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[Heidenreich]

Bluh, I really dislike modded characters. I wish I could get past it, but it drives me crazy. I'm all for Modding Hawke to death and back, but.. *pouts*

Fenris wears his armor because he cannot wear anything else. He tells varric as much. The markings show through. Head Canon has long ago dictated that anything other then his armor irritates them, that because of his abilities to partially transfer into the fade while phasing normal clothing just falls off. Phases right through them, so to speak, Etc etc.I could probably go on forever.

I dunno, I just love the companions and their armors and their looks, and it hurts physically when I see modded versions of them. Why ruin a good thing? We already love these characters so much. It feels like playing dress up with a live person, and I can see them frowning unhappily in their new clothing/hairstyle/makeup/faces/skintones (ugh isabela white mod *holds up garlic*)

[Arquen]

I'm with Heiden on this one. I HATES modding characters.

I absolutely ADORE Fenris's armor. It's beautiful, and unique. All that brown leather, with that lovely chestplate and the spiky shoulderpads. The strip of green embroidery down the center and the back, and the ever so slight pattern on the leggings with the yellow/green around his "boots." It is a fantastic and unique armor set. I would never change it. Not even the brown to black mod that is so popular. I love the brown leather, the way the light reflects golds and oranges and yellows off of it in the right light.

Yeah.. wouldn't change a damn thing about Fenris. I did have a mod for Merrill, Aveline and even Anders for a little while. NOT the "Fem" Aveline either... just a mod that took off that lipstick color she has on and switched it for a more natural lip color. I don't like that dark lipstick. Anyways, the point here being that I took all my mods off. Especially the Anders one (It wasn't much, just made him look a bit more like Awakenings Anders without changing too much.) Still, I couldn't look at it after a while. It just wasn't Anders.

I never modded Fenris or Isabela. Well, I take that back.. I did an armor mod for Isabela that changed her corset and bandana color to black, but NO pants! I kept her actual base costume as is.

The jacket mod is fine for some people, but I much prefer Fenris's armor. It is not "ugly" by any standards to me. It is beautiful and so perfectly Fenris. I would never mod it away. Not even for variety. I actually love that they made the companion armors unique and that you couldn't just slap on anything you want. I much preferred this to DA:O, actually. I felt it gave the characters a sense of autonomy and identity. You couldn't just pass on generic gear set #3. You just "leveled up" the armor they had on. Now, if they continue with the idea for various unique companion armor sets that you can switch out like they have been hinting at for DA3.. then I will be perfectly content. A mix of both worlds.

As for previous "hate" discussion. People do find Fenris's attitude abrasive. He often-times says what people don't want to hear. He is blunt, and speaks up about what he thinks. Most of the time the people who don't like him hate this about him. They don't think he should be so "rude," and "malcontent." Which is, absolutely ridiculous to me, but whatever. I've learned long ago that people aren't worth understanding. They believe what they want and interpret the world as they see fit. This includes works of literature, movies, media, and of course.. games. Various interpretations or misinterpretations (mostly due to just glancing or glossing over a character or going in with biased/preconceived notions about said character) often are the reason for such vitriol.

Also because people throw the word hate around like candy, and they have no connection with fictional characters besides "they are characters in a game..." *shrug*

I spend way to much time analyzing Fenris and going over his character and examining things about him because he means a lot to me. Both on a personal level and an intellectual one. I absolutely LOVE this creation of DG's. I have never seen another character quite so intriguing before, and that is saying A LOT. I've never wanted to smack Fenris or tell him to shut up or even remotely gotten angry at him. Seriously, I NEVER have, and I understand why others feel this way toward him, but I do NOT. I also tend to side with the mages, but the thing about me is that I listen to Fenris. I value his opinion and I actually LISTEN to him when he gives it. I accept his apologies as heartfelt, I understand where he is coming from, and I value his presence so much because he is so perfectly honest and blunt. I don't get offended at his rage. I don't want to comfort him or dote on him or "fix" him. So I spend a lot of time with Fenris, and there isn't one thing I really dislike about him. If I could change anything about Fenris.. it would be NOTHING. I wouldn't change a damn thing. So when people say he whines, and he is mean, and he doesn't do anything for himself, and he is emo and a complainer... I just *shrug* because obviously they didn't take the time to get to know the character, and they aren't going to care either way even if you try to explain how YOU see the character.

