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AbsoluteApril wrote...

kemz19691 wrote...
I can't get that damn cutscene where Fenris is aggressive and asks Hawke to command him to go <_< and I'm on the near 100% rival :( I did get the kiss and morning after scenes, but I don't know how to trigger that damn aggressive Fenris:

Fenris: I can't stop thinking about you. Command me to go and I shall.

Omgg!! I WANTED THIS SCENE BAD!!  This is the most initiative Fenris takes in their relationship and I can't get it to trigger :(


you have to skip the glowly kiss, don't do the last flirt option 'don't go', he'll walk away and then later show up again and deliver the line you want to hear
quick , go reload and do it, do it now, it's worth it!
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WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o:o:o:o:o:o  That's all I have to do in order to get that CUTSCENE?

Thank you, Glenda!!! Glenda was the name of the Good witch who told Dorothy all she had to do in order to get home was click her heels. :) 

I am indebted to you for this. :wub:

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AbsoluteApril wrote...

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Yes - I said it!  Fenris had a twin brother whom he killed for the prize. .


I found that to be a very interesting theory! but after playing Alone again last night the only reason I can't get behind it is because of the outrage that Fenris shows at being betrayed by a sibling "You sold out your own brother to become a magister?"

Ok, back to catching up on this thread, it's great to see so much activity, page 2000 here we come!


Yes, but isn't that intersting how Fenris hates magic but competed to become a magical weapon?  I think everyone has two sides/two faces.  Varania opened my nose to the fact that Fenris "wanted" those markings and I think Fenris wasn't born with any magical ability like his sister but coveted it. 

He tells Danarius, "I never wanted these filthy markings" but that's not true according to Varania. 
Also, Danarius says, "How little you know, my pet" regarding his intentions and those markings. 

The Fenris we meet and get to know is a Fenris without a past. We see him as a victim/ victimized, abused, mistreated and probably sexually exploited. 

We then learn that Fenris will kill people those who invite him into their trust - like the Fog warriors.  When I learned that Fenris slaughtered them although he was under the influence of freedom and had been shown great kindness, I realized that Fenris' issues are more concrete - this was more about the kind of person Fenris was and not just how he survived his environment/conditions. 

If you let Varania live, you will learn more of his past. So much so, you realized that there's something less angelic about him than you previously thought.  I think Fenris may even have had a sinister side, which is why he was drawn to Danarius and slavishly devoted to him.  I think he coveted power and position - especially as a slave among other slaves.  I think Fenris may even have been hated by other slaves becuase of his arrogance. 

How do we know Fenris didn't use his place under Danarius to exact revenge or manipulate other slaves? How do we not know that Fenris was a mini-me Danarius among the slaves?

Here's something scratching my brain:  Varania tells Fenris that she was to become a magister (on the back of her betrayal) as if that would make Fenris proud.  Maybe pre-escaped Fenris would have encouraged such behavior - since the prize is becoming a magister.  This is probably the most sought after achivement in T.I. but restricted to 'families' - so Danarius would have sponsored Varania as a Magister. 

I really like the idea of a pre-escape Fenris = :devil:.

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kemz19691 wrote...

My idea is opposable - I think a mage Hawke would be more experienced since they are often more curious and experimental and rogues are more disciplined and guarded? 

Okay, that's probably a bunch of B.S. but I actually glean that magi are promiscuous from some of Gaider's work. 


I hope you're not suggesting that sweet Bethany is promiscuous!! :lol:

Actually, my rogues are always sarcastic, and I see them as being the happy go lucky, notch on my bedpost, kind of guys.  The two mages I've created have been diplomatic, and I think of them as being more romantic ... maybe one or two serious partners before meeting Fenris.

I do finally have a sarcastic mage, but he's romancing Anders :P

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I think the kissing is better if Hawke is a guy - u notice that when it's a m!Hawke, the kisses are on the mouth - but F!Hawke the kisses are all over the neck and face? 

Hmmph. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/unsure.png[/smilie] Let me not go there and start something bad. 


Actually, the kissing scene for me, on the 360, is bugged.  Their faces don't even really meet up and their bodies blur awkwardly together.  And I only play male Hawke's.  So I've basically never gotten to play a nice Fenris kissing scene.  Trust me, you don't have it that bad.

