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[Arcane_Solona]

I LOVE YOU FLESHY! I REALLY, REALLY DO!!!! *squeeeeeeezes you sooooooo tight and showers you with kisses*

[Sealy]

I wubble you moar! *Snuggle times!*

*Bounces around* Om nom nom, slashy goodness! I love you public teasing Fen! I love you glittery Merril, I love you sad Andy, I love you coy Isabela and I love you Hawkward Hawke most of all, so adorable.

Top for Coffee, Black!


By Frikadeller

Modifié par Fleshdress, 12 novembre 2011 - 07:34 .

[Arcane_Solona]

OMG!!!!! THAT TOP MADE ME SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

Lets gets married, Fleshy. Lets get married NOW. You have officially made my day TWICE!!!

And chapter 46 is AMAZING!! Heck, amazing doesn't even cut it!!! The part when Fen walks into the room and everyone looks at him because he's just so damn perfect, and the way he has eyes only for Garrett.... Gaahhhhh that just gave me butterflies! And then hand on the thigh..... Jeeeez I'm in love with Fen almost as much as I'm in love with Fenris! 

I want me a Fen/Fenris 

Modifié par Arcane_Solona, 12 novembre 2011 - 12:28 .

[darkrose]

Fleshdress wrote...

New Chapter of Coffee, Black. It really says something about how much I adore you all that I came here to post the update before reading it myself.  

Chapter 46

Also don't forget to check her Tumblr account cause she has many fic request Coffee, Black ficlets on there! Coffee in my Veins

Ooh, thank you! I can't track individual threads on LJ, and I HATE trying to read threaded comments, so I've been waiting for her to update AO3. I had no idea there was anything after chapter 43.

[Arquen]

darkrose wrote...
My first question is how important do you think being an elf is to Fenris. My second question is what kind of cultural baggage does your Hawke (game or fic)--who grew up in a town that was overwhelmingly human and didn't have an alienage--bring to the relationship? Does Hawke have a thing for elves? Does he inadvertently say something like "I don't think of you as elven?" Is Leandra worried about what people will say in a way that she wouldn't be with Isabela or Anders, who would be indistinguishable from any other human in the right clothes?

So much to respond to! Wall-o-texting because I love these questions! Also, been on the road and so missed a night on the forums -- came home from work yesterday -- drove drove drove.. died of sleep deprivation.. and now finally have time to check in. LOL.

Which also means I still need to work on fic... gahh why I give myself deadlines! I can't ever meet them!

*ahem* To answer these questions dark rose...

1.) Being an elf is actually not important at all to Fenris other than the fact that he understands what they suffer. He makes a remark to Sir Thrask when he says something like "maybe you should ask one of your elven companions..." to which Fenris remarks "Not all of us live in one of your cages, Templar," and I go "F - yeah Fenris!" He also makes a remark to Merrill about how he "lived" it -- as far as the abuses and alienage lifestyle. I am quite certain he did live the life of an elf and an outcast elf at that when he was on the run from Danarius for 3 years. His short story has him remarking on how he regards other elven vagrants with disgust.

"Fenris paused and stared at the man in disgust. He’d thought to blend in more once he’d escaped the Imperium. In a land where elves were free, certainly one more elf would go unnoticed? He’d been a fool, of course. How was he to know that so many of his people would squander their freedom living like frightened cattle? If his only choices were to either dress as meekly as the local humans expected their elves to be, run off to find the wandering clans that grubbed in the dirt for whatever scraps the human kingdoms threw them, or to fight… then his choice was clear."

His view on the Dalish is clear - he does not like them and finds their ways arrogant. His remark to the Dalish hunter when he says that they are the last of the "people" -- "as you say, frequently" is very telling of how he disapproves of them. Especially since he is an elf and standing right there and then the Dalish hunter says "WE are the last," completely ignoring him in that statement. He also remarks to Merrill about the Dalish and cites how they don't really help anyone but themselves, and she argues they take in any elf, and he argues they only take in people who convert to their way of thinking. Another means of control, Fenris does not approve. None of these things are said to spark debate about the Dalish -- only to cite how Fenris feels about them.

