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[Dutchess]

LOL, are you now talking about whoring out Fenris?

I suppose Isabela wouldn't mind...


by iPoppet

[kemz19691]

If you could purchase a "Fenris" life-sized personal android, would you? If so, how much would you be willing to pay?

If the android was fully upgradeable for the robot's lifetime, I'd borrow the money as long as he didn't cost as much as a small house

[CuriousArtemis]

 I think I would have to pass on the Fenris android  A bit creepy, that!

[AbsoluteApril]

I'd pay a pretty penny for a Fenris VR program ala Star Trek's holodeck... we could, uh, go on adventures and stuff

[kemz19691]

motomotogirl wrote...

 I think I would have to pass on the Fenris android  A bit creepy, that!

A full-size, fully-functioning AI android would creep you out? Some believe there will be personal androids in most homes in South Korea by 2020. That's less than 8 years from now.

[CuriousArtemis]

[quote]kemz19691 wrote...

 I think I would have to pass on the Fenris android  A bit creepy, that![/quote] A full-size, fully-functioning AI android would creep you out? Some believe there will be personal androids in most homes in South Korea by 2020. That's less than 8 years from now.
[/quote]

*nodnod*  Come on, a robot that looks, sounds, and feels like a person?  BUT IS ACTUALLY A ROBOT?  And is probably plotting to kill you.

Unless it is a love robot like Jude Law in AI 

[kemz19691]

AbsoluteApril wrote...

I'd pay a pretty penny for a Fenris VR program ala Star Trek's holodeck... we could, uh, go on adventures and stuff

If you could add an adventure in the DA2 that involved Fenris - what would it be?

I would like to visit Seheron or Tevinter Imperium.

[CuriousArtemis]

kemz19691 wrote...

If you could add an adventure in the DA2 that involved Fenris - what would it be?

I would like to visit Seheron or Tevinter Imperium.

Duh -- honeymoon in Orlais 

[kemz19691]

motomotogirl wrote...

kemz19691 wrote...

If you could add an adventure in the DA2 that involved Fenris - what would it be?

I would like to visit Seheron or Tevinter Imperium.

Duh -- honeymoon in Orlais 

You would marry your Hawke to Fenris?  I know it sounds like a "duh-duh" question, but I'm curious: why marriage? My first round of infactuation with Fenris, I was matrimonial. Now, however, I realize that he's probably better off free to make choices or made to think he's free to make choices.

I know we've probably round-robin'd this to death, but: given that his lyrium could become unstable, would you want to be attempt family building with him? Just a question.

Modifié par kemz19691, 27 février 2012 - 08:05 .

[kemz19691]

[quote]motomotogirl wrote...

[quote]kemz19691 wrote...

 I think I would have to pass on the Fenris android  A bit creepy, that![/quote] A full-size, fully-functioning AI android would creep you out? Some believe there will be personal androids in most homes in South Korea by 2020. That's less than 8 years from now.
[/quote]

*nodnod*  Come on, a robot that looks, sounds, and feels like a person?  BUT IS ACTUALLY A ROBOT?  And is probably plotting to kill you.

Unless it is a love robot like Jude Law in AI [/quote]

Having a broody Fenris life-size adult playtoy would be awesome. Given that the AI could make some decisions for himself, it would be awesome. Unfortunately, we don't live in mideval days and would have no quests to enjoy. It would look odd taking your Fenris to Dave & Busters or to the cinema. He would appear odd - and people would know he was a robot. That would be more embarassing.

The only usefulness he could offer - only in the privacy of the bedroom or just around the house. He would be a good sparring partner, though - if u wanted to learn fencing or swordsmanship.

Modifié par kemz19691, 27 février 2012 - 08:32 .

[CuriousArtemis]

kemz19691 wrote...

You would marry your Hawke to Fenris?  I know it sounds like a "duh-duh" question, but I'm curious: why marriage? My first round of infactuation with Fenris, I was matrimonial. Now, however, I realize that he's probably better off free to make choices or made to think he's free to make choices.

I know we've probably round-robin'd this to death, but: given that his lyrium could become unstable, would you want to be attempt family building with him? Just a question.

