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[Cosmochyck]

aldien wrote...

*snips pic*

Okay... now I can officially say I've seen it all.


I think DA3 might be set in Orlais. Doesn't DA usually follow Sandal? Now he's in Orlais so....just a guess.

Tashash don't be scared to mention Varania. She doesn't bite. Everyone's entitled to their opinion.



Varric: Opinions are like testicles. You kick them hard enough, doesn't matter how many you got.
Fenris: That's... something.

*rummages* for Fen picture

From what I saw on the DA3 panel at some expo (comic con?  UK one?), they showed where DA3 will be taking place and it's Orlais, Nevarra, Free Marches and Fereldan.  No Tevinter, Seheron, Anderfels or Antiva.  They also said it wouldn't be an "open" world, but there would be specific places in each. 

As for Varania, I agree that Leto is dead to her.  And she doesn't even know Fenris, which is why she can sell him out in the first place.  I have only let her live on one PT.

I'm not sure that Fenris would be that keen on wanting to visit Tevinter.  Even though Danrius is dead, he would have been "known" to the other magisters, which I'm thinking is bad for his health.  I would think that maybe he'd be more interested in seeing Seheron, but even then.  He seems to have some closure in most areas by the end of DA2, and I think he's probably content to stick by Hawke's side, wherever that may lead. 

Edit: ToP goodness from Louvette!

Modifié par Cosmochyck, 31 janvier 2012 - 02:53 .

[Dutchess]

Regarding the "torture Danarius option" that came up before... would it be somehow possible (for a mage Hawke) to sort of summon Danarius' ghost/spirit/something after he has died to get more information from him regarding the ritual? Or seek him out in the Fade.
I'm not sure what people in Thedas believe that happens to you after you die, except you go "to the Maker's side" according to Chantry followers.

[aldien]

Cosmochyck wrote...

aldien wrote...

*snips pic*

Okay... now I can officially say I've seen it all.


I think DA3 might be set in Orlais. Doesn't DA usually follow Sandal? Now he's in Orlais so....just a guess.

Tashash don't be scared to mention Varania. She doesn't bite. Everyone's entitled to their opinion.



Varric: Opinions are like testicles. You kick them hard enough, doesn't matter how many you got.
Fenris: That's... something.

*rummages* for Fen picture

From what I saw on the DA3 panel at some expo (comic con?  UK one?), they showed where DA3 will be taking place and it's Orlais, Nevarra, Free Marches and Fereldan.  No Tevinter, Seheron, Anderfels or Antiva.  They also said it wouldn't be an "open" world, but there would be specific places in each. 

As for Varania, I agree that Leto is dead to her.  And she doesn't even know Fenris, which is why she can sell him out in the first place.  I have only let her live on one PT.

I'm not sure that Fenris would be that keen on wanting to visit Tevinter.  Even though Danrius is dead, he would have been "known" to the other magisters, which I'm thinking is bad for his health.  I would think that maybe he'd be more interested in seeing Seheron, but even then.  He seems to have some closure in most areas by the end of DA2, and I think he's probably content to stick by Hawke's side, wherever that may lead. 

Edit: ToP goodness from Louvette!

Well, that confirms my suspicion. Orlais would be fun. The accent would get old, but I love stinky cheese.

That is one lurvely picture!! It shall go in my Fenris folder of love.

I agree, I think Fenris has had enough with his past. He knows his mother is dead and his sister used him. The only steady thing in his life is Hawke. He says he wants to move forward, so I took that to mean bye bye baggage.

I doubt we will ever know what happens to him and Hawke. I think Bioware is done with DA2 dlc. Poor Fenris gets a kicking by lots of people. I just have my doubts that we will see him again And I find it very upsetting. I guess that's why we have fanfiction.

Modifié par aldien, 31 janvier 2012 - 06:39 .

[aldien]

renjility wrote...

