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[Arcane_Solona]

Fleshdress wrote...

I always though of Fenris as tidy too, I mean I can't remember if it is on the wounded coast or Sundermount but he says something like "Uhg, tramping around in the dirt. Why the Dalish enjoy this I'll never know." So I find appearence wise as far as putting in effort to being clean he is all about that. WQhat his looks are though? I don't think he cares, but his use of puppy eyes whenever he wants your help tells me he is aware he's good looking.
 

That bit brought the goofiest smile on my face. 

I've always wondered whether he purposely puts on his "puppy eye look" whenever he wants help, or if it just comes naturally. I like to think he is aware of just how ridiculously good looking he is. I don't know what it is, but something tells me he knows. Oh, he knows.

Now I've got this image stuck in my head and I need to go away in a corner and squee:



:wub:

I just realised this screencap is from Arquen's profile in photobucket. LOL.

Modifié par Arcane_Solona, 16 novembre 2011 - 07:58 .

[UrsulaCousland]

Maker, cannot...resist the puppy eyes...

*wanders off in a squee-fit that almost makes her forget she's trying to do a Serenity crossover in Kirkwall when I haven't watched the show or seen the movie in ages...*

[Arquen]

Lol.. i should start tagging my screenshots. Ha, but I don't mind. I know they are mine

I don't think Fenris realizes at all how handsome he is. Most of the time he felt worthless as a slave - "Danarius did not want his slaves to feel like they had any worth." The rest of the time people were intimidated or avoided him in general due to his 1.) Elf 2.) Strange appearance.

When he makes those faces it is his emotions coming through. He gets them when he is being genuine. He also is a rather animated expresser when he gets emotional... using gesticulations and such when he is trying to make a point. If he is saying something particularly difficult he looks away.. it's all natural reaction buried under trained restraint. I don't think he is aware of his appearance at all and certainly doesn't use it as a means of manipulation.

Much like his profound comments.. he just doesn't realize how good he is at these things.

[Sealy]

I dunno Arquen, his very first use of them "I will need your help" brought the movie Bolt to mind for me, when Mittens is teaching Bolt to beg. Headtilt, look up through fringe, lower voice... ;ooked pretty practiced to me.

Plus on a less welcoming note I have this impression that Danarius gave him creepy compliments and wanted a strong but attractive bodyguard, someone his rivals would be envious of. "the lad is very talented/skilled(?)" I hear him say "so lovely" a lot in my head. Damn pre freedom Leto fics, scarred me forever.

[Arcane_Solona]

I can totally picture Danarius showing Fenris off in front of all the other magisters because of his extreme beauty (yes, beauty; handsome isn't enough to describe him) as much as for his skills as a warrior. And I can almost hear the magisters complimenting him (to Danarius, of course- not directly to him) and commenting on how beautiful and deadly he is.

"Where in Thedas did you find that delicious thing, Danarius? Looks good enough to eat."

Danarius (while eyeing Fenris): "He does, doesn't he? You should see how he is in bed."

Ok. I should stop now. Entering **** YOU DANARIUS, I WANT TO KILL YOU territory.

Ew.

I don't know...certain people can be SO beautiful that it just seems very unlikely that they aren't aware of how good looking they are, if only a little bit. As much as he sees himself as "an escaped slave and an elf", he comes across as a very confident person at the same time. Perhaps it's just a facade he puts on, but I think it comes from within. He values himself, but not in an over-the-top kind of way. He's not cocky by any means, and he certainly doesn't come across as a person who likes the sound of his own voice too much. 
Which makes me wonder... does he have any idea how AMAZING his voice is? Though this question is more about Gideon than Fenris, obviously. I'd talk to myself all day if I had that voice (which would be incredibly strange, seeing as I'm a girl:blink:).

Modifié par Arcane_Solona, 16 novembre 2011 - 08:30 .

[ReiSilver]

I think Fenris is sure of his abilities but he still has those lingering self worth issues. While I could see Danarius complimenting his looks it would be a kind of back handed flattery or too hard to separate from his treatment of Fenris as a thing.
Kind of like how Leliana will say a lot of Orlesians have elven servants because they're nice to look at and you can snark back "Like a prize winning animal?"
In that sense I think Fenris would be aware that others could find him attractive but it's not something he's actively proud of or would feel gives him worth.
As for the puppy eyes... I'm not sure. I think sometimes he does it without realising but he is aware he can do it, which is why you don't get as many puppy-eye looks on the rival path as he's trying to put on a stronger front or something like that.

[Arcane_Solona]

ReiSilver wrote...