As an elf himself he is probably apathetic towards any racism people would have. He was an elven slave and where slavery does not exist he would be better off than when he was in Tevinter, racism or no. Hell, he no doubt gets exponentially more respect and in his short story he describes people as being wary of him and intimidated by him. A lithe, lanky, elf with a sword the same height as himself strapped to his back. His strange markings. People just tend to avoid him -- "it was not the uncomfortable silence of human townsfolk being confronted with a strange elf covered in strange skin markings and carrying a large sword—rather it was the silence of men who knew trouble had just walked through the door and were now doing their best to pretend it didn’t exist. Fenris knew the difference very well."

Bottom line.. Fenris doesn't have any qualms about being an elf, but he doesn't fancy himself a vagrant like in the alienage (those meek elves disgust him somewhat), and he definitely does not like the Dalish. He is just an elf, but he really belongs nowhere and has no personal ties to his race. He was always a slave before being an elf.

2.) An interesting question, but I find it easy to answer. With mage Hawke she sees an elf as anyone else, and has no racism towards them. Moreso, an apostate would be more inclined to be less concerned with someone's race and background because they wouldn't want to be judged on their own. A warrior or rogue Hawke would have had experience fighting darkspawn and being in the army and knowing how others treated elves, no doubt. While this might allow them to harbor feelings of superiority, I think it would more than likely result in them seeing an ally in an elf. Especially one like Fenris who is a trained warrior and unique in so many ways. My Hawke's are more like Alistair in that regard. They just don't see elves as anything but the people they are. Not the race they are. My Warden was an elf and so couldn't really be racist against herself. My Cousland had a couple of issues, somewhat like Leliana where she probably mispoke to a few elves because she didn't know how to be "politically correct," but she never meant anything offensive, and if she did say something it was more out of societal conditioning than actual malice or racism.

Also, Hawke can remark on the fact Fenris is an elf, but she also remarks on the markings. In fact, Hawke sees the markings FIRST before she comments on the elf. Fenris introduces himself as "Fenris... a magister's lost property." Not an elf, and obviously "NOT A SLAVE." The elf part is commented on later, and so not the first thing Hawke notices nor does it seem to make a bit of difference in their interactions. My Hawke is not a pervy elf fancier, although some are I'm sure. Elves are just like anyone else, except my Hawke thinks they have been treated and still are treated very poorly. She sees Fenris as Fenris. It isn't about his elven-ness. It is about her interactions with him. For me it never is the physical appearance that draws my Hawke in (although that doesn't hurt in Fenris's case, LOL) it is the conversation and the personal story of Fenris that draws her. Likewise for my Warden and Alistair. She always knew there was something more to that man than what he was. As is the same with Fenris. My Hawke is simply curious and it drives her to want to know more about Fenris. Not "this elf," but "Fenris."


3.) Leandra -- she states that "those elves you hang out with are strange, aren't they?" My Hawke goes -- "what? you don't like my boyfriend with the markings? And Merrill.. she just likes to cut herself is all.. no big deal..." I see Leandra as being very lenient and hardly anyone to talk about awkward relationships or look down upon people who are "different." She makes the comment in a flat tone, not an accusing one, and it is more because they are 2 strange elves, and not simply because they are elves. She makes a comment about Isabela and plainly says "I'm not sure I like you hanging around with that pirate girl of yours." I'm not sure what she says about Anders, but she does not remark about anything related to Fenris other than "strange elves." Which, she seems more harsh on Isabela than on the elves. Kind of proving she at least doesn't care that Merrill and Fenris ARE elves. Only that they are a bit strange. She also doesn't voice disapproval.. only makes a comment. No, Leandra really doesn't seem to harbor any of this animosity or racism toward elves at all. After all.. even being a noble she knows what it is like to run away from everything and everyone because of love and she knows what it is to sacrifice things. She's lived in the "real world," and I doubt she would harbor ill feelings toward anyone, elf or not, who is just trying to get by.

Wall-O-TEXTING .. ahh I miss you guys

[sakera]

In regards to Leandra's view of elves, what do you make of her statement in regards to Orana --
"(Sighs) An elven slave? Maker's breath, I hope you know what you're doing."

Is she more put off by the slave part or the elven part?

[GhostlyMaiden]

darkrose wrote...

