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[Tashash]

renjility wrote...

Lol, okay, this is a... delicate topic for discussion. xD

But I think Fenris is a very long way from being willing to be bound in the bedroom like that. Perhaps he will never be ready for it. It would probably bring up a lot of negative and unpleasant memories. No, I don't think it will feel right for him, and doubt that he will be able to feel aroused in a situation like that.

Yeah, I know. I don't mean to offend anyone, it's just something that I started to wonder about, and I know that everyone here is more likely to give their opinion if they want to and simply leave it if they don't, instead of going off the edge about it.

Which is one of the reasons I love this thread - crazed fans, yes. Simply crazy (in a bad way), no.

But you make a good point, Renjility. And on the other hand, so does Maiafay....*so very confuzzled*

Oh - TOP

Peace offering?

By Ann-Immortal

Modifié par Tashash, 21 février 2012 - 10:49 .

[Harle Cerulean]

My opinion? I'm pretty sure Fenris would want nothing to do with dominance/submission play, or restraints beyond perhaps using a discarded belt; certainly no hardware, and collars are right out. While it is definitely true that reactions to trauma are many and varied, and every person's way of healing and coping is as valid as any other (provided it isn't a method that will hurt them even worse, e.g. heavy drinking for years, using drugs, or flirting with suicide), I don't see Fenris as wanting to reenact any moments from his slavery, whether with himself as the master or the slave. He might enjoy being dominant, but he would also enjoy his lover pushing back, a meeting of equals.

I think his idea of 'spicing up' would be more like creative uses of wine and fruits, dirty talk, possibly semi-public places, etc. Of course, I also don't think that he would get bored of things they could do in the bedroom without props very quickly, either. Isabela might push him faster than Hawke, both because they're more 'casual' and don't have the emotional connection initially that would make things more intense, and because she's already experienced a lot of things and enjoys certain kinks and would want to try them with him. Not to say Hawke can't be experienced (most of mine certainly weren't new to sex), but generally, between Isabela and Hawke, I think most of us can agree who's the more expert between the sheets. Or against the wall. Or over a table. Or in a Chantry pew. . .    

But really, with Fenris, just making love to Hawke would be immensely novel and satisfying for a long time, I think.  He's free, he's with the person he loves (even if he doesn't say those words, he says three others that mean so much more, since they're from his lips), who needs more spice?  That already is spice.  Three years of simmering love and lust would make for a long-burning flame, I think.  

But of course, all of this is my opinion!  My headcanon, as it were, though there's iterations for various different Hawkes, and for Isabela.  Other people may well disagree, and that's perfectly fine.  

[Ghost_Nappa]

@Tashash: WHy thank you making me part of the OPP...yeah you know. (SO old school humor) But I keep my Pervert senses down a little since Im rarely on here. So I'll just ninja in some stuff to surprise you all.

Im very divided on the subject of rape more so I because it can be used as a cheap plot device recently. (IM lookin at your ass DC& Marvel)

But on the subject of....ugh BDSM, I prefer to keep it simple as S&M, cause the Bondage part mixed with it turns into some crazy ass **** that turns into an over complicated death trap just for an erection.
No the S&M part seems fine because thats built on trust for your partner doing said things naughty things to you built also with safe words and careful safe planning. Want a spanking over the knee? Prep up on which hand skills makes them excited versus what will hurt them with a red hand print. (Also buttermilk lotion.)

Wow almost got off subject...but for Hawke and Fenris, well it depends on the hawke of who wants steer that role...but I easily see Fenris as the M or Dominant role and Hawke being the Sub. Mmmmm start off small and making hwke dress like Isabella with no underwear underneath..around Lowtown...during evening. Ahhhh yeah.

Speaking of Kinks Yoink.Ladyredarkness...damn complicated names.

[Malanu]

<3:devil:<3:wub:LOL loved the comic!

[gingergen]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

 I don't see Fenris as wanting to reenact any moments from his slavery, whether with himself as the master or the slave. He might enjoy being dominant, but he would also enjoy his lover pushing back, a meeting of equals.

I think, given Fenris' tendency to look at things as black and white (all mages are bad, etc.) I agree that he would rule out dom/sub play as "bad". Even if that sort of activity did turn his crank, I don't think he would want to admit it to himself. 