I think Fenris is sure of his abilities but he still has those lingering self worth issues. While I could see Danarius complimenting his looks it would be a kind of back handed flattery or too hard to separate from his treatment of Fenris as a thing.
Kind of like how Leliana will say a lot of Orlesians have elven servants because they're nice to look at and you can snark back "Like a prize winning animal?"
In that sense I think Fenris would be aware that others could find him attractive but it's not something he's actively proud of or would feel gives him worth.
As for the puppy eyes... I'm not sure. I think sometimes he does it without realising but he is aware he can do it, which is why you don't get as many puppy-eye looks on the rival path as he's trying to put on a stronger front or something like that.

Spot on. He definitely doesn't seem like the sort who gives much stock to physical appearance. What matters to him is what's on the inside. So while he may be aware of the fact that people find him very attractive, that fact is of no moment to him.

[Arquen]

"I'm not used to asking for help, but I am asking now," is a genuine statement and he doesn't look you in the eye either there.

No, I have to stick to my original. I also agree with Rei. Danarius is a giant creeper, no doubt, but he kept Fenris in a Qunari collar and leash. He didn't compliment Fenris in any genuine way or in any way that would make Fenris feel worth something. If others find him attractive he would be shocked (hello awkward chuckle), and he never wanted to be close to anyone so any compliments he got when free he would probably be oblivious to or be paranoid about.

I really don't think he is aware about these faces except when people bring them up. I think when Varric calls,out his brooding he thinks about it, and when Merrill calls out his puppy eyes he goes "oh venhedis do i really do that?" Other than that I don't see it as a practiced thing. He is just reflecting emotions and failing spectacularly to hide them at times. Probably because it is a lot of firsts and he isn't used to such interactions with people where you generally mean what you say.

[Arcane_Solona]

 Yeah... I don't think the puppy eyes are intentional either. I just found Fenris as a cunning, manipulative "puppy-eyer" extremely adorable. But yeah, he totally has no idea how adorable he looks when he's all emotional like that. 
"There are no puppy eyes." The tone of his voice when he says that pretty much sums it up, really. 

Leave the poor man alone! It's not his fault his eyes are so darn beautiful and expressive!

[Arquen]

I do think that in act 3 and beyond he flashes Hawke "looks" he is quite aware of. His conversation about his sister is all emotion, but when he asks for help he gives Hawke a very specific look. On rivalry he couples it with a nonchalant shoulder shrug. He does a little half smile. I don't think it is being purposefully manipulative, but I think after so much time around Hawke he gives that particular look on purpose. On friendship he looks to the side and then right at Hawke "It's all I ask.." and I think there he is being genuine and that is hard for him to say, but he is aware he is giving Hawke a look. I just don't think he knows the effect of such a look on some people.

Give him time and he no doubt could develop these things into a sardonic thing where he knows the given expression that "gets" Hawke, but during the game he barely is beginning to realize his own worth to others let alone using how they see him against them.

Do not mistake his inherent pride with self worth. He does have pride, but he struggles with his role in the world. He knows what he doesn't want, but takes a long time to figure out what he does want.

Modifié par Arquen, 16 novembre 2011 - 09:56 .

[Dutchess]

I don't think he uses the "puppy eyes" on purpose either. He is socially very unexperienced, so I doubt he is capable of any real manipulation in this way. I also doubt Danarius would compliment him on his looks in any way. Fenris says Danarius let him pour wine for his guests because his appearance intimidated them. So he probably doesn't think of himself as attractive in the eyes of others. Even is Danarius kept him as a sex slave as well, I don't think that is something that will improve your self-esteem. I see him as rather insecure inside, even though he can act confident. He calls Hawke handsome/beautiful, and wonders why he/she would have any interest in him. This is largely because he is an escaped slave and an elf, but I think it also indicates he doesn't see himself as beautiful or handsome, since that could (partly) explain Hawke's flirting with him. The central thing about his appearance is his markings. Everyone notices them as soon as they see him, so I believe his idea of his looks is pretty dominated by his markings.

I have over 4,500 words in Word now for my fic. Still really not done, however. xD It's getting a lot longer than I had anticipated, haha.

[Annarl]

Arquen wrote...

Lol... so having never played mass effect I don't hang out anywhere but here. I lurk around on the dao forums though.

My head!canon for the corpses is simple. Fenris doesn't want people to think the mansion is occupied and he also wants to deter other squatters. Hence he leaves the corpses while he lives in the back room. I also like how he doesn't sleep in the master bedroom. He takes the small servant's bed in the corner. The two rooms to the side have huge canopy beds but he doesn't use them. Maybe when it rains, lol.

I also head!canon that Fenris has a few traps around the place, but more like warning or alarm traps to let him know someone is there than actual deadly traps. In case its refugees or something. Plus Hawke and co. Lol.

While I don't think Fenris's appearance concerns him much, I do think he tries to keep himself clean, at least. Probably because Danarius didn't want a dirty,scraggly looking bodyguard and I bet Fenris got backlash if he appeared uncouth or damaged his armor.

Just my head!canon... only real evidence being Fenris's upkeep of his ONE armor set and his idle animations where he looks around and lifts his feet and dusts himself off.

In all honesty the mansion is just a rushed job and they didn't change the model. They should have...at least after act 2 where people pretty much know he lives there.

It's funny I too have always thought of Fenris as tidy, which is why that manison always bothered me.  Dead bodies! I really hated that Bioware didn't change the model, it was badly done.  

I have never thought Fenris was using his "puppy eyes" on purpose.  I put it down to social inexperience, and his difficulty in asking Hawke for help, especially for personal reasons.  It's a hard subject to discuss, and Fenris has not been very open about it.  Or should I say he has had a hard time dealing with these issues.  It must have been tough for him to ask for help.  Even more so when in a relationship or had a relationship with Hawke, whom he walked out on.  
I think its natural for someone who's in a relationship to have ways of looking at their partner that is special or different then how one would look at a friend or an acquaintance. 

I don't put it down to any type of deliberate manipulation.
And of course as Arcana Solona said, he has beautiful and expressive eyes!

Modifié par omearaee, 16 novembre 2011 - 03:31 .

[GhostlyMaiden]

UrsulaCousland wrote...

I remember reading somewhere that the various classes are set up so you will always have a warrior, rogue, and caster with you - so, for example, if you have Fenris max friend/rival and Aveline not, and you go mage, I think Aveline will betray you. Basically, Aveline will stay with you if FEnris betrays you, so I think the reverse may work as well.

I don't 100% know for sure though.

False, at least as far as casters go. Reaver Hawke killed Anders, Merril and Bethany in her playthrough (all during Last Straw, too). I still have no idea how to get Aveline to ditch you though. I've tried many variables and still haven't had any luck. Completed/Not completed Aveline quests. Friend/Rival/Neutral Aveline. Friend/Rival/Neutral/Given to Danarius Fenris. Nothing's working! -Sigh- I'll go back to testing when I'm not playing 4 different games at the same time and doing NaNoWriMo. 

On the latest topic about puppy eyes, I think he doesn't realize he's doing them. No real basis on that or anything; simply have a fondness for cute guys who do things to unintentionally make themselves cuter. Makes me wanna hug them and squeeze them until their brains pop out of their ears. For some of my Hawkes I like to imagine that he may have caught on and deliberately utilizes them in "headcanon epilogue".

[CuriousArtemis]

Arcane_Solona wrote...Spot on. He definitely doesn't seem like the sort who gives much stock to physical appearance. What matters to him is what's on the inside. 

Very true, and proven by the fact that if you create a Hawke whose face looks like it got run over by a mack truck ... Fenris will still fall in love with him/her XD

[Arcane_Solona]

motomotogirl wrote...

Arcane_Solona wrote...Spot on. He definitely doesn't seem like the sort who gives much stock to physical appearance. What matters to him is what's on the inside. 

Very true, and proven by the fact that if you create a Hawke whose face looks like it got run over by a mack truck ... Fenris will still fall in love with him/her XD

LOL! Those were my exact thoughts when I wrote that post!!

[Heidenreich]

Arcane_Solona wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Arcane_Solona wrote...Spot on. He definitely doesn't seem like the sort who gives much stock to physical appearance. What matters to him is what's on the inside. 

Very true, and proven by the fact that if you create a Hawke whose face looks like it got run over by a mack truck ... Fenris will still fall in love with him/her XD

LOL! Those were my exact thoughts when I wrote that post!!

That's a game mechanics thing and NOT a character thing.   Game AI isn't THAT smart yet ;p though its not nessisarly wrong to assume that Fenris (much like anders) is more about the person then the face or bits.

Modifié par Heidenreich, 17 novembre 2011 - 02:15 .

[Cosmochyck]

motomotogirl wrote...

Arcane_Solona wrote...Spot on. He definitely doesn't seem like the sort who gives much stock to physical appearance. What matters to him is what's on the inside. 

Very true, and proven by the fact that if you create a Hawke whose face looks like it got run over by a mack truck ... Fenris will still fall in love with him/her XD

Ok that made me laugh!  And oh so true!