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I have a thing for nice Elvhen ears.  Fenris' ears are sexy and I wonder if the tips are sensitive? Some of the elves in the game have horrid ears - they look like extra-terresterial lifeforms.  But Fenris' ears are the right size, length and shape.  

Also, I'm curious: when elvhen women give birth - do they have a problem wtih their baby's ears? I mean- some of these elf ears are angled OUT at like 120 degrees - how the hell do you give birth SAFELY to that??? 

Just curious. Do you know the answers or have any thoughts on this, Motomotogirl? 


Eh? :blink: Why ask me?  

In any case, many animals besides humans have long, upstanding ears. :lol:  Do you think mama rabbits suffer terribly as they give birth to their long-eared babies? 

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motomotogirl wrote...

kemz19691 wrote...

My idea is opposable - I think a mage Hawke would be more experienced since they are often more curious and experimental and rogues are more disciplined and guarded? 

Okay, that's probably a bunch of B.S. but I actually glean that magi are promiscuous from some of Gaider's work. 


I hope you're not suggesting that sweet Bethany is promiscuous!! :lol:

Actually, my rogues are always sarcastic, and I see them as being the happy go lucky, notch on my bedpost, kind of guys.  The two mages I've created have been diplomatic, and I think of them as being more romantic ... maybe one or two serious partners before meeting Fenris.

I do finally have a sarcastic mage, but he's romancing Anders :P

kemz19691 wrote...

I think the kissing is better if Hawke is a guy - u notice that when it's a m!Hawke, the kisses are on the mouth - but F!Hawke the kisses are all over the neck and face? 

Hmmph. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/unsure.png[/smilie] Let me not go there and start something bad. 


Actually, the kissing scene for me, on the 360, is bugged.  Their faces don't even really meet up and their bodies blur awkwardly together.  And I only play male Hawke's.  So I've basically never gotten to play a nice Fenris kissing scene.  Trust me, you don't have it that bad.

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I have a thing for nice Elvhen ears.  Fenris' ears are sexy and I wonder if the tips are sensitive? Some of the elves in the game have horrid ears - they look like extra-terresterial lifeforms.  But Fenris' ears are the right size, length and shape.  

Also, I'm curious: when elvhen women give birth - do they have a problem wtih their baby's ears? I mean- some of these elf ears are angled OUT at like 120 degrees - how the hell do you give birth SAFELY to that??? 

Just curious. Do you know the answers or have any thoughts on this, Motomotogirl? 


Eh? :blink: Why ask me?  

In any case, many animals besides humans have long, upstanding ears. :lol:  Do you think mama rabbits suffer terribly as they give birth to their long-eared babies? 


Ha! and True! But animal ears don't have the kind of cartilage that Elvhen ears have.  Animal ears flop - but elvhen ears like ours are rigid. 

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Yes, but isn't that intersting how Fenris hates magic but competed to become a magical weapon?  I think everyone has two sides/two faces.  Varania opened my nose to the fact that Fenris "wanted" those markings and I think Fenris wasn't born with any magical ability like his sister but coveted it. 

He tells Danarius, "I never wanted these filthy markings" but that's not true according to Varania. 
Also, Danarius says, "How little you know, my pet" regarding his intentions and those markings. 

The Fenris we meet and get to know is a Fenris without a past. We see him as a victim/ victimized, abused, mistreated and probably sexually exploited. 

We then learn that Fenris will kill people those who invite him into their trust - like the Fog warriors.  When I learned that Fenris slaughtered them although he was under the influence of freedom and had been shown great kindness, I realized that Fenris' issues are more concrete - this was more about the kind of person Fenris was and not just how he survived his environment/conditions. 

If you let Varania live, you will learn more of his past. So much so, you realized that there's something less angelic about him than you previously thought.  I think Fenris may even have had a sinister side, which is why he was drawn to Danarius and slavishly devoted to him.  I think he coveted power and position - especially as a slave among other slaves.  I think Fenris may even have been hated by other slaves becuase of his arrogance. 

How do we know Fenris didn't use his place under Danarius to exact revenge or manipulate other slaves? How do we not know that Fenris was a mini-me Danarius among the slaves?

Here's something scratching my brain:  Varania tells Fenris that she was to become a magister (on the back of her betrayal) as if that would make Fenris proud.  Maybe pre-escaped Fenris would have encouraged such behavior - since the prize is becoming a magister.  This is probably the most sought after achivement in T.I. but restricted to 'families' - so Danarius would have sponsored Varania as a Magister. 

