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Arquen wrote...

[i]The thing about the Lyrium being under his skin I’ll address first. The way I see it is that the Lyrium is burned into him. Not necessarily tattooed onto his skin, but literally engrained into his nervous/circulatory system. Sweat is a byproduct of the body and epidermis; it is the body’s natural cooling system and is taken from the water within a person’s body. It really isn’t taken from the blood or circulatory system, and while I think the Lyrium was burned into the circulatory system I also don’t see it as floating around in his actual bloodstream. More like scarring to his actual arterial and vein walls. The lyrium markings are a result of that scarring, and show through his skin. Consider someone struck by lightning, someone with scarred arteries/veins from something infiltrating or damaging them, it creates permanent scars.


I have a problem with this - becuase the body would regard the lyrium and whatever carrier used to distribute it, prevent it from clumping, aid in application to ski, etc - as foreign to the body.  The body would try and break the lyrium + carrier down.  

"In a laboratory within FDA's Arkansas-based National Center for
Toxicological Research (NCTR), research chemist Paul Howard, Ph.D., and
his team are investigating tattoo inks discovered: 
  • The body cells may digest and destroy the tattoo ink, just as they rid the
    body of bacteria and other foreign matter as a defense against
    infection. NCTR studies show that a common pigment used in yellow tattoo
    inks, Pigment Yellow 74, may be broken down by enzymes, or metabolized.
    "Just like the body metabolizes and excretes other substances, the body
    may metabolize small amounts of the tattoo pigment to make it more
    water soluble, and out it goes," says Howard.
  • Sunlight may cause the ink to break down so it is less visible. NCTR
    researchers have found that Pigment Yellow 74 decomposes in sunlight,
    breaking down into components that are colorless. The pigment components
    may still be there, says Howard, and we don't know if these are
    potentially toxic.
  • The skin cells containing the ink may be killed by sunlight.

"Research has also shown that some pigment migrates from the tattoo
site to the body's lymph nodes, says Howard. Lymph nodes are part of the
lymphatic system, a collection of fluid-carrying vessels in the body
that filter out disease-causing organisms. Whether the migration of
tattoo ink has health consequences or not is still unknown. NCTR is
doing further research to answer this and other questions about the
safety of tattoo inks."

David Gaider alludes that the lyrium in Fenris' may become unstable without maintenance and I think Fenris requires some injection replacement every so many years? i thinkt he body breaks down that lyrium, which is why he need it.

If Fenris doesn't get it, he will over time lose his power and possibly get lyrium-poisoning?:huh:

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Harle Cerulean wrote...

Well, given that he likely cuts his hair himself, with a knife and no mirror, I'd say it could look worse!


You make a good point, however, there is a flaw to your argument:
Typically, a man in a relationship appears 'neater' than he did while single.  At least, that's my own observation.  Lovers/partners help with grooming. 

Look at Hawke -- a m!Hawke is neat! Nicely trimmed beard, clean hair cut.  Or a f!Hawke - neat hair, tweezed eyebrows, etc.  So, you want me to think a romanced Fenris would still look that shabby? I'm not saying that Hawke would want to change Fenris - just clean him up a bit. :wub:

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I've never really had a problem with his pores. *shrugs* I think he looks good, and a bit rough. As for the stubble shadow... I still don't see it. xD Fenris doesn't have a beard as far as I can tell.

Questions:
1) Would u say Fenris' nose is 'slender, arrow-shaped'?
Not really arrow-shaped, I guess. Don't know how to describe his nose, other than that the word "straight" comes to mind.
2) Would you say Fenris' eyes are almond-shaped and large for his face?
Almond-shaped, no. They're more rond. Large for his face... for a human, yeah, but they are simply part of the new elf design.
3) Would you say Fenris had long dark eyelashes or does he wear makeup?
Noooooo, he doesn't wear make up. He has long eyelashes. Like Bambi. ;)
4) Would you say Fenris' lips are full but small for his face?
Full, yes, small, no.
5) What color are his eyes - apple green? Sparkly?
They are far darker than apple green. More moss green, or... pine green I think.
6) What's your favorite 'Fenris' Feature?
His ears!
7) How old do you think Fenris looks?
I find it very hard to guess his age. I'd say he is 27 in act 1.
8) How old do you think Fenris was during the ritual?
I think he wasn't that old when it happened to him, 16/17.

@ aldien: that image of Fenris is very creepy! :o


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kemz19691 wrote...

