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[Arcane_Solona]

@Arquen- I've got a stupid exam in less than 2 hours, but I'll make sure to read your latest fic as soon as I'm done! Looking forward to it, brain twin

[ReiSilver]

Arquen wrote...

I you so much Heiden -- as I said on the TUMBLR, but still...

*huggles* Fenris for my birfday!! Oh you...! <3

Just zooming in to post MY present to Rei, and whoever else may be interested.

My first M/M fic, don't worry.. nothing smutty.. yet? --- Caught in the Rain - a fic about her Marric Hawke and Fenris.

Based on THIS:


I will add other chapters. I you Rei... and I loved writing Marric! Hope you like it!

OMG *flails* Thank you, thank you, thank you! I'm home sick today since it hurts to talk and I had dizzy spells at work yesturday and this has just made my day so much! I love it, you're so good at writing in Fenris' voice and it was so sweet at the end! d'aaawwww. Not to mention I'm so thrilled you had fun with it and want to write more!
I'll be sure to send you some sketches soon~ Happy birthday!

[Tashash]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY BETA GODDESS!!!!!!!!

*Showers you with glitter and confettii and huggles*

@Heiden - that was so damn cute! And Fenris was so...Fenris-y.

[Arcane_Solona]

I came across this and I couldn't help but share it.

In honour of Coffee, Black:



Fen's leafy Sunday Special, anyone?

Modifié par Arcane_Solona, 14 novembre 2011 - 03:38 .

[Arcane_Solona]

Arquen wrote...

I you so much Heiden -- as I said on the TUMBLR, but still...

*huggles* Fenris for my birfday!! Oh you...! <3

Just zooming in to post MY present to Rei, and whoever else may be interested.

My first M/M fic, don't worry.. nothing smutty.. yet? --- Caught in the Rain - a fic about her Marric Hawke and Fenris.

Based on THIS:


I will add other chapters. I you Rei... and I loved writing Marric! Hope you like it!

 I absolutely love it! *rushes off to post a review on AO3*

Modifié par Arcane_Solona, 14 novembre 2011 - 04:36 .

[darkrose]

Happy (somewhat belated) Birthday, Arquen!

[Arquen]

8 HOURS!... I blame skyrim...

Also, I may be slightly umm.. tipsy at the moment.

So pleased you loved my story! Especially Rei! I was really hoping I did Marric justice. I pretty much just kept asking myself "what would snarky Hawke say?" LMAO. Also, the rivalmance is kind of a new thing for me. I had a bit of a fic with my aggro rivalmance Hawke, but I kind of abandoned it. Writing this was really fun, and yeah I kind of had a little plan with it, and will be writing more!

Also, is it sad that I can't get this obsession out of my head!? Here I am out with friends doing things I used to do all the time, and my mind keeps wandering to Fenris, and Dragon Age in general. W.T.F. *sigh*

[UrsulaCousland]

 Happy birthday, Arquen! 

I'm afraid I don't have anything custom done, but I do have this cute MarricXFenris from Rei, which I thought really fit well with your fic in a way,

[Obsydian]

Happy birthday, Arquen! Even though I'm late.... lol. Hope it was great.
I'm avoiding Skyrim... to be honest. I already have too many things taking up my time, and am already having trouble being motivated to do my homework. ...... damn you DA2.

and Solana! I'm not that cool when it comes to coffee, lol. but those are some great Sunday Specials.... I want one.

[Sialater]

darkrose wrote...

 I just read a lovely F!Hawke/Merrill kink meme fill--no, hear me out! :happy: --that was about Leandra being horribly racist while attempting to be culturally sensitive. Which got me to thinking about Fenris. The only one who comments on Hawke being involved with an elf is Gamlen.

Fenris isn't Dalish, but he's not really a city elf in the way the Tabris Warden is. I'm sure people notice that he's an elf, but it's not going to be the first thing you think about when you see him; that's the markings, and possibly, the glowing (which in that case is probably the last thing you see... ) His identity and his story seem to be centered on his being a former slave rather than his being an elf.

My first question is how important do you think being an elf is to Fenris. My second question is what kind of cultural baggage does your Hawke (game or fic)--who grew up in a town that was overwhelmingly human and didn't have an alienage--bring to the relationship? Does Hawke have a thing for elves? Does he inadvertently say something like "I don't think of you as elven?" Is Leandra worried about what people will say in a way that she wouldn't be with Isabela or Anders, who would be indistinguishable from any other human in the right clothes? 

