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[Arquen]

By the way... I totally have my own answers to these questions.... I'm just in a mood for re-evaluation. Plus, I like reading people's analysis.

Also, at work. Muahaha....

OH VENHEDIS!! top again.. and at work... crap

Here have some of my arts..


By ME bwahaha

Modifié par Arquen, 11 novembre 2011 - 06:39 .

[ReiSilver]

(I'm just kind psyched to be discussing the rivalmance, because I think the Fenris rivalmance is my favorite romance in the game XD)
I think the 'agree to disagree' sums it up for me, especially with Marric since he would rather avoid and deflect then argue. I only see any big arguments, like full on, anger buttons have been pressed kind of fighting, happening during act 1 when they're still getting used to each other. After three years I feel like they would have accepted each others boundaries and that that no matter how much they try to convince each other neither is really going to budge (unless something big has happened to set one of them off like with Hadriana). There's still be the discussion, the occasional exasperation, the prodding that you see here and there in game because those are their opinions.
But again I kind of see sarcastic Hawkes like my Marric in rivalmances as deflecting and changing the subject if they can, kind of like Isabela's (paraphrased) "Oh, I don't want to argue." "We could go back to discussing the colour of my undergarments if you'd prefer." "Oh yes, let's do that! Much more fun!"
(good ol' Izzy)

Edit: speaking of which went and found my old argument sketch XD


So this would be... a breaking point somewhere in act 1 where after a long day, and possibly having to put up with one of Carver's moods, Marric has just had it and looses his temper "This is who I am and I like it. I'm not going to apologise for it or be ashamed because other people abuse it."
Meanwhile I'd be sitting at my desk going nooooo Marric what are you doing? No shoving magic in his face while arguing, that is a terrible idea, go sit in a corner! I'm sure he'd apologise for that bit later >__>
and Oh Creators this was done in JULY excuse me while I hide in shame and cry about anatomy

Modifié par ReiSilver, 11 novembre 2011 - 07:17 .

[Arquen]

Ooooo... that means I'm on the right track with my fic Rei. I will finish it up by Sat. I will dammit!

Freakin work... cutting into my fic time.

I always found it funny how I prefer my aggro Hawkes but have only rivaled Fenris once and she is my bloodmage, and a little crazy. She also doesn't back down, but she holds on to people like Fenris because he doesn't back down either. She picks his brain, and pushes him because she admires his willpower. She, however, has no qualms with her magic or mages, but she isn't someone who tolerates lying or niceness either. Lol. She is the ultimate rival to Fenris, but she admires qualities in him as he does her.

[ReiSilver]

Arquen wrote...

Ooooo... that means I'm on the right track with my fic Rei. I will finish it up by Sat. I will dammit!

Freakin work... cutting into my fic time.

I always found it funny how I prefer my aggro Hawkes but have only rivaled Fenris once and she is my bloodmage, and a little crazy. She also doesn't back down, but she holds on to people like Fenris because he doesn't back down either. She picks his brain, and pushes him because she admires his willpower. She, however, has no qualms with her magic or mages, but she isn't someone who tolerates lying or niceness either. Lol. She is the ultimate rival to Fenris, but she admires qualities in him as he does her.

asdfghj so excited~

When it comes to F!Hawkes I do prefer the aggro-personality, I have one planned for my pro-templar run, who if I stick to my guns and romance Sebastian with her, will be total BFF with Fenris... I suspect she will rival most everyone else , poor Lady XD not that she'd want my pity.
I'm so tempted to friendmance Fenris with her though... but it would make Marric cry in my head. Why must my Hawkes and Wardens refuse to share their LIs?

[Tryynity]

Love/Hate Inspirational Music LOL

None of this really speaks loud enough to me to make an actual video with it - but maybe someone else is inspired enough to do one.... maybe just a slideshow or something

Fluffy Rock
When Love and Hate Collide - Def Leppard


DARKish
Love - Hate - Love - Alice In Chains

Modifié par Tryynity, 11 novembre 2011 - 08:05 .

[Nerys]

Arquen wrote...