I really like the idea of a pre-escape Fenris = :devil:.


Could be possible, yeah. The only thing that messes part of your theory up is that I read somewhere that mister David Gaider said Fenris only knew about the boon, not the ritual. So in that case he would have competed primarily to have his family freed, which makes him a nicer person, I'd say. Although it is possible that his mother as well as Varania did not desire freedom and that both weren't that happy with his "gift". We know Varania isn't.


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Fenris grabbed Hawke's buttocks. Who know what else he grabbed later? 

I can think of a few things.


Ahem.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie] My point is, maybe Fenris did make the second move, mabye he started the undressing. I think that's possible.

You should really write a smexy story about this. j/k I know that isn't everyone's cup of tea.


Ha! I already have.:innocent: Links is in my sig, hehe. And Fenris grabs, lol.=] 

Awwwwwww don't be a prude! Lovely picture. I like his freckles! I don't think Fenris would have freckles but I do like them. Can we call them love spots?

 

Somehow I have the feeling you have not clicked the link I posted to the image I meant.:P Maybe it's more prominent like this: fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/177/f/6/lusting_after_hawke_by_breogan-d3jxxw2.jpg

Oohhhh, we're on the next page and no Fenris. Still not posting that other one.:whistle:

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by Louvette. She always has gorgeous images, but I hate the mark she puts through them.:mellow:

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^^ I know the watermarks spoil it so much!! But you can't blame her, she's just trying to prevent people from plagiarising them.

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Yeah, I know why she does it, and I understand. But still, it ruins the image. :(

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Could be possible, yeah. The only thing that messes part of your theory up is that I read somewhere that mister David Gaider said Fenris only knew about the boon, not the ritual. So in that case he would have competed primarily to have his family freed, which makes him a nicer person, I'd say. Although it is possible that his mother as well as Varania did not desire freedom and that both weren't that happy with his "gift". We know Varania isn't.

I have to wonder if maybe the freedom was more for his mother than Varania. We know that he possibly came from Seheron. So, theoretically his mother could have been free at one point. What's worse than being born a slave? Having been free and then made a slave. Like someone said before, if Fenris and Varania had been taken from Seheron they would have been too young to remember that life.

I don't think any of them really understood what would happen once they were free. Maybe they had plans to return to Seheron only to find that their home was destroyed. So, then Varania and mom are stuck in TI trying to find work. It's hard to say, but I don't think Fenris knew exactly what he was getting himself into. 

I think Varania was a power hungry female dog. She seems to have this sense of entitlement. Regardless of what Fenris was like in his previous life, he had done his part  by winning their freedom. I also think Leto is dead to the family, therefore there would have been little emotional attachment on Varania's part. She's just turning in a runaway slave.

I hope this post makes sense. I haven't had my morning tea yet. :blush:

Somehow I have the feeling you have not clicked the link I posted to the image I meant.:P Maybe it's more prominent like this: [/i]fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/177/f/6/lusting_after_hawke_by_breogan-d3jxxw2.jpg[i]


Ah! A fellow smut writer. I wouldn't be surprised if I have already read it. But I will make certain. :devil:


Andraste's frilly knickers...that picture.... oh my! *adds to collection* What? I'm a pervert...okay? I just can't for the life of me figure out what poor innocent Fenris may be thinking.:devil: Maybe he had an itch he needed to scratch? j/k

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kemz19691 wrote...

AbsoluteApril wrote...

kemz19691 wrote...
I can't get that damn cutscene where Fenris is aggressive and asks Hawke to command him to go <_< and I'm on the near 100% rival :( I did get the kiss and morning after scenes, but I don't know how to trigger that damn aggressive Fenris:

Fenris: I can't stop thinking about you. Command me to go and I shall.

Omgg!! I WANTED THIS SCENE BAD!!  This is the most initiative Fenris takes in their relationship and I can't get it to trigger :(


you have to skip the glowly kiss, don't do the last flirt option 'don't go', he'll walk away and then later show up again and deliver the line you want to hear
quick , go reload and do it, do it now, it's worth it!
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WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o:o:o:o:o:o  That's all I have to do in order to get that CUTSCENE?

Thank you, Glenda!!! Glenda was the name of the Good witch who told Dorothy all she had to do in order to get home was click her heels. :) 

I am indebted to you for this. :wub:


You haven't seen that scene???? Oh are you in for a treat! You have to tell us if it was goooooood.