I do agree that I think at the beginning of his relationship with Hawke he's not aware of the "looks" he's giving my Hawke - although she is VERY aware of them

And I don't think he's doing the puppy eyes to manipulate, I think it is definitely genuine.  I agree with Arquen though that by Act 3 I think he's definitely aware of what he's doing when he "looks" a certain way - again not necessarily to manipulate but just to perhaps show affection/attention in the best way he can!

[Gervaise]

I don't think Fenris uses his looks in a manipulative way deliberately but over the years it probably became apparent that a certain look did seem to have a beneficial affect on Hawke. Plus the way the dialogue is written, the first flirt you have with him is to say that Danarius wanting to flay his hide off him would be the waste of an attractive elf. I always found that line cringworthy since it seemed a most inappropriate response, and only took it because I was afraid if I didn't I might destroy any chance of romance. However, it makes him aware very early on that Hawke does find him attractive to look at, so even if he doesn't have much self esteme or appreciation of his looks, the idea is planted that it might be something worth having.

[Arcane_Solona]

@Gervaise I love that line! It didn't make me cringe at all! I giggle like a goofy fool whenever I make my Hawkes say it (which is every single time). And his reaction to that is priceless. That chuckle/cough is just the most adorable thing ever! Gahhhh, so cute! I'm totally fangirling right now!
He's so ridiculously gorgeous, it makes me feel silly, pining after a fictional character like that. Sigh. What have you done to me, Fenris?

[Madame Rose Crimsynn]

*Comes back with massive cup of coffee and truck full of cookies* I sorry.

I'm going to be off-topic and I've been gone for a while. 

Tashash wrote...

*Is smug*

I haven't chosen a side. I keep clicking on random Imperial Soldiers in case they're Fenris-voiced.

Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. *Beats head into desk to berate self for killing Fenris-sounding Imperial Soldiers*


@ Arquen

Happy belated birthday!

Have some non-fattening virtual birthday cookies (with b-day cupcakes frosted on them)!

Heidenreich wrote...

I'm utterly adoring Skyrim right now. Mind you I didn't right out of the gate. It took the Companions side quest to really do it for me I think. If you haven't done them yet I suggest you do do do do it. There's a pair of brothers that are just.. UMF bad ass. FULLY INTEND TO MARRY ONE OF THEM YESSREE.

See, I knew you could get married in Skyrim. I did this questline and was very much pleased when I could bring one of those two along because they were both pretty useful, but didn't think you could have them married to your character because I never got any dialogue suggested it. I grabbed Vilkas and went over to all the towns and started stealing out of the merchant stalls for the "LOLOLOLOLOLZ, I'm doing whatever!" (after parking him in a corner, seeing as I remembered reading somewhere that some of your followers don't like you stealing in front of them, and I was paranoid and slightly high on coffee and low on sleep). I found a pretty amulet somewhere and stole it, and put it on and went, "YAY! It gives me better restoration skill! And it's pretty!"

Went to Vilkas because, hey, I treat my follower like I treated Shadowmere in Oblivion: free dump spot for all my stolen junk! And then (basically) he goes, "Amulet of Mara, eh? You're single?" 

I wasn't expecting that (but I was glad, since, hey, I don't have to have my Dovahkiin girl paired with some useless merchant man).

Vilkas is adorable, but Farkas.. UHNF. BROODY QUIET TYPES ARE MY WEAKNESS FOR EVER. HE'S LIKE THE SKYRIM VERSION OF FENRIS WITH HIS MAGE HATE AND HIS BIG SWORD. MMMMM.

Interesting.

Very glad I re-rolled my Nord girl to a Breton girl, as I'm now shorter then all Nords, and I'm much more mage-y (Remember, I eternally pair Mage!Hawkette with Fenris).  I like both of them though, but I must see if it's possible (Farkas is more useful against dragons-- he can handle being hit more then Vilkas can). 

And I think the mage-hate is a male Nord thing. I remember my Stormcloak execution buddy pointing out the standing stones when you head down to Riverwood and I chose the mage one, and in a somewhat cold tone he goes, "Mage, eh? Interesting. Well, it's not my place to judge."

ZombieGeisha wrote...
<Snip>

Already got my eye on Farkas, I love SKYRIM. I have started a fanfic with my character with him as a possible LI. 

I'm so bad for brooody men. 

It's in my link in my sig!

I'm getting the feeling we should form a club. A Skyrim-version of the Perverted Pentagram (well, we'd be a triangle, in this case)? 


