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Ghost_Nappa wrote...

aldien wrote...

Ghost_Nappa wrote...

Im replying in deviation since drawing from scale off a photo is a mite ****...so many erase markings to make it right. But my answer about body types is this:Variation is key and some types work for certain people.

Then again I doubt the game would go out into whole right torture, because it is an awful thing to do that leaves an awful mark on both torture and torturer. _Zaeed.


Oh come on, it would have been great. He could have cut off Hadrianna's arm and beat her with it and then Hawke could have cut off a leg and helped. The imagery has caused a giggling fit.

_Zaeed <--------- what is that?


 DLC Mercenary from Mass Eeffect 2.

But yeah that does seem excessive just to get someone to tell you anything.

Granted to momo it was an emotional turnout....its like catching the person who stole from the cookied jar. You cant think clearly back on the articulate argument you ran through your head when all you can think is "BLARGH Why you take my cookie!?"

That and even if I did hate hadriana I would go dilpomatic to make sure Fenris doesnt become what he hates. Even at the cost of some morbid closure a persons mental health comes first through healthier means.



That and even if I did hate hadriana I would go dilpomatic to make sure Fenris doesnt become what he hates.

I really loved what you said there, because that was the exact reason that I always told Fenris to spare Varania. I dislike his sister, but I wanted him to be the better person. Hmmmm you made me think.

Modifié par aldien, 26 janvier 2012 - 11:22 .


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One of my favorite pics by cloudywolf77:

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Modifié par aldien, 26 janvier 2012 - 11:32 .


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Hurray it worked! Something I found awhile back on this webcomic, (God how I love this woman.) My first fenris image contribution.:lol:

http://thepunchlinei.../2011-08-22.jpg

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Fenris loves Rutger Hauer .... why is that so appropriate LOLOL

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aldien wrote...

Torturing Danarius is never a bad idea.

You know, the whole protecting Fenris and keeping things from him would make for a great story ;) I'm sorry I'm being rotten. LOL!


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!! Posted Image

Sorry, but that is possibly the most awesome idea EVER!

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Protecting Fenris AND torturing Danarius?! Dare I attempt to live/write the Fengirl dream? HmmmmmmmmPosted Image

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Tashash wrote...

aldien wrote...

Torturing Danarius is never a bad idea.

You know, the whole protecting Fenris and keeping things from him would make for a great story ;) I'm sorry I'm being rotten. LOL!


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!! Posted Image

Sorry, but that is possibly the most awesome idea EVER!

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Protecting Fenris AND torturing Danarius?! Dare I attempt to live/write the Fengirl dream? HmmmmmmmmPosted Image


I love the comic! I printed it out and put it up on my wall o' funny. Don't ask.

In my fanfic, my Hawke tortured Varania and is currently protecting Fenris. Do i get half a Fengirl dream for that?

I like how you think. Torture the bastard! Make it long and painful and I'll be happy :happy:

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aldien wrote...


I love the comic! I printed it out and put it up on my wall o' funny. Don't ask.

In my fanfic, my Hawke tortured Varania and is currently protecting Fenris. Do i get half a Fengirl dream for that?

I like how you think. Torture the bastard! Make it long and painful and I'll be happy :happy:


Aldien as Long as you give the artist credit Ill overlook that. Also one more from the lovely Cj who draws Manly Guys doing Manly things....but sadly her site is experiencing technical difficulties...so something from Enerjak tumblr. Enjoy.


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aldien wrote...

In my fanfic, my Hawke tortured Varania and is currently protecting Fenris. Do i get half a Fengirl dream for that?

I like how you think. Torture the bastard! Make it long and painful and I'll be happy :happy:


I'll be generous - You can have a whole Fengirl dream *throws confettii*.

The only reason I don't kill Varania is because my Hawke always feels guilty about her mother and the sibling she couldn't protect. If only I could be a little more heartless. *sigh*

I think the closest I've ever gotten to torture was having Danarius think he'd beaten my Mage Hawke, and then slitting his throat in 'Witchcraft'....But I do feel the need to write and with WtWGU's next chapter still being Beta'd (by the marvelous and wonderful Arquen, who I haven't seen for a few days - where are you lovely?Posted Image) then I guess I've got some time....