I agree that he probably wouldn't be adverse to some rough play (and maybe wall slamming  ) but anything involving bondage would probably be pretty triggery for him, intellectually if not physically.

[Dutchess]

Maiafay wrote...

renjility wrote...

Lol, okay, this is a... delicate topic for discussion. xD

But I think Fenris is a very long way from being willing to be bound in the bedroom like that. Perhaps he will never be ready for it. It would probably bring up a lot of negative and unpleasant memories. No, I don't think it will feel right for him, and doubt that he will be able to feel aroused in a situation like that.

You might be surprised. There are all sorts of psychological effects being restrained or bound, or even being in
slavery that have the opposite effect. I will be dealing with a few in my particular story, but even being raped might have some unintended behavioral quirks. Some rape victims have been known to become quite promiscuous after the event - in their way trying to lessen the emotional impact. It's been documented.

People are unpredictable, and it's safe to say that a traumatic event could have multiple mental side effects that
might not make sense to someone who has had a normal life.

 


True enough, it can depend on the person. But in Fenris' case, I don't think it will turn him on, or that he will like it if it turns Hawke on. He has become so opposed to slavery and oppression, that I dont'see him suddenly playing such a role for fun. 
I'm afraid I'm not explaining it all that well, but perhaps that is because it is mostly a feeling of me, intuition that says that doesn't fit his character. For now it will be a big step for him to just enjoy the love making in itself with Hawke, without being bothered with the nasty lingering memories of 'intimacy' with Danarius. After being a slave for years, the thing Fenris needs most is an equal relationship, where neither he nor Hawke will be the master of the other. 

Simply because of this:


by caiterhe


@ Tash: oh, I'm not offended. I don't blame you for wondering, it is an interesting question. 

@ Ghost: hehe, I love Hawke's disappointed face. Where does the comic come from? I can't find anything on deviant art with 
Yoink.Ladyredarkness.

Modifié par renjility, 21 février 2012 - 03:39 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Tashash wrote...

Yeesh...You know now I have to wonder if Fenris would be amenable to spicing up the bedroom antics in that way...On one hand, he's a very independant person and the thought of being bound or restraining his partner might not appeal to him, especially after what he's been through, but on the other hand BDSM, as I understand it, isn't actually about force or abusing your partner...

Opinions?

Who knows if he would enjoy it ... it takes all types lol But Hawke would have to be one heartless bastard/beotch to ever suggest it.  It would have to be something that Fenris brings forward, and honestly, I don't see that happening.

Seriously, this sort of thing only happens in fan fiction.  Yes, real couples do practice this ... I don't want to seem naive, but I'm going to make a huge guess and say it's about 5% of the population lol versus fan fiction couples, where it's apparently about 95% ... everyone in fan fiction is so dirty-dirty lol

No, it doesn't seem part of Fenris' character at all.  Maybe because I personally don't like that BDSM crap.  So it's hard for me to envision characters as liking it.  And I agree that for Fenris, just being with Hawke is enough.  BDSM is for people who ... actually have a pyschological need for that stuff.  They will do anything to satisfy that fetish.  I don't see Fenris as having a fetish, or at least, there's no evidence in the game for that.  You'd have to invent it, a la fanfic.

[Ghost_Nappa]

motomotogirl wrote...

Tashash wrote...

Yeesh...You know now I have to wonder if Fenris would be amenable to spicing up the bedroom antics in that way...On one hand, he's a very independant person and the thought of being bound or restraining his partner might not appeal to him, especially after what he's been through, but on the other hand BDSM, as I understand it, isn't actually about force or abusing your partner...

Opinions?

Who knows if he would enjoy it ... it takes all types lol But Hawke would have to be one heartless bastard/beotch to ever suggest it.  It would have to be something that Fenris brings forward, and honestly, I don't see that happening.

Seriously, this sort of thing only happens in fan fiction.  Yes, real couples do practice this ... I don't want to seem naive, but I'm going to make a huge guess and say it's about 5% of the population lol versus fan fiction couples, where it's apparently about 95% ... everyone in fan fiction is so dirty-dirty lol

No, it doesn't seem part of Fenris' character at all.  Maybe because I personally don't like that BDSM crap.  So it's hard for me to envision characters as liking it.  And I agree that for Fenris, just being with Hawke is enough.  BDSM is for people who ... actually have a pyschological need for that stuff.  They will do anything to satisfy that fetish.  I don't see Fenris as having a fetish, or at least, there's no evidence in the game for that.  You'd have to invent it, a la fanfic.

I like to reiterate thats why I like to seperate the BD from the SM. Although some fo the functions can be applied in healthier dosages. For instance the walking around with no underwear almost getting caught by a stranger fantasy.
Or hawke dressing as a beautiful 'stranger' scenario...granted you use those ideas after the flame has died down or children eat up your time that a hot night together soon turns into a full 8 hours of sleep and snuggling.

Or for a real case in point for spur of the moment sexyness I Believe Aliden made a certain fic about frolicing through a forest?

Oh as for the comic I got it off one of the artist from the MEG went through her galleries and found it.

[CuriousArtemis]

 Bah, I think it's just not to my taste 

Even in the above scenario given, of the "flame dying" in the relationship, seeing how the flame has faded and watching the pair struggle and try to reconnect is WAY more interesting than some raunchy sex scene.

But again, it's personal taste.  It's the result of having written a kajillion raunchy sex scenes and just being thoroughly tired of the whole genre now LOL

[gingergen]

motomotogirl wrote...

Seriously, this sort of thing only happens in fan fiction.  Yes, real couples do practice this ... I don't want to seem naive, but I'm going to make a huge guess and say it's about 5% of the population lol versus fan fiction couples, where it's apparently about 95% ... everyone in fan fiction is so dirty-dirty lol

I just want to note that like everything else, kink exists on a spectrum. I'd wager a lot more than 5% of couples have experimented with, say, binding their partner's hands, while probably fewer than 5% go in for the hardcore stuff. But I do agree you see a lot more kink in fan fiction -- because a lot more people like to read and think about kink than actually practice it. And that's all good too.

[Arquen]

LOL.. such a naughty conversation, but I'm going to have to actually agree with Harle on this one. I don't think Fenris would be into that at all, and I think it would be enough just finding the steps and kinks within the relationship without having to go to outside sources or "spice" as it were.

As for kinks in general -- not even going to touch that one. People like what they like, and fanfiction follows 2 basic rules when it comes to kinks -- either write something you can relate with, or write something fantasized that people want to relate with/ see. People are going to be drawn to their own kinks when reading fan-fiction, and some people just want to write fantasy that doesn't necessarily reflect their personal wants, but is just "sexy." Likewise people are going to want to read something outside their own personal kinks just because it is "sexy" sometimes.

Not much else to add, I pretty much agree with Harle there, except for the semi-public thing. I don't see Fenris even doing PDA let alone making himself so vulnerable as to have sex somewhere he could be discovered. Fenris isn't the kind of person who would like to be caught with his pants down, literally or figuratively. Other than that, I don't see dom/sub happening at all, and as Harle said even though some people respond to trauma etc.. differently. It is always going to be there in the back of his mind, and losing control, being controlled, even controlling someone else is something I don't think he is ever going to be willing to do or would enjoy.

[CuriousArtemis]

Agree with all y'all lol

Yeah, kinks exist, and I'm sure we all harbor them. But it takes a certain personality type to be willing to indulge in those fantasies, and to be open and extroverted enough to share your fantasy with a trusted partner.

Fenris is shy. I mean, yes, he has a definite teasing side to him, but he's one of the few characters who practically blushes when Hawke flirts with him. (That adorable little, "hahaha AHEM" when Hawke initially flirts with him LOL) Pretty much everyone else is like "OH YEAH, YOU WANT SUMMA THIS, BABY?!" whereas Fenris is like, uh, haha, well, um, maybe next time?"

So, with our boy being as shy as he is about such things, I don't see him asking Hawke to bust out the handcuffs anytime soon lol

[AbsoluteApril]

@renjility - oh that picture makes me want to cry

[gingergen]

motomotogirl wrote...

 Pretty much everyone else is like "OH YEAH, YOU WANT SUMMA THIS, BABY?!" whereas Fenris is like, uh, haha, well, um, maybe next time?"

And let's face it, that is a large part of what makes him so charming, isn't it? 
That first laugh-cough he does is adorable.