Here have some of my arts..


By ME bwahaha

WOW! That is Fantastic Arquen! I love the expression on his face, so totally Fenris! Great job!!

[Dutchess]

^ Indeed, that's really amazing art! Well done!

I remembered something else I appreciate about the Fenris romance, though it's not really Fenris-related. I like the flirt dialogue Hawke gets with him. They are often a bit subtle and don't all involve plain references to sex, like with the other characters. I get that flirting with Isabela will have a bit of a "naughty" tone, but I had my female Hawke flirting with Sebastian, and with every flirt option I chose, I cringed. One time she basically offered herself as a one-night-stand, and that's really not what I have in mind when it comes to romance. Same with Anders, at least in act 1. When I want to romance someone, I tend to choose all the flirt options, but then I sat, staring at my screen, thinking: "noooo, you did NOT just say that!". It makes the idea of a romance with that person so.. shallow.

[Arcane_Solona]

I've always loved that drawing of yours, Arquen! One of the best I've ever seen! The way you've captured his expression is brilliant!

[Arquen]

Lol.. flatterers... (wow that word looks really wrong to me.)

I love the flirt dialogue as well... the "what a waste of a perfectly handsome elf," I love the teasing! I also love the act 2 flirts.. subtle and his reaction to them is priceless. "Does that bother you?" Hnnngg I get all goofy grins.

Funny... we were just talking not too long ago about ow awkward and facepalmy some of the flirt options are. I actually love all of them, lol.

Its funny I was looking at that pic thinking "gahhh so many mistakes!" But you guys, as always.. give me hope and smiles.

Modifié par Arquen, 11 novembre 2011 - 10:19 .

[tankgirly]

THURSDAY PROMPT HAD RETURN!

Theme-Let's have some crossover again!:
a) Serenity.
.Skyrim.
c) X-Men First class.
d) Halo.


Don't forget to put your theme in bold on the top of your post.
Time: One week. [/quote]

[Arquen]

Oh hell... died at thought of Fenris meeting master chief... and an... xmen >.<

Yay prompt! Too bad everyone is probably playing skyrim... hmm.

[Dutchess]

GhostlyMaiden wrote...

renjility wrote...

*snip*

A Flaw with the game mechanics is that you gain rivalry too by being just an awful person, never understanding for his problems (saying he whines too much for instance) and taking that elf girl as a slave into your house. I'm having a hard time imagining a good and strong relationship like that. In that case you could only have some very strong physical attraction, but that should not be the nature of the Hawke-Fenris relationship. There has to be this respect, that's key in the rival relations. Just being unkind doesn't yield respect and is certainly not the foundation for an intimite relationship. Well, it shouldn't at least. At least one of the two persons in a relationship like that will end up unhappy.

As an interesting tidbit, a diplomatic Hawke can actually turn those rivalry points with Orana into neutral via the "what else she will do?" option. Hawke will reason that Orana doesn't have the strength and skill to survive on her own like Fenris can and thus she would be better off working for Hawke. Fenris grudgingly admits that Hawke has a point. The other two types of Hawke lack the reasoning ability and thus Fenris snaps at them for suggesting that a slave is all Orana is good for. In this sense, Orana may not be so much a slave as she is Hawke's ward.

That's interesting. I didn't know that. That's because I have only let my aggresive Hawke keep her as a slave. Still, I find it not believable that an ex-slave who is hurting from what he has been through in that life of slavery,would be able to be with someone with a "slaves are useful" attitude. As has been said before, the crucial thing in a rivalry relationship is that there still is this mutual respect. I don't see how Fenris could respect someone who keeps slaves. His opinion about magic can be challenged in a believable way, but slavery... Slavery is something that's just morally wrong. It goes beyond simply not agreeing on something. Still, you get rivalry points for this reaction and in game mechanics this means it gets you closer to the romance. 