Regarding the "torture Danarius option" that came up before... would it be somehow possible (for a mage Hawke) to sort of summon Danarius' ghost/spirit/something after he has died to get more information from him regarding the ritual? Or seek him out in the Fade.
I'm not sure what people in Thedas believe that happens to you after you die, except you go "to the Maker's side" according to Chantry followers.

That's an interesting idea. wonder if Danarius would have any power in the Fade?

This got me thinking. Do you think there is a book out there that explains the ritual and the markings? I assume Danarius got his info from somewhere. It would be like a Fenris owner's manual If a mage Hawke could find that then maybe it would give them some needed answers. *shrugs*

Modifié par aldien, 31 janvier 2012 - 06:44 .

[Sealy]

Hey playing ME2 playthroughs since I deleted them all to make room for Mass effect. Did they ever fix the dialogue in Legacy for romanced Fen?

[Cosmochyck]

Fleshdress wrote...

Hey playing ME2 playthroughs since I deleted them all to make room for Mass effect. Did they ever fix the dialogue in Legacy for romanced Fen?

No, not that I ever heard.  I agree with aldien - I think the devs are done with DA2.  I really hope we do get some insight into what happens to Hawke and the sexy elf in the future though.  Fenris has a lot of fans! 

I'm done all my ME2 PTs, so now the wait is on.  In the meantime, I've started a new mage PT of DA2.  Gotta have me some Fenris!

[AbsoluteApril]

well they have said we would 'see' our Wardens and Hawkes again, I suspect probably as cameos..

(OT - my 4 Shepards are ready and waiting for ME3, I have a 5th in the works but decided to hold off on her until after PTs in ME3 to see if I want to 'fix' any major decisions, although I did cover most of them both ways with my other 4 PTs.. can't wait until 3/6!)

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 31 janvier 2012 - 08:04 .

[AbsoluteApril]

oh I just saw back around pg 1924 that you guys were all discussing if and how you'd want to see Fenris in DA3 - oops! that's what I get for posting without catching up first /shame

[Dutchess]

aldien wrote...

renjility wrote...

Regarding the "torture Danarius option" that came up before... would it be somehow possible (for a mage Hawke) to sort of summon Danarius' ghost/spirit/something after he has died to get more information from him regarding the ritual? Or seek him out in the Fade.
I'm not sure what people in Thedas believe that happens to you after you die, except you go "to the Maker's side" according to Chantry followers.

That's an interesting idea. wonder if Danarius would have any power in the Fade?

This got me thinking. Do you think there is a book out there that explains the ritual and the markings? I assume Danarius got his info from somewhere. It would be like a Fenris owner's manual If a mage Hawke could find that then maybe it would give them some needed answers. *shrugs*

There might very well be a book that describes the ritual or at least gave Danarius the idea. I think Danarius has also experimented quite a bit before he actually got it all to work. And perhaps he has destroyed the tome after the ritual was complete to keep the ritual a secret.

[aldien]

renjility wrote...

aldien wrote...

renjility wrote...

Regarding the "torture Danarius option" that came up before... would it be somehow possible (for a mage Hawke) to sort of summon Danarius' ghost/spirit/something after he has died to get more information from him regarding the ritual? Or seek him out in the Fade.
I'm not sure what people in Thedas believe that happens to you after you die, except you go "to the Maker's side" according to Chantry followers.

That's an interesting idea. wonder if Danarius would have any power in the Fade?

This got me thinking. Do you think there is a book out there that explains the ritual and the markings? I assume Danarius got his info from somewhere. It would be like a Fenris owner's manual If a mage Hawke could find that then maybe it would give them some needed answers. *shrugs*

There might very well be a book that describes the ritual or at least gave Danarius the idea. I think Danarius has also experimented quite a bit before he actually got it all to work. And perhaps he has destroyed the tome after the ritual was complete to keep the ritual a secret.