[aldien]

Here I am minding my own smutty business, reading Arquen's wall-o-text and I see my fic mentioned. Damn it! j/k Love ya Ghost.

I always make Fenris dominate to some degree in my smut, because I think it's just damn sexy and that way he is always in his comfort zone. And I don't mean he's pulling out whips and chains. That's something I could never see him or Hawke doing .

The worst thing I have written, as far as this topic goes, is Fenris tying Hawke's hands and blind folding her with a piece of red silk, but the whole scene remains humorous with Hawke crawling around the bed like an inch worm and Fenris making fun of her in a sweet way. And I write the fluffy angsty stuff too without the sex. *gasps* shocking I know. I just have to have a mix of things. Mostly humor. Point being, there's lots that can be written without getting crazy kinky. But, I guess the kinky line is different for everyone.

I have to admit I will never see Fenris doing anything extremely kinky. Not his style imo. Like Moto said, I think he just enjoys being with Hawke... and having sex that doesn't involve implements. He's got his own implement.

I did read this story the night before that was trying so hard to be crazy nasty dirty smut that it ended up sounding ridiculous. I didn't know such things existed and where to put them! ROFL. I couldn't stop laughing. I'm so mean.

[aldien]

motomotogirl wrote...

Agree with all y'all lol

Yeah, kinks exist, and I'm sure we all harbor them. But it takes a certain personality type to be willing to indulge in those fantasies, and to be open and extroverted enough to share your fantasy with a trusted partner.

Fenris is shy. I mean, yes, he has a definite teasing side to him, but he's one of the few characters who practically blushes when Hawke flirts with him. (That adorable little, "hahaha AHEM" when Hawke initially flirts with him LOL) Pretty much everyone else is like "OH YEAH, YOU WANT SUMMA THIS, BABY?!" whereas Fenris is like, uh, haha, well, um, maybe next time?"

So, with our boy being as shy as he is about such things, I don't see him asking Hawke to bust out the handcuffs anytime soon lol

I have to be a pain and say that in ACT III with Isabela he didn't sound so shy to me. But, I've always felt that relationship was quite contrived. *shrugs* Plus, he seems to enjoy her flirting all the way through until after he romances with Hawke. He doesn't cough that's for sure.

Modifié par aldien, 21 février 2012 - 08:26 .

[Ghost_Nappa]

Im probably the lone one who can actually see them doing that...but thats in the what if scenario they have little broody puppies and finally having a day to themselves.
Or Fenris snapping by dumping the brood (hah!) off at Varrics so Mommy and Daddy can have private time.

Then again I am just smiling at the ****holding moments the kids will do. Yes I can see it now. *rubs hands evilly*

[Dutchess]

AbsoluteApril wrote...

@renjility - oh that picture makes me want to cry

I know, right? It really show the sadness of Fenris' situation. You don't get over a past like that so easily.

[aldien]

Ghost_Nappa wrote...

Im probably the lone one who can actually see them doing that...but thats in the what if scenario they have little broody puppies and finally having a day to themselves.
Or Fenris snapping by dumping the brood (hah!) off at Varrics so Mommy and Daddy can have private time.

Then again I am just smiling at the ****holding moments the kids will do. Yes I can see it now. *rubs hands evilly*

LOL! Little broody puppies? Hehehe.


dumping the brood (hah!)----- are you punning on me?

Hmmmmm has this turned into a plot bunny?

I owe you reviews. I need to rectify that. Time on my hands tomorrow

Can the next picture be the sexiest  or happiest Fen picture ever? That one up there made me depressed.

Modifié par aldien, 22 février 2012 - 12:31 .

[Ghost_Nappa]

aldien wrote...

Ghost_Nappa wrote...

Im probably the lone one who can actually see them doing that...but thats in the what if scenario they have little broody puppies and finally having a day to themselves.
Or Fenris snapping by dumping the brood (hah!) off at Varrics so Mommy and Daddy can have private time.

Then again I am just smiling at the ****holding moments the kids will do. Yes I can see it now. *rubs hands evilly*

LOL! Little broody puppies? Hehehe.


dumping the brood (hah!)----- are you punning on me?

Hmmmmm has this turned into a plot bunny?

I owe you reviews. I need to rectify that. Time on my hands tomorrow

Can the next picture be the sexiest  or happiest Fen picture ever? That one up there made me depressed.

Meh I'll be on campus all day tomorrow..but ask and ye shall recieve. Yaaay bubbles! (been hitting the paint and chocolate again)   Blondiehasbrownhair

Modifié par Ghost_Nappa, 22 février 2012 - 01:10 .

[aldien]

Ghost_Nappa wrote...

aldien wrote...

Ghost_Nappa wrote...

Im probably the lone one who can actually see them doing that...but thats in the what if scenario they have little broody puppies and finally having a day to themselves.
Or Fenris snapping by dumping the brood (hah!) off at Varrics so Mommy and Daddy can have private time.

Then again I am just smiling at the ****holding moments the kids will do. Yes I can see it now. *rubs hands evilly*

LOL! Little broody puppies? Hehehe.


dumping the brood (hah!)----- are you punning on me?

Hmmmmm has this turned into a plot bunny?

I owe you reviews. I need to rectify that. Time on my hands tomorrow

Can the next picture be the sexiest  or happiest Fen picture ever? That one up there made me depressed.

Meh I'll be on campus all day tomorrow..but ask and ye shall recieve. Yaaay bubbles! (been hitting the paint and chocolate again)   Blondiehasbrownhair

ROFLMAO! You are genius.  :lol::lol:

[Ghost_Nappa]

Ok Im adding this one in just to up the ante. By JPShieux

[kemz19691]

motomotogirl wrote...

It has NOTHING to do with friendship and whether or not Hawke is male or female, mage or non-mage. It has to do with who is in your party.

For the desire demon: Isabela and Aveline will be tempted. Isabela will be tempted first. If you don't bring Isabela but do bring Aveline, then Aveline will be tempted. If you bring neither, then no one will be tempted here.

For the pride demon, Merrill, Fenris, and Varric will be tempted. Merrill will be tempted first. If you don't bring Merrill, then Fenris will be tempted. If you bring neither, then Varric will be tempted. If you don't bring Merrill, Fenris, or Varric, then no one will be tempted by the pride demon.

If your game breaks the above rules it's just bugged.

Also, I think if Hawke is in a friendship or friendship romance with Fenris then Fenris doesn't blame him. I say this because I've only friendship romanced him and he's NEVER blamed Hawke for what happened in the fade. So it must be a rivalry thing.

One of many reasons I dislike the rivalry

I must have a bug because neither Fenris nor Varric are tempted by Demon and I have DA2 on PS3- all DLCs.

[kemz19691]

aldien wrote...

I have to admit I will never see Fenris doing anything extremely kinky. Not his style imo. Like Moto said, I think he just enjoys being with Hawke... and having sex that doesn't involve implements. He's got his own implement.

I did read this story the night before that was trying so hard to be crazy nasty dirty smut that it ended up sounding ridiculous. I didn't know such things existed and where to put them! ROFL. I couldn't stop laughing. I'm so mean.

How do you explain then Fenris' line: I'm not made of glass (not fragile). ?

Plus, Fenris was subjected to high and diverse levels of abuse - so he probaby has a pretty high pain threshold. I think Fenris could get kinky depending on his mood - he's just so damn unpredictable.  He shocks me at times with his flirtation - like, where the hell did that come from? And then, he would table a night's romp for some other vague moment in time. He's soooo unpredictable. I think it's more then just discipline - I think a lot of connections to others was destroyed during enslavement.

It must be something like learning to walk again after decades of paralysis - the only memory of walking is as a child.  This is what it must feel like to Fenris - loving and trusting other ppl after so many years of slavery and isolation.

He also shocked me when he refused Hawke's comfort after he kills Hadrianna. Fenris is heavily gated and often I suspect he's unable to to really feel anything.

I was also surprised at his desire to connnect with Varania for other than just "I need to know who I am".  The 'affections' Danarius so fondly remembers are not true feelings - they were imagined by Danarius with his obedient slave.  Those kinds of experiences complicates someone's feelings - some may say his ability to love has atrophied.

Who knows?

Modifié par kemz19691, 22 février 2012 - 03:38 .

[gingergen]

OK, I know this is the Fenris thread, but seriously, that is the cutest drawing of Aveline I have ever seen. Ghost_Nappa you are full of awesome.