Uh, yeah.  If the option were available, of course my Hawke would marry Fenris.  Is this somehow controversial? LOL They are in love.  Er, I don't exactly see how Hawke proposing marriage equates Fenris giving up his freedom and ability to make choices.  

I can't really answer the second question as I don't self-project with Fenris.  But certainly my Hawke would start a family with him if they could ... of course that means they'd have to adopt  Daddy Fenris would be so cute!!

[DarkAmaranth1966]

I agree with Moto, were it an option, my Hawke would have a civil union with Fenris and, they would adopt a couple of refugee orphans. (m/m so can't have babies) Who's to say Fen isn't the top in the relationship? Why would being married equal loss of freedom?

[gingergen]

kemz19691 wrote...
You would marry your Hawke to Fenris?  I know it sounds like a "duh-duh" question, but I'm curious: why marriage? My first round of infactuation with Fenris, I was matrimonial. Now, however, I realize that he's probably better off free to make choices or made to think he's free to make choices.

I know we've probably round-robin'd this to death, but: given that his lyrium could become unstable, would you want to be attempt family building with him? Just a question.

As I recall, this is a touchy subject.

That said, I agree that I don' t see Fenris as the marrying sort - I think they'd stay together as long as they could, but neither Fenris or Hawke seem particularly concerned about what the Chantry thinks, and as much as Fenris loves Hawke there are too many unknowns about his past and future for him to want to make that kind of committment. He is so sensitive about truth and honesty and I think he wouldn't want her saddled with an unknown burden. Who knows what will happen to him as he ages?

If it were important to Hawke, she might be able to talk him into it, but I don't think it would be his personal inclination. Which is fine with me, because frankly my Hawke doesn't give a rip about convention. I don't see them settling down and having a family, especially not with everything that has happened. I can imagine them going off in search of more of Fenris' past, or dealing with the Chantry/mage mess in Kirkwall, or getting tangled up in more of Flemeth's mysterious plans much more readily than buying a house and raising progeny.

And this might be really controversial, but I don't think Fenris would be a very good father. His main method of problem solving seems to be kill it or run away. Not a very applicable set of coping skills for child rearing. And I imagine that while he's sorted out his touching issues with Hawke, he's still dangerous to anything that takes him by surprise. Maybe that will change over time, but certainly at the end of game, he is not ready. Again too, I think not knowing about his past or future would make him reluctant to have children. If there were accidental progeny, I think he'd try to do his best, of course. I just don't see him being a model father.

But! The game doesn't address any of this, so everyone's opinion is their own!

[Dutchess]

I don't think Fenris would care that much about marriage, but wouldn't mind to marry Hawke. "Nothing could be worse than the thought of living without you." That man isn't going anywhere, and I don't see why he would have a problem with some kind of official bond between him and Hawke. Why would a marriage increase the burden or responsibility? I don't understand why some people keep seeing him as someone with commitment issues, someone who doesn't want to be tied down. Yes, he has those issues in act 2, and the three years that follow, but in the end he gets over his fear and the idea of being unworthy of Hawke's love. I don't think he will fall back to that so easily, especially not because of the suggestion of a marriage.
I don't say all his issues magically disappear after he and Hawke get back together, but I do believe he has gotten over the worst part. That's the whole point of the getting back together.

After the Varania incident, Fenris seems to let go of the idea of finding out who he used to be. I think he finds closure after that, the will to let go of the past and the unkown, and focus more on the future. Especially when in a relationship with Hawke, he can find peace with who and what he is/was. Hawke loves him despite all that, and that alone will help Fenris greatly, I think.

[AbsoluteApril]

kemz19691 wrote... 
If you could add an adventure in the DA2 that involved Fenris - what would it be?

I would like to visit Seheron or Tevinter Imperium.

Agreed,  it would be quite interesting to go to both of those places with him, to hear his perspective and for Hawke to see it with his/her own eyes. Blood magic being done in the streets or is it not as bad as Fenris made it sound? I'd also like to see Hawke and Fenris go to Orlais but maybe that's just because I want to see Fenris in finery, a frilly suit and tophat or something.. still sad he didn't get an alternate loook in the MotA DLC.

However if I had my holodeck Fenris I'd probably end up making out with him all day.