Hmmm Fenris says in the game that warriors such as him are rare, so that means there was others like him. I don't think Danarius had another slave like Fenris, though that would have been interesting if he did, because he could have sent the slave after Fenris. two lyrium imbued slaves fighting each other would have been quite the battle. But, I have to wonder then, if maybe it just came down to cost. Lyrium doesn't come cheap. Perhaps, the ritual can be performed by most magisters, but not all can afford to do it.

Modifié par aldien, 01 février 2012 - 12:07 .

[AbsoluteApril]

I was wondering the same thing when he said there were not many like him...

**

still catching up, but thought this might make for more good discussion so yeah, I'm bringing it back up:

Arquen wrote...

As far as slave -- DG said that Tevinter is akin to Rome. I see slavery there as akin to slavery in ancient Rome. It is different than slavery in the Americas.

some interesting quick reads about slavery in Rome:
http://www.historyle...oman_slaves.htm
http://www.richeast....y/slavery2.html
http://www.pbs.org/e...es_freemen.html

tidbits from those:
"All slaves and their families were the property of their owners, who could sell or rent them out at any time. Their lives were harsh. Slaves were often whipped, branded or cruelly mistreated." 

"When his master awoke, a slave would be expected to assist dressing him"
 yuk naked danarius

"Slavery, was accepted as part of life in ancient Rome by the slaves themselves and by the society"

**
"In hard times, it was not uncommon for desperate Roman citizens to raise money by selling their children into slavery. "

Do you think Fenris and Varania's mother sold them and was not a slave herself?

Did Fenris compete just to free his sister or was it 'his family' I cannot remember right now

[UrsulaCousland]

Grr, phone posting...anyway, I think Varania implies it was her and their mother in her reference to their mother's death in the "let her live" dialog.

[Dutchess]

Yes, Fenris used the boon to have his mother and Varania freed. So their mother was a slave as well. Nothing is known about the father, though.

I didn't remember Fenris saying warriors like him were rare. That would indeed mean there are more out there. Hmm, that's definitely interesting.

Modifié par renjility, 01 février 2012 - 10:03 .

[Cosmochyck]

Good morning!
Just popping in to drop this off!

by ~fieldsofamaranth

[Catriana]

If you guys haven't already, this interview may give you some insights concerning a few assumptions I saw being made here about DA 3.

http://swooping-is-b...om/1286233.html

Which is to say, not to make too many.

[Cosmochyck]

The discussion I was referring to was this one at NYCC Comic Con in Oct with Mike Laidlaw from Bioware.
Around minute 4:50 is where they start showing and discussing the maps.

I figure at this point it's really too early to say what they will end up doing.  Hope it's something great!  I'd love to see my Warden or Hawke again - with Fenris of course. 

Modifié par Cosmochyck, 01 février 2012 - 03:21 .

[Harle Cerulean]

Fenris does say warriors like himself are rare, but David Gaider has also said that Fenris is the only one of his kind, that he was an experiment by Danarius, so I'm presuming by 'rare' he means "I've never heard of another one and Danarius used me as a status symbol." It's possible that the theory for making a lyrium warrior has been bandied about Tevinter for a while, and Danarius is simply the only one who has been successful in making it a reality, which could lead to comments from other magisters like "So this is your lyrium warrior?" and thus possibly give Fenris the impression that there might be others out there (because of the possessive, which could imply there are more which do not belong to Danarius).

[Dutchess]

Ah, so that explains why I thought there are indeed no other lyrium warriors.

[aldien]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Fenris does say warriors like himself are rare, but David Gaider has also said that Fenris is the only one of his kind, that he was an experiment by Danarius, so I'm presuming by 'rare' he means "I've never heard of another one and Danarius used me as a status symbol." It's possible that the theory for making a lyrium warrior has been bandied about Tevinter for a while, and Danarius is simply the only one who has been successful in making it a reality, which could lead to comments from other magisters like "So this is your lyrium warrior?" and thus possibly give Fenris the impression that there might be others out there (because of the possessive, which could imply there are more which do not belong to Danarius).

