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[kemz19691]

DarkAmaranth1966 wrote...

I agree with Moto, were it an option, my Hawke would have a civil union with Fenris and, they would adopt a couple of refugee orphans. (m/m so can't have babies) Who's to say Fen isn't the top in the relationship? Why would being married equal loss of freedom?

My argument against marrying Fenris: He probably has no model for a healthy relationship.  His only memories are of his life as a slave to Danarius, and we all know that isn't a healthy model. <_<  He has no memory of a father or his mother and he has put away his sister. 

I have seen Fenris in game angry - he's short-tempered and easily offends. He doesn't receive sympathy or empathy well, and you need to be more receptive to that in a relationship.  Fenris is quit to cut Hawke down by saying - "You were never slave", as if Hawke wouldn't have any inkling as to what misery Fenris' life has been.

I think the sex would be hot - but I would fear that Fenris would easily be overwhelmed by familial and marital obligations. Remember what Fenris did when Hawke attempted to comfort him after killing Hadriana? And you say that Fenris would make a great hubby and dad?

[kemz19691]

gingergen wrote...

As I recall, this is a touchy subject.

That said, I agree that I don' t see Fenris as the marrying sort - I think they'd stay together as long as they could, but neither Fenris or Hawke seem particularly concerned about what the Chantry thinks, and as much as Fenris loves Hawke there are too many unknowns about his past and future for him to want to make that kind of committment. He is so sensitive about truth and honesty and I think he wouldn't want her saddled with an unknown burden. Who knows what will happen to him as he ages?

I concur, in part.

I don't think Fenris "loves" Hawke in the common sense.  I think he's attached to Hawke and what we see is extreme loyalty, admiration and probably some "hero worship".  Fenris doesn't desire Hawke as a man desires a woman/man for an intimate relationship - Fenris doesn't seek an intimate relationship with Hawke - too much pain, memories, etc. He even admits he acts cowardly - probably because these feelings are too big for him right now.

If it were important to Hawke, she might be able to talk him into it, but I don't think it would be his personal inclination. Which is fine with me, because frankly my Hawke doesn't give a rip about convention. I don't see them settling down and having a family, especially not with everything that has happened. I can imagine them going off in search of more of Fenris' past, or dealing with the Chantry/mage mess in Kirkwall, or getting tangled up in more of Flemeth's mysterious plans much more readily than buying a house and raising progeny.

And this might be really controversial, but I don't think Fenris would be a very good father. His main method of problem solving seems to be kill it or run away. Not a very applicable set of coping skills for child rearing. And I imagine that while he's sorted out his touching issues with Hawke, he's still dangerous to anything that takes him by surprise. Maybe that will change over time, but certainly at the end of game, he is not ready. Again too, I think not knowing about his past or future would make him reluctant to have children. If there were accidental progeny, I think he'd try to do his best, of course. I just don't see him being a model father.

I concur fully!

I LOVE Fenris, but I also appreciate his severe limitatations. Fenris lacks the skills and abilities to handle familial and marital situations.  The 'cons' of a Fenris marriage:

• he's emotionally unstable - a powderkeg 
• he cannot manage his hatred and anger towards magical people (imagine if his child is magical)
• he sees the world in only black and white
• he doesn't understand diplomacy or the value of diplomacy
• he's way too moody
• neither he nor Hawke knows who Fenris is since Fenris has no memory prior to ritual
• he killed the altruistic Fogwarriors - isn't he capable of killing Hawke or his children
• violence seems almost gratuitous to him - how would he handle punishment as a parent?

Fenris is a big unknown to me and given his foundation of slavery reinforced with violence - my Hawke wouldn't want to parent with him or marry him.

[kemz19691]

renjility wrote...

I don't say all his issues magically disappear after he and Hawke get back together, but I do believe he has gotten over the worst part. That's the whole point of the getting back together.