[Ghost_Nappa]

Arquen wrote...

I'm with Heiden on this one. I HATES modding characters.

I absolutely ADORE Fenris's armor. It's beautiful, and unique. All that brown leather, with that lovely chestplate and the spiky shoulderpads. The strip of green embroidery down the center and the back, and the ever so slight pattern on the leggings with the yellow/green around his "boots." It is a fantastic and unique armor set. I would never change it. Not even the brown to black mod that is so popular. I love the brown leather, the way the light reflects golds and oranges and yellows off of it in the right light.

Yeah.. wouldn't change a damn thing about Fenris. I did have a mod for Merrill, Aveline and even Anders for a little while. NOT the "Fem" Aveline either... just a mod that took off that lipstick color she has on and switched it for a more natural lip color. I don't like that dark lipstick. Anyways, the point here being that I took all my mods off. Especially the Anders one (It wasn't much, just made him look a bit more like Awakenings Anders without changing too much.) Still, I couldn't look at it after a while. It just wasn't Anders.

I never modded Fenris or Isabela. Well, I take that back.. I did an armor mod for Isabela that changed her corset and bandana color to black, but NO pants! I kept her actual base costume as is.

The jacket mod is fine for some people, but I much prefer Fenris's armor. It is not "ugly" by any standards to me. It is beautiful and so perfectly Fenris. I would never mod it away. Not even for variety. I actually love that they made the companion armors unique and that you couldn't just slap on anything you want. I much preferred this to DA:O, actually. I felt it gave the characters a sense of autonomy and identity. You couldn't just pass on generic gear set #3. You just "leveled up" the armor they had on. Now, if they continue with the idea for various unique companion armor sets that you can switch out like they have been hinting at for DA3.. then I will be perfectly content. A mix of both worlds.

As for previous "hate" discussion. People do find Fenris's attitude abrasive. He often-times says what people don't want to hear. He is blunt, and speaks up about what he thinks. Most of the time the people who don't like him hate this about him. They don't think he should be so "rude," and "malcontent." Which is, absolutely ridiculous to me, but whatever. I've learned long ago that people aren't worth understanding. They believe what they want and interpret the world as they see fit. This includes works of literature, movies, media, and of course.. games. Various interpretations or misinterpretations (mostly due to just glancing or glossing over a character or going in with biased/preconceived notions about said character) often are the reason for such vitriol.

Also because people throw the word hate around like candy, and they have no connection with fictional characters besides "they are characters in a game..." *shrug*

I spend way to much time analyzing Fenris and going over his character and examining things about him because he means a lot to me. Both on a personal level and an intellectual one. I absolutely LOVE this creation of DG's. I have never seen another character quite so intriguing before, and that is saying A LOT. I've never wanted to smack Fenris or tell him to shut up or even remotely gotten angry at him. Seriously, I NEVER have, and I understand why others feel this way toward him, but I do NOT. I also tend to side with the mages, but the thing about me is that I listen to Fenris. I value his opinion and I actually LISTEN to him when he gives it. I accept his apologies as heartfelt, I understand where he is coming from, and I value his presence so much because he is so perfectly honest and blunt. I don't get offended at his rage. I don't want to comfort him or dote on him or "fix" him. So I spend a lot of time with Fenris, and there isn't one thing I really dislike about him. If I could change anything about Fenris.. it would be NOTHING. I wouldn't change a damn thing. So when people say he whines, and he is mean, and he doesn't do anything for himself, and he is emo and a complainer... I just *shrug* because obviously they didn't take the time to get to know the character, and they aren't going to care either way even if you try to explain how YOU see the character.

Well there is the bad side to modding  I guess...my only thoughts of attempting it were based on those little reasons to put him in different armor...but thats back up by my mind set 'you need better defense on Nightmare mode!' or 'If I see Hawke walk around in those lame ass pajams again I swear...'. Three armor slots is not enough for runes to save alive.
Anything else would be a little bit of superficial hair choices, but it be more under locks, braids and curly hair. God how I hate the hair choices....only that low ponytail keeps me happy.

