crap...uhh.... ILU most?"

hilariousness.

Don't forget blood mage.

Only thing missing is a Tevinter magister or a slaver to make him run away screaming. x"D

Bahahaha, you know Luc did have a giant crush on Castillon. Accents, they turn my Hawkes into puddles of goo.

Modifié par Fleshdress, 02 novembre 2011 - 09:36 .

[Arcane_Solona]

"It moved! Hawke, hump it!"

That line made me laugh continuously for the longest time! LOL!

You guys make my Hawkes seems like saints. They're the monogamous type, just like me. Call us boring and old fashioned, but that's the way the cookie crumbles!

And hello to more new flesh! Welcome, aldien! A little word of caution, though: This thread is ADDICTIVE.

Enjoy!

Modifié par Arcane_Solona, 02 novembre 2011 - 10:37 .

[UrsulaCousland]

Heidenreich wrote...

A quick block I wrote this afternoon after coming across a bit of my most favorite banter in game.

Banter

Hahaha! Love it!

 (And Welcome, Aldien! Arcane_Solana speaks truth - this thread is crack.  )

Modifié par UrsulaCousland, 02 novembre 2011 - 10:52 .

[Arcane_Solona]

Heidenreich wrote...

A quick block I wrote this afternoon after coming across a bit of my most favorite banter in game.

Banter

One word: Priceless.

[UrsulaCousland]

Cosmochyck wrote...

Arquen wrote...

LMAO... Oh so MANY gems in MotA indeed.

*snip*

Yeah, a lot of people get frustrated or burnt out on the kink_meme as far as stories. There aren't exactly many "epic fills" on there. Just one-shots mostly. Which is okay for me, but sometimes I do want to read an epic story.

Luckily Tash, Ursula, and Heiden (*pokes*) don't seem to disappoint me with their stories.

I wish I could find more time and motivation to write one of my own with Gwenya. However, I just don't think I could find the stamina to go from Act 1 - Act 3. I just... I think I would lose interest or something half-way. Plus, busy as hell with work lately. *sigh*

I miss being able to do a run-through of DA2 and stay up all night posting/drawing/writing. LOL.

Ok now I'll have to play MoTA again just to get that! 

And I love all their fics as well - this thread has been a steady source of reading material for me!

@darkrose - I scour fanfic.net too, but really good ones that keep me interested are hard to come by - but there are lots of M!Hawke/Fenris!  I hope you are up and mobile soon!

Aw, thanks, guys!   (And I'm a fan of Heiden and Tash too! <3) I also can't speak for Sia's Dragon Age (Origins) fic (haven't read it yet though I intend to), but I'm sure it's great and I LOVE her Mass Effect fics (A Paragon of Virtue and Loved) if you want a change of pace and like Mass Effect fic at all!

I might just have some time to write some stuff later. And now I'm feeling extra motivated.

*shameless self promotion mode on*

My fic project is F!Hawke/Fenris, and somewhat has its roots in both  the song "It's Probably Me" and Tankgirly's awesome prompts. I'm currently working on Act I, though after a chat with Arquen (thank you!), I'm considering writing a 'Prologue' scene I probably shouldn't have 'cut'. (Ah, plot bunnies. They appear to be 'plucky' too. )

*shameless self promotion mode off*

EDIT: Grammar FAIL...*sigh*

Modifié par UrsulaCousland, 03 novembre 2011 - 12:33 .

[Sealy]

Arcane_Solona wrote...

"It moved! Hawke, hump it!"

That line made me laugh continuously for the longest time! LOL!

You guys make my Hawkes seems like saints. They're the monogamous type, just like me. Call us boring and old fashioned, but that's the way the cookie crumbles!

And hello to more new flesh! Welcome, aldien! A little word of caution, though: This thread is ADDICTIVE.

Enjoy!

I am here to serve your funny bone.


I have my saintly Hawke, Kadan who rivalmances Fenris cause appaently Fenris hates nice people! My Hawke was nice to everyone, even mages and Fenris was not down with that. They are all monogamous though, often not by choice but the game doesn't really allow for threesomes, just my head does! 

Also hi, newbies! Have a cake. (better then cookies)

[UrsulaCousland]

Arquen wrote...

*dies* The Arquen HAS SPOKEN!

It's true.. it gets a bit confused since it technically is a loophole. I wouldn't be surprised if at the end game Varric spews out every companion stays with Hawke, LOL.

I would be flailing too... "noo.. nooo.. that isn't pirate you smell... nor abomination.. nor... crap...uhh.... ILU most?"

hilariousness.

*cleans coffee off of laptop screen*

Also, Fenris. (Thanks as always, Louvette! )

Maker, I could stare at those eyes all day.

[Sealy]

Sialater wrote...

Thanks! And oh, good, F!Hawke!

I get tired of all the M!Hawke. No offense to those who like it, it just doesn't really apply to me since I don't play male Hawke.

I need to know where your looking , everywhere I go the het far outstrips the slash. Tell me your MHawke/fenris finding ways! 

Modifié par Fleshdress, 03 novembre 2011 - 05:21 .

[aldien]

Hello everyone that said hello!

Thanks for the cookies!

I love how this thread is extremely friendly even when people disagree.It's good to disagree. It keeps life interesting.

Love the pictures. The biggest reason I lurk around here on a daily basis is to see the pictures and enjoy the banter. Fenris is such a picture ****. Hopefully, I'll be able to join in and create banter with the best of you.

If it's not too much bother I thought I'd ask very nicely for someone to look at my drabble. I can't decide if it should be turned into a story or not. It is weird. I have no beta and little time. But I thought it might be fun to share with my Fenris cookie bandits.

Here it is:

http://fenrisfanatic.blogspot.com/

Read it, hate it, print it out and burn it. It has such a special place in my heart.

Going to sleep.

Night Fenris Fans