@ Arquen: I can assure you it's not just flattering. It really is an amazing drawing. What kind of errors are you talking about? It really is Fenris in the picture. You nailed him. Seriously, I'm jealous. I wish I could draw like that! Maybe, some day, I will try....  But first things first. On with writing smut.  Still at the first kiss, bwahaha. But  I will get there. I'm not giving up. Lol, random Britney Spears song playing. "Let me break the ice . Well, I suppose it's fitting.

[UrsulaCousland]

Quick phone post...it's not flattery, Arquen. That expression is perfect. And Rei, no agonizing over yours either - I think it captures the emotion well!

And ooooo Serenity crossover - yes please! I won't get it done till next week (out of town currently) but I can't wait to write that!

[AbsoluteApril]

yay prompt! That sounds like a fun one!

So the email I sent to Mr Emery bounced back; I used the contact email that was straight off his own website, so that is weird.

I am enjoying the discussion on rivalmance (my favorite). I also don't see either backing down but rather a mutual respect for the other's point of view and knowledge that they probably can't change the other's mind about it... although still try from time to time. A heated exchange, resulting in some snark followed by passionate make out session.

H: "You’ll never see past that hatred."

F: "And you shall never accept how dangerous they are."

H: "I’ll show you dangerous!"

Hawke grabs Fenris’ arm pulling him close, his vibrant green eyes widen in surprise. She strains forward pressing her lips against his, the soft yet acrid scent of wine fills her senses. His eyes close as he yields to her embrace, his glowing rod... !! somebody stop me before I get to the magical fisting parts. Ok, yeah, I’m not a writer obviously but I have read my fair share of romance/smut.

edit to add - oh and I found this screenshot that shows Fenris' marks on the bottom of his chin. It was just something I had been trying to figure out.. happy day!

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 11 novembre 2011 - 04:53 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Eep, I have to be perfectly honest, and maybe I'm a love muffin, but ... I had tried to start a rivalromance with my mage Hawke, but when I got to Act 3, I just couldn't take it anymore! I hated how Fenris reacted to being given the Sword of Mercy! It was the last straw >.<

So I went back to an old save from Act 1 and replayed the friendship romance XD I'm so weak ;_;

[Heidenreich]

But, but.. the rivalmance is so SATISFYING at the end. It REALLY is. When he comes back to Hawke, It's like he's saying, "It doesn't matter to me that we don't see eye to eye. I might not believe in your cause, bit I believe in you, Hawke. I trust you, and respect you, and love you. I will never leave your side again."

That, to me, is why I like the rivalmance SO MUCH MORE. They balance each other, give each other perspective, and compliment each other far better then the "best friend/lovers FOREVER" side of the friendmance.

*nodnod*

[UrsulaCousland]

Heidenreich wrote...

But, but.. the rivalmance is so SATISFYING at the end. It REALLY is. When he comes back to Hawke, It's like he's saying, "It doesn't matter to me that we don't see eye to eye. I might not believe in your cause, bit I believe in you, Hawke. I trust you, and respect you, and love you. I will never leave your side again."

That, to me, is why I like the rivalmance SO MUCH MORE. They balance each other, give each other perspective, and compliment each other far better then the "best friend/lovers FOREVER" side of the friendmance.

*nodnod*

I"m weak too - I have to defend the Friendmance even though I've done this before and everyone has their own preferences and opinions, and my love of the friendmance is probably well known by now.

Disclaimer: 

Darn my real-life biases. IRL, I am a die-hard friendmancer, as more than a few here probably know. Just because I've been married to my best friend for over 14 years doesn't mean we never disagree on things, and that we haven't shaped each other in gradual but fundamental ways and generally for the better! <3 

Just making clear that I'm not trying to attack the rivalmance. I see its worth/appeal/value, and DAMN is rival Fenris a sexy beast! 

End disclaimer/moon/grinning-like-a-fool session

I think what I'm up against right now is that how the friendmace is written differs from how a friendmance really works (which is why I'm writing fic about it *lol*).  I agree that I do like the "I don't agree with you but I trust/appreciate/love you" aspect of the rivalmance, but I feel like it sells friendmancing short. However, this may also be one of the few places where I disagree with how the friendmance is written. 