 I just read a lovely F!Hawke/Merrill kink meme fill--no, hear me out! :happy: --that was about Leandra being horribly racist while attempting to be culturally sensitive. Which got me to thinking about Fenris. The only one who comments on Hawke being involved with an elf is Gamlen.

Fenris isn't Dalish, but he's not really a city elf in the way the Tabris Warden is. I'm sure people notice that he's an elf, but it's not going to be the first thing you think about when you see him; that's the markings, and possibly, the glowing (which in that case is probably the last thing you see... ) His identity and his story seem to be centered on his being a former slave rather than his being an elf.

My first question is how important do you think being an elf is to Fenris. My second question is what kind of cultural baggage does your Hawke (game or fic)--who grew up in a town that was overwhelmingly human and didn't have an alienage--bring to the relationship? Does Hawke have a thing for elves? Does he inadvertently say something like "I don't think of you as elven?" Is Leandra worried about what people will say in a way that she wouldn't be with Isabela or Anders, who would be indistinguishable from any other human in the right clothes? 

Technically Leandra does have a comment directly related to a Hawke/Fenris relationship:

"I've seen the way you and that elf look at each other."

It's during the convo where she comments on how she should perhaps find a new lover, so you can miss the line easily if you talk to Leandra twice through at the beginning of Act 2. Her tone doesn't suggest disgust, more like amusement. I really can't see her as the type to dislike someone Hawke is interested in based solely on class or race considering she herself had run off with an apostate (for some Hawkes I like to imagine he's an elven apostate).

1st question has pretty much been answered by other posters. 2nd question sounds like a fun exercise. Also, I always had the impression that Hawke's childhood was akin to a military brat with having to move every few years to run from templars. Lothering just happened to be the last place they moved to, or tried to settle in because Leandra and Malcolm were getting old and weary of running.

Emilie Hawke is racially blind for the most part and judges people more on character.

Kiana Hawke has an elf fetish big time. She's not very flirtatious or overly nice to them because of it though and treats them the same way she would a human.

Hoan Hawke is somewhat shallow and can be easily fooled by a pretty face, including elves.

Curion Hawke has great sympathies towards elves (alienage and Dalish) and is willing to assist them in any way they would allow.

Alexis Hawke lumps everyone as tools and pawns regardless of class and race. Tools being people she can use and pawns being people who are expendable.  

[darkrose]

Arquen wrote...

*ahem* To answer these questions dark rose...

1.) Being an elf is actually not important at all to Fenris other than the fact that he understands what they suffer. He makes a remark to Sir Thrask when he says something like "maybe you should ask one of your elven companions..." to which Fenris remarks "Not all of us live in one of your cages, Templar," and I go "F - yeah Fenris!" He also makes a remark to Merrill about how he "lived" it -- as far as the abuses and alienage lifestyle. I am quite certain he did live the life of an elf and an outcast elf at that when he was on the run from Danarius for 3 years.

I had wondered about the "And I lived it" reference, and if he only stayed long enough at an alienage to realize he wasn't wanted there. A strange-looking, heavily armed and armored elft who clearly doesn't "know his place" would be dangerous to have around.

His short story has him remarking on how he regards other elven vagrants with disgust. "Fenris paused and stared at the man in disgust. He’d thought to blend in more once he’d escaped the Imperium. In a land where elves were free, certainly one more elf would go unnoticed? He’d been a fool, of course. How was he to know that so many of his people would squander their freedom living like frightened cattle? If his only choices were to either dress as meekly as the local humans expected their elves to be, run off to find the wandering clans that grubbed in the dirt for whatever scraps the human kingdoms threw them, or to fight… then his choice was clear."

Ooh, thank you for posting that. I had forgotten that bit, but it fits in perfectly with my mage!Hawke and his attitude that most mages are content to live in their cages, and he's only willing to help mages who've decided they want to be free. Fenris might actually understand that. 

As an elf himself he is probably apathetic towards any racism people would have. He was an elven slave and where slavery does not exist he would be better off than when he was in Tevinter, racism or no.

I also think it rarely comes up in game because he's traveling with Hawke & Co. If he were in, say, Denerim I can see it being more of an issue around people who have specific expectations about elves. I noticed that in MotA, he takes exception to being dismissed as "a manservant", presumably due to the shape of his ears. I can totally see someone like, say, Eamon looking at Fenris and assuming he was the help because well, that's what they do, right?