I just think he no longer has a focus after he kills his master. He doesn't know what to do - which is why he asks Hawke what he should do. This is more than just "I was a slave and cannot make decisions for myself".  In my opinion, this is: "All I have known is hatred and now that all the objects of my hatred are dead, I don't know where to direct my focus".

After the Varania incident, Fenris seems to let go of the idea of finding out who he used to be. I think he finds closure after that, the will to let go of the past and the unkown, and focus more on the future. Especially when in a relationship with Hawke, he can find peace with who and what he is/was. Hawke loves him despite all that, and that alone will help Fenris greatly, I think.

Fenris never gets past his hatred for Mages - that is clear in Act III.  I romanced Fenris and he fought with me on behalf of the Mages, but that seemed too inconsistent with his overall character arc.  However, he will often betray to fight with Templars. 

I disagree with "he finds closure - lets go of the past".  I think he longs to know who he is but has given up pursuit since his sister either dies or is sent packing.  His efforts to discover who he is have stalled, but he still wants it.  How emotionally healthy could he be without a past? Moreover, we all know that Gaider hints that he could become unstable without lyrium maintenance.

[kemz19691]

AbsoluteApril wrote...
My Hawkes would both like to marry Fenris, he already wears the red ribbon and crest, I don't think he'd have a problem with a ring; however, they have no desire for children, perhaps because I don't but also perhaps because they realize their lifestyle wouldn't exactly be an ideal choice to start a family... Marian Mage Hawke is going to be on the run with him, possibly finding isolated quiet areas to stay for a while but would always be on the lookout (her being hunted instead of Fenris being hunted... I wonder how he would take to that life again?). Vivian Warrior Viscount Hawke, well it would appear based on Varric's tales that Hawke didn't remain viscount for long and left Kirkwall. Where did they go? Up to Tevinter to stoke the fires and fight the magisters or back to Ferelden to find peace and quite? I assume they would be North and pushing the fight against mages.

I honestly think Fenris and Hawke will grow bored of each other after a few years.

I think a female Hawke will eventually desire a family since she's lost everyone but her uncle (which she hates) and a cousin (she doesn't really know).  Hawke comes from a tight-knit family - it's something she's always had. 

A male Hawke will be drawn to other interests - women and men - who will excite him and "fire his loins".  Let's be honest here - Fenris is not big on intimacy.

Moreover, Hawke desires a different kind of life - maybe merchant, maybe politics -- but something other than war and violence. 

I think as Fenris "comes into his own" or realizes his own wants and dislikes as a free elf, he will desire other relationships.  I think Hawke was Fenris' bodyguard/protector. When Fenris feels safe, I think he will value their relationship less and less.

Modifié par kemz19691, 27 février 2012 - 11:27 .

[Dutchess]

That we don't hear Fenris say the words "I love you" in game doesn't mean he doesn't love Hawke. He has definitely falling in love with him/her. "Nothing can be worse than the thought of living without you." "I can't bear the thought of living without you." What's in those sentences is as deep and full of feeling and meaning as any "I love you".

It's pretty late here and I have to go to bed, so I will not address everything.

2. Fenris can fall for a mage Hawke. He admits not every mage is weak, but they have to prove themselves before he believes that. He also came to the conclusion Bethany was not weak. If his child would be a mage, he would not drop it on the floor.

5. He has been moody throughout the game because he struggles with so much. He is constantly afraid Danarius will come to capture him. You can't blame him that much for being moody because of that. It is unfortunate the game doesn't let you see much of him when that burden falls off his shoulders, when he is finally, truly free. I think that makes a lot of difference.

6. He doesn't know who he was prior to the ritual. He knows who he is now. He was just hoping to learn more of the person he used to be, because he believes that might have been someone better, something more than just a slave and a weapon. After Varania, he realizes there already is more to him than that, and he doesn't need to uncover his past per se to be able to love Hawke and be loved by him/her.