My Hawkes would both like to marry Fenris, he already wears the red ribbon and crest, I don't think he'd have a problem with a ring; however, they have no desire for children, perhaps because I don't but also perhaps because they realize their lifestyle wouldn't exactly be an ideal choice to start a family... Marian Mage Hawke is going to be on the run with him, possibly finding isolated quiet areas to stay for a while but would always be on the lookout (her being hunted instead of Fenris being hunted... I wonder how he would take to that life again?). Vivian Warrior Viscount Hawke, well it would appear based on Varric's tales that Hawke didn't remain viscount for long and left Kirkwall. Where did they go? Up to Tevinter to stoke the fires and fight the magisters or back to Ferelden to find peace and quite? I assume they would be North and pushing the fight against mages.

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 27 février 2012 - 06:05 .

[gingergen]

AbsoluteApril wrote...

However if I had my holodeck Fenris I'd probably end up making out with him all day.

Agree x100

[CuriousArtemis]

gingergen wrote...

And this might be really controversial, but I don't think Fenris would be a very good father. His main method of problem solving seems to be kill it or run away. Not a very applicable set of coping skills for child rearing. And I imagine that while he's sorted out his touching issues with Hawke, he's still dangerous to anything that takes him by surprise. Maybe that will change over time, but certainly at the end of game, he is not ready. Again too, I think not knowing about his past or future would make him reluctant to have children. If there were accidental progeny, I think he'd try to do his best, of course. I just don't see him being a model father.

But! The game doesn't address any of this, so everyone's opinion is their own!

Wow I love this discussion, and it's totally true that everyone sees Fenris differently! 

Well, my comment on children is, who ever IS ready to have children?  Who is the "model" parent?  Fenris probably does not consider himself the model lover.  But is he not a "good" lover to Hawke?  (What does that even mean?)  Hawke loves him, and he admits he loves him/her back.  (It also depends on how you play your Hawke and whether or not s/he would want children ... I think all of mine would.)  I think Fenris would have to be convinced that this is a good idea.  For a female Hawke, she would have to talk to him about it, and I do believe he would give in after awhile.  

For a male Hawke, I see him wanting to take in an urchin or two, and Fenris grumping about it, but growing attached to the kid after awhile, and finally loving him/her.

Fenris is not an animal; he is a elf human being!  Yes, he has had great trauma, but he is also capable of great love.  He's a good egg, deep down.

[aldien]

Fenris hints at marriage in MoTA. He'd make an excellent parent; he knows he's not perfect.

[gingergen]

aldien wrote...

Fenris hints at marriage in MoTA. He'd make an excellent parent; he knows he's not perfect.

Does he? Dammit, somehow I managed to miss almost ALL the good banter in MoTA. Either I'm going to have to play it again, or hie me to YouTube.

motomotogirl - your point about "who ever IS ready for kids" is an excellent one. I suspect my answers to these questions might tell you more about my own experience (no kids, not yet married - engaged though!) than anything inherently Fenris. But then, I personally think that's the case for all of us. It's one of the reasons this story is so compelling! It's flexible enough to support a wide array of ideas.

[Cosmochyck]

I think Fenris would be open to marriage. He is no longer anyone's property, and he can choose what he wants for himself. I think my Hawke and Fenris perhaps have a small civil ceremony, but I'm not sure about the kids. If they managed to settle down somewhere, maybe. Otherwise I see their lifestyle not being "kid friendly".

The page is sadly lacking the sexy elf!

By mySpaceDementia

[aldien]

gingergen wrote...

aldien wrote...

Fenris hints at marriage in MoTA. He'd make an excellent parent; he knows he's not perfect.

Does he? Dammit, somehow I managed to miss almost ALL the good banter in MoTA. Either I'm going to have to play it again, or hie me to YouTube.

motomotogirl - your point about "who ever IS ready for kids" is an excellent one. I suspect my answers to these questions might tell you more about my own experience (no kids, not yet married - engaged though!) than anything inherently Fenris. But then, I personally think that's the case for all of us. It's one of the reasons this story is so compelling! It's flexible enough to support a wide array of ideas.

*spoiler*

Highly abbreviated MoTA marriage discussion based on FHawke. (have no idea about MHawke. Going to guess it is the same)

Tallis asks: Hawke are you married?

Depending on personality Hawke says: Why do you want to know?