2.) An interesting question, but I find it easy to answer. With mage Hawke she sees an elf as anyone else, and has no racism towards them. Moreso, an apostate would be more inclined to be less concerned with someone's race and background because they wouldn't want to be judged on their own. A warrior or rogue Hawke would have had experience fighting darkspawn and being in the army and knowing how others treated elves, no doubt. While this might allow them to harbor feelings of superiority, I think it would more than likely result in them seeing an ally in an elf. Especially one like Fenris who is a trained warrior and unique in so many ways. My Hawke's are more like Alistair in that regard. They just don't see elves as anything but the people they are. Not the race they are.

Funny you mention Alistair, because he has a major racefail moment in the game when he asks nervously if they're going to risk getting mugged in the Alienage. I actually liked it, because no matter how sensitive someone is, no one's perfect. I've had to deliver more than one smack upside the head to white boyfriends who were trying to be funny and ended up sounding racist and clueless.

My mage Hawke has met maybe one or two elves in his entire life before coming to Kirkwall; so he doesn't really have any particular opinion on them as a group, other than "Elves aren't templars; cool!"  Leandra didn't raise them in a barn, so he's not going to casually drop the k-word in conversation. And as you said, his human privilege is largely negated by being an apostate.

However, after spending some time in Kirkwall, and interacting with elves in the Alienage and with the Dalish, and Merrill and Fenris, I think he'd become more aware of how humans generally treat elves, and he'd bend over backwards to prove that he wasn't like that. I have an idea for a fic where Fenris finally asks why Julian won't touch his ears during sex, and Julian gets all embarrassed and mumbles that he didn't want Fenris to think he had an elf fetish. Fenris tells him to get over it.

Also, Hawke can remark on the fact Fenris is an elf, but she also remarks on the markings. In fact, Hawke sees the markings FIRST before she comments on the elf. Fenris introduces himself as "Fenris... a magister's lost property." Not an elf, and obviously "NOT A SLAVE." The elf part is commented on later, and so not the first thing Hawke notices nor does it seem to make a bit of difference in their interactions. My Hawke is not a pervy elf fancier, although some are I'm sure. Elves are just like anyone else, except my Hawke thinks they have been treated and still are treated very poorly. She sees Fenris as Fenris. It isn't about his elven-ness. It is about her interactions with him. For me it never is the physical appearance that draws my Hawke in (although that doesn't hurt in Fenris's case, LOL) it is the conversation and the personal story of Fenris that draws her.

I'm not gonna lie: what drew Julian in was, "Damn, this guy is seriously hot, and Maker, that voice...and if he carries that sword he's got to be pretty strong...oh, wait--I'm supposed to say something here..."  Obviously, that's not going to be enough to keep him there in the face of Fenris's disdain for most mages, but the idea of learning more about the sexy guy is why he didn't just part ways with him after "Bait and Switch". 

Likewise for my Warden and Alistair. She always knew there was something more to that man than what he was.

Heh. My Tabris Warden loves Alistair to death. She fell for him originally because he moved from the "shem" category to "the only other Warden in Ferelden" She is also incredibly calculating, and put him on the throne and stayed as his mistress because having him in power with her telling him what to do giving him the occasional nudge was the best way she thought she could change the lot of her people. 

3.) Leandra -- she states that "those elves you hang out with are strange, aren't they?" My Hawke goes -- "what? you don't like my boyfriend with the markings? And Merrill.. she just likes to cut herself is all.. no big deal..." I see Leandra as being very lenient and hardly anyone to talk about awkward relationships or look down upon people who are "different." She makes the comment in a flat tone, not an accusing one, and it is more because they are 2 strange elves, and not simply because they are elves. She makes a comment about Isabela and plainly says "I'm not sure I like you hanging around with that pirate girl of yours." I'm not sure what she says about Anders, but she does not remark about anything related to Fenris other than "strange elves." Which, she seems more harsh on Isabela than on the elves. Kind of proving she at least doesn't care that Merrill and Fenris ARE elves. Only that they are a bit strange. She also doesn't voice disapproval.. only makes a comment. No, Leandra really doesn't seem to harbor any of this animosity or racism toward elves at all. After all.. even being a noble she knows what it is like to run away from everything and everyone because of love and she knows what it is to sacrifice things. She's lived in the "real world," and I doubt she would harbor ill feelings toward anyone, elf or not, who is just trying to get by.