7. Wow. Just... wow. I think that is stretching things... He didn't kill the Fog Warriors because he lost his temper or something like that. He killed them because his Master returned and ordered him to do it. He felt there was no choice: the mentality of a slave. But after he had killed them, he realized what he had done and it pulled the switch in his head that he did not want to be a slave anymore. He has broken free of that mentality, otherwise he wouldn't have fought Danarius when he finally showed up again. Even if Danarius popped out of the grave to order Fenris to murder Hawke and his children, I don't believe he would ever do that.

[Tealsie]

kemz19691 wrote...


An argument over semantics: Fenris never says "I love you" as Anders did. How do you know he loves Hawke? If he confessed love, please tell me in which Act (if Fenris is romanced)?

He says it without saying it, y'know? It's in every way implied, to the point where it's actually pretty clearly spelled out, but he never actually says "those three little words". He loves Hawke completely(or, at least, he does if you get his friendhsip/rivalry over far enough to drag him to that scene in the gallows).
I'm not really catching any "hero worship" from him. He respects Hawke, but... yeahno.

Subject of kiddies: I think it's completely possible for Fenris to be a good parent, but certainly not any time soon. I think he has plenty still to work on before he's "kid-safe". But it's still possible.

Marriage: I don't see him really thinking about it or getting 'excited' about it, but if Hawke really wanted to, I don't see why he would be against it. It wouldn't really change anything, so it's not like it would be some great issue, and certainly not a negative thing.

[AbsoluteApril]

kemz19691 wrote...
I honestly think Fenris and Hawke will grow bored of each other after a few years.

I think a female Hawke will eventually desire a family since she's lost everyone but her uncle (which she hates) and a cousin (she doesn't really know).  Hawke comes from a tight-knit family - it's something she's always had. 

A male Hawke will be drawn to other interests - women and men - who will excite him and "fire his loins".  Let's be honest here - Fenris is not big on intimacy.

Moreover, Hawke desires a different kind of life - maybe merchant, maybe politics -- but something other than war and violence. 

I think as Fenris "comes into his own" or realizes his own wants and dislikes as a free elf, he will desire other relationships.  I think Hawke was Fenris' bodyguard/protector. When Fenris feels safe, I think he will value their relationship less and less.

I think Fenris would more than keep my Hawkes satisfied emotionally. (to me) Fenris seems incredibly deep. I believe he can be very intimate physically as well, those kisses seem full of passion. Once he forms that loving connection with Hawke and is able to accept that Hawke loves him, they would not 'grow bored'. Sure, Fenris doesn't say the words 'I love you' but he implies the deep connection and that he wants nothing more than to stay with Hawke "if there is a future to be had, I will gladly walk into it by your side" (or something like that, going from memory.) 

I also believe Fenris has amazing growth of character through the game and shows he is willing to look at his own beliefs and challenge them. If anything I think the relationship with Fenris would be one constantly evolving, exciting and full of deep emotion.

we obviously see Fenris in very different ways, so will have to agree to disagree.

My 2 femHawkes that romanced Fenris don't want family, it's already been torn from them and they don't want to lose anymore. Giviing into loving someone else (LI) is about all they can do at this point. My mage Hawke might be more likely to want kids in the future but as already stated their life on the run would prohibit that from being an option. My warrior Hawke is ready to take the war to the magisters, she loves action and would never be content being a merchant or 'housewife'. Again though, that is personal for each Hawke and I'm sure we all have different Hawkes.


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art below by lyractoga

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 27 février 2012 - 11:56 .

[CuriousArtemis]

To be honest, a lot of what kemz says in these last few posts are basically her own personal head canon for how she sees Fenris, how she sees (both male and female) Hawke, and how she sees her relationship.

The freedom of the game allows us to make these head canons and revel in them, which is great

Personally, my head canon is very different. My Hawke loves Fenris, and Fenris loves him back, heart and soul. My Hawke would never abandon Fenris because he had "fire in his loins" (omg lol) and Fenris didn't satisfy him sexually. Fenris DEFINITELY satisfies him sexually ... as well as emotionally, romantically, and spiritually.