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Notice how blood gets all over Fenris but never on his hair? I noticed that having played through on the game twice now - on my 3rd play-through in Act 2 - already had the lovemaking scene but I have a pre-action save I'm about to employ. I pray to Andraste that I get that cutscene.

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kemz19691 wrote...

Notice how blood gets all over Fenris but never on his hair? I noticed that having played through on the game twice now - on my 3rd play-through in Act 2 - already had the lovemaking scene but I have a pre-action save I'm about to employ. I pray to Andraste that I get that cutscene.


My guess is that they didn't bother animating the hair with blood spots. What I do like about Fenris's hair is that it moves. Anyone notice that? It's a pain in the bottom to get it to do that, actually most games don't bother with moving hair. I won't bore you with why, just know it is extremely cool that his hair moves.


I just reviewed you story,. :) You are off to a great start. Now let's see... who can I pick on next?

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So, fugly Danarius is half-elven??? Surely not. But look at those ears. You know, that just makes what he did to Fenris even worse. *cringes*


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motomotogirl wrote...

aldien wrote...

Oh he's lovely! The eyes and those brows are gorgeous. He has the aura of sincerity. Why does he look so intent in that picture?


It's his chipmunk cheeks xD  I basically start with the bald-headed Hawke IMMEDIATELY after default Hawke.  (It is basically the same face as default Hawke only without hair.)  From there, I bring in the jaw (default Hawke has a very strong, masculine jaw) and puff out the cheek bones.  It gives him a sweet baby face.

Then I give him some scruff to macho him up a bit :police:

So he always looks very sweet and intent, but at the same time he's drop dead gorgeous :lol: I use this base face for most of my Hawke's and just change up the hair style, hair color, skin color, and eye color.  I can spend hours deciding on a hair color and matching eyes >.>




I WAS NOT GOING TO MENTION THE CHEEKS! I kept thinking about pinching them. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

I do the bald thing as well, so I can see the face clearly, otherwise I'll end up with a Hawke that looked great in the editor but is butt ugly in the game. Without the scruff on his face he'd look like an impudent pup.

The blue eyes work. Brown just looks so dull in the game. I've always had a thing for blue eyes and dark hair. It's smexy.

I like a darkish red-haired Hawke with Fenris. The colors seem to contrast nicely.

Shall we pick out curtains now? :P

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 aldien said:

But isn't he the cutest when he coughs? I thought the poor elf was going to die of embarrassment. Do you think that is the first time he has been genuinely complimented by a woman/man?

I LOVE that moment, it's one of my favorites. It might indeed be the first compliment from an equal that he can remember.

motomotogirl - I don't blame you for lusting after your Hawke. He is hawt. Next playthrough for me is gonna be male, I think...

Tashash - I started reading "What the Water Gave Us" and am enjoying very much. Glad to hear more is on the way! Since I can log in again, I'll post you some feedback soon.

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And then she kisses his chin and neck - I think the kissing is better if Hawke is a guy - u notice that when it's a m!Hawke, the kisses are on the mouth - but F!Hawke the kisses are all over the neck and face?

Like motomotogirl said, I actually think this is some kind of graphics issue. (Probably related to the one that causes Anders to only talk to Hawke's chest in their romantic-in-front-of-the-fireplace scenes. You want to move in, Anders? My eyes are up here. Try asking them.) It wasn't that bad in my game (pc), but if you look at different people's posts on YouTube, the degree of how far they are from one another's mouths seems to vary game by game. 

On a separate note, I think your ideas about pre-marked Fenris are really interesting. They don't fit in my head-canon, but there might be a good story there, and I would *totally* read it. ;)

I DO think, though, that we can infer that Fenris is ambitious. He competed for the markings, and even hitching along with Hawke -- she's clearly someone who is going places, and he helps her get there (I'm thinking of specifically re: her dealings with the Arishok).

Also  -- thank you for the smexy picture links renjility. :)

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oh that picture!! Fenris is thinking of his dear Hawke who is out on an adventure, thinking what he will do to Hawke upon the return.... mmmm
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kemz19691 wrote...
 I think he coveted power and position - especially as a slave among other slaves.  I think Fenris may even have been hated by other slaves becuase of his arrogance. 