Again, I don't think Leandra's intentionally racist, but even after being married to an apostate, she's almost certainly got some unexamined privilege. She probably wants to see Hawke settle down with an opposite-sex partner and give her some grandchildren, and ALL of the LI's (except Sebastian) are problematic in that regard. But Anders and Isabela could potentially pass as respectable, whereas most in their class (Act 2, of course) will never regard Fenris or Merrill as anything more than Hawke's elven bit on the side. And of course, what about the children! Since the "elf-blooded humans look completely human" thing seems to have changed, I have no trouble envisioning Leandra quietly worrying about how difficult it will be for those poor children with their slightly pointed ears and big eyes.

[Dutchess]

^^Yes, she says that after you've completed the Talk to Fenris quest at the beginning of act 2 and flirted with him during that quest. She certainly doesn't seem to dissapprove of Fenris and I don't think she has any issues with elves. She may be biased in the way many humans are, but the remark "if there's anything I've learned, it's that good people can be born in a hut as easily as in a palace" suggests she has learned to be quite open-minded. She doesn't have issues with dwarves either, considering se let Bodahn and Sandal stay in the mansion (sarcastic Hawke says "let me guess, this was mother's idea, wasn't it?" when talking to Bodahn in front of Vicount's Keep).

Modifié par renjility, 12 novembre 2011 - 04:37 .

[Arquen]

First off the Orana comment -- I think Leandra mostly means that as "you sure you want a SLAVE? here?" I don't really think it has anything to with Orana as an elf per say. Only that Hawke might be taking advantage of this poor, ex-slave, and Leandra hopes she/he knows what they are doing. At least that is how I read into it.

Second, in MotA the Manservant comment -- major red flags for someone who actually was a manservant to a magister. I never thought once it had anything to do with him being an elf. I mean, its obvious they chose that cover because it was convenient, but the Duke makes the comment all inclusive, not just to Fenris specifically. "I see you brought several manservants, fully armed. Good." -- Fenris just reacts badly because of his history. Understandably. What gets me is Varric says "elfservant, technically." That kind of made me go "ouch, Varric.. faux pas much?" because Varric is the one who makes the distinction, and nobody else. Though he is just teasing. Still, Fenris seems to be hung up more on the 'servant' thing than the elf thing. Again, understandably.

The Alistair thing.. it's true.. he has that facefall moment, but I see it more as one of those societal conditioning things. People are taught and learn that the alienage is full of thieves and is the "bad side" of town. Whether that is because of the elves or not is debatable, but I don't think Alistair was making a general racist statement about "elves are nothing but thieves and robbers and poor, desperate, scum!" More a "we are kind of in a dangerous place from what I've heard.. should we be worried?" It's still biased, but I don't think he was being deliberately racist, just naive. As I said.. my Cousland would no doubt slip up like that at times as well, without meaning offense at all.

Leandra explicitly sounds disapproving of Isabela -- if only because of reputation as a "bad girl" maybe. As I said I can't speak for Anders romance, but she never seems to appear disgusted or not approving of Fenris at all. She says "strange elves" and that quip about "you and that elf," (which I forgot to mention before, lol) Yet it isn't even said with the same venom as she says "that pirate girl of yours..." I'm not sure what she says about Sebastian either. As for grandchildren I don't think she ever mentions that she wants or cares to have any? It might be a thing, but she seems to be inclined more toward "be happy" then "you must produce an HEIR!" thing.

[Gervaise]

A Couple of things. I must admit I thought that when Fenris said "I lived it," he was referring to the fact that he had lived as a slave most of his life and therefore he knew what elves suffered, since that is what Merrill was criticising him about, that he didn't care what the alienage elves suffered.

The other thing is that Fenris in a way does think of himself as an elf when evaluating his sense of self worth. When Sebastian suggests he should come to Starkhaven with him to train soldiers, he replies that he doesn't think they would want an elf training them. This may be being realistic but it is interesting that Sebastian doesn't see Fenris as an elf, but a skilled warrior. Then on accepting that may be Fenris is right, he then suggests that instead he should train other elves. Again, this is unusual because on the whole humans don't think elves should be given military training. Fenris' resistance to this suggestion may be because he has little respect for alienage elves but I felt his self depreciation was genuine as was Sebastian's praise of his achievements.