I'd like to point out that Lothering has an Alienage.  When you play a Surana and you're talking to that grumpy elf who's reading that big book in the library, you can pick Denerim, Lothering, or "I don't remember, "  as your origin.  We never again hear about the Lothering Alienage, only the Highever one, which is why it stood out to me.

And uh, Happy Belated, Arquen!

Modifié par Sialater, 14 novembre 2011 - 03:53 .

[alexa_025]

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but I was playing Skyrim and met an imperial soldier on the road...who has Fen's voice. I dunno, I just couldn't help but squee a little.

[Reinara]

alexa_025 wrote...

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but I was playing Skyrim and met an imperial soldier on the road...who has Fen's voice. I dunno, I just couldn't help but squee a little.

rofl I think he pretty much voiced at least 50% of the legion because like... every where and every quest I do involving the imperial army, I keep hearing him. And I think I hear sebastian's voice actor here and there in the rebel army. there's also a corpse of a guy named anders in one of the quest too. it's kinda hilarious.

[AbsoluteApril]

HAPPY (belated) BIRTHDAY ARQUEN!!!
*Fenris raises a glass bottle in your honor*
Hope it was a great one!

***

I'm holding off on getting Skyrim for a while, too many other games to play plus getting all my shepards ready for ME3 is keeping me busy. I got stuck on some stupid fight in DA2 with the difficulty down to CASUAL and still can't get through, freakin' casual! gah how frustrating.

Up to chapter 16 on Coffee Black and realized, not the best fic to read while at work, blushing at my PC

[Obsydian]

OMG April i KNOW1!! I tried reading it while my bf was in the room... and he kept giving me funny looks.
course, i was either giggling, crying or ..... blushing ... yes. lol.

[Annarl]

Arquen wrote...

8 HOURS!... I blame skyrim...

Also, I may be slightly umm.. tipsy at the moment.

So pleased you loved my story! Especially Rei! I was really hoping I did Marric justice. I pretty much just kept asking myself "what would snarky Hawke say?" LMAO. Also, the rivalmance is kind of a new thing for me. I had a bit of a fic with my aggro rivalmance Hawke, but I kind of abandoned it. Writing this was really fun, and yeah I kind of had a little plan with it, and will be writing more!

Also, is it sad that I can't get this obsession out of my head!? Here I am out with friends doing things I used to do all the time, and my mind keeps wandering to Fenris, and Dragon Age in general. W.T.F. *sigh*

Skyrim is huge! 

I hope you had a great birthday!

[Harle Cerulean]

Ugh, I want Skyrim so much, but being a super-poor college student does not lend to buying games. I'm getting it for Christmas, at least, but waiting if torture.

On Fenris and what his race means to him: "Considering all that magic has done to my homeland and my race, I weep for your predicament."

He quite clearly identifies as an elf, to me; he simply doesn't like most other elves. The Dalish are stuck up and concerned with pointless things (in his opinion), and city elves too meekly accept the place humans give them of being lesser (again, in his opinion). So I've always thought Fenris would be very displeased by racism (and while we're speaking of racism, hello, Anders, calling Fenris a dog and a beast), and react poorly when he witnesses it/it's directed at him. For example, Thrask's unwitting racism in assuming that Fenris must live in the elf ghetto because he's an elf, and Fenris' sharp retort.

I also think that Hawke cannot help but be affected in some way by Fenris' race. An apostate may feel drawn to him because Fenris is also an 'outcast' from society, but it should be borne in mind that being an apostate does not negate being human; who do you think has an easier time of it, a human apostate, or an elven apostate, hm? I'm a woman and bisexual, but that doesn't mean that the privilege I have by being white is negated by the disadvantages of not being male and straight.

Hawke is human. He/she has privilege as a result of this. Hawke may or may not be concious of it - as an apostate, and/or the child and sibling of apostates, it's possible that they are aware of privilege, since they see other people who have the privilege of not being from a magical family. However, even if the concept is familiar to them, it's also possible they're ignorant of the privilege humans have over elves, since they most likely had minimal experience with what elves experience. (This could be different for a headcanon Hawke where Malcolm was an elf, but unless/until canon states that Malcolm was anything other than human, I assume human is canon, because due to the racism in the game world, if Malcolm had been an elf, it would have been a factor worthy of dedicating some dialogue to - most especially with the elven romances!)