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Tashash wrote...

aldien wrote...

In my fanfic, my Hawke tortured Varania and is currently protecting Fenris. Do i get half a Fengirl dream for that?

I like how you think. Torture the bastard! Make it long and painful and I'll be happy :happy:


I'll be generous - You can have a whole Fengirl dream *throws confettii*.

The only reason I don't kill Varania is because my Hawke always feels guilty about her mother and the sibling she couldn't protect. If only I could be a little more heartless. *sigh*

I think the closest I've ever gotten to torture was having Danarius think he'd beaten my Mage Hawke, and then slitting his throat in 'Witchcraft'....But I do feel the need to write and with WtWGU's next chapter still being Beta'd (by the marvelous and wonderful Arquen, who I haven't seen for a few days - where are you lovely?Posted Image) then I guess I've got some time....


She's been going dark a few days at a time. Hopefully everything's still ok out there, Arquen! We miss you! 

I've been a bad little writer. I am stuck again after writing a combat scene I loved. Now I'm just )@&#&! stuck again. Mass Effect isn't helping. Neither is school. 2 exams next week already *cries*

For the longest time, I was a 'let Varania live' person. Arquen was actually the person that persuaded me out of that, and I suspect she's a goner in Common Ground unless I really freak at it at the last second. That last little barb she throws at Fenris really rankles me now - not that it didn't before, but I just...I can't take the complete heartbreak in Fenris's voice when you spare her and she just has to turn back and twist the knife before she goes.

Torture? Heck no. I totally agree with the Zaeed quote given earlier, and my Shepard always stops the NPC that prompts that comment for the same reason. If Fenris is going to kill Varania, at least she does get a clean death. Danarius gets perhaps a cleaner one than he deserves, but that says something about not becoming the beast, too. Aniya does the same thing with Gascard. He dies, by her hand, but it's a lot faster than he may deserve.

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My Hawke never lets Fenris kill Varania because he thinks that it's not the healthy thing for Fenris to do. Fenris is hardly in a stable emotional state at that moment, so Hawke does what he can to protect him and keep him from doing something that he is going to regret, in some way or another. Fenris tells Hawke the night they sleep together that this hatred he has is eating him up from the inside out (in so many words). It has to stop at some point. He has to let it go. And the way I play it, Hawke sees letting Varania go as Fenris letting his hatred and fear of the past go. That's why the Questioning Beliefs (or whatever it's called) that follows Alone is so moving for me.

It's also very nice if you take Varric along; he has something very earnest to say to Fenris (first time he actually CALLS him Fenris instead of "Elf") and it's just, aughghgh.

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UrsulaCousland wrote...

I've been a bad little writer. I am stuck again after writing a combat scene I loved. Now I'm just )@&#&! stuck again. Mass Effect isn't helping. Neither is school. 2 exams next week already *cries*


There, there *pats Ursula on the back* I know what that's like, stupid writers block.

Right now it's been three months of not writing and then going back to a fic...oh boy... 
And school? School sucks, and exams suck hairy ogre balls, but you'll be ok dear.Posted Image

motomotogirl wrote...

My Hawke never lets Fenris kill Varania because he thinks that it's not the healthy thing for Fenris to do. Fenris is hardly in a stable emotional state at that moment, so Hawke does what he can to protect him and keep him from doing something that he is going to regret, in some way or another. Fenris tells Hawke the night they sleep together that this hatred he has is eating him up from the inside out (in so many words). It has to stop at some point. He has to let it go. And the way I play it, Hawke sees letting Varania go as Fenris letting his hatred and fear of the past go. That's why the Questioning Beliefs (or whatever it's called) that follows Alone is so moving for me.

It's also very nice if you take Varric along; he has something very earnest to say to Fenris (first time he actually CALLS him Fenris instead of "Elf") and it's just, aughghgh.


I'm with you there. Varania may well deserve to die, but if Fenris were the one to do it I can't see it being good for his state of mind.

I admit that Varric's reaction there is one of the reasons I love that Dwarf.