Finally, Leandra doesn't say anything about Sebastian because he doesn't exist as a proper love interest. It never struck me that what she said about Fenris was an implied criticism of the romance, rather the reverse, though I must admit that when she was talking about match making earlier, my male Hawke in particular did feel under some pressure because he took it as a hint that Leandra did want some grandchildren and so he realised she was going to be disappointed.

[Arcane_Solona]

I wake up in the morning and the first thing I see (and read) is that record-breaking wall-O'-text by Arquen.

Only in the Fenris thread. Which is why I love you all soo darn much!

*hops off to have breakfast and work on fic before being consumed by studies*

[Annarl]

darkrose wrote...

 I just read a lovely F!Hawke/Merrill kink meme fill--no, hear me out! :happy: --that was about Leandra being horribly racist while attempting to be culturally sensitive. Which got me to thinking about Fenris. The only one who comments on Hawke being involved with an elf is Gamlen.

Fenris isn't Dalish, but he's not really a city elf in the way the Tabris Warden is. I'm sure people notice that he's an elf, but it's not going to be the first thing you think about when you see him; that's the markings, and possibly, the glowing (which in that case is probably the last thing you see... ) His identity and his story seem to be centered on his being a former slave rather than his being an elf.

My first question is how important do you think being an elf is to Fenris. My second question is what kind of cultural baggage does your Hawke (game or fic)--who grew up in a town that was overwhelmingly human and didn't have an alienage--bring to the relationship? Does Hawke have a thing for elves? Does he inadvertently say something like "I don't think of you as elven?" Is Leandra worried about what people will say in a way that she wouldn't be with Isabela or Anders, who would be indistinguishable from any other human in the right clothes? 

You know when I was playing I never really thought about it especially with Fenris.  I don't really know why.  Truthfully, I just was drawn to Fenris as a character.  In fact, I don't usually like elves in most rpgs because we're always told how beautiful and desireable they are, so being naturally contrary I don't usually pursue those romances.  But with DAO(Zevran), DA2 and my love for Iorveth I may have to re-think this. LOL 

 I never got the vibe about Leandra having any problems with Hawke's relationship with Fenris (or Merrill).  Her comments seemed to be said teasingly, IMHO.  The only strange comment was about Orana(sp?), oh no a slave line.  Which was really odd because Orana was never my slave in any of my games.  I always gave her a job.  But it is an interesting idea since elves are looked down upon in Thedas.

Now back to beta testing.

Modifié par omearaee, 13 novembre 2011 - 01:55 .

[Obsydian]

ok. so ... OMG I JUST FINISHED COFFEE, BLACK! omg omg omg. and wow. SO GOOD. i feel inspired to doodle so much from that.

the sad part is that the Hawke in that particular story reminds me of a male version of me. Only I"m not very tall. I'm a bit awkward and very insecure like that. Also, I work in coffee. Maybe it means I'll get a Fen at some point.

I'm also on Chapter 5 of Wolf's Imprint and its fantastic and so damned cute as well!

Regarding the current question.... I don't see my Hawke bringing much cultural baggage into a relationship. *shrug* Though, I think he finds the ears rather sexy and probably likes to touch them.

and Leandra... I can see her loving Fenris.

[Madame Rose Crimsynn]

*Comes back from 19 hours of Skyrim*

*Rocks back and forth* I joined the Stormcloaks for cool armor; I killed so many Fenris-voiced men as payment for it.

CONSOLATION PRIZE-- You're horrible! *Sobs and goes back to read posts so maybe I'll feel better*

[sakera]

darkrose's comment about the glowing reminded me of a recent screencap I have ... it is when Hawke & company run into Gascard again (after my mum is murdered) ... I ask Fenris what he would do to him ... and he proceeds to show me ... course the glowing wasn't the last thing that Gascard saw ... actually it was my Rogue Assassin F!Hawke shoving her dagger in his bloody (mage) heart!!

[SurrealSadi]

May not be Fenris, but it's Louvette:

[Arcane_Solona]

@Obsydian Yay!!!! You are now officially part of the Coffee, Black fan club! It is the best fanfic I have ever read in my entire 19 years of living. Maker, I value that story SO much!