I already made my stance on accepting Fenris through rivalmance as the best way for me to accept him since agree to disagree really sums me up...that or I was really sympathic and tried tohelp my buddy out.

[dangereusegirl]

Heidenreich, you basically took the words right out of my mouth. I was getting around to posting about modding, but fortunately you beat me to it.

I have been tempted to get that armor mod for Fenris, if only to have little images of Hawke taking him out of them. Kinda sad now that I think about it, but I don't regret a second of it.

The only time I've ever really wanted to smack Fenris or tell him to shut up was during Merrill's personal quests, when Pol runs and Marathari dies. I want to be able to tell him that there's a time and place for things, and it certainly isn't the time when Merrill is already beating herself up about things. I have a soft spot for Merrill, just below the Hawke twins and Fenris, and it bums me out a bit when Fenris is a bit rude in that regard.

[ladyshamen]

Myth, I tried out the mod to turn the Hawke family into elves. I got this far and just had to stop. To story breaking for me. I did hang in there for a Fenris kiss tho. I know a lot people don't like to mods, and that's cool. To be honest, I'm Bi-Polar and when I get manic, modding keeps me calm. I really have to think about things and it keeps me focused for a while. It's my own kind of therapy ! I would however NEVER change how he looks, i.e. hair color and such. That would just be wrong. IMO

[CuriousArtemis]

I've never met anti-modders o.O I play Sims 3 on my lappy so modding makes the game only about, oh, twenty thousand times more awesome LOL I do so wish I could play DA2 on my lappy, but at the same time, I'm glad I get to enjoy it on the big screen. Personally, I hate Fenris' armor and Isabela's lack of pants, so it's jarring for me ... especially when Hawke goes to visit Fenris at home and he's wearing that ridiculous armor still. Like, srsly, does he sleep in that crap? Ugh. No, no, it's ugly. Everyone has his or her own opinion on the matter, though I'm not one to wax poetic on it really

I love modding. I wish I could mod all the characters. It's like fanfiction to me. Adding your own touch on the game, keeping it interesting.

Modifié par motomotogirl, 09 janvier 2012 - 04:22 .

[Cosmochyck]

I'm not a fan of modding either - I really like all the characters "armor" (I use that term loosely). I do however, wish that they had "casual" clothes for their homes. I do find it ridiculous that every time you see any of them they look exactly the same. Hawke has "finery" for the mansion, so should the rest of them!

I do have some mods installed for DA:O but they are more hairstyles, and extra scenes - no changes to characters appearances at all! I normally play on 360 and after completing DA:O eight times I got it for PC too.
DA2 I wouldn't mod, unless there was extra dialogue and Fen time included!!

[Ghost_Nappa]

Cosmo you making it very appealing at this rate..also I take back on what I mentioned aboot Hawke. My god If I see him/her in that lame smoking jacket in the mansion Ill just stab em. I believe thats where all my modding will go..casual clothes at home. Or knowing me how many lingerie articles I can make Hawke wear at home and in the LI house. Or just an excuse to have Fenris dressed as Hue Hefner or the worlds most interesting man up in his house.

Hmmm actually that last bit seems more fun. Fenris the most interesting man...start making up lines if you want, mine arent good without getting banned on here.

[Dutchess]

My the Sims 2 game (not switching to #3) is heavily modded. I have default replacers for everything. IFor DA2 I have plenty of mods to change Hawke's appearance to my liking, but I don't like to change the appearance of my companions in DA2. Funnily enough I did download something that changed Morrigan's, Leliana's and Wynne's appearance. Their different looks were still true to their character though.
For DA2 I tried for one moment an armor replacer for Fenris with boots and a black recolor, but as soon as I saw it in-game, I removed it. Vanilla looks best to me. Also tried a recolor of Isabela's armor, but have removed that now as well. The only mod I have that changes something about companions is the "beautiful hands" mod, because the original hands looked awful.

I have to admit I don't really see Fenris as black or even tanned... He looks white to me.His skin is pretty light.

