kemz19691 wrote...
gingergen wrote...
Yes, that's right! Alistair ftw! I got DA2 a while ago, but didn't get into it until recently, for whatever reason.
I didn't notice that the other companions get a new look (the only other one I've romanced was Anders) -- that does actually help. He's so... branded. And the game (I haven't quite finished this play through but nothing so far) doesn't actually give you a chance to talk about it.
I agree that Fen does go off and do other things in his own time - but not until later. He looks for his sister during the 3 years post act 2, and he mentions playing cards with Donnic but not until act 3.
However, I concede that my psuedo-master statement is controversial.I don't mean to say "This is so" just "This is something that I've been thinking about." It never occurred to me until I was writing this fic.
For *ahem* research purposes, I watched the post-Hadriana cutscene a bazillion times, and I couldn't help but notice that (in the friendmance - might be different in rivalmance?) Fenris grabs Hawke, but then Hawke does the kissing and the wall-slamming. And then as he's leaving he says "this is too fast" and I went... hmm, she didn't really give him a chance to say no, did she? He was emotionally if not actually a virgin, and they went straight from first kiss to wall-slamming and sexing. Not that he *couldn't* have stopped her. I'm just glad that *my* first time didn't have that kind of dynamic, you know? I was just thinking it can be hard to say no to someone you love, and it's not like he's had a lot of practice. Which is why he has no middle "hey, I like you, but can we slow down" option -- only yes or "run away".
Anyway, yes. Happy to hear thoughts and counter arguments! I was just curious if anyone else had similar thoughts.
I agree with your views on this.
Fenris is a runaway slave trying to start some form of new life in Kirkwall while awaiting a (final) confrontation with Danarius. He's not aggressive, is he? Conditioning from slavery. When we first meet Fenris during his recruitment, he tells Hawke/Companions that Danarius kept him 'caged like a Qunari mage" to mock their customs. We learn later after his battle with Hadrianna, that he wasn't a complete "dead soul" (e.g., he wanted to defend himself against Hadrianna's torments but he couldn't because of her station) - that he wasn't as broken as we thought.
Problem is - "his chains are broken but he's not really free". He's been so conditioned, he doesn't know how to make decisions for himself. Running away from Danarius was really the only decision Fenris has made for himself. However, we learn that he "thinks" about what to do with his life. Problem is, he asks Hawke to help him make decisions. I think he asks Hawke because he trusts her/him, something he probably wasn't used to doing. He mentions that in one of their conversations - that he didn't allow anyone close b/c of his body's memory of pain, but also becuase he couldn't really trust anyone. If betrayed or if he choses to fight for Templars vs. Hawke, he may mention that he shouldn't let anyone close, which is the first law of survival.
To quote Fenris, that he is capable of feeling anything is something. He is an amazing character in the game and I find it difficult to ignore his need. This is one of the only characters in the game (imo) that we see actually evolve. Fenris speaks his mind boldy, but is often sensitive to how his words affects others particuarly Hawke. He is terribly damaged. But I think there's more to Fenris as alluded to by Verania. I think pre-ritual, Fenris was ambitious, ruthless and status-conscience. *Spoiler* Although he helped to free his family, I think he would have competed even without the boon.
I don't like the assumptions we're asked to make if Hawke doesn't romance Fenris - that is, he will hook up with Isabela. I think Bioware should have assigned Fenris to Varric for business training - they could have gone into business together, Fenris would work through some of his trust issues and put closure to his past. I would have hoped Fenris would re-connect with his people - the Elvhen, OR that he would take Sebastian up on the offer to relocate to Starkhaven. Putting Fenris with Isabela for sex cheapens his character and his import to the story. At least Bioware didn't have Fenris selling services at the Blooming Rose
Fenris is one of the more complex characters - like Sebastian (another character I think people miss on) or Merrill, and I think the developers mitigated his role in Act 3 too much. In other words, after he frees himself, the developers don't know what to do with him.
I, too, am writing some fanfiction. Would you link your work?
Thats a good question on FEnris looking to Hawke for answers akin to a mentor status or a child seeking our a parent for guidance. Well in a way he is probably as emotional as a teenager while his mental level is a great thinking philospher.
And yes that would of been better if he had gone into buisness with Varric making a name for himself. Granted I never saw the isabella angle as nothing more than a sex relationship that turns into something more and depp, at its core all it was is sex.
Damn now I am just upset about thinking that possiblity cause even if you dont romance him its still the guidance part but ultimately Fenris taking his own iniatives. that wont revolve around drinking, brooding, hatin on mages.
Ahhh back to work.
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Coming in here LIKE A BOSS and summing up all my feelings about the terribly phony and thoughtless "romance" that is Fenris x Isabela.