I do agree with the idea that Fenris was high in ranking in the slaves, the top probably, and that the others were jelous or envious of his position. Did he lord it over them? possibly but I would think it was more that the others shunned him for being 'the favorite' but I do think he enjoyed it, being the most powerful warrior. He seems rather socially inept at times but maybe that it just the hawkward flirting that he 'must get better at'.
of course it's all speculation...

but I think Varania said what she did in such a snide way to get to him, to twist the knife, she was so upset he killed Danarius, her big chance to make something more of herself, so I take what she said with a grain of salt... and then I reload and let Fenris kill her.
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Also, I'm curious: when elvhen women give birth - do they have a problem wtih their baby's ears? I mean- some of these elf ears are angled OUT at like 120 degrees - how the hell do you give birth SAFELY to that??? 


I figured at birth the ears are soft (like a human babies top of the head?) and that they lay against the skull, then as the babe is in the 'really real world', pop, out the go and harden. some more than others, *ahem* Huon, I'm looking at you

aldien wrote...
My guess is that they didn't bother animating the hair with blood spots. What I do like about Fenris's hair is that it moves. Anyone notice that? It's a pain in the bottom to get it to do that, actually most games don't bother with moving hair. I won't bore you with why, just know it is extremely cool that his hair moves.


I love how his hair moves! If you let Fenris get kidnapped by Thrask, as he sits up after being awakened, his hair does a nice little sweeping motion at the back of his neck...

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Unpopular opinions, party of one.

I'm going to go against most of the thread here but my headcanon is my head canon so here goes-

Re: The wall slam kiss
IMO Fenris is passive when it comes to sex because of lack of experience, abuses and his general life as slave, maybe he's even naturally a bit of a sub but regardless it's up to Hawke to move them out of the limbo
they've been in for 3 years. I agree that's it's too much too fast, and that's why they go back into limbo for another 3 years, but left up to Fenris though they never would have got out of the awkward flirting stage.

Until Fenris gets some confidence and experience, like after he and Hawke get back together or he spends the night with Isabela in Act 3, he's happy to be lead rather than lead. Romanticism aside Isabela is the ideal choice for him to figure out what *he* wants sex-wise and there's no-one who can teach him the tricks of the bedroom like she can.

As for the face he makes when Hawke pushes him against the wall (slam makes it sound much rougher than it actually is) he doesn't look scared or panicked to me. It looks more like arousal has just given
him one powerful swift kick, maybe for the first time. In the glowy kiss version he looks up a Hawke through his lashes, uncertain what do to next but it's never crossed my mind that sex with Hawke isn't what he wants. He's passive yes but not weak, as he shows later when he breaks things off.

RE:Verania, Denarius and the boon

On the basis of absolutely nothing I believe that mages with elven blood have a harder time proving themselves in Tevinter, they are the business and military women of Thedas. By which I mean they need to be twice as
powerful magically and ten times more ruthless and Denarius is. Too prove it he created a lyrium warrior.

What use would Tavinter have for free slaves? Whatever Verania may or may not have felt for her brother before the boon would quickly be lost as she and her mother starved and struggled to find work completely abandoned by Leto. I don't like Verania but I can understand why she became the bitter, out for herself hag we meet in Alone.

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I'm not going to get involved in most of this debate, but II wanted to drop the source for something that was mentioned in here! 

Yes, Gaider did say that the only thing Fenris knew about was the boon, not the markings. He said it in this very thread. If you scroll down to the bottom of the linked page here you'll see it. 

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Could be possible, yeah. The only thing that messes part of your theory up is that I read somewhere that mister David Gaider said Fenris only knew about the boon, not the ritual. So in that case he would have competed primarily to have his family freed, which makes him a nicer person, I'd say. Although it is possible that his mother as well as Varania did not desire freedom and that both weren't that happy with his "gift". We know Varania isn't.

Hi, Renjility.  Here are the cliffnotes on my storyline's backstory that I'm developing:

Fenris (Leto) had an identical twin brother, elder by less than 20 minutes, named Leonitus (Leo, for short).  Leo had magical abilities whereas Leto does not.  It could be argued that like the reverse of a parasitic twin, Leo absorbed all magical abilities leaving Fenris nothing.  Anyway.

Leo and Leto were born to free elves in Seheron of a clan called the Amatriel, a great and large clan said to be keepers of secret invocations and other ceremonial magic over the season of summer. It is also said they were one of four (1 of 4) clans to safeguard the ancient mysteries to eternal youth, but the Amatrielans themselves will tell you it's just a shemlen rumor.  