So I won't comment any further on this particular issue because it's just clear that we have different ways of interpreting the characters and the story.

I think it is important to preface such statements with "In my opinion" or "According to my head canon" instead of making it sound like one's opinions about a character or characters are "fact."

For example, suggesting that only Merrill truly loves Hawke, and that Anders was only using Hawke (as an Anders fan, I find that a bit hurtful ... stupid to get hurt over a game, I know!)

So I'll leave it at that, and hope we start up a new Fenrisy conversation soon

[gingergen]

aldien wrote...

*spoiler*

Highly abbreviated MoTA marriage discussion based on FHawke. (have no idea about MHawke. Going to guess it is the same)

Tallis asks: Hawke are you married?

Depending on personality Hawke says: Why do you want to know?

Tallis: Just wondering if there is a husband behind the throne (something along those lines)

Fenris says: A fine question (with tons of insuation)

But the cutest part of the whole conversation was Hawke's reaction. It was the first time she felt human to me because she made this uncomfortable little noise...it reminded of Fenris's reaction when you flirt with him outside of the mansion the first time and he gives that nervous cough. It was that sweet. *goes gooey*

Dude. I didn't get that one. I ALSO missed (maybe because I was moving too quickly) the thing that he's supposed to say after you escape, about how worried he was. Not a peep out of him. I was starting to feel like he didn't really love Hawke after all! (woe.)

Edit to add: I don't think I flirted with Tallis. Clearly, this is where it all went wrong. I was thinking about what I'd read about Fenris' relationship being easy to mess up if you get involved with other characters, so flirting while he was standing right there seemed... rude? But apparently it isn't. Will know for next time.

Modifié par gingergen, 28 février 2012 - 01:13 .

[gingergen]

kemz19691 wrote...

An argument over semantics: Fenris never says "I love you" as Anders did. How do you know he loves Hawke? If he confessed love, please tell me in which Act (if Fenris is romanced)?

I believe Anders feels romantic love for Hawke (short-lived, of course) wheras Fenris has some kind of abiding affection born out of respect but short of love.

I think Hawke is unlike anyone Fenris has ever known - given that his memories are only of a slave's life post ritual.  I think Hawke must appear somewhat like a hero to Fenris - how he depends on Hawke to help him fight off slavers, magisters, former master. Almost like a Protector.  Fenris doesn't know how to make decisions for himself, which is why he looks to Hawke to problem-solve.

I think we should distinguish companions' feelings for Hawke.  To me, the greatest example of romantic love is with Merrill who falls in love with Hawke.  Anders, it could be argued, uses a relationship to manipulate Hawke; however, I believe he genuinely falls in love with her/him. 

I have spent some time flirting with similar ideas, actually. I think Fenris has a bit of hero-worship for Hawke that sort of gets in the way of regular love -- at least in the middle of the story. Maybe as he has more experience as a free person -- and spends more time with Hawke to see his/her warts! -- that might die off. But certainly in the middle of the timeline... even in a rivalry situation he looks to Hawke for instructions and approval. It doesn't feel like a relationship of equals at that point, because he doesn't remember who he was before slavery, and he hasn't figured out who he is yet. I feel like, he knows how to say NO, and he knows how to follow instructions, but he hasn't learned how to manage the give-and-take of friendship until Act 3. He admires Hawke, and says he's never met anyone like him/her -- it speaks of admiration and affection and maybe love but not necessarily romantic love. Affection + lust is not the same thing, and maybe that's partly why they have so much trouble?

I'm finding this to be something of a hurdle in my writing, actually, because I'm trying to figure out how to get him from that place to somewhere they can be equals enough to actually fall in "real" love. There are a lot of gaps to fill in the story as we see it, I think.

I agree with Moto, though, that this is my head canon, and other people's mileage may vary.

Modifié par gingergen, 28 février 2012 - 01:15 .