I have questions re: descriptions of Fenris.

1) Would u say Fenris' nose is 'slender, arrow-shaped'?
2) Would you say Fenris' eyes are almond-shaped and large for his face?
3) Would you say Fenris had long dark eyelashes or does he wear makeup?
4) Would you say Fenris' lips are full but small for his face?
5) What color are his eyes - apple green? Sparkly?
6) What's your favorite 'Fenris' Feature?


1.I'd say his nose is narrow barrelled, long and seems to be at a 90 degree angle.

2.I'd say his eyes are oblong oval shaped

3. He has dark eyelashed. His hair was dark according to his eyebrows ;)

4. I'd say they are very full but seem to be in proportion

5. His eyes seem to be olivine

6. Fav feature would be his toes  <3 If we are talking about his face it would be the wrinkle he does at the top of his nose

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motomotogirl wrote...

7. He looks about 35
8. I'd say he was around 19 during the ritual. He did compete, so he would have to be a full grown young man to physically best others.

I like to imagine that Fenbear is around 28-30 at the start of the game so he's in his mid to late 30s towards the end.
Oh, and I love his hair, too.


What kind of duties do you think Fenris had prior to winning the boon? I think Fenris was selected for warrior training- but I don't know why.  He doesn't really have the build for a fighter -but he refers to himself as a "warrior". This is where I think the developers really messed up:

When Danarius shows up in Kirkwall, he's surrounded by 'soldiers'.  They're all pretty rugged in size.  Fenris would not have been selected for this kind of work. So, I'm wondering how Fenris ended up in this kind of vocation.

Any idea?

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Geez Fenris needs to start a support group in Kirkwall ... Elves Against Spontaneous Acts of Snuggling. What a curmudgeon! xD

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kemz19691 wrote...

What kind of duties do you think Fenris had prior to winning the boon? I think Fenris was selected for warrior training- but I don't know why.  He doesn't really have the build for a fighter -but he refers to himself as a "warrior". This is where I think the developers really messed up:

When Danarius shows up in Kirkwall, he's surrounded by 'soldiers'.  They're all pretty rugged in size.  Fenris would not have been selected for this kind of work. So, I'm wondering how Fenris ended up in this kind of vocation.

Any idea?


He definitely have the build for a fighter!  (for an elf)  Check out those arms!  He's pretty darn buff.  Just because elves are LITERALLY thinner than humans and dwarves doesn't mean they're weaker ... perhaps their muscles are more efficient.  But he's definitely very, very fit.

Think about women who are warriors, fighters, and soldiers.  They are not necessarily hulking monstrosities.  The tiniest woman can still kick your ass if she knows what she's doing!

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motomotogirl wrote...

Geez Fenris needs to start a support group in Kirkwall ... Elves Against Spontaneous Acts of Snuggling. What a curmudgeon! xD


What the hell does curmudgeon mean? I'm too damn lazy to look it up,.


By the way, just out of extreme curiosity, for those writing Fenris fanfiction out there, do you people get lots of anime lovers, True Blood fans and My Little Pony fanfiction writers (DONT ASK ME!) reading your stories that haven't played DA2? I'm trying to figure out if it's Fenris's looks that are attracting them to the DA fanfiction. I daren't ask the MY Little Pony person why they are reading DA fanfiction. :blink:

I just found out the My Little Pony person also write My Little Pony pron. I mean really. I know it takes all kind but come on!

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[quote]aldien wrote...

1.I'd say his nose is narrow barrelled, long and seems to be at a 90 degree angle.[/quote]
The designer did an excellent job putting him together.
[quote]2.I'd say his eyes are oblong oval shaped[/quote]
How is that different from almond shape? (grrrr....)
[quote]5. His eyes seem to be olivine[/quote]
I love this description - olive-colored is more accurate imo. I think Merrill's eyes are a deeper green than Fenris'.
6. Fav feature would be his toes  <3[/quote]I, too, love his toes - but his best features are his eyes, ears, nose, toes. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/love.png[/smilie] He has adorable feet! Reminds me of cat feet. He has beautiful noble ears - everything about Fenris reminds me of a cat for some reason.

So the ritual turned his hair white? I would like to refute this because it's just too sad but the only argument I can mount would be - ppl around Kirkwall have different colored hair/bears, hair/eyebrows.

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With dedicated training anyone can become a good fighter. IMO whatever the contest Danarius held would have focused on endurance and determination to survive. From what Fenris said about the ritual those traits seem key.

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motomotogirl wrote...
He definitely have the build for a fighter!  (for an elf)  Check out those arms!  He's pretty darn buff.  Just because elves are LITERALLY thinner than humans and dwarves doesn't mean they're weaker ... perhaps their muscles are more efficient.  But he's definitely very, very fit.

Think about women who are warriors, fighters, and soldiers.  They are not necessarily hulking monstrosities.  The tiniest woman can still kick your ass if she knows what she's doing!


I've always seen elves as naturally inspired to the archery/mage/assassin/rogue classes  becuase of their lithe build, not the warrior class.  I just don't see Fenris as a warrior without the lyrium.  His build is not robust enough for a warrior. 

Warriors need to have excellent upper-body strenght to handle heavy melee weapons.  It's strange to see Fenris with a sword that looks like it weighs more than him. It's almost comical. 

Also, a warrior needs to have great strenght to wrestle oponents.  I think a f!Hawke could easily pin Fenris down - did you see her throw him up against the wall? And Fenris looks all but like a small boy in contrast to a m!Hawke (who Varric says is slightly taller, so Hawke would do the sweeping).  Varric also implies that bigger people could pick up and throw Fenris around, which suggests he's not that strong.:blush:

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#49012
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Ser Bard wrote...

With dedicated training anyone can become a good fighter. IMO whatever the contest Danarius held would have focused on endurance and determination to survive. From what Fenris said about the ritual those traits seem key.


Maybe you're right - this is an excellent point. I assumed it was a gladiator-style contest not an endurance contest. However, none of the contestants ever had lyrium injected into their skin.  How do you test for that? :unsure:

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aldien wrote...
I just found out the My Little Pony person also write My Little Pony pron. I mean really. I know it takes all kind but come on!

cur·mudg·eon/kərˈməjən/Noun:A bad-tempered or surly person usually an old man.
My Little Pony porn? What the hell?! Now that is some seriously deviant #$^$

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Mmmmmmmmmm Fenris's biceps. If you want to talk about a part of his body that is out of proportion that would be it. Hopefully, there is another part that is also out of proportion. Oh well, a woman can dream.

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aldien wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Geez Fenris needs to start a support group in Kirkwall ... Elves Against Spontaneous Acts of Snuggling. What a curmudgeon! xD


What the hell does curmudgeon mean? I'm too damn lazy to look it up,.


By the way, just out of extreme curiosity, for those writing Fenris fanfiction out there, do you people get lots of anime lovers, True Blood fans and My Little Pony fanfiction writers (DONT ASK ME!) reading your stories that haven't played DA2? I'm trying to figure out if it's Fenris's looks that are attracting them to the DA fanfiction. I daren't ask the MY Little Pony person why they are reading DA fanfiction. :blink:

I just found out the My Little Pony person also write My Little Pony pron. I mean really. I know it takes all kind but come on!


ROFL. My Little Pony.... ehm... no, that would be just your audience, hahaha.:P No, just kidding, but I don't have a fan yet that reads My Little Pony as well, as far as I could tell. I did have some fav's from people with an anime profile picture and stories in their fav list that seem about anime. At first I though: "Oh, look, I've got a fan from Japan!", but when I looked at her profile description she seemed more American, lol. xD


I agree the greatsword doesn't look that good in combination with Fenris body type. That's why I think dual wielding would have suited him better (how bad-ass he would have looked then!) but I don't think Fenris is weak at all. He is definitely strong, and the wall-slam isn't really an indicator of female Hawke being stronger than he is. You can't really compare that with pure, rough battle violence and strength. 

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Wow I have a lot to catch up on...but Ill be the first to say this.,...I am also a Brony. (A my little pony friendship is magic fan) and I do not condone of the pony porn! Besides something about it catches my attention thatI enjoy making jokes about the show. Plus Im just a sucker for some of the more hidden jokes they got in the show. That and the brony community make awesome mix songs from the show.

Back to Fenris....wow I got nothing to add aside from I for one want a man, elven, with a beard. Also I like the pore on his face being rugged and I do think he's got a few years on Hawke when he joins. Ok concentration breaking so heres a little something for yaby pakipaki-yuki.
I love her sketches and her little notes.

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aldien wrote...

Mmmmmmmmmm Fenris's biceps. If you want to talk about a part of his body that is out of proportion that would be it. Hopefully, there is another part that is also out of proportion. Oh well, a woman can dream.

Fenris' biceps are deliciously perfect! Sexiest thing on him below his waist and above his ankles! He has biker's biceps, and they are hot!!! Please don't disturb this fantasy?:(

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 He seems pretty darn strong when he sweeps in front of my Hawke and takes out five guys at once with one massive blow of his hammer.
Wow the above statement could be read in an extremely pornographic light if you so wanted.  
But we are all angels here :innocent:

Maybe Aveline should have been a one-handed warrior and Fenris could carry a sword and shield, like many of the Dalish folks.

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"Except you, Anders, stop calling us already"

ROFLLLLLLL xD

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Nah, Fenris with sword and shield wouldn't really fit either. Not awesome enough. :P

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renjility wrote...
I agree the greatsword doesn't look that good in combination with Fenris body type. That's why I think dual wielding would have suited him better (how bad-ass he would have looked then!) but I don't think Fenris is weak at all. He is definitely strong, and the wall-slam isn't really an indicator of female Hawke being stronger than he is. You can't really compare that with pure, rough battle violence and strength.


A little comparative analysis...

I'm a woman, 5'2 and I'm assuming Fenris is about 5'7 or 5'8.  I could wall-slam him! He looks like he weighs about 80 lbs (soaked). He's so lithe, so tiny - Fenris isn't gonna throw me anywhere. So, say I was a foe fighter and we both lost our weapons... and we had to wrestle to the death... and

(WHY am I aroused? He's too beautiful for melee fighting)

Okay, I think my point is that Fenris does not look built for melee fighting. That's all I'm saying. He could turn into a lyium ghost and kill me - but I didn't consider that while I played through the wrestling scenarios (in my mind). ;)

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Oh...oh...oh! What about a bow and dagger combo? We could watch him flex his biceps when he pulls the string back and he could do the archer stance.

Do you think he is a vegetarian? He hates fish and mentions apples. Just wondering.

Hey, Ghost,  I have fond memories of MLP as a kid. And yeah, I was quite surprised I attracted this particular person, Ren, but I'm sure they are rather lovely in person. Who knows? I want to do strange things to Fenris's toes so maybe I shouldn't be quick to judge.

LOL at the picture Ghost! I want the pillow! I am reading your chapter right now. *hugs*

Not trying to mess up your fantasy Kemz. I think they are sexy too, but sometimes I look at them and worry they may explode.

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kemz19691 wrote...

renjility wrote...
I agree the greatsword doesn't look that good in combination with Fenris body type. That's why I think dual wielding would have suited him better (how bad-ass he would have looked then!) but I don't think Fenris is weak at all. He is definitely strong, and the wall-slam isn't really an indicator of female Hawke being stronger than he is. You can't really compare that with pure, rough battle violence and strength.


A little comparative analysis...

I'm a woman, 5'2 and I'm assuming Fenris is about 5'7 or 5'8.  I could wall-slam him! He looks like he weighs about 80 lbs (soaked). He's so lithe, so tiny - Fenris isn't gonna throw me anywhere. So, say I was a foe fighter and we both lost our weapons... and we had to wrestle to the death... and

(WHY am I aroused? He's too beautiful for melee fighting)

Okay, I think my point is that Fenris does not look built for melee fighting. That's all I'm saying. He could turn into a lyium ghost and kill me - but I didn't consider that while I played through the wrestling scenarios (in my mind). ;)


I'd love to play Twister with Fenris, but he'd win being all flexy and stuff. Quite sexy. Don't forget the lyrium gives him power, so maybe, even with his small body he is very strong because of that stuff under his skin. Just guessing.

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motomotogirl wrote...

 He seems pretty darn strong when he sweeps in front of my Hawke and takes out five guys at once with one massive blow of his hammer.
Wow the above statement could be read in an extremely pornographic light if you so wanted.  
But we are all angels here :innocent:

Maybe Aveline should have been a one-handed warrior and Fenris could carry a sword and shield, like many of the Dalish folks.

I like the idea that Fenris would be better with dual weapon/rogue.

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Hmm, I am 5'7, so Fen and I are probably about the same height. He could quite easily wall-slam me because I'm a total WIMP lol

Pretty much the only person I might have a chance against would be ... well, I won't even say Merrill, because she's younger and more flexible than me.

Damn it I need to take a trip to the gym.