I tend to apply my own biases towards what most of my Hawkes would do, which makes the Friendmance my preferred canon. Just because you're friends with someone doesn't mean you agree on everything. If doesn't necessarily mean things are going to always be bunnies and rainbows, either. In fact, one could argue that Fenris is one of the people who would be a friend (unromanced) if rivaled (I think most of us agree that in  his particular case, rival doesn't equal hated). Look at the Hadriana situation. Friend or rival, Fenris will explode at Hawke.  Even considering a friendship there, I can imagine a certain amount of "Now wait just a damn minute" going through my friendmancers' heads and that he's going to get called on it if he doesn't take the situation into his own  hands (which he will, friend-or-rivalmanced).   And, while I do love me some growly you-will-be-the-death-of-me rival Fenris, to me, the resonant emotional moments are the particularly sweet ones. 

Modifié par UrsulaCousland, 11 novembre 2011 - 08:49 .

[ReiSilver]

Heidenreich wrote...

But, but.. the rivalmance is so SATISFYING at the end. It REALLY is. When he comes back to Hawke, It's like he's saying, "It doesn't matter to me that we don't see eye to eye. I might not believe in your cause, bit I believe in you, Hawke. I trust you, and respect you, and love you. I will never leave your side again."

That, to me, is why I like the rivalmance SO MUCH MORE. They balance each other, give each other perspective, and compliment each other far better then the "best friend/lovers FOREVER" side of the friendmance.

*nodnod*

*nods in agreement*
I'm a sucker for opposites attract so I love the Fenris rivalmance

As for the gifts it probably says something about me that watching those scenes left me in stitches and I even said to my screen "Just think of the irony!" but in the end when it comes to the gifts it's all about context.
Not only is the gift of a Tevinter sword coming from someone who supports mages quite different to Fenris receiving it from someone who agrees with his view point, but if you want to find a silver lining to it you can read it as rivaled Fenris more completely cutting away from his past. He wants to leave Tevinter behind him so much that he's not even interested in using the sword as a little F-U/ironic joke. It's another step along the road of letting go of that hate and acknowledging that his own actions are part of that.

[Sialater]

I really want to Rivalmance both Fenris and Anders, but I don't really want to replay DA2 that many more times... LOL

[Arcane_Solona]

I'm a sucker for the friendmance myself. 5 playthroughs later and I still can't manage to force myself to go down the rivalmance route.

[Tashash]

[quote]tankgirly wrote...


THURSDAY PROMPT HAD RETURN!

Theme-Let's have some crossover again!:
a) Serenity.
.Skyrim.
c) X-Men First class.
d) Halo.


Don't forget to put your theme in bold on the top of your post.
Time: One week. [/quote][/quote]


*Drags self away from Skyrim*

Oh boy, oh boy - Prompts! And it totally helps that I had a dream about Fenris and Skyrim last night!

[darkrose]

UrsulaCousland wrote...

I"m weak too - I have to defend the Friendmance even though I've done this before and everyone has their own preferences and opinions, and my love of the friendmance is probably well known by now.

Disclaimer: 

Darn my real-life biases. IRL, I am a die-hard friendmancer, as more than a few here probably know. Just because I've been married to my best friend for over 14 years doesn't mean we never disagree on things, and that we haven't shaped each other in gradual but fundamental ways and generally for the better! <3 

Just making clear that I'm not trying to attack the rivalmance. I see its worth/appeal/value, and DAMN is rival Fenris a sexy beast! 

End disclaimer/moon/grinning-like-a-fool session

I think what I'm up against right now is that how the friendmace is written differs from how a friendmance really works (which is why I'm writing fic about it *lol*).  I agree that I do like the "I don't agree with you but I trust/appreciate/love you" aspect of the rivalmance, but I feel like it sells friendmancing short. However, this may also be one of the few places where I disagree with how the friendmance is written. 