The only moment I disliked Fenris was in Merrill's quest during act 2, when he calls her a monster. He was too harsh there, in my opinion.

[UrsulaCousland]

Ghost_Nappa wrote...

Hmmm actually that last bit seems more fun. Fenris the most interesting man...start making up lines if you want, mine arent good without getting banned on here.

Wow...Fenris as the Most Interesting Elf in Thedas. Maker, I wish I had any kind of skill with Photoshop...*gives the puppy eyes to anyone here who does*. Of course, this might be a little more IC for Zevran, but who cares? XD

Anyway - woohoo, more discussion! *happy*

As far as the 'head canon' question for post-game...I've been holding off thinking of that overmuch for Aniya simply because I don't know what happens with the Mage/Templar/Chantry war. My very rough short-term head-canon is that Aniya reluctantly (against her better judgement) agrees to become Viscount because she feels it's the best way she can at least try to do the right thing and rebuild her home (Kirkwall). Since everyone seems to view her as such a big damn hero anyway, for reasons she still can't quite fathom, the symbolic importance isn't lost on her either. She pretty much tells her advisors to get stuffed when they try to badger her about heirs and alliance marriages (Aniya is barren) and very openly continues her relationship with Fenris. Fenris has his own hands full on an emotional level dealing with that, though my head canon does include that they find a way to make it work.  That's about all I have based on the current state of DA2.

Modded Fenris? No thanks. (Not that I have a problem with others doing so. I don't. ) I play on the 360 anyway so it's a moot point. Besides, it ain't broke, therefore IMO there's no need to fix it. 

The slave experience? Let's just say I'm enough of a student of history that my mind can go all kinds of horrible  places with regards to what slaves of any race or creed have had to (or have to) face.  WIth that in mind, I remain astonished that Fenris is as well adjusted as he is. What he's probably been through and seen would probably break most people with a shred of humanity. I think that the reason Fenris faces the 'hate' he does is because some people have a really hard time putting themselves in someone else's position. This makes them unable to have any kind of emphathy since they can't relate. The argument that (hopefully) none of us knows from direct knowledge what slavery is like is irrelevant - I don't think anyone who really thought about it and did a little historical research could get an idea for how horrible slavery would be when experienced as the slave.

At any rate, I'm thrilled to see more discussion and am curious how this will evolve. 

Edit: Grrrrrrrrr format, even though I am not posting fic this time! *sigh*

Modifié par UrsulaCousland, 09 janvier 2012 - 08:43 .

[tankgirly]

Arm, sorry guys. Offtopic question: Anyone having trouble logging in FFN?

[Ghost_Nappa]

Your not the only one....one of the authors was gonna update tonight and she promised a fen/hawke smut scene....oh how I wished she didnt spoil it for me.

[tankgirly]

Ghost_Nappa wrote...

Your not the only one....one of the authors was gonna update tonight and she promised a fen/hawke smut scene....oh how I wished she didnt spoil it for me.

Drat.

Oh, well. Suppose I will have to go back and look through my works again to kill time.

[CuriousArtemis]

I can log in...

[UrsulaCousland]

motomotogirl wrote...

I can log in...

I'm in. I'll be trying an upload and publish in a bit.  If I have trouble, I'll update this post.

[tankgirly]

motomotogirl wrote...

I can log in...

Yeah, we can log in now.

Phew.

[Ghost_Nappa]

Now that crises has been averted, I thought of something for The Most Interesting Elf in Thedas:
When he spoke the Qun to the Arishok, the Arishok up and left Kirkwall without second thoughts.
He once killed a magister who only thanked him for the task.
On that special night with Hawke he walked out, only to return 3 minutes later realizing he could go a few more rounds.
*Zoom in on Fenris sitting on his chair using Danrius as a foot stool and 3 different Hawkes fawning over him.*
I dont always brood...but when I do I drink Aggregio. Stay Broody my friends.

Modifié par Ghost_Nappa, 11 janvier 2012 - 04:02 .

[Night Dreams]

Heidenreich wrote...

