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[Tashash]

@Cerulean - Total agreement - I've always had a sort of headcannon that Fenris smells like ozone/lightning.

I love that piccy! OMG! Although i can't help but think that it must have taken a LOT of alcahol to get Fenris to that stage - we know for a fact he can handle his booze.

Hmmm, Fenris' toes? Not really my thing - I have a festish for his ears instead.

[kemz19691]

Arquen wrote...

I'm convinced Lyrium has a faintly sweet smell. I always thought Fenris to have a slightly Sweet/Natural smell. I also imagine that Fenris takes care of his feet because he does tramp around barefoot. Probably a nightly ritual of washing them or something. I head!canon that they probably are very rough and calloused, but he walks on the balls of his feet, and he has rather excellent hygiene so he takes care of them like one would take care of your only pair of shoes.

As for the smell.. depending on where he has been.. but more than likely they would just smell like dirt/ muck/ grass/ whatever he's walked in with that underlying sweet smell of lyrium.

Yep.. name something about Fenris I haven't thought about.. LOL. I'm so hopeless.

Have you seen the mansion wherein he squats? He has rotting corpses everywhere + dust + garbage... AND who cleans his poop bucket? Do you think he cleans his poop bucket?

I assume from some of the other houses that Kirkwall Hightown doesn't offer indoor plumbing. How does Fenris 'clean' himself? Maybe the Elvhen don't have body odor or maybe the lyrium makes Fenris' body self-cleaning so he's never musty or dirty smelling.

I think Fenris is very resourceful and will find places to wash and clean himself. He must or that caked blood would make him reek.

Modifié par kemz19691, 18 février 2012 - 05:39 .

[kemz19691]

Tashash wrote...

Hmmm, Fenris' toes? Not really my thing - I have a festish for his ears instead.

I wonder if the tips of his ears are sensitive? That's so hot.

[Night Dreams]

gingergen wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...

I have never smelled an ore that didn't smell odd, and in a not-good way. Iron and copper both, for example, have this kind of bitter tangy scent that lingers in the back of your throat and isn't very pleasant. Given lyrium's nature, and how much power it holds, I'd suspect it likely smells more like ozone than anything you'd find in an air freshener.

This is a great point.

I certainly wasn't thinking of a sweet smell -- that's why I said mint the plant, not mint like in gum or whatever. Pine is something else I considered. Again, that's something I associate with cold. I want to say it smells like a cold wind, but what does that smell like? Presumably like whatever the wind has been blowing over, so I dropped it as a descriptor. So maybe your ozone is a good descriptor, but I'm never quite sure what scent is meant by that description. (People seem to associate that smell with mechanical things, and to me mechanical smells are more petroleum based.)

In my headcannon I guess I always imagine magic had a kind of odor to it; that mages would smell of it when they'd been casting spells, and I imagine when Fenris' marks have been glowing he has a similar smell.

That said, I'm not against the idea of lyrium having a bitter tang to it. I rather like that notion, actually.

I agree with the minty (plant) smell, I've always thought of Fenris' scent to be comparable to some sort of herb. Maybe its his elven heritage? 

[Dutchess]

I think that despite the state of his mansion, Fenris is actually a clean person. Or at least I certainly hope so, haha. I think he bathes, although probably not as often as we in the modern western world do, but I guess that would go for everyone in DA.

As for lyrium, it is magic in itw raw form, so what would magic smell like? I don't think in this case lyrium follows the "rules" of general ore and it doesn't really seem metal-like to me.

I do like the idea of it smelling like "cold wind", although I don't know how to describe that smell either, haha.

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by fishmas

Hihi. Could have happened, right?

And because we also need more sexy Fenris every now and then:



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[Night Dreams]

^^ Gosh that one sure is S-E-X-Y!!

I don't see Fenris as untidy or unclean at all. I think he would take care of his cleanliness, and the whole permanent corpse and spiderweb thing I think shouldn't be considered as part of any of his 'untidy' aspects. I'd just call that (sadly) laziness on the dev's part to remove them, or as we've been told, lack of time

[Tashash]

Night Dreams wrote...

^^ Gosh that one sure is S-E-X-Y!!

I don't see Fenris as untidy or unclean at all. I think he would take care of his cleanliness, and the whole permanent corpse and spiderweb thing I think shouldn't be considered as part of any of his 'untidy' aspects. I'd just call that (sadly) laziness on the dev's part to remove them, or as we've been told, lack of time

Yeah, that's always bothered me - I'm like 'Yeah, he's living alone and batching it - but come on! Years later and still the rotting corpses? NO.'

Te he, I love that Fishmas one...Comic Hawke would do it, too.