Tallis: Just wondering if there is a husband behind the throne (something along those lines)

Fenris says: A fine question (with tons of insuation)

But the cutest part of the whole conversation was Hawke's reaction. It was the first time she felt human to me because she made this uncomfortable little noise...it reminded of Fenris's reaction when you flirt with him outside of the mansion the first time and he gives that nervous cough. It was that sweet. *goes gooey*

His plucky comment is my favorite. LOL! All I could think is he's thinking about the sex he is having with Hawke, like rabbits or in this case like Wyverns.

I agree with the flexibility. It is hard for the writers to appeal to everyone. You say something about marriage someone may not like it, you don't, then someone else mayl be disappointed. Just because Fenris may insuate marriage it doesn't mean Hawke's wants it. For all we know, Fenris could have been joking. The game is whatever you want it to be. 

Nice picture Cosmo!

Modifié par aldien, 27 février 2012 - 09:56 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Nope, M!Hawke does not get that banter. Just another faint instant of homophobia in DA2. Sigh. High point of contention for us M!Hawk x Fenris fans.

[AbsoluteApril]

aldien wrote...

gingergen wrote...

Does he? Dammit, somehow I managed to miss almost ALL the good banter in MoTA. Either I'm going to have to play it again, or hie me to YouTube.

*spoiler*

Highly abbreviated MoTA marriage discussion based on FHawke. (have no idea about MHawke. Going to guess it is the same)

Tallis asks: Hawke are you married?

Depending on personality Hawke says: Why do you want to know?

Tallis: Just wondering if there is a husband behind the throne (something along those lines)

Fenris says: A fine question (with tons of insuation)

I love that banter! I believe you have to do at least one flirt with Tallis in order for it to trigger.

If I could figure out my stupid game capture device and get it working correctly, I have a save point right before this is said that I want to put on youtube.

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 27 février 2012 - 10:51 .

[kemz19691]

motomotogirl wrote...

kemz19691 wrote...

You would marry your Hawke to Fenris?  I know it sounds like a "duh-duh" question, but I'm curious: why marriage? My first round of infactuation with Fenris, I was matrimonial. Now, however, I realize that he's probably better off free to make choices or made to think he's free to make choices.

I know we've probably round-robin'd this to death, but: given that his lyrium could become unstable, would you want to be attempt family building with him? Just a question.

Uh, yeah.  If the option were available, of course my Hawke would marry Fenris.  Is this somehow controversial? LOL They are in love.  Er, I don't exactly see how Hawke proposing marriage equates Fenris giving up his freedom and ability to make choices.  

I can't really answer the second question as I don't self-project with Fenris.  But certainly my Hawke would start a family with him if they could ... of course that means they'd have to adopt  Daddy Fenris would be so cute!!

An argument over semantics: Fenris never says "I love you" as Anders did. How do you know he loves Hawke? If he confessed love, please tell me in which Act (if Fenris is romanced)?

I believe Anders feels romantic love for Hawke (short-lived, of course) wheras Fenris has some kind of abiding affection born out of respect but short of love.

I think Hawke is unlike anyone Fenris has ever known - given that his memories are only of a slave's life post ritual.  I think Hawke must appear somewhat like a hero to Fenris - how he depends on Hawke to help him fight off slavers, magisters, former master. Almost like a Protector.  Fenris doesn't know how to make decisions for himself, which is why he looks to Hawke to problem-solve.

I think we should distinguish companions' feelings for Hawke.  To me, the greatest example of romantic love is with Merrill who falls in love with Hawke.  Anders, it could be argued, uses a relationship to manipulate Hawke; however, I believe he genuinely falls in love with her/him. 

[Ghost_Nappa]

wow I am burnt out on how to reply to all this marriage idea...but to get that conversation about marriage ya gotta flirt with Tallis before you head to the counts home. (one wvern,s two wyverns ha ha ha!).

Robot...Im up for a hell no. Mostly due to when we have something not human that looks human we reach an uncanny valley where it just displeases it. It varies from person to person in any form of gaming media and forms of art...but a learning AI that looks like Fenris and I 'take care of'?

...Sorry part of me would rather play a mother role to him then make out with him....granted cause if I got one the spouse would demand a Isabella/Qunari/Asari robot. Plus this comic sorta voices my feelings on it.