Bluh, I really dislike modded characters. I wish I could get past it, but it drives me crazy. I'm all for Modding Hawke to death and back, but.. *pouts*

Hey, long time reader but very rare poster. I just had to speak up here though as I'm so thankful to hear someone else say this!! Personally I feel like I'm intruding in the developer's and artists hard work and expertise, whereas modding Hawke doesn't ever occur to me as wrong, as they are our own designed character anyway.

[Arquen]

A wild lurker appears! Lol, you lurkers should post more often. Always nice to have fresh meat in the discussion.

I never quite commented on the race/slave thing. This is mostly because I see Fenris as an elf and as far as I know there are dark skinned elves, and light skinned elves, and everything in between. Skin color doesn't seem to have anything to do with anything in Thedas. If anything Fenris compares more with someone who is fair or yellow/tan/olive skin. Like Italian or Creole (I can see Creole). His skin has overt yellow/olive tones not pink/red tones so I don't see Native American. He doesn't have much brown in his skin either, and so I don't see black or African American. Perhaps Hispanic, but more South American/Latin than Central American. Still, as I said the color of his skin plays no factor. He is an elf first, and moreso, one who has spent a great deal of time outside. He isn't pale or white, but he isn't dark either. So, 2 cents there.

As far as slave -- DG said that Tevinter is akin to Rome. I see slavery there as akin to slavery in ancient Rome. It is different than slavery in the Americas. Fenris's experiences are those of very negative connotations to say the least. Nobody can know what he feels or experience what he has been through. It is enough that you can understand where he is coming from, or at least try to. Everyone can relate to what Fenris represents -- complete loss of identity, and not knowing who you are and what you are supposed to do with your life. He doesn't like or want empath or pity, though, and that makes him dislikeable to some people. How he refuses a friend or shoves off a hug. To some people that is uncalled for behavior, regardless. Honestly, it is not unreasonable at all for him to act or feel the way he does. I could go on, but I am at work on break, lol.

[Annarl]

Heidenreich wrote...

Bluh, I really dislike modded characters. I wish I could get past it, but it drives me crazy. I'm all for Modding Hawke to death and back, but.. *pouts*

I may not mod the NPCs but I would never tell anyone they shouldn't.  It's their game and they should play as they want too, just like I should.

Modifié par omearaee, 10 janvier 2012 - 02:10 .

[Annarl]

Ghost_Nappa wrote...

Now that crises has been averted, I thought of something for The Most Interesting Elf in Thedas:
When he spoke the Qun to the Arishok, the Arishok up and left Kirkwall without second thoughts.
He once killed a magister who only thanked him for the task.
On that special night with Hawke he walked out, only to return 3 minutes later realizing he could go a few more rounds.
*Zoom in on Fenris sitting on his chair using Danrius as a foot stool and 3 different Hawkes fawning over him.*
I dont always brood...but when I do I drink Agreggio. Stay Broody my friends.

I like it!!!  Pass the Agreggio.

[Arquen]

I am tired, and sort of out of it at the moment, but I realized that this page doesn't have any FENRIS on it! I decided to remedy that...


by SmaiLika07 on DA -- A favorite of mine


by Lilithblack on DA -- one I hadn't seen before


by cedrics on DA


craptacular sketch from ME arquen.tumblr.com

And.... Slightly NSFW soooo.... STOCKING FENRIS! (my Christmas present from Aivopesty XD..!)

So there.. a dose of Fenris for everyone

[ladyshamen]

Arquen ! Great pics! I've never seen the word craptacular before, however it doesn't describe your work. You did a fantastic job!

[Cosmochyck]

I'm with ladyshamen on this one - that sketch is fabulous!!

I never commented on the slave thing either - I don't particularly see Fen's slavery as what occurred in the Americas either. I assume that he's gone through something specific to him and Danarius - I imagine every magister treats their slaves differently as well. I also assume it was unpleasant to say the least. And I didn't really notice his skin colour because the light seems to change it in almost every scene. He's darker than Aveline, but she's pretty pale. Isabela I definitely can see an olive/tanned look.

[UrsulaCousland]

*boggle* Arquen, that sketch is gorgeous! Far from craptastic!