What we see of Hawke in-game suggests that he/she is at the least not strongly prejudiced against elves. There's no "I don't work with elves" options. Everything else is largely up to interpretation and what we want to craft for Hawke. A Hawke who rivals Merrill could be seen as being condecending and paternalistic towards Merrill because of a belief in his/her human superiority, or as genuinely concerned for Merrill as a friend and equal who disagrees with blood magic.

I have troubles believing that Hawke could be completely unaffected by the prevailing prejudices of the world. But there's a continuum from "aware and honestly trying hard not to let their enculturation trip them up" to "ignorant racist" that's, in my opinion, entirely possible within canon. The only thing I'd count out as possible canon is "actively, malevolently racist."

[Cosmochyck]

sakera wrote...

In regards to Leandra's view of elves, what do you make of her statement in regards to Orana --
"(Sighs) An elven slave? Maker's breath, I hope you know what you're doing."

Is she more put off by the slave part or the elven part?

Sorry I thought the comment was always directed at Fenris - as in my relationship with him!  I'm positive I've had her say that before I've ever even had Orana in the house! 

Am I mistaken?  I assumed she was put off with my relationship with Fenris because then that means no "nobleman" for me

Like MRC, I'm taking a quick pop in from Skyrim - fortunately I haven't chosen sides either (@Tash) and I have only heard Fenris once!  And I couldn't exactly see who it was but I fear he died horribly.

[UrsulaCousland]

Cosmochyck wrote...

sakera wrote...

In regards to Leandra's view of elves, what do you make of her statement in regards to Orana --
"(Sighs) An elven slave? Maker's breath, I hope you know what you're doing."

Is she more put off by the slave part or the elven part?

Sorry I thought the comment was always directed at Fenris - as in my relationship with him!  I'm positive I've had her say that before I've ever even had Orana in the house! 

Am I mistaken?  I assumed she was put off with my relationship with Fenris because then that means no "nobleman" for me

Like MRC, I'm taking a quick pop in from Skyrim - fortunately I haven't chosen sides either (@Tash) and I have only heard Fenris once!  And I couldn't exactly see who it was but I fear he died horribly.

Hahaha - I actually snagged that into head!canon a while ago - not necessarily that Leandra was put off because of Fenris, but because of the no-nobleman bit. 

Heh, now that I re-read that, it needs revisions. Ah well. Maybe during winter (school) break when I have time...

[UrsulaCousland]

Grrr...Double-post. Have a Fenris (from our own Tealsie!)

Modifié par UrsulaCousland, 15 novembre 2011 - 12:18 .

[Arcane_Solona]

Because we can never have enough Fenris ToPs:

By ~maruhana-bachi 

EDIT: Only realised halfway through running my ass off at the gym that I totally forgot to credit the artist! Woopsie!

Modifié par Arcane_Solona, 15 novembre 2011 - 02:11 .

[ReiSilver]

I've seen a few of the posts about Fenris' thoughts on the Dalish but I'd also like to point out that's he's a bit of a snob about them himself as well as seeing them as arrogant. Both in his short story and in game when you take him to the camp he makes disparaging comments about living in 'dirt'.
He's very much someone most comfortable in the city and I could see how living in Tevinter with it's grand towers he'd see living in mansions and such as the best way to live and 'living off the land' as something to be endured and/or looked down on.

Modifié par ReiSilver, 15 novembre 2011 - 01:42 .

[Arquen]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Ugh, I want Skyrim so much, but being a super-poor college student does not lend to buying games. I'm getting it for Christmas, at least, but waiting if torture.

On Fenris and what his race means to him: "Considering all that magic has done to my homeland and my race, I weep for your predicament."

He quite clearly identifies as an elf, to me; he simply doesn't like most other elves. The Dalish are stuck up and concerned with pointless things (in his opinion), and city elves too meekly accept the place humans give them of being lesser (again, in his opinion). So I've always thought Fenris would be very displeased by racism (and while we're speaking of racism, hello, Anders, calling Fenris a dog and a beast), and react poorly when he witnesses it/it's directed at him. For example, Thrask's unwitting racism in assuming that Fenris must live in the elf ghetto because he's an elf, and Fenris' sharp retort.