Leo and Leto's father was a shepherd-farmer (common), herbalist (specialization) and minstrel (gift/talent) with great aptitude for the gemshorn. His name was Haitothos of the Lesser House of Saesumel  He was said to have a serene nature, fond of friends and merriment, obedient in his roles, and had a gift of levity.  In describing his features, some say he had a "laundered look", or rock-beaten.  Not a beautiful elf and probably very ugly, but he compensated with his songs, which were the best of the clan,and his irises were a bright apple green flecked with honey (so they say).

Leo and Leto's mother was the only child of the Amatrielan Keeper Koehjin who was of the Greater House of Saesumel. Her name was Yatriel and she was born blind. Despite her disability, she could expertly classify crystalline.  She was so gifted, she could identify defects and impurities in crystal AND stone - but more importantly, she could pick out perfect crystals and determine their special powers. No one understood from where this gift came, but some elders have said that rocks and other earth 'salts' speak and she understands their language.

Yatriel's blindness made her eyes a light violet jade color and her irises (so they say) were rimmed by a golden gold orbital ring that seemed to pulsate with a violent temper. She was in many ways the opposite of Haitothos - she couldn't carry a tune, too impatient to master instruments, headstrong, often defiant, and often refused her parents' wishes.  

Though blind, she used her bondage bird Kauna (some Elvhen can and do bind their souls to an animal to elicit their assistance)  as a guide and spent her days wandering and exploring their territory in Seheron (which was under the treaty protection of the Qunari). 

The Amatrielan clan children loved to play a game called "River" where they follow the sound of a performing instrument to capture its player. Once captured, the player must create an ode to his/her captor to be recited or sung at the next clan festival. This was a way for low-birth clan members to gain status and so it was a much sought after prize.  The adults encouraged their children to participate hoping a win would elevate the child for a better match.

Yatriel had accustomed her ears to distinguishing players and when she turned 15, she would only participate if Haitothos was playing.  She insisted on capturing him first or she would spoil the fun for the day with her tantrums and petty behavior.  A compromise was quickly reached that would allow her a 'win" if she donated the prize to the runner-up.  During the last day of the Sixth Day Harvest,  River was played with Haitothos performing and (surprise) Yatriel won - but this time she captured him with a kiss.

Nevermind that Yatriel was already betrothed to her father's First - a middle-aged man by the name of - who cares! She didn't hook up with him.  Anway, she confessed her affections for Haitothos in a blur and demanded her father break her engagement and marry her to her love or she would run off and join the Qun. 
                                      
In Leto and Leo's second year of life, the Quanari rescinded terms of the NWS Treaty, an agreement that extended Qunari protection to 17 elvhen hamlets or lands in Northwest Seheron. This territory included the Amatriel lands which were bordered by horse-shaped ruins.  The Qunari broke their agreement after a few of the Elvhen clans conspired with a retinue of Tevinter magi to attack a Qunari stronghold.  The Elvhen claim they were justified as the Qunari increased their "tribute demands" for steel and other compounds to make weapons to unfathomable levels, which would turn the elves into virtual slaves.

It was a bad move.  The elvhen ended up betrayed and their lands lost protection.  The Tevinter magi sent slavers in to sweep the region and liquidate those hamlets.  Leto's family was seized and shipped off to the blackmarkets of Tevinter Imperium, but the Keeper and others died protected them.  Because the twins were identical (rare, especially among the elvhen) and Yatriel a blind stone reader with strangely different eyes, they were put up for auction in Minrathous where they were purchased as a unit by Danarius' house.

The reason why the family was sold as a unit - because - as they were free-born elves they had to be 're-conditioned' as slaves, which would have been more difficult if separated from each other.  Plus, the others had value. 

Yatriel was put to work developing power enchantments from stones and Haitothos was sent out to manage livestock on Danarius' plantation on the outskirts of Minrathous.  He was only able to visit his family when traveling to town to deliver foodstock or animals to auction houses.