I tend to apply my own biases towards what most of my Hawkes would do, which makes the Friendmance my preferred canon. Just because you're friends with someone doesn't mean you agree on everything. If doesn't necessarily mean things are going to always be bunnies and rainbows, either. In fact, one could argue that Fenris is one of the people who would be a friend (unromanced) if rivaled (I think most of us agree that in  his particular case, rival doesn't equal hated). Look at the Hadriana situation. Friend or rival, Fenris will explode at Hawke.  Even considering a friendship there, I can imagine a certain amount of "Now wait just a damn minute" going through my friendmancers' heads and that he's going to get called on it if he doesn't take the situation into his own  hands (which he will, friend-or-rivalmanced).   And, while I do love me some growly you-will-be-the-death-of-me rival Fenris, to me, the resonant emotional moments are the particularly sweet ones. 

I definitely agree.

I friendmanced Fenris with Julian purely by accident in Julian's first playthrough. I didn't get him until fairly late in Act 1 because I didn't realize that I had to do "Bait and Switch". I'd already done "Act of Mercy". When I did get him in the party, he tended to like Julian despite his being a mage because Julian's a moderate about mages, but hates slavery, and will always choose the "kill the slavers" option. 

But as I've mentioned before, they don't always agree on everything, which is one of the reasons I started writing fic after insisting that I wasn't going to write DA2. Some days, Julian just doesn't want to hear about how much mages who aren't him suck, and the only way I can address that is in fic. I think the friend/rival system is better than the approval/disapproval in Origins, but it tends to reward extremes. If I played Julian the way I actually see him, he'd never get to the romance because he'd spend the whole game hovering around the middle area.

[darkrose]

 I just read a lovely F!Hawke/Merrill kink meme fill--no, hear me out! :happy: --that was about Leandra being horribly racist while attempting to be culturally sensitive. Which got me to thinking about Fenris. The only one who comments on Hawke being involved with an elf is Gamlen.

Fenris isn't Dalish, but he's not really a city elf in the way the Tabris Warden is. I'm sure people notice that he's an elf, but it's not going to be the first thing you think about when you see him; that's the markings, and possibly, the glowing (which in that case is probably the last thing you see... ) His identity and his story seem to be centered on his being a former slave rather than his being an elf.

My first question is how important do you think being an elf is to Fenris. My second question is what kind of cultural baggage does your Hawke (game or fic)--who grew up in a town that was overwhelmingly human and didn't have an alienage--bring to the relationship? Does Hawke have a thing for elves? Does he inadvertently say something like "I don't think of you as elven?" Is Leandra worried about what people will say in a way that she wouldn't be with Isabela or Anders, who would be indistinguishable from any other human in the right clothes? 

[Arcane_Solona]

1) I don't think he regards being an elf as important as the Dalish do, but that may be a bad comparison because the Dalish are just so obsessed with being Dalish. From the way he acts and the way he comments about the alienage and the Dalish in general, I don't think being an elf matters that much to him. He just is. I don't think he takes any pride in being one.

2) Apart from the fact that my Hawke definitely has a thing for elves (particularly broody and tortured ones), that is most definitely not what attracts her to Fenris. Fenris attracts her to Fenris, nothing more, nothing less. She loves everything about him, and if everything about him were to be transferred to human form, she wouldn't mind one bit. The fact that he's an elf is merely an added bonus. And yeah, she doesn't think of him as "elven". She thinks of him as a person in his own right, and a wonderful, rare person at that.

3) About Leandra, I'd like to think that my Hawke's mother is a very open-minded person who raised her children to be open-minded as well. I see her as perhaps being a bit unsure about her daughter's relationship with Fenris, but more so because of his physical appearance and withdrawn/stoic demeanour than his race. I also see her as truly loving Fenris and embracing him as part of the family after she gets to know him and realises just how much Hawke adores him.

An interesting set of questions!

Modifié par Arcane_Solona, 12 novembre 2011 - 07:07 .

[Sealy]

New Chapter of Coffee, Black. It really says something about how much I adore you all that I came here to post the update before reading it myself.  

Chapter 46

Also don't forget to check her Tumblr account cause she has many fic request Coffee, Black ficlets on there! Coffee in my Veins