Oh, and the ''Why are you telling me this?'' quote...After Fenris says that all I want to do is hug and pet Fenris and assure him that I will never do something like that to him ever. WHY IS THAT NOT AN OPTION?! I don't care if it gets me phase punxhed through the chest!

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Oh I once did a whole summation of the whole reasoning behind Varania (IMHO). I choose to kill her every single time. It isn't about Fenris's state of mind, it isn't about Varania's poor, sad, life (whatever that may be). It is about choices.

My favorite thing in the world is when Varania looks at Hawke and goes "please, don't LET him do this." and Hawke takes a step back and goes "Fenris does as he LIKES." To me that says more about free choice and letting Fenris truly be free in one moment than anything else. Plus, like with Hadrianna.. it is NOT Hawke's place to play babysitter and "fix" Fenris. It isn't Hawke's place to tell Fenris how he should or should not act.. what he should and should not do. Even if you try to let Hadrianna speak or try to take over the conversation and let Hadrianna go Fenris makes a clear choice, and he has to live with that. He grows because of that. "I wanted to, but I couldn't..." For me it isn't about the hate eating him up inside, it's about finding a balance between the hate that "they put there," and what he truly wants out of his life.

Danarius and Hadrianna and Varania are HIS ghosts. Varania herself redeems no points from me, and I think she signs her fate away the moment she makes her choice not to side with her brother. I've written tomes on this already, LOL.

The point is I think for Fenris it isn't wise or fair for Hawke to be the one who chastises him or tells him what decisions he should make. I don't think Fenris will ever be rid of his hate completely, but I think he can learn to live with it, and learn to use it, and not let it consume him. Yet for the ones who did it to him, who put that hate there, they deserve his wrath, and they deserve their fate. Varania, well to me she is nothing more than what Hadrianna started as "A sniveling social climber who would sell out her own children.." for a chance at power. Nothing about her redeems her to me.

Also, as a side note, and I know I've posted this before but... "It is still legal for elves to be sold into slavery in Tevinter, and many elves choose to sell themselves into slavery to provide for their families. This results in many Tevinter elves who are not slaves being better off than elves in other areas, even if elven slaves fare far worse."

And, "while lyrium may be used to send the individual waking minds of mages into the Fade, blood magic can be used to find the sleeping minds of others."

So basically that tells me that Varania did not have it as hard as an elven slave, and moreso that she may have even had it better than other elves in Thedas -- being a free elf in Tevinter.

Also, the second quote pretty much proves my head!canon that when Fenris says Hadrianna "tormented his sleep" it was more than simply waking him up in the middle of the night or playing pranks on him. As an apprentice to a blood mage she might be practicing her spells and doing all sorts of things to "sleeping minds." Fenris is not above being influenced by blood magic as you can see in the quest where you question Idunna and she uses her blood magic to control Hawke. Though, Fenris realizes something is wrong immediately, but he still gets influenced (shudders at thoughts of Danarius being powerful blood mage).

So yeah... I'm really not keen on going into Varania again, but I have no sympathy for her, nor Hadrianna.

As for torturing.. *spits* "That's what her bloody deal was worth!" <-- with you 100% Fenris.. I don't think there is anything that woman would NOT have said to save her own demon-infested skin. Torturing her would be pointless. She couldn't offer anything, and "By now there is no human left." (Thank you Anders). It wasn't a mistake to kill her, but Fenris just feels bad for having made a promise to let her live, and "realizing [his] morals aren't as strong as [he] believed." That's the hate he alludes too, not so much regret over having killed her, but the way in which it was done.

wall-o-texting again.. *sigh*

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*Reads through Arquen's thesis on killing Varania*

.........Huh. You know I swear that you could convince nearly anyone around to any point of view if you wanted to Arquen. You're like a human, female Varric! Posted Image

I'll probably still playthrough letting Varania live, because that's just how I work but I'll always consider that it might have been better to let Fenris end her.

Arquen wrote...

And, "while lyrium may be used to send the individual waking minds of mages into the Fade, blood magic can be used to find the sleeping minds of others."