Concerning the twins, Yatriel believed she recognized their differences early on:

Leo:  Has magical abilities, more bonded to family, obedient, lighthearted and has natural leadership abilities
Leto: Shadowed Leo, weaker of the twins, defiant and moody

Yatriel favored Leo over Leto with her affections until the year of the Boon. When the twins turn 13, Danarius offered the boon to members of his household and to his appretices and their households.  At this point, Yatriel was unraveling mentally as a slave and - there on the cusp of madness, she (a loving and devoted mother) used her powers of manipulation on Leto to have him persuade Danarius to narrow the offer to the twins ONLY. 

*Note: This is when Fenris begins showing Danarius that great affection he mentions during the Alone Quest.  

However, he only offered it only to the winner of a competition he designed because he wasn't willing to risk them both turning on
him. Who would it be? Which one? 

Haitothos learned of the plan and managed to speak privately with the twins in order to dissuade them.  Danairus learns of this from Leto (yes, he betrays his father - say it with me) and issues a capture-and-execute letter which leads to Haitothos' escape and hiding out. 

On the day of competition, Leo (roused by his father's glorious speech on the divinity of sacrifice and perfection of love) refuses to attack Leto and begs his brother to "resists that which seeks to rot it (perfect love) out".   He calls on Leto to resist with him knowing that their master could put them all to death. Leto (the weaker), slaughters his Leo without hesistation and is awarded the boon, which he dedicates to his family.  Leo's body is carted off to the city dump while Leto is celebrated on Danarius' estate. 

Haitothos, in his last act of love, recovers Letos' body, revives him with the help of a slave mage using blood magic  and transports him to an area in the southeast near the Silent Plains called the Valley of the Three Witches.    
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Afterword.

As Varania says, freedom was no boon for them.  They assumed both Haitothos and Leo were dead. Kicked off Danarius' estate and with Leto's memories wiped, they no longer had access to Fenris/Leto so he, too, was dead o them.  Free people in Tevinter Imperium had little purpose unless they "belonged to a house", a great irony!   Yatriel still had her talents of stone reading and managed to secure work for herself and Varania in Qarinus; however, the guilt of how she lost her sons and husband drove her past insanity to suicide.  This left Varania alone fending for herself. 
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What do you think now? :lol:

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aldien wrote...

kemz19691 wrote...

Notice how blood gets all over Fenris but never on his hair? I noticed that having played through on the game twice now - on my 3rd play-through in Act 2 - already had the lovemaking scene but I have a pre-action save I'm about to employ. I pray to Andraste that I get that cutscene.


My guess is that they didn't bother animating the hair with blood spots. What I do like about Fenris's hair is that it moves. Anyone notice that? It's a pain in the bottom to get it to do that, actually most games don't bother with moving hair. I won't bore you with why, just know it is extremely cool that his hair moves.


I just reviewed you story,. :) You are off to a great start. Now let's see... who can I pick on next?


Thanks, Aldien!

I didn't know that hair movement is hard to create in a game.  Good info! :D

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Ser Bard wrote...

Unpopular opinions, party of one.

I'm going to go against most of the thread here but my headcanon is my head canon so here goes-

Re: The wall slam kiss
IMO Fenris is passive when it comes to sex because of lack of experience, abuses and his general life as slave, maybe he's even naturally a bit of a sub

LMAO

but regardless it's up to Hawke to move them out of the limbo they've been in for 3 years. I agree that's it's too much too fast, and that's why they go back into limbo for another 3 years, but left up to Fenris though they never would have got out of the awkward flirting stage.

Until Fenris gets some confidence and experience, like after he and Hawke get back together or he spends the night with Isabela in Act 3, he's happy to be lead rather than lead. Romanticism aside Isabela is the ideal choice for him to figure out what *he* wants sex-wise and there's no-one who can teach him the tricks of the bedroom like she can.

Interesting premise - that a virgin/abused Fenris would benefit from having sexual training from a debauched pirate in their party.  Here's the problem I have with this:
  • Isabela isn't a prostitute to go train 40-year old virgins with intimacy issues :P
  • Virgins have no bedroom skills, so this would not be pleasurable or would get boring fast for her =]
  • Fenris is frustrating on so many levels - get the point?
  • The idea that Fenris is now going to be a magic man in the bedroom for Isbela is a joke - if you hear Isbela's remark about his 'abilities', run! That's telling u developers ran out of arc and time for Fenris and Isabela.:wizard:
  • Isabela heavily flirts with Varric, but bioware doesn't let them hook up - why? Dwarf prejudice? :blush:

As for the face he makes when Hawke pushes him against the wall (slam makes it sound much rougher than it actually is) he doesn't look scared or panicked to me. It looks more like arousal has just given
him one powerful swift kick, maybe for the first time. In the glowy kiss version he looks up a Hawke through his lashes, uncertain what do to next but it's never crossed my mind that sex with Hawke isn't what he wants. He's passive yes but not weak, as he shows later when he breaks things off.