[CuriousArtemis]

gingergen wrote...

Edit to add: I don't think I flirted with Tallis. Clearly, this is where it all went wrong. I was thinking about what I'd read about Fenris' relationship being easy to mess up if you get involved with other characters, so flirting while he was standing right there seemed... rude? But apparently it isn't. Will know for next time.

Male and female Hawke will both get the one where Fenris admits he was worried about Hawke.  You don't need to flirt with Tallis either (ew lol).

Only female Hawke can get the marriage banter.

The "escape" banter was the only romance-specific Fenris banter I recall getting with my Hawke's <_< But maybe I'm forgetting something.  

Yeah, I hate flirting with Tallis.  It's sort of like flirting with Fenris.  My Hawke is DEDICATED to Fenris.  I let one of them flirt with Zevran just for science once lol 

Now for some reason, my two Hawke's who romanced Anders are wild flirts.  One even slept with Isabela.  Hmm xDDD

[Nejeli]

kemz19691 wrote...

I honestly think Fenris and Hawke will grow bored of each other after a few years.

I think a female Hawke will eventually desire a family since she's lost everyone but her uncle (which she hates) and a cousin (she doesn't really know).  Hawke comes from a tight-knit family - it's something she's always had. 

A male Hawke will be drawn to other interests - women and men - who will excite him and "fire his loins".  Let's be honest here - Fenris is not big on intimacy.

Moreover, Hawke desires a different kind of life - maybe merchant, maybe politics -- but something other than war and violence. 

I think as Fenris "comes into his own" or realizes his own wants and dislikes as a free elf, he will desire other relationships.  I think Hawke was Fenris' bodyguard/protector. When Fenris feels safe, I think he will value their relationship less and less.

Fenris is unfamiliar with intimacy, but given his tone and expression when talking about how 'free with their affections' the Fog Warriors were, I actually do think it's something he wants. He seemed kind of wistful there, imo.

As for Hawke staying satisfied with him or not, that entirely depends on how one roleplays their Hawke so I can't address that much. My male Hawke that romanced him knew what he was getting into and knew that it wouldn't/won't be easy. He's okay with that. He's also okay with the fact that there are probably going to be things that Fenris wil never be comfortable with. As long as Fenris doesn't try to run away again or put another three years distance between them, he doesn't mind taking things at Fenris' pace. He doesn't know what he wants to do after Kirkwall so maybe he'll end up as a merchant (definitely not a politician, though) but I didn't see anything to suggest that Fenris would be against a quiet life.

I never got the impression that Fenris ever saw Hawke as a bodyguard or protector. He needs help, occasionally, but he's quite capable of looking after himself. Of course, I've only friended him so far, so maybe rival path is different?

motomotogirl wrote...

Only female Hawke can get the marriage banter.

My male Hawke got the marriage banter, too. Instead of 'husband', Tallis asks if there was a woman behind the throne, or something along those lines.

~goes back to lurking~

[kemz19691]

[quote]motomotogirl wrote...

Well, my comment on children is, who ever IS ready to have children?  Who is the "model" parent? [/quote]
The pressures of providing -- how will he earn a living? He's a warrior.  Can you imagine Fenris handle "terrible two's? OMG.  Hawke could come home to find her baby's heart crushed.  Worse - what happens when they start smarting off or if they're disobedient? Fenris' only experience with disobedience is as a slave and we can ALL imagine what' What happens if a slave is disobedient? Probably something you wouldn't want done to your child.  What do you think Fenris would do if the children are screaming? If they are unreasonable (because they're children)?
[/quote]
Fenris probably does not consider himself the model lover.  But is he not a "good" lover to Hawke?  (What does that even mean?)  Hawke loves him, and he admits he loves him/her back.  (It also depends on how you play your Hawke and whether or not s/he would want children ... I think all of mine would.)  I think Fenris would have to be convinced that this is a good idea.  For a female Hawke, she would have to talk to him about it, and I do believe he would give in after awhile.  