I tend to keep David Gaider and the game seperate because it gets contradictory and confusing quickly. The writer also said Fenris was supposed to be a male LI only, but that didn't make it into the game (thank the maker). So, how is one supposed to know what applies across the board? It's like a salad that hasn't been quite tossed. (didn't sound right) Do I add tomato? Do I not?

I think in David Gaider's short story of Fenris the elf ogles a woman's breasts. So is he homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual now? I have no idea.

For me, stories and the game remain seperate entities or I will lose my mind trying to figure it all out. I think David Gaider has already lost his from what I've seen on his Twitter account and I can understand why. I'm telling you, trying to keep all of this straight will do you in.

Modifié par aldien, 01 février 2012 - 04:24 .

[aldien]

Cosmochyck wrote...

The discussion I was referring to was this one at NYCC Comic Con in Oct with Mike Laidlaw from Bioware.
Around minute 4:50 is where they start showing and discussing the maps.

I figure at this point it's really too early to say what they will end up doing.  Hope it's something great!  I'd love to see my Warden or Hawke again - with Fenris of course. 

I was thinking about this...

I don't think I'd like to see a cameo of Hawke and Fenris. Don't get me wrong, I love Fenris to death, but would a short meeting with them really feel fulfilling? I'd rather leave it up to my imagination.

Modifié par aldien, 01 février 2012 - 04:29 .

[Harle Cerulean]

aldien wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Fenris does say warriors like himself are rare, but David Gaider has also said that Fenris is the only one of his kind, that he was an experiment by Danarius, so I'm presuming by 'rare' he means "I've never heard of another one and Danarius used me as a status symbol." It's possible that the theory for making a lyrium warrior has been bandied about Tevinter for a while, and Danarius is simply the only one who has been successful in making it a reality, which could lead to comments from other magisters like "So this is your lyrium warrior?" and thus possibly give Fenris the impression that there might be others out there (because of the possessive, which could imply there are more which do not belong to Danarius).

I tend to keep David Gaider and the game seperate because it gets contradictory and confusing quickly. The writer also said Fenris was supposed to be a male LI only, but that didn't make it into the game (thank the maker). So, how is one supposed to know what applies across the board? It's like a salad that hasn't been quite tossed. (didn't sound right) Do I add tomato? Do I not?

I think in David Gaider's short story of Fenris the elf ogles a woman's breasts. So is he homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual now? I have no idea.

For me, stories and the game remain seperate entities or I will lose my mind trying to figure it all out. I think David Gaider has already lost his from what I've seen on his Twitter account and I can understand why. I'm telling you, trying to keep all of this straight will do you in.

Gaider did not say that Fenris was supposed to be a male-only LI; he said that he wrote Fenris with m!Hawke in mind, but that does not mean Fenris was planned to be available solely for m!Hawke. It means that that was what Gaider himself was picturing.  The LIs were always meant to be bisexual.  (Except possibly Sebastian, who is heterosexual in practice in the game; if that was always intended for him, I don't know.)   Moreover, just because Gaider visualized male Hawke when writing the romance, it doesn't mean Fenris was meant to be gay.  His possible relationship with Isabela, and his appreciation of the female assets of the lady in the short story make it pretty clear he likes women.  See again: bisexual.

I've seen very few - if any, I can't actually think of any - incidents of Gaider contradicting the game, personally.  I've seen him give personal thoughts, or extra information, or regrets of why things turned out as they did, but not contradictions - aside from things that contradict some of the potential ending blurbs for DA:O, such as about Cullen.

[aldien]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

aldien wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Fenris does say warriors like himself are rare, but David Gaider has also said that Fenris is the only one of his kind, that he was an experiment by Danarius, so I'm presuming by 'rare' he means "I've never heard of another one and Danarius used me as a status symbol." It's possible that the theory for making a lyrium warrior has been bandied about Tevinter for a while, and Danarius is simply the only one who has been successful in making it a reality, which could lead to comments from other magisters like "So this is your lyrium warrior?" and thus possibly give Fenris the impression that there might be others out there (because of the possessive, which could imply there are more which do not belong to Danarius).

I tend to keep David Gaider and the game seperate because it gets contradictory and confusing quickly. The writer also said Fenris was supposed to be a male LI only, but that didn't make it into the game (thank the maker). So, how is one supposed to know what applies across the board? It's like a salad that hasn't been quite tossed. (didn't sound right) Do I add tomato? Do I not?

I think in David Gaider's short story of Fenris the elf ogles a woman's breasts. So is he homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual now? I have no idea.

For me, stories and the game remain seperate entities or I will lose my mind trying to figure it all out. I think David Gaider has already lost his from what I've seen on his Twitter account and I can understand why. I'm telling you, trying to keep all of this straight will do you in.

Gaider did not say that Fenris was supposed to be a male-only LI; he said that he wrote Fenris with m!Hawke in mind, but that does not mean Fenris was planned to be available solely for m!Hawke. It means that that was what Gaider himself was picturing.  The LIs were always meant to be bisexual.  (Except possibly Sebastian, who is heterosexual in practice in the game; if that was always intended for him, I don't know.)   Moreover, just because Gaider visualized male Hawke when writing the romance, it doesn't mean Fenris was meant to be gay.  His possible relationship with Isabela, and his appreciation of the female assets of the lady in the short story make it pretty clear he likes women.  See again: bisexual.

I've seen very few - if any, I can't actually think of any - incidents of Gaider contradicting the game, personally.  I've seen him give personal thoughts, or extra information, or regrets of why things turned out as they did, but not contradictions - aside from things that contradict some of the potential ending blurbs for DA:O, such as about Cullen.

I feel that if you are writing for a roleplaying game it might be a good idea not to state what you had in mind for a character's sexual orientation. It kind of breaks the illusion that Fenris was meant to be a character for people with different sexual preferences. No, they didn't exclude a heterosexual relationship in the game, but, all the same, I didn't want to know that the wall slamming scene was made with a Fenris/MHawke in mind. I didn't want to know any of this honestly. But, someone with good intentions felt the need to tell me. Now I'm stuck with it swirling around in the empty space that is my mind.

In David Gaider's vizualisation male Hawke was the choice for the Fenris romance. Isn't the intent then that Fenris is homosexual?

Wasn't that short story released after the game?

Modifié par aldien, 01 février 2012 - 09:55 .

[aldien]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

aldien wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Fenris does say warriors like himself are rare, but David Gaider has also said that Fenris is the only one of his kind, that he was an experiment by Danarius, so I'm presuming by 'rare' he means "I've never heard of another one and Danarius used me as a status symbol." It's possible that the theory for making a lyrium warrior has been bandied about Tevinter for a while, and Danarius is simply the only one who has been successful in making it a reality, which could lead to comments from other magisters like "So this is your lyrium warrior?" and thus possibly give Fenris the impression that there might be others out there (because of the possessive, which could imply there are more which do not belong to Danarius).

I tend to keep David Gaider and the game seperate because it gets contradictory and confusing quickly. The writer also said Fenris was supposed to be a male LI only, but that didn't make it into the game (thank the maker). So, how is one supposed to know what applies across the board? It's like a salad that hasn't been quite tossed. (didn't sound right) Do I add tomato? Do I not?

I think in David Gaider's short story of Fenris the elf ogles a woman's breasts. So is he homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual now? I have no idea.

For me, stories and the game remain seperate entities or I will lose my mind trying to figure it all out. I think David Gaider has already lost his from what I've seen on his Twitter account and I can understand why. I'm telling you, trying to keep all of this straight will do you in.

Gaider did not say that Fenris was supposed to be a male-only LI; he said that he wrote Fenris with m!Hawke in mind, but that does not mean Fenris was planned to be available solely for m!Hawke. It means that that was what Gaider himself was picturing.  The LIs were always meant to be bisexual.  (Except possibly Sebastian, who is heterosexual in practice in the game; if that was always intended for him, I don't know.)   Moreover, just because Gaider visualized male Hawke when writing the romance, it doesn't mean Fenris was meant to be gay.  His possible relationship with Isabela, and his appreciation of the female assets of the lady in the short story make it pretty clear he likes women.  See again: bisexual.

I've seen very few - if any, I can't actually think of any - incidents of Gaider contradicting the game, personally.  I've seen him give personal thoughts, or extra information, or regrets of why things turned out as they did, but not contradictions - aside from things that contradict some of the potential ending blurbs for DA:O, such as about Cullen.

I feel that if you are writing for a roleplaying game it might be a good idea not to state what you had in mind for a character's sexual orientation. It kind of breaks the illusion that Fenris was meant to be a character for people of different sexual preferences. No, they didn't exclude a heterosexual relationship in the game, but, all the same, I didn't want to know that the wall slamming scene was made with a Fenris/MHawke in mind. I didn't want to know any of this honestly. But, someone with good intentions felt the need to tell me. Now I'm stuck with it swirling around in the empty space that is my mind.

In David Gaider's vizualisation male Hawke was the choice for the Fenris romance. Isn't the intent then that Fenris is homosexual? This is why I keep what the writer says and what is in the game seperate, because it become somewhat of a contradiction.

Wasn't that short story released after the game?

Blah, when it comes down to it all I want to do is perv Fenris in peace. I really should stay off the forums, but I like the pictures too much! Then I get into debates. I need my therapist pronto! 

Sorry for the double post!

Modifié par aldien, 01 février 2012 - 10:06 .

[Ghost_Nappa]

aldien wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...

aldien wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Fenris does say warriors like himself are rare, but David Gaider has also said that Fenris is the only one of his kind, that he was an experiment by Danarius, so I'm presuming by 'rare' he means "I've never heard of another one and Danarius used me as a status symbol." It's possible that the theory for making a lyrium warrior has been bandied about Tevinter for a while, and Danarius is simply the only one who has been successful in making it a reality, which could lead to comments from other magisters like "So this is your lyrium warrior?" and thus possibly give Fenris the impression that there might be others out there (because of the possessive, which could imply there are more which do not belong to Danarius).

I tend to keep David Gaider and the game seperate because it gets contradictory and confusing quickly. The writer also said Fenris was supposed to be a male LI only, but that didn't make it into the game (thank the maker). So, how is one supposed to know what applies across the board? It's like a salad that hasn't been quite tossed. (didn't sound right) Do I add tomato? Do I not?

I think in David Gaider's short story of Fenris the elf ogles a woman's breasts. So is he homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual now? I have no idea.

For me, stories and the game remain seperate entities or I will lose my mind trying to figure it all out. I think David Gaider has already lost his from what I've seen on his Twitter account and I can understand why. I'm telling you, trying to keep all of this straight will do you in.

Gaider did not say that Fenris was supposed to be a male-only LI; he said that he wrote Fenris with m!Hawke in mind, but that does not mean Fenris was planned to be available solely for m!Hawke. It means that that was what Gaider himself was picturing.  The LIs were always meant to be bisexual.  (Except possibly Sebastian, who is heterosexual in practice in the game; if that was always intended for him, I don't know.)   Moreover, just because Gaider visualized male Hawke when writing the romance, it doesn't mean Fenris was meant to be gay.  His possible relationship with Isabela, and his appreciation of the female assets of the lady in the short story make it pretty clear he likes women.  See again: bisexual.

I've seen very few - if any, I can't actually think of any - incidents of Gaider contradicting the game, personally.  I've seen him give personal thoughts, or extra information, or regrets of why things turned out as they did, but not contradictions - aside from things that contradict some of the potential ending blurbs for DA:O, such as about Cullen.

I feel that if you are writing for a roleplaying game it might be a good idea not to state what you had in mind for a character's sexual orientation. It kind of breaks the illusion that Fenris was meant to be a character for people of different sexual preferences. No, they didn't exclude a heterosexual relationship in the game, but, all the same, I didn't want to know that the wall slamming scene was made with a Fenris/MHawke in mind. I didn't want to know any of this honestly. But, someone with good intentions felt the need to tell me. Now I'm stuck with it swirling around in the empty space that is my mind.

In David Gaider's vizualisation male Hawke was the choice for the Fenris romance. Isn't the intent then that Fenris is homosexual? This is why I keep what the writer says and what is in the game seperate, because it become somewhat of a contradiction.

Wasn't that short story released after the game?

Blah, when it comes down to it all I want to do is perv Fenris in peace. I really should stay off the forums, but I like the pictures too much! Then I get into debates. I need my therapist pronto! 

Sorry for the double post!

I think that might be a problem for video game writer vs novel writer. Now the idea is jumbled in my idea so I wanted to get this out before I go back to work.

For our example of Fenris being written with a male hawke during Gaider's mind it does start off as a Homosexual love scene. However he is working for a game company that wants to tailor to all its players base without hurting them, so he has no final say if Fenris was bi, het, ****** regardless what the majority fanbase says.

But if he was writing a novel then it becomes outright and unchangible he is going to be with male hawke even if this does ****** off certain fans.

Granted its a weird win-win, win-lose for either scenario, but we could discuss thsi on the "bisexuality' thread and how it just kills immersion for some people. But Ill just out and out say when 90% of a cast is BI Ill just stop watch/play/reading the franchise.

[Harle Cerulean]

aldien wrote...

I feel that if you are writing for a roleplaying game it might be a good idea not to state what you had in mind for a character's sexual orientation. It kind of breaks the illusion that Fenris was meant to be a character for people of different sexual preferences. No, they didn't exclude a heterosexual relationship in the game, but, all the same, I didn't want to know that the wall slamming scene was made with a Fenris/MHawke in mind. I didn't want to know any of this honestly. But, someone with good intentions felt the need to tell me. Now I'm stuck with it swirling around in the empty space that is my mind.

In David Gaider's vizualisation male Hawke was the choice for the Fenris romance. Isn't the intent then that Fenris is homosexual? This is why I keep what the writer says and what is in the game seperate, because it become somewhat of a contradiction.

Wasn't that short story released after the game?

Blah, when it comes down to it all I want to do is perv Fenris in peace. I really should stay off the forums, but I like the pictures too much! Then I get into debates. I need my therapist pronto! 

Sorry for the double post!

For starters, no, that does not make Fenris homosexual.  Sexuality is not determined by who you are with, sexuality is determined by who you are attracted to.  Fenris is attracted to both males and females regardless of Hawke's sex or gender.  He is the same character, no matter what is between Hawke's legs or ears.   Fenris is attracted to men and women, therefore he is bisexual.

Second, a female Hawke's romance with Fenris is no less meaningful or complete than a male Hawke's.  Would you consider the male romance less meaningful if Gaider had a female Hawke in mind when he wrote it?  I highly doubt it, since heterosexual romance is the socially reinforced 'default', and homosexual romance, when present, is expected to be, at most, an "extra."  Might it have been wiser of him not to mention his mental visualization?  Possibly, if only because there are people with confused ideas of what makes sexuality and meaning.

Fenris' feelings and actions are the same whether Hawke is male or female.  This makes the romances equal.  If you truly can't stomach that Gaider thought of male Hawke, and not female Hawke, then I'm very sorry, but . . .

Welcome to the world of every gay gamer playing every game out there except this one.  The options are both there, which is a hell of a lot more than can be said for most games.