RE:Verania, Denarius and the boon

On the basis of absolutely nothing I believe that mages with elven blood have a harder time proving themselves in Tevinter, they are the business and military women of Thedas. By which I mean they need to be twice as
powerful magically and ten times more ruthless and Denarius is. Too prove it he created a lyrium warrior.

What use would Tavinter have for free slaves? Whatever Verania may or may not have felt for her brother before the boon would quickly be lost as she and her mother starved and struggled to find work completely abandoned by Leto. I don't like Verania but I can understand why she became the bitter, out for herself hag we meet in Alone.

Well said!!!

I don't think your ideas are unpopular - I share some of them and can appreciate your concern for Fenris-training by Isabela. It just doesn't seem logical to me that he hates touching but he's gonna hook up with a who---- umm.. I mean a free will woman.  (I love Isabela btw and love to have her along on missions if nothing more but for the banter).

I hope you take nothing I post (outside of my own fanfict) seriously - I just love to have fun! And I love this thread. =]

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Harle Cerulean wrote...

I'm not going to get involved in most of this debate, but II wanted to drop the source for something that was mentioned in here! 

Yes, Gaider did say that the only thing Fenris knew about was the boon, not the markings. He said it in this very thread. If you scroll down to the bottom of the linked page here you'll see it. 


Thank you, Harle.  This is important to my story. Let me post the quote from Mr. Gaider here: 

What did Fenris think was in the chest?"

Information on his family. He didn't really think it was true, and was all but certain it was just a way to lure him into the open, but he couldn't ignore it.

"Did Fenris know about the ritual? Or just the boon?"

Just the boon. Even if he'd known about what was going to be done to him, he wouldn't have known what that meant.


I'm having to make a few modifications to my story:
  • The boon was just freedom and so it would only be offered to slaves in Daniarus' house and in his apprentices' houses.
  • I'm wondering if Fenris thought he, too, would be free - or just his family? Unless Mr. Gaider says otherwise, Fenris will think he is freeing himself and his family.
  • This conflicts with what Varania says - Fenris tells Danarius he didn't ask for those filthy markings - and Varania later says, "You wanted it - you competed for it" - she says this about the markings not the boon.
  • In my story then, it's all about the freedom - and the acts some slaves are willing to perform to obtain it.
I wish I could bother Mr. Gaider to find out if he thinks my story works with Fenris' frame. I like it, anyway! :wub:

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Not much to add via the today's topic (I hate you art) sSo im uploading the cutest thing this side Mary!Hawke. Brought to you by the lady who does the sweet Art Novue Mucha inspired Femshep Mwar

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[*]This conflicts with what Varania says - Fenris tells Danarius he didn't ask for those filthy markings - and Varania later says, "You wanted it - you competed for it" - she says this about the markings not the boon.


You know, it is possible that she was lying just to dig thel knife in a bit deeper. She wanted to get at him and what better way than to tell him he wanted those markings. Now he will think for the rest of his life that he asked for them. Uggg. :(

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@ kemz: wow, you've obviously thought a lot about it all. I'm impressed. All very dramatic and tragic, hehe. And quite complicated as well. I doubt that's what happend in David Gaider's mind, but that doesn't matter.
I'll take a look at your story.

@ aldien: I knew you didn't click the link back then, haha! What Fenris is thinking..? Well... the title of the image is "lusting over Hawke", soooo.... I don't think he has an itch. Or a different kind of itch... never mind. xD I have never known something like that could actually be portrayed in such a sexy way... Alright, now I have deserved my time in the perve corner. xD

I don't think you have read my story already. It's still a bit new, I guess, a few months old. Still in progress as well.

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Ghost_Nappa wrote...

Not much to add via the today's topic (I hate you art) sSo im uploading the cutest thing this side Mary!Hawke. Brought to you by the lady who does the sweet Art Novue Mucha inspired Femshep Mwar




Ghost! Hey there. I hope things are going alright. I love the piccie. It is adorable! :happy:

Awwwww having a Fenris love attack. :wub: