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[AbsoluteApril]

someone earlier in this thread (sorry for not giving proper credit!) said that Fenris is Hawkesexual which I thought was quite appropriate


edit - Shoot I got a TOP

here you go, probably repeats from pages back but alas, short notice:

By ~Shemori in DA
(I still can't figure out how to link the name to their page correctly)


By ~Sideburn004 on DA

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 02 février 2012 - 01:02 .

[aldien]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

aldien wrote...

I feel that if you are writing for a roleplaying game it might be a good idea not to state what you had in mind for a character's sexual orientation. It kind of breaks the illusion that Fenris was meant to be a character for people of different sexual preferences. No, they didn't exclude a heterosexual relationship in the game, but, all the same, I didn't want to know that the wall slamming scene was made with a Fenris/MHawke in mind. I didn't want to know any of this honestly. But, someone with good intentions felt the need to tell me. Now I'm stuck with it swirling around in the empty space that is my mind.

In David Gaider's vizualisation male Hawke was the choice for the Fenris romance. Isn't the intent then that Fenris is homosexual? This is why I keep what the writer says and what is in the game seperate, because it become somewhat of a contradiction.

Wasn't that short story released after the game?

Blah, when it comes down to it all I want to do is perv Fenris in peace. I really should stay off the forums, but I like the pictures too much! Then I get into debates. I need my therapist pronto! 

Sorry for the double post!

For starters, no, that does not make Fenris homosexual.  Sexuality is not determined by who you are with, sexuality is determined by who you are attracted to.  Fenris is attracted to both males and females regardless of Hawke's sex or gender.  He is the same character, no matter what is between Hawke's legs or ears.   Fenris is attracted to men and women, therefore he is bisexual.

Second, a female Hawke's romance with Fenris is no less meaningful or complete than a male Hawke's.  Would you consider the male romance less meaningful if Gaider had a female Hawke in mind when he wrote it?  I highly doubt it, since heterosexual romance is the socially reinforced 'default', and homosexual romance, when present, is expected to be, at most, an "extra."  Might it have been wiser of him not to mention his mental visualization?  Possibly, if only because there are people with confused ideas of what makes sexuality and meaning.

Fenris' feelings and actions are the same whether Hawke is male or female.  This makes the romances equal.  If you truly can't stomach that Gaider thought of male Hawke, and not female Hawke, then I'm very sorry, but . . .

Welcome to the world of every gay gamer playing every game out there except this one.  The options are both there, which is a hell of a lot more than can be said for most games.

According to the game he can be attracted to either a male or female. But, as far as I know, David Gaider never stated that he had a bisexual character in mind when he was writing Fenris. If he had, I would not have taken offense. I am simply going on what was stated by the writer and he stated male. That is why I think it would have been best if he had not elaborated on this particular subject.

Do I have a problem with homosexual male relationships? I could care less. What people do in their bedroom is their own business. It doesn't define a person or make them less than or worthwhile. Human sexuality in all forms is a beautiful thing. I just wish the rest of the world saw it that way.

Do I have a vendetta against the writer? No.

Do I have an opinion on the matter? Yes.

If we are talking about the game, Fenris can be whatever sexual preference you wish. I applaud Bioware for that. This is why I seperate the game from the writer. It is also why I see things as a contradiction between the two, if that makes sense?

Second, a female Hawke's romance with Fenris is no less meaningful or
complete than a male Hawke's.  

I agree and I never said that it was not.

Would you consider the male romance less
meaningful if Gaider had a female Hawke in mind when he wrote it?  I
highly doubt it, since heterosexual romance is the socially reinforced
'default', and homosexual romance, when present, is expected to be, at
most, an "extra."  

You are putting words into my mouth and assuming you know what I think.

Does this mean because I am a heterosexual female that I don't deserve the same consideration as a homosexual male?

There aren't exactly a lot of games out there that have heterosexual females in mind when they are made. Trust me, we are very much an afterthought too. Actually, most games are designed for heterosexual men and women tend to be overeaggerated in certain areas to please them. We are sometimes little more than a piece of mutton.

Might it have been wiser of him not to mention his
mental visualization?  Possibly, if only because there are people with
confused ideas of what makes sexuality and meaning.

Sexuality and its meaning is different to everyone. I get that. It's a beautiful thing regardless of body parts. But this is a very specific discussion about a game and a writer . It's about roleplaying and everyone should be allowed to play as they see fit without feeling like they were an afterthought.

You know what's funny? When David Gaider made that statement I felt like an afterthought. I felt like the character wasn't intended for my sexual preference and I was crushed. I felt like Fenris was being pigeonholed and that saddened me when the game made it feel like it was meant for everyone. That is exactly how I felt. I just didn't have the balls to say it until now.

  If you truly can't stomach that Gaider thought of male Hawke, and not female Hawke, then I'm very sorry, but . . .

I didn't say I couldn't stomach it. I didn't say anything of the sort. All I said is that I didn't want to know, that it shattered the roleplaying illusion. I am certain there are people out there who would have been equally disappointed if he had mentioned an FHawke in mind for the Fenris romance. There are many who love this game because it does not adhere to the 'default' heterosexual views of romance. I am one of them. I believe everyone should play how they want and without feeling the characters are defined in any way. Isn't that what gives a person the feeling of freedom when they play this game?

I just wanted Fenris to remain a blank slate. That's all.

[Feyla]

tl:dr

Fenris fan pic!

[Harle Cerulean]

Gaider also never stated that Fenris is homosexual.

For the record, I'm a bisexual female. I have romanced Fenris with male and female Hawkes, and I would never consider female Hawke to be an "afterthought." The fact that you think that is what tells me that you're thinking about this with straight privilege firmly ingrained in your thought processes.

But I'm not wasting my time arguing with you. Neither of us is going to agree, clearly, so there's no point in continuing to explicate why I believe you're wrong, and you believe you're right.

[Ghost_Nappa]

Ladies, please we can take this to messages if you want to talk it out like adults and not turn it into a 'personal war'. Perhaps a change of subject to ease your minds? Something lighter?

If you could envision Fenris with a certain pet name that pet and why it would fit with him.

[CuriousArtemis]

My, my, some people do get terribly worked up over Teh Gay. I'm just happy Fenris is ready and available for my M!Hawke to ravish and enjoy each time I start up the game And because I'm so goshdarned considerate, I'm damned glad he's ready and waiting for all the lovely FemHawke's out there, too xD

My god, April, that second pic is stunning *_*

Pet names for Fenris ... well there is the ubiquitous Fenbear. *snuggle*

I imagine my Hawke calling him "Grumps" or "Wino" xD

[aldien]

*sighs* Why does Fenris and Anders dialogue suddenly come to mind?

I now understand the genius behind their bickering.

Modifié par aldien, 02 février 2012 - 02:17 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Oh PET ... hahahaha xD

Let's see, he would obviously be a cat person. I mean, no questions asked.

[Ghost_Nappa]

I should of uped the ante in the pet suggestions...name a breed along with why! (hint moto some cats are more playful than others and/or need more care)

@Aldien: It happens to the best of us. *comfort*

[UrsulaCousland]

Ghost_Nappa wrote...

I should of uped the ante in the pet suggestions...name a breed along with why! (hint moto some cats are more playful than others and/or need more care)

@Aldien: It happens to the best of us. *comfort*

I think if Fenris were a cat, he'd be either a half-psychotic Siamese or a Bengal. (I prefer to think of friendmanced Fenris as a Bengal personally - but Siamese can be quite moody IIRC ) 

To clarify - Bengals are smart and their markings could almost be argued to match. Also, they seem to have a sense of humor and can troll you with the best of cat-kind. 

Is it sad that I nearly tried to get one of my cats (who I suspect is part Bengal) named Fenris?  (I dropped it when we named his sister Isabela - that was too weird. )

Modifié par UrsulaCousland, 02 février 2012 - 02:36 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Oh I see; getting sneaky on us here, eh *rubs chin*

Let me see; I'd say he'd have Main ******. They are friendly but yet aloof. They want to be in the room with you, but they sure are not going to jump in your lap and be all rubby-rubby friendly friendly.

A big, gray tabby Main ******. A female

At night, they would snuggle in bed.

[aldien]

Can elves get fleas? Hmmm... Since we are on cats, I'd say an Abyssinian. They are temperamental, agile and fearless. When one is stretched out it reminds me of Fenris and his long limbs.

[Ghost_Nappa]

Hehehe usually I be the person who choose cats, almost became a cat lady, so IM gonna combo break here... Dog: Rotwiellers.

Now these dogs have a bad reputation in illegal dog fights for being vicious killers, but its more so due to their handlers turning them into fighting machines through abuse and starvation.
Treat them with loving care with respect and they are the biggest sweethearts who are loyal to their 'mommies' and are extremely careful around children.

[CuriousArtemis]

Yeah, rotties are sweet -- OH -- on that note, I know another breed that is very Fen-ish. The doberman. Can't you just see him with a gorgeous gray-with-brown-points dobie? With ears uncut of course because a former slave wouldn't stand for such mutilations!

[aldien]

motomotogirl wrote...

Yeah, rotties are sweet -- OH -- on that note, I know another breed that is very Fen-ish. The doberman. Can't you just see him with a gorgeous gray-with-brown-points dobie? With ears uncut of course because a former slave wouldn't stand for such mutilations!

Awwww I can so see that.... I had a Doberman when I was growing up. We bought her from the animal shelter. She was the most loyal and loveable dog. Strangely, her names was Mouse. No we didn't name her that. I still get sentimental when I think about her. She was just the best pet. Now my cat, Seti. That's a different story. A fat lazy old cat. That says it all.

[AbsoluteApril]

I also see Fenris as an Abyssinian, all long and lanky and agile or maybe a Sphynx cause he's barefoot
puuurrrr

and oh my gosh I'm naming my next male cat Fenris!!

(I did name one of my orange snakes Aveline)

I have 3 cats, well on my way to crazy cat lady status - Gaia, Nimbus and Jinxy (Jinx is the one in my 'thank you bioware' vid in sig)

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 02 février 2012 - 03:23 .

[Ghost_Nappa]

Oh yeah I can definately see that...I still want the cat over him though.


VS

[Harle Cerulean]

Since Anders likes cats, I tend to imagine Fenris would profess to despise them if he were to express an opinion. In actuality, I think he's likely not all that good with animals, but has nothing against either cats or dogs. He seems to hold a certain respect and perhaps even amused, distant kinship with the Mabari - it's easy to see him comparing himself to the Mabari in his conversation about them in Hawke's manor. An experiment by the magisters that turned on them and sought lives of their own choosing?

Now, what he acts like . . . I'd have to go with more catlike. He's very independent, or wants to be, and absolutely full of offended dignity. He also can't decide which side of Hawke's door he wants to be on . . .

[Tashash]

Wow...Things hot a bit heated here didn't they?

motomogogirl wrote...
Yeah, rotties are sweet -- OH -- on that note, I know another breed that is very Fen-ish. The doberman. Can't you just see him with a gorgeous gray-with-brown-points dobie? With ears uncut of course because a former slave wouldn't stand for such mutilations!

Awww, rotties. Two of my family dogs were rotties - I have a soft spot for them bigger than Danarius' ego!

aldien wrote...
Awwww I can so see that.... I had a Doberman when I was growing up. We bought her from the animal shelter. She was the most loyal and loveable dog. Strangely, her names was Mouse. No we didn't name her that. I still get sentimental when I think about her. She was just the best pet. Now my cat, Seti. That's a different story. A fat lazy old cat. That says it all.

LOL - Aliden your Seti sounds like my Buddy...Who is a very badly named cat, and the reason we will never let my sister name pets again.

Hmmmm, so Fenris as a cat/dog? Great, I happen to be a crazy cat lady-in-training who works with dogs....

So for cat I like the Turkish Van, they may look elegant and dainty but they are in fact very athletic, also they are very discerning - you earn a Van's loyalty and friendship.

And for a dog....Hmmm, I like Doberman too motomotogirl.

And since it's on-topic (I know, I've posted it before ).

By Mipeltaja

[UrsulaCousland]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Since Anders likes cats, I tend to imagine Fenris would profess to despise them if he were to express an opinion. In actuality, I think he's likely not all that good with animals, but has nothing against either cats or dogs. He seems to hold a certain respect and perhaps even amused, distant kinship with the Mabari - it's easy to see him comparing himself to the Mabari in his conversation about them in Hawke's manor. An experiment by the magisters that turned on them and sought lives of their own choosing?

Now, what he acts like . . . I'd have to go with more catlike. He's very independent, or wants to be, and absolutely full of offended dignity. He also can't decide which side of Hawke's door he wants to be on . . .

Pffffftttt *ROFL* Too true, and excellent points! (And, if you touch him he may claw you, but to the right person he's very sweet. )

I love that cat pic, Tash - although I think of those guys, Varric-kitty and Isy-kitty are my favorites. Fenris still looks badass though.

ANd for the record, my 3 kitties are Xerxes, Isabela, and Kelsier. <3

Modifié par UrsulaCousland, 02 février 2012 - 04:06 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Okay, this always gets me -- Aveline-kitty and Anders-kitty, which is which?!

[Harle Cerulean]

I would guess that the orange, bigger one is Aveline, while the skinny, mournful, blond one is Anders. XD

[Tashash]

motomotogirl wrote...

Okay, this always gets me -- Aveline-kitty and Anders-kitty, which is which?!

Top, from left to right - Isabela, Fenris, Merrill.
Bottom from left to right - Aveline, Varric, Hawke, Anders.

[ladyshamen]

De-lurking >> In the bigger pic you can see 'freckles' on the orange cat on the left. That would be Aveline:)

I too have 3 cats! One is an Egyption Mau. He has unique markings, very smart, and very protective. He has growled at people like a dog would!

I wou;dn't think Fenris had much inter-action with animals. After all, pets make people happy, and I doubt Danrius would want Fenris to have much pleasure in his life. IMO

Modifié par ladyshamen, 02 février 2012 - 10:04 .

[aldien]

I love the kitty picture! It is the first time I have seen it. Adorables.

AbsoluteApril said: and oh my gosh I'm naming my next male cat Fenris!!

(I did name one of my orange snakes Aveline)

I have 3 cats, well on my way to crazy cat lady status - Gaia, Nimbus and Jinxy (Jinx is the one in my 'thank you bioware' vid in sig)


Don't you need 14 cats to qualify for crazy cat lady status?

Fenris is an excellent name for a cat. I wish I could rename mine. Piffle

Tashash  said: LOL - Aliden your Seti sounds like my Buddy...Who is a very badly named cat, and the reason we will never let my sister name pets again.

LOL! Indeed, Seti is an unfortunate name. Totally my husband's fault. He thought search for extraterrestrial intelligence fitting for this particular feline. Why did I let him?

To be fair, our cat is strange. Do any of you own a cat that gathers up all the socks he/she can find and then takes them back to their bed? We had to buy a clothes basket with a lid the cat couldn't lift off. I've been running around for years with mismatched socks because of that cat.



I have a question. I'm currently working on a machinima featuring Fenris. Nothing like Dahlia Lynn's, which was simply amazing. I have imported the model into the HL2 engine so I can use faceposer for his facial expressions, and so I can make him lip synch. So, I guess you could say it is going to be a music video. I've made them before but with HL2 characters.

So the question is: What song could you envision Fenris singing?

And... should I change Fenris's body so that it reflects a modern look?

Modifié par aldien, 02 février 2012 - 02:08 .