And I agree, Night - that other one is just phwoah!   *jumps up and down, waving a handful of money and screaming "TAKE IT ALL OFF!!!!!!!!!!"

[Dutchess]

Haha, he was doing that on the previous page.


And Fenris is always dusting himself off when you stand still for a moment while exploring. That would be hint he actually wants to be clean.

Modifié par renjility, 18 février 2012 - 12:51 .

[aldien]

Maybe he borrows Hawke's bath? I guess Hawke has one, though there is no kitchen, dining area and I suppose the servants are sleeping on the floor, but sure there's a bath  And you're asking why there are still dead people in the foyer of Fenris's mansion six years later?

I've always seen Fenris as someone, who right after a battle, cleans everything and quickly. Danarius would not want a dirty slave, so it is a habit. I also agree that the mansion was a lazy effort on the devs part. I can see Fenris, in the early years, stripping the place down to the bear necessities, everyting else is an extravagance as far as he is concerned. Might explain why he is donating things to the Chantry. Also he would want less things for his enemies to hide behind.

As far as cleaning his own chamber pot, yep I see him doing it. He probably did so for Danarius on occasion. He's a self-suffient sexy little pointy-eared package.

[aldien]

Ghost_Nappa wrote...

Hey AL...How many licks does it take to get to the middle of a Fenris? Take that challenge how you will...also I vanish again. (going insane from paint fumes, burritoes and dark chocolate)

Mmmmmmmmmmmm I think that's the best thing anyone has ever asked me. I'll go find out

Need to catch up with you!

[Arquen]

My sweet smell came from my theory about Lyrium and how it is akin to mercury, and the lyrium used on Fenris was akin to dimethyl mercury.. which funny enough has a sweet smell, but to inhale it directly is deadly. Infused into skin in it's liquid form would probably put in some permanent odor, and so that is where I get "faintly sweet." More akin to a fresh sort of floral scent that is toned down so it is more something you can taste or smell when you get very close to him. When the lyrium is "activated" it has an altogether different sense, especially to a mage -- and the "blue mist" given off is a byproduct of the reaction of the lyrium with Fenris. Again, head!canonned from my Lyrium/Fenris essay. I still believe Lyrium is more like Mercury, and so I firmly plant into the sweet smell. Not so much candy.. not sugary sweet, but more freshly faintly sweet.

As far as the corpses and such and Fenris's cleanliness/hygiene. I actually imagine him as being very clean when it comes to personal hygiene. He was Danarius's bodyguard after all. I think Danarius would not want him looking shabby/unkempt and would probably beat him if he became too disheveled or appeared uncouth around him. Even after a battle, if Fenris damaged his weapon or his armor I imagine he was probably punished and would have to repair it himself.

While the mansion may have corpses, his actual living space is quite sparse, and other than a few cobwebs and some scattered books and debris/bottles/cups it is rather clean. His bed has a book next to it, which I always found funny, not to mention the lute -- LOL. I imagine he doesn't spend much time in the rest of the mansion. The one thing I do head!canon is that Fenris does repair his own armor, and keeps it in stellar condition, a forced tradition/habit that he keeps from his slave days. He also cleans himself and makes sure he doesn't get too filthy. He can bath in the other rooms -- Danarius's mansion has some closed off doors, but the two rooms at the top are 2 other bedrooms -- including the master bedroom. There is a kitchen downstairs (that you enter in when you do his 1st personal quest), and there is no doubt a room for a bath. I don't think he would have to go searching for one. He could use it as often as he wanted as long as he had the water, which I also imagine Danarius's mansion has a well in the back, which you can actually see there IS a back when you look out of the windows in the quest just right.

So yeah... I don't think Fenris would take on the rotting corpses/trashy smell, because he doesn't really live with them in close proximity. They are closed off in the foyer, and he doesn't ever go there. No reason to. I also head!canon that they are just traps and distractions.. possibly even dummies that Fenris keeps there so if anyone were to wander into the mansion they would think it abandoned and be deterred from squatting or looting there. In all reality it was a failed dev design, but it's fun to think of possibilities for them.

Yeah... again.. I think I've thought way too hard about these things XD. I regret nothing...

[Harle Cerulean]

Like a number of other things, Arquen, we'll have to agree to disagee on the lyrium!  

I like to imagine that Fenris regularly disposes of the old corpses and brings in fresh ones (it's not like there's any shortage of them available to him, after all!) whenever they start to get too pungent. Because he leaves them there to scare off possible intruders, and fresh corpses are way scarier than old corpses. If they're fresh, then whatever killed them could still be there . . .   

I do agree he uses pretty much only the bathing room (wherever it is, but it sure exists) and the room you visit him in, and thus those are the only rooms he bothers to spend any time on keeping up.  I don't really see him using the kitchen, though, since I don't see him cooking.  I figure he probably lives off things he can buy pre-cooked, or that don't need to be cooked: bread, meat pies, fresh vegetables, etc.  Also, the Hanged Man's mystery stew. 

[kemz19691]

aldien wrote...

Maybe he borrows Hawke's bath? I guess Hawke has one, though there is no kitchen, dining area and I suppose the servants are sleeping on the floor, but sure there's a bath  And you're asking why there are still dead people in the foyer of Fenris's mansion six years later?

I've always seen Fenris as someone, who right after a battle, cleans everything and quickly. Danarius would not want a dirty slave, so it is a habit. I also agree that the mansion was a lazy effort on the devs part. I can see Fenris, in the early years, stripping the place down to the bear necessities, everyting else is an extravagance as far as he is concerned. Might explain why he is donating things to the Chantry. Also he would want less things for his enemies to hide behind.

As far as cleaning his own chamber pot, yep I see him doing it. He probably did so for Danarius on occasion. He's a self-suffient sexy little pointy-eared package.

"The developers were lazy" - I concur.  I found it amusing that the dead prostitute is still on the floor throughout the Act, which takes place over 3 years. 

I have a question: why doesn't Fenris enter the Fade? He alludes that he doesn't, so I'm wondering if the lyrium in his body prevents him dreaming? I would think that with all that lyrium, he would be able to command areas of the Fade (or the Beyond).

Secondly, did Fenris say or suggest that the ritual and lyrium in his skin made him immortal (he cannot die)? I remember him saying something to that effect on my first play-through, but I haven't come across it again.

[kemz19691]

Arquen wrote...

My sweet smell came from my theory about Lyrium and how it is akin to mercury, and the lyrium used on Fenris was akin to dimethyl mercury.. which funny enough has a sweet smell, but to inhale it directly is deadly. Infused into skin in it's liquid form would probably put in some permanent odor, and so that is where I get "faintly sweet." More akin to a fresh sort of floral scent that is toned down so it is more something you can taste or smell when you get very close to him. When the lyrium is "activated" it has an altogether different sense, especially to a mage -- and the "blue mist" given off is a byproduct of the reaction of the lyrium with Fenris. Again, head!canonned from my Lyrium/Fenris essay. I still believe Lyrium is more like Mercury, and so I firmly plant into the sweet smell. Not so much candy.. not sugary sweet, but more freshly faintly sweet.

Modifié par kemz19691, 19 février 2012 - 03:36 .

[kemz19691]

Night Dreams wrote...

^^ Gosh that one sure is S-E-X-Y!!

I don't see Fenris as untidy or unclean at all. I think he would take care of his cleanliness, and the whole permanent corpse and spiderweb thing I think shouldn't be considered as part of any of his 'untidy' aspects. I'd just call that (sadly) laziness on the dev's part to remove them, or as we've been told, lack of time

Regarding DA2 developers, do you know why the new DA2 comics (post-chantry attack) excludes Fenris? I understand why it doesn't include Sebastian (he returns to Starkhaven to claim title) or Anders (dead or on the run) or Aveline (she's married to Donnic and her job).  But why not Fenris? He was rather close to Varric and Isabela.

It feels as if Bioware has abandoned Fenris since he's not in DA3 or in the comics set in Rivain. Do you think it's because Bioware find Fenris the least preferred character in the game? 

Modifié par kemz19691, 18 février 2012 - 09:44 .

[Dutchess]

I don't remember Fenris ever saying something that may indicate he is immortal? Only that he does not fear death, but that doesn't mean they should be reckless.

[CuriousArtemis]

It's all you guys' fault now that in my current game Hawke keeps leaning over and trying to smell Fenris when Fenris isn't looking.

He's about to get seriously b i t c h ... I mean elf-slapped.

Modifié par motomotogirl, 18 février 2012 - 11:28 .

[Dutchess]

Haha, be careful, or your Hawke will end up like the one in fishmas' comic! xD


LOL, I totally see that happening now.

Modifié par renjility, 18 février 2012 - 11:39 .

[kemz19691]

motomotogirl wrote...

It's all you guys' fault now that in my current game Hawke keeps leaning over and trying to smell Fenris when Fenris isn't looking.

He's about to get seriously b i t c h ... I mean elf-slapped.

Is that with a male Hawke? I haven't had a male Hawke.

[dangereusegirl]

I actually don't consider the corpses being there for six plus years part of my headcanon. For one thing, they'd have decomposed quite a bit during that time (and no, i don't think someone enchanted them to stay like that either ). It's more like the devs couldn't be bothered with changing the layout of the mansion after Fenris' recruitment.

As for his scent, I always imagined him smelling clean, undeniably male, and something unidentifiable, possibly from his markings.

[CuriousArtemis]

kemz19691 wrote...

Is that with a male Hawke? I haven't had a male Hawke.

Yup, all my Hawke's are guys   I have made two lady Hawke's before, but, poor dears, I ended up erasing them from the hard drive so I could make a couple more guys LOL 

Now when I first was introduced to DA2, I was playing with my brother-in-law, and together we made a lady Hawke.  She romanced Isabela.  It was a super fun game ... just two crazy girls in love tearing through Kirkwall!

[aldien]

I gave some thought to the corpses again. I thought it was a fair point that Fenris may have considered refreshing them occasionally to scare people off, but Maker! that is just too gross.Ick.

Actually, maybe a good reason for clearing them out would be the smell. The nobles in Hightown would have complained and he would have been evicted. Also, dragging dead bodies into the mansion might have raised a few eyebrows (and a few hairs on the back of the neck)

When I was playing Skyrim the other day one of the npc's were killed in the middle of the street. Many days later he's still there even though the kids are running around going: There's a dead body!

I guess it's not at the top of a game developers list.

As far as Fenris's smell goes I know David Gaider likes to think of lyrium like mercury. Errrr mercury is not an ore, but... well... I don't know how to rationalize that. Point is, mercury does not have a smell. So, if you want to think of lyrium as a liquid metal, I guess it wouldn't smell.

I like Dangerusegirl's description: smelling clean, undeniably male, and something unidentifiable. You had me at undeniably male. If sexy had a smell Fenris would be it.

[aldien]

motomotogirl wrote...

It's all you guys' fault now that in my current game Hawke keeps leaning over and trying to smell Fenris when Fenris isn't looking.

He's about to get seriously b i t c h ... I mean elf-slapped.

Mine is always trying to grab his ass. My head cannon says she/he succeeded. Now, whether my Hawke is still alive afterwards...

Modifié par aldien, 19 février 2012 - 03:27 .

[kemz19691]

aldien wrote...

As far as Fenris's smell goes I know David Gaider likes to think of lyrium like mercury. Errrr mercury is not an ore, but... well... I don't know how to rationalize that. Point is, mercury does not have a smell. So, if you want to think of lyrium as a liquid metal, I guess it wouldn't smell.

I like Dangerusegirl's description: smelling clean, undeniably male, and something unidentifiable. You had me at undeniably male. If sexy had a smell Fenris would be it.

Maybe he has a metallic smell and taste. I'm going to repost my questions.

[kemz19691]

Arquen, this raises a new caravan of questions in my mind.

1. If lyrium is under his skin and he sweats, would it be 'lyrium-laced sweat'? And if so, would his lyrium-sweat have any psychotropic or stimulating affect/effects? We know lyrium is heavily used by Templars to enter the Fade and boost abilities, but if it ends up in Hawke's mouth (e.g., kisses, licking), what effect would it have on her/him?

2. If lyrium-sweat has an affect/effect, could it cause euphoria? Could it heighten sensory perception? Could it heighten dreaming?

3. We learn from the game that lyrium is highly addictive - so, could Hawke become indirectly addicted to Fenris? If so, would she/he know that and could she/he distinguish the addiction from real feelings?

Throughout Act 2, Fenris mentions Donnic and others drop by for games of diamondback or whatever, so we know he receives company. You would think that he would clean the place up! I thought Fenris would only visit the Hanged Man for games, but turns out he hosts them in his mansion as well. It's hard to imagine Donnic and others regularly visting a mansion riddled with rotting corpses and fitlh.

Fenris has such a dual nature, I find he's more than just complex. I think he has two personalities - one slave, the other free. Maybe this is a result of slave trauma - the OCD (e.g., hyper-hygenic), the hyper-sensitivity to another slave's condition, the surface anger he easily wields at Hawke, the solace he finds in his aloneness, his affective brooding, etc. but there are moments when another Fenris appears and he's witty/jovial, tender, seductive, engaging, etc.

I've researched the culture of slavery in Rome, and I discovered that slaves were regularly (if not daily) beaten. Tthat it was taboo to show a slave mercy or kindness, as it made you appear weak. Also, that slaves were thought to have no "soul" or "spirit", so they were dehumanized in every way. Fenris says this many times in Acts 2 and 3, that Danarius dehumanized them/denied them their humanity. I have to wonder why Fenris would want to serve such a man? Nevertheless, Fenris' convictions about magi and their powers are most appropriate and I think the developers did this right! {smilie} He had to kill Hadrianna and Danarius. I don't let Fenris kill his sister because I don't want truths to die with her.
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Modifié par kemz19691, 19 février 2012 - 03:39 .