And you work in coffee!!! You never know, your very own Fen might walk into your cafe someday at 9:05 and you'll be our real-life female Garrett  And we'll be your wingmen:P

It's so sweet of you to be reading my ficcie as well! I am so glad you like it! It's nothing in comparison to Coffee, Black, but maybe someday my work will reach that calibre.

Modifié par Arcane_Solona, 13 novembre 2011 - 04:49 .

[Tashash]

Madame Rose Crimsynn wrote...

*Comes back from 19 hours of Skyrim*

*Rocks back and forth* I joined the Stormcloaks for cool armor; I killed so many Fenris-voiced men as payment for it.

CONSOLATION PRIZE-- You're horrible! *Sobs and goes back to read posts so maybe I'll feel better*

*Is smug*

I haven't chosen a side. I keep clicking on random Imperial Soldiers in case they're Fenris-voiced.

[CuriousArtemis]

aldien wrote...

So, Hawke and Fenris have a sex scene in your story. The person
is usually pretending to be Hawke in their mind. They don't care, to a degree,
what you think. They want Fenris to love them. That's all they care about.
Humans are selfish that way. It's self preservation. That is not to say they
don’t appreciate what you have written. But they want the romance with him. Isn’t
that why we share it with others? We want them to feel and understand how we
love him too? Maybe that’s just me.

I admit it is difficult to write smut, especially the first few times. But,
once you get over the embarrassment, it really is a freeing experience. I hope
those who are attempting it don't give up due to embarrassment. At the end of
the day, it's fun. Sex is normal and reading heavy romance about your favorite
mythical characters is a joy. Try not to overanalyze it too much. Just have fun.

I didn't want to quote your whole post b/c I thought it would make my own too long, and I'm kind of new to the forums, so I dunno if there are rules relating to overly long and overly quoted posts XD

About writing or reading love scenes, though.  1. I never put myself in the scene (that seems very bizarre to me), and 2. I never found sex difficult to write, except maybe in high school.  Yeah, obviously that's because I was not at all experienced, but even before I got a little, ahem, experience under my belt, I still found writing sex unproblematic.   I think writing a love scene is really about your experience as a writer, and what you can bring to the table (how far can you impress your reader?).  

So anyway, by this point, I've written so many love scenes that I'm quite sick of them!  Who knows if I'll ever find the stomach to write another XD

darkrose wrote...

My first question is how important do you think being an elf is to Fenris. My second question is what kind of cultural baggage does your Hawke (game or fic)--who grew up in a town that was overwhelmingly human and didn't have an alienage--bring to the relationship? Does Hawke have a thing for elves? Does he inadvertently say something like "I don't think of you as elven?" Is Leandra worried about what people will say in a way that she wouldn't be with Isabela or Anders, who would be indistinguishable from any other human in the right clothes? 

Wow, such great answers you guys give 

1. I think it is more important than he would openly admit.  Fenris struggles to figure out who he is.  The extreme form of slavery he suffered under (which included the complete loss of his memory) literally erased his identity.  He unconsciously clings to anything that can help him understand who and what he is.

2. My Hawke fell in love with the man, not the elf.  I think Hawke finds Fenris' elven features cute, but that's all.  If he were human, he'd love him just as much.  He'd just be a very cute (and grumpy) human XD

I also think Hawke would sense that Fenris is curious about his heritage (Fenris is a bit of a history/culture nerd, you know), and he would find him books and lore and everything he could think of involving the elves.  Fenris would probably complain about it, but he'd appreciate it, in his own way.

3. I don't think Leandra is worried at all.  Her life as a peasant has put life into perspective for her (she says so herself).  She is just happy her son has found someone who makes him happy.

(This is my canon Hawke and his story, of course)

Modifié par motomotogirl, 13 novembre 2011 - 09:35 .

[Annarl]

Madame Rose Crimsynn wrote...

*Comes back from 19 hours of Skyrim*

*Rocks back and forth* I joined the Stormcloaks for cool armor; I killed so many Fenris-voiced men as payment for it.

CONSOLATION PRIZE-- You're horrible! *Sobs and goes back to read posts so maybe I'll feel better*

I know. Skyrim and I got to beta test SW:TOR.  I didn't know what to play first.