*Clears throat and gets myself back on topic*

Heidenreich wrote...

Arcane_Solona wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Arcane_Solona wrote...Spot on. He definitely doesn't seem like the sort who gives much stock to physical appearance. What matters to him is what's on the inside. 

Very true, and proven by the fact that if you create a Hawke whose face looks like it got run over by a mack truck ... Fenris will still fall in love with him/her XD

LOL! Those were my exact thoughts when I wrote that post!!

That's a game mechanics thing and NOT a character thing.   Game AI isn't THAT smart yet ;p though its not nessisarly wrong to assume that Fenris (much like anders) is more about the person then the face or bits.

If Game AI was good enough to recognize that your character was ugly, my first complete PT Hawkette would have been screwed. I went back through my old saves from then and cringed when I realized she looks very much like a deer in the headlights (which now it makes sense why I never had the heart to play her as anything else but a diplomat).

Run over by a truck though? That's good. I'm tempted to make a Hawke that looks like that now, just for the sake of it. 

[Catriana]

Wait, what?

YOU CAN MARRY ONE OF THOSE TWINS? IS THIS FOR SRS?

Edit: It is! Oh lawdy! ♥♥♥ My emotions!

*ahem* Now seriously, if we could have the option to eventually marry our LI in Dragon Age II (I mean c'mon, there's room for it, I swear) that would be boss. Have my Hawke's marry Fenris? Yes, please.

Oh well. I can, at the very least, content myself with the ZevranWedding mod since that particular romance will probably never carry over to any further DA games Zevran is featured in D: Which makes me cry all the tears.

Modifié par Catriana, 18 novembre 2011 - 04:23 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Okay guys, I need more ideas.

My canon Hawke is Diplomatic DW Rogue M!Hawke x Fenris.

I also played a Diplomatic Mage M!Hawke x Fenris.

I've almost finished a Sarcastic Archery Rogue M!Hawke x Anders, but I'm missing Fenris so badly, I'm about to go insane.

But I can't think of what else to try. I've tried a rivalmance with Fenris and it just wasn't for me. I've started a couple F!Hawke games with the intent to romance the two girls, and I will come back to those, but I'm not feeling that now.

I really love my Archery Rogue Hawke ... just wish he were with Fenris instead of Anders ;_;

I might replay Legacy tonight with my canon Hawke. But I'd love to start another game ... just ... can't ... think of a new and different Hawke to play.

Aggressive Hawke just sounds so mean ;_; Think he'd be too much for softie ole me.

Ideas???

[CuriousArtemis]

*kicks post* why won't you show up? This'll prolly be a double post now...

[AbsoluteApril]

tankgirly wrote...
Theme-Let's have some crossover again!:
a) Serenity.
.Skyrim.
c) X-Men First class.
d) Halo.

okay... here we go...

HALO

[Catriana]

motomotogirl wrote...

Okay guys, I need more ideas.

My canon Hawke is Diplomatic DW Rogue M!Hawke x Fenris.

I also played a Diplomatic Mage M!Hawke x Fenris.

I've almost finished a Sarcastic Archery Rogue M!Hawke x Anders, but I'm missing Fenris so badly, I'm about to go insane.

But I can't think of what else to try. I've tried a rivalmance with Fenris and it just wasn't for me. I've started a couple F!Hawke games with the intent to romance the two girls, and I will come back to those, but I'm not feeling that now.

I really love my Archery Rogue Hawke ... just wish he were with Fenris instead of Anders ;_;

I might replay Legacy tonight with my canon Hawke. But I'd love to start another game ... just ... can't ... think of a new and different Hawke to play.

Aggressive Hawke just sounds so mean ;_; Think he'd be too much for softie ole me.

Ideas???

The most I could suggest is to try and switch things up a little.

I'll give you some of my Fenrismanced Hawkes as examples:

My F!Warrior was mostly diplomatic, but I RP'ed her as also having a bit of a temper if the right (or wrong) buttons were pushed. Take Fenris's reaction to Bethany. My Hawke did not take kindly to him badmouthing her baby sister. She quickly became aggressive. So it was more like, she tried to be diplomatic most of the time, but she obviously had a temper she had yet to fully control.

My M!Mage went the Sarcasm path, but when dealing with his family (sans Carver) or Fenris or comforting his friends, he went the diplomatic route. In short, he knew when to joke around and when to be serious.

I have a M!Rogue, but he was straight Sarcasm the entire way through.

In any case, switching it up may feel like you have a more diverse Hawke, which may make the experience a bit more fulfilling. At least, it's worked for me.