Also, the second quote pretty much proves my head!canon that when Fenris says Hadrianna "tormented his sleep" it was more than simply waking him up in the middle of the night or playing pranks on him. As an apprentice to a blood mage she might be practicing her spells and doing all sorts of things to "sleeping minds." Fenris is not above being influenced by blood magic as you can see in the quest where you question Idunna and she uses her blood magic to control Hawke. Though, Fenris realizes something is wrong immediately, but he still gets influenced (shudders at thoughts of Danarius being powerful blood mage).


Holy @#$&! I never thought of that! And considering that you could probably torment someone much worse in the Fade than you could outside of it...Posted Image Posted Image 

And maybe the reason that Fenris is the only one who catches on to Idunna's tricks is because he knows what to look for.

wall-o-texting again.. *sigh*


I like your wall-of-texts! This thread would be  lost without some good, actuall brain-engaging conversation every once in a while.

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A female Varric? HAHA, that would be the first time I've ever been compared to Varric. I would like to think I have some talent for telling stories, though. Perhaps I just enjoy debating. Sadly, no I can not change people's minds. Though I can offer my own thoughts and hope people see a wider spectrum than what they saw originally perhaps?

I enjoy debating/discussions about Fenris more than I do random fangirling. However, don't misinterpret me because I am also full of random fangirling when it comes to Fenris and enjoy immensely both creating and seeing Fenarts and Fenfics.

I just get a bit frustrated at times going back through my same things. Especially when it comes to Varania or Fenders. I just... have said it time and again. I wish this thread had an index so I could point to page X for reply to Y. LOL.

Though with Danarius I have to say I might have the unpopular opinion in that 1.) I think his death scene was perfect, and I don't think torturing or slow death or Fenris making him writhe in pain for a long time would have been better. The absolute visceral and rage filled IMPACT of that moment when he declares "You are no longer my master!" Is just fantastic. I don't think Hawke should be involved in that in any way, and torturing him would just be pointless. The absolute wrath and anger was perfect. IMHO.

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Well Arquen this is where I agree to disagree on the whole Varania matter, no matter what I would let her live because she is a ghost of his past, albeit, a more stable ghost. Why? Because she is a vital link to the man he used to be.

Theres something comforting to know about your past as a reference so you can learn and move on as a person that would be beneficial. Yes what she tells him will be said out of spite and her anger, but none the less it still helps him understanding Leto. Granted Leto is 'dead' and never coming back, but it doesnt hurt to know about the man and letting him rest along with his ghosts and letting Fenris grow.

As for Varania...yeah I pity her her character cause if anyone was in her shoes, they probably do the same thing. I mean it suchs for a character to possibly die in such a way...but it makes me think about The Rosencrantz and Guilderstein movie. Not gonna beat a dead horse on the matter but it still makes a nice reference before we write her off in a 'love/hate' category.

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motomotogirl wrote...

My Hawke never lets Fenris kill Varania because he thinks that it's not the healthy thing for Fenris to do. Fenris is hardly in a stable emotional state at that moment, so Hawke does what he can to protect him and keep him from doing something that he is going to regret, in some way or another. Fenris tells Hawke the night they sleep together that this hatred he has is eating him up from the inside out (in so many words). It has to stop at some point. He has to let it go. And the way I play it, Hawke sees letting Varania go as Fenris letting his hatred and fear of the past go. That's why the Questioning Beliefs (or whatever it's called) that follows Alone is so moving for me.

It's also very nice if you take Varric along; he has something very earnest to say to Fenris (first time he actually CALLS him Fenris instead of "Elf") and it's just, aughghgh.


That is exactly what I think on every playtrhough. Yes, Varania gets a jab in at the end if you let her live, but if Fenris kills her he says: Now this.  To me that signals regret, and just like the Fog Warriors, it is more guilt for him to live with. My Hawke wants him to be the better person, not stoop to Varania's level. Otherwise, doesn't he become what he hates?

LoL! I noticed that with Varric. He sounds half scared but I think it shows how much Varric cares.

Great insights Moto!

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Ghost_Nappa wrote...

Well Arquen this is where I agree to disagree on the whole Varania matter, no matter what I would let her live because she is a ghost of his past, albeit, a more stable ghost. Why? Because she is a vital link to the man he used to be.

Theres something comforting to know about your past as a reference so you can learn and move on as a person that would be beneficial. Yes what she tells him will be said out of spite and her anger, but none the less it still helps him understanding Leto. Granted Leto is 'dead' and never coming back, but it doesnt hurt to know about the man and letting him rest along with his ghosts and letting Fenris grow.

As for Varania...yeah I pity her her character cause if anyone was in her shoes, they probably do the same thing. I mean it suchs for a character to possibly die in such a way...but it makes me think about The Rosencrantz and Guilderstein movie. Not gonna beat a dead horse on the matter but it still makes a nice reference before we write her off in a 'love/hate' category.


That's a very good point. The whole thing can become too black and white. She's bad, kill her! It's too simplistic. I think you really have to consider Fenris on this one, not what Varania does at the end. So, she makes a mean comment? Surely, that's easier to deal with for Fenris than giving in to his hate and killing her.

And I agree, I think it will help Fenris move on as a person in a beneficial way.

My twenty cents worth.

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Having just completed another complete runthrough of DAO with a male Warden (my first to last longer than Lothering), I am about to attempt a male Hawke playthrough. And to challenge myself, I will not be romance Fenris.

This is gonna be hard. :P

I have a feeling I will want to cave five seconds after Fen comes on the screen. But I must remain strong.

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dangereusegirl wrote...

Having just completed another complete runthrough of DAO with a male Warden (my first to last longer than Lothering), I am about to attempt a male Hawke playthrough. And to challenge myself, I will not be romance Fenris.

This is gonna be hard. :P

I have a feeling I will want to cave five seconds after Fen comes on the screen. But I must remain strong.


God speed woman for resisting Dat voice and if you do cave in....hurray?

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dangereusegirl wrote...

Having just completed another complete runthrough of DAO with a male Warden (my first to last longer than Lothering), I am about to attempt a male Hawke playthrough. And to challenge myself, I will not be romance Fenris. 


DON'T RESIST!!  The M!Hawke romance with Fenris is really sweet.  Hawke gets to be the big, strong protective one, someone Fenris can lean on in dark times (like, in their bedroom, with the lights off...).  Yeah, I know F!Hawke is one tough gal, but the dynamic is still a bit different.  Plus seeing Hawke's big arms wrap around Fenris' tiny waist in the last romance scene in the Gallows is like, toe-curlingly adorable.

If you want to play with the girls first that's always fun.  Play it in your head that Fenris is holding out so Hawke turns to Isa or Merry for some lovin :D

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motomotogirl wrote...

dangereusegirl wrote...

Having just completed another complete runthrough of DAO with a male Warden (my first to last longer than Lothering), I am about to attempt a male Hawke playthrough. And to challenge myself, I will not be romance Fenris. 


DON'T RESIST!!  The M!Hawke romance with Fenris is really sweet.  Hawke gets to be the big, strong protective one, someone Fenris can lean on in dark times (like, in their bedroom, with the lights off...).  Yeah, I know F!Hawke is one tough gal, but the dynamic is still a bit different.  Plus seeing Hawke's big arms wrap around Fenris' tiny waist in the last romance scene in the Gallows is like, toe-curlingly adorable.

If you want to play with the girls first that's always fun.  Play it in your head that Fenris is holding out so Hawke turns to Isa or Merry for some lovin :D



Gah don't tempt me. I want to be able to say that I don't romance Fen every playthrough. My family already says I'm obsessed (and who can blame them? :P)

I'm going to try and not romance him for this playthrough, but after that he's mine :devil:

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Best of luck with trying to resist Fenris because it sure find it difficult. The first time I didn't romance him was by accident with a male Hawke because I slept with Isabella and this seemed to muck up my Fenris romance but I only found out a long time later after Hadrianna. The first time I did so intentionally was when trying to pursue Sebastian, which mean I couldn't so much as flirt with anyone else. Then my latest run through with a male Hawke mage, I thought I would try the Merrill romance but the only reason I stuck to this was that I also slept with Isabella, so again ruined any chance with Fenris - otherwise I would have succumbed to him once more. He is the best romance IMHO.
However, there is a positive side to not romancing him in that you then get to experience him as a friend.