I also think that Hawke cannot help but be affected in some way by Fenris' race. An apostate may feel drawn to him because Fenris is also an 'outcast' from society, but it should be borne in mind that being an apostate does not negate being human; who do you think has an easier time of it, a human apostate, or an elven apostate, hm? I'm a woman and bisexual, but that doesn't mean that the privilege I have by being white is negated by the disadvantages of not being male and straight.

Hawke is human. He/she has privilege as a result of this. Hawke may or may not be concious of it - as an apostate, and/or the child and sibling of apostates, it's possible that they are aware of privilege, since they see other people who have the privilege of not being from a magical family. However, even if the concept is familiar to them, it's also possible they're ignorant of the privilege humans have over elves, since they most likely had minimal experience with what elves experience. (This could be different for a headcanon Hawke where Malcolm was an elf, but unless/until canon states that Malcolm was anything other than human, I assume human is canon, because due to the racism in the game world, if Malcolm had been an elf, it would have been a factor worthy of dedicating some dialogue to - most especially with the elven romances!)

What we see of Hawke in-game suggests that he/she is at the least not strongly prejudiced against elves. There's no "I don't work with elves" options. Everything else is largely up to interpretation and what we want to craft for Hawke. A Hawke who rivals Merrill could be seen as being condecending and paternalistic towards Merrill because of a belief in his/her human superiority, or as genuinely concerned for Merrill as a friend and equal who disagrees with blood magic.

I have troubles believing that Hawke could be completely unaffected by the prevailing prejudices of the world. But there's a continuum from "aware and honestly trying hard not to let their enculturation trip them up" to "ignorant racist" that's, in my opinion, entirely possible within canon. The only thing I'd count out as possible canon is "actively, malevolently racist."

Thank you Harle! As always, bringing in more good debate topics.

I agree with parts, but disagree slightly with some things. While I agree Fenris does identify as an elf (he really has no choice in this) I don't think the heritage weighs on him all that much. I don't see him relating to others as an elf, and I don't really see him identifying with the plight of elves. I also don't think he has much capacity for empathy when it comes to other elves or anybody else who "chooses" to live the way they do. Mostly because of the reasons you state, and his own opinions. Also because I think he doesn't really identify with the other elves. Probably because they see him as others in Tevinter saw him - outcast and intimidating. His short story has people cowering away from him. As I said he sees himself as a slave first, and when he sees how the "free elves" live it is not something he wants for himself.

That being said I also don't think he would really get involved in the politics or rebelling of the elven alienages (if that ever happened). While he responds poorly to outright racism such as Thrask when it is directed at him, he doesn't really interject when people are being racist around him or to other elves. The knife-ear comments made or saying something about Kelder other than "he sees the truth of it," and "she is a child.." Nothing about the fact he preys on elves specifically.

He mentions knowing a bit about elven history in Merrill's Act 3 quest when she mentions about the demon being put in the statue when Tevinter took over the area.
"I've heard of this... A final, vengeful strike. They unleashed chaos upon this mountain to teach our people that resistance was futile."

There is also a hidden gem in his voice pack..
"Let me show you my homeland, or the ruins of Arlathan, and then you may speak of drama." -- I do wonder who he was talking to here... hmmm.

Point being here that while he mentions his elven history and heritage, it is always connected with his "homeland" of Tevinter. Mention elves and alienages and he states he dislikes them and "I do not live in the alienage," but mention slavery and that is his hot button topic right there. So while I think he sees himself as an elf (again because he doesn't really have a choice in this) he is a slave first and the plight of slaves is probably more important to him than the plight of elves, and especially more important to him than the plight of the Dalish.

As for Hawke -- it has always been one of the sort of downfalls in DA2 that Hawke cannot react or say things about elves like the Warden could. Leliana especially did have that ignorant racism going on, but I don't really fault her for it because she meant no offense. Just societal conditioning and she worked to change it. Hawke may not be very aware of what the elves suffer because she/he has never directly suffered as they have, but I don't think that would make them completely ignorant of what elves go through in the world. Everyone knows about alienages and how the elves live. Whether there are bias or stigmas or stories that your Hawke believes surrounding these things it is never indicated in the game that Hawke has ANY qualms or issues or even problems with elves. Even the Kelder quest when the father comes up to you and you choose to help or not help him. If you help him he remarks that few humans would care about the plight of an elf, and if you don't he remarks that your just like every other human. Sort of the only place where you actually get that race differential, but it really has nothing to do with your Hawke's choices. Head!Canon is different though -- you can Head!canon anything you want.