[Heidenreich]

FOR ARQUEN. HAPPY BIRTHDAY HUNNI.

“So, your Mother tells me that it is your Name day, Hawke.” Fenris states in a rather flat tone.

“What?” she blinks, not at all expecting him to talk to her. He hasn’t said a word to her in some days now. Instead deflecting questions and opinions to Varric or Isabela. “Since when do you speak with my mother?”

He smirks, though it’s almost a real smile, “She stops by the mansion twice a week to being me baked goods. She’s… I like her.”

Hawke rolls her eyes, but there is a smile there. Her mother did have a soft spot for her friends. Most of them anyway. She was more vocal about her dislike for Isabela, “YOU like someone? And here I thought you loathed every person in Thedas.”

He chuckles, “Yes well, there is something about baked goods that over powers even my most deep rooted need for solitude.”

They are silent for a moment. Just looking at one another. She shifts in her chair, wondering if Varric is ever going to come back, or if the others are going to show up soon. Maybe sooner then later, because she’s uncharacteristically uncomfortable with him staring at her.

“I, your point?” she snarks, breaking the silence and doing her best to cloak herself in bitterness. She wasn’t entirely sure she was going to be able to forgive him for walking out on her. Not that she was some moping girl all heart broken, crying in some corner. No, if he left, and she was a mistake then it was his loss.

“I, just wanted to know if there were any plans to celebrate.” His smirky smile is gone, replaced with his usual flat mask.

“Maker, I hope not. Be a friend and don’t tell Varric or Isabela. The last thing I need is the two of them getting ideas,” she rolled her eyes and put her mug to her lips.

“I… do not remember my name day. It, just seems to me that if you have one to remember that it should be something to celebrate,” He adds, reflection and a hint of sadness in his voice. It is more vulnerable a statement then he’s shown her before. Well, before that night at any rate.

It takes her aback slightly. She shifts uncomfortably in her seat. Where the maker was Varric, anyway? “That sounds suspiciously like something my mother would say before she bursts into the room with Cake and chocolate.”

“Hmm, your mother is an interesting woman, I will give her that,” the smirk is back again, and there is affection in his eyes. He turns his head, staring at the stone table. “I just, wanted to wish you happy Name day. And warn you, that Varric is outside the door way with a cake in his hands.”

“Well way to go and ruin all our fun, Fenris. Spoil sport,” Isabela’s disappointed voice wafts into the room, causing Hawke to stiffen in her chair. The tell-tail chuckle of Varric is behind that followed by Anders’ exasperated sigh.

“Happy name day, Hawke! Oh this is so exciting. We never celebrated name days with my clan. When do we get to squish the cake between our toes?” Merrill asks.

“What? Squish it between your toes? Who… Varric,” Aveline’s disaproving voice floats over everyone elses heads as the whole lot of them enter the room.

“So I may have embellished the details a bit,” Varric chuckles before plopping into his chair.

“No Kitten, we don’t squish the cake, we eat it,” Isabela says as she places the glowing cake in front of Hawke. There’s a kiss planted on her cheek, and Isabela looks a bit like a very pleased cat, or a very pleased pirate.

Hawke groans inwardly as Anders takes a seat beside her. He had been the only one who she’d told. She glares daggers at him, figuring this whole mess had to be his fault… He holds his hands up in innocence, “Hey, don’t look at me. It was his idea.”

Wide eyed, Hawke swings her gaze back towards Fenris. He is giving her that insufferable smirk again, his eyes heavy-lidded. He leans forward, the smirk turning into a rare full smile, “Happy name-day, Hawke.”

[Arquen]

I you so much Heiden -- as I said on the TUMBLR, but still...

*huggles* Fenris for my birfday!! Oh you...! <3

Just zooming in to post MY present to Rei, and whoever else may be interested.

My first M/M fic, don't worry.. nothing smutty.. yet? --- Caught in the Rain - a fic about her Marric Hawke and Fenris.

Based on THIS:


I will add other chapters. I you Rei... and I loved writing Marric! Hope you like it!

[Sealy]

Awww, that was so good Arquen. Marric is such a little... brat Lol. Can't wait for more!

[UrsulaCousland]

That was adorable. Moar please!