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motomotogirl wrote...

dangereusegirl wrote...

Having just completed another complete runthrough of DAO with a male Warden (my first to last longer than Lothering), I am about to attempt a male Hawke playthrough. And to challenge myself, I will not be romance Fenris. 


DON'T RESIST!!  The M!Hawke romance with Fenris is really sweet.  Hawke gets to be the big, strong protective one, someone Fenris can lean on in dark times (like, in their bedroom, with the lights off...).  Yeah, I know F!Hawke is one tough gal, but the dynamic is still a bit different.  Plus seeing Hawke's big arms wrap around Fenris' tiny waist in the last romance scene in the Gallows is like, toe-curlingly adorable.

If you want to play with the girls first that's always fun.  Play it in your head that Fenris is holding out so Hawke turns to Isa or Merry for some lovin :D


At the end of the game when he laid one on Hawke, all I could think was: where have you been all of my life? I never could play as a male character. I just can't get into that mindset. I guess, because  I want Fenris all for myself and I want to have his babies. D'awwwwww Fenbabies.

Does any of this make any sense? I'm giggling now.

I just want to state, before I get flamed to death,  that I have absolutely nothing against women who play the game as MHawke. It just doesn't work for me. But, hey, that's the beauty of roleplaying. Do what you like. Well, unless the writer states otherwise long after the game has been released and pretty much blows the illusion of it being a game for everyone.

Okay, shutting up now.

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aldien wrote...

At the end of the game when he laid one on Hawke, all I could think was: where have you been all of my life? I never could play as a male character. I just can't get into that mindset. I guess, because  I want Fenris all for myself and I want to have his babies. D'awwwwww Fenbabies.

Does any of this make any sense? I'm giggling now.

I just want to state, before I get flamed to death,  that I have absolutely nothing against women who play the game as MHawke. It just doesn't work for me. But, hey, that's the beauty of roleplaying. Do what you like. Well, unless the writer states otherwise long after the game has been released and pretty much blows the illusion of it being a game for everyone.

Okay, shutting up now.


My excuse for not trying out male hawke is no Aveline so bleh. Also *knocks on wood* dont jinx it now after hearing spoilers from asunder about our Kirkwall exploits.

Other than that...really fen babies? I mean its gonna be hard hiding the liquor from the babby daddy, but from the babies as well? You never be able to resist the double puppy eyes when they want something.
(I figured in an insane idea any kid of his would demand wine instead of breastmilk):pinched:

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aldien wrote...

At the end of the game when he laid one on Hawke, all I could think was: where have you been all of my life? I never could play as a male character. I just can't get into that mindset. I guess, because  I want Fenris all for myself and I want to have his babies. D'awwwwww Fenbabies.

Does any of this make any sense? I'm giggling now.

I just want to state, before I get flamed to death,  that I have absolutely nothing against women who play the game as MHawke. It just doesn't work for me. But, hey, that's the beauty of roleplaying. Do what you like. Well, unless the writer states otherwise long after the game has been released and pretty much blows the illusion of it being a game for everyone.

Okay, shutting up now.


That's my thing. Usually I play as a female character, if given the choice. I have no problem with male PCs, but I like playing as my own sex. The only reason I'm really doing a maleHawke runthrough now is because my sister wanted to watch me play DAO and she chose a male Cousland as my warden. As I was finishing Witch Hunt, I started thinking about how I was going to approach DA2 with Aedan's import. I wondered if maybe I should continue the male protagonist line, and something about that stuck with me. Thus, poor Daniel Hawke was born.

Besides the male PC and not romancing Fen challenges, I'm also going to see if I can friend everyone. I'm playing as a warrior (another first), so I don't have to worry about Carver. Right now I'm clearing out the random thugs in Lowtown and Hightown before I go and talk to Anso. Hopefully then I can do Fen's quest with little interruption.