Personally I don't head!canon anything I don't see in game evidence for. If my Hawke had some kind of line about alienages -- had the option to call elves knife-ears, or even bring up the race differences between herself/himself and others -- "I don't care that your an elf, Fenris/Merrill," but they don't. So I see no reason for them to even recognize elves as different from others. Hawke doesn't not help Feynriel's mother because she is from the alienage. Hawke doesn't turn away helping Huon's wife because she is an elf. Nor does Hawke remark on any of the elves being elves in game. It just.. never comes up.. one way or another. So I can't agree that "ignorant racist" is possible because I absolutely see no evidence of racism at all in Hawke. Priviledge of being a human, sure, but that does not automatically indicate racism or looking down upon others less fortunate. Also, I never saw rivaling Merrill as anything having to do with her elven heritage or Dalish heritage. It was always about her reasons for using the tool and fixing the blood mirror. Hawke doesn't say anything about how she shouldn't have it because she's Dalish, but because it is a bad idea to mess with a killer mirror.

Sorry, wall-o-texting again.

[Arcane_Solona]

@Arquen- Couldn't have said it better myself.

EDIT (off-topic): All this talk about Skyrim! And now my brother (who introduced me to the world of Dragon Age back in '09 and hence started this addiction) barges in and tells me that I MUST get Skyrim because it's "totally my kind of game".

Gah! And I'm in exam mode! Darn it! I'm still gonna end up buying it anyway. Maybe even today. Screw examsB)

Modifié par Arcane_Solona, 15 novembre 2011 - 04:33 .

[Arquen]

8 hours again people!? The forums is dead

Yeah, Skyrim is "the thing" right now, and while I *AM* playing it as well.. I'm not.. loving it. I must be the ONLY one in the world who is just kind of *meh* with it and not "OMGOMGOMG." I wasn't a fan of Oblivion either. These giant sandbox RPG games just don't do it for me.

I was having this conversation about why I like Dragon Age ( and consequently Fenris) moreso than other RPGs and RPG characters. We went back/forth about how we like the story and get attached to the characters within the story. In games like Skyrim it is almost impossible for me to really feel connected to anyone, even my own character. I keep asking myself "what's my motivation? Why do I care?" It makes it really hard for me to give a crap about random NPC #2 and their "problems." Plus there is only so much STEAL ALL THE THINGS and KILL ALL THE THINGS I can take before I am just.. bored.

With games like Dragon Age it is like you are in the story. I immediately identified with Hawke, I immediately cared about Varric, and Fenris, and Anders and all the companions. I wanted to know their stories. I wanted to explore the options. ALL OF THE OPTIONS.

We also got to talking about how we both like characters like Fenris. Those that struggle against a darkness inside of them, and yet somehow find the strength of will to come out rather normal. Those characters who are literally on the edge of becoming villains, and sometimes you sit back and you wonder WHY? "Why isn't Fenris more angry? Why didn't he just go KILL ALL THE MAGES THOSE BASTARDS LOOK WHAT THEY DID TO ME!?" Yet, he doesn't. He isn't even close to that. Those kind of characters intrigue me, and are a personal interest of mine. Anti-heros in general, but I love the dark and tortured yet struggling to be better trope. Whereas I don't really enjoy the hero character at all. I don't like the badass with a heart of gold as much as I like the overcoming the struggle within oneself. I also like characters who are willing to do evil to stop evil, and I don't like heros as I said.

Fenris just sort of hit all those right things, and when I play other games that don't have such rounded out stories and companions, I find it hard to care about what is going on in the world. The quest for "power" alone is not enough for me I guess.

As for me... I'm playing Skyrim (off and on because I really am giving it the ole' college try), but also enjoying Modern Warfare 3.

I just fear that the forums may be dead for a while. Though they have been on a slow decline for a while.

Going back to work as well. Will check in when I can. Much my fellow Fenris fans.

[tankgirly]

They are all off playing Skyrim XD, Arquen. I've made up my mind not purchase any game until Mass Effect 3 is out...unless there is another DAII DLC out. At the moment I manage to get myself hook on Firefly/Serenity series. Very late, I know. But it's never too late to join the browncoat. XDDDD