For a male Hawke, I see him wanting to take in an urchin or two, and Fenris grumping about it, but growing attached to the kid after awhile, and finally loving him/her.

Fenris is not an animal; he is a elf human being!  Yes, he has had great trauma, but he is also capable of great love.  He's a good egg, deep down. [/quote]

***DISCLAIMER - SO PLEASE DO NOT HATE ME***

I kinda see Fenris like this:

"A feral organism is one that has changed from being domesticated to being wild or untamed." Example: A feral horse like the wild mustangs.

One of the numerous dictionary definitions of a "feral animal" states that a feral[/b]
animal is an animal which has escaped from a domestic or captive status
and is living more or less as a wild animal. Other definitions realize
the shortcomings of the first definition and simply say that a feral
animal is an animal which has changed from being domesticated to being
wild, natural, or untamed.

Fenris is feralized (period). In my opinion, he wouldn't want to be snared or bound by some lifetime obligation. That would sound like slavery.  For some people (women), it is slavery.  Why is there any objection to allowing Fenris the remainder of his life as a 'free man'??  Why must he belong to anyone?

[kemz19691]

aldien wrote...

Fenris hints at marriage in MoTA. He'd make an excellent parent; he knows he's not perfect.

I found his reaction/response to MotA question to Hawke "No husband behind the throne" or something - as gratuitous by the developers and not within his character. It was like a fantasy within a fantasy - catering to f!Hawke fans. I don't think this is a question if Hawke is male (I could be wrong).

I appreciate how Bioware leaves their relationship somewhat vague - only knowing they will "be together in the future". 

[kemz19691]

motomotogirl wrote...

Nope, M!Hawke does not get that banter. Just another faint instant of homophobia in DA2. Sigh. High point of contention for us M!Hawk x Fenris fans.

I knew it! I only play f!Hawke but I suspected it was only available for female Hawkes.

[Ghost_Nappa]

Yes both Hawke genders will get the marriage banter....but weirdly it only ever activates on my file after I flirt with ol impractical cleavage.

As for the headcanon issue..spot on moto on what you said and by gosh darn it if my hawke's wanna end up with Fenris in a halloween party dressed as the Tia and Prince of Maldonia from the frog princess then by gorge it will be so. (Beauty and the beast seems old hat to me)
Or...hmmmm wonder if I could see them just sleeping in on a sunday doing nothing but napping, eating, reading and cuddling?

[gingergen]

Nejeli wrote...

Fenris is unfamiliar with intimacy, but given his tone and expression when talking about how 'free with their affections' the Fog Warriors were, I actually do think it's something he wants. He seemed kind of wistful there, imo.

I got that from his tone too, that it was one of the things he admired about them. Then again, it was so far out of his realm of experience -- the ability to with someone because you chose, not through force or any mercenery motivation.

[kemz19691]

renjility wrote...

That we don't hear Fenris say the words "I love you" in game doesn't mean he doesn't love Hawke. He has definitely falling in love with him/her. "Nothing can be worse than the thought of living without you." "I can't bear the thought of living without you." What's in those sentences is as deep and full of feeling and meaning as any "I love you".

So touching!!! Tears nearly formed small pools in my eyes. I guess you're right.  That's about as close to "I love you" from Fenris as you're gonna get right now.

2. Fenris can fall for a mage Hawke. He admits not every mage is weak, but they have to prove themselves before he believes that. He also came to the conclusion Bethany was not weak. If his child would be a mage, he would not drop it on the floor.

LMAO -- The first thing I thought "Fenris dropped the mage baby to the ground!"

7. Wow. Just... wow. I think that is stretching things... He didn't kill the Fog Warriors because he lost his temper or something like that. He killed them because his Master returned and ordered him to do it. He felt there was no choice: the mentality of a slave. But after he had killed them, he realized what he had done and it pulled the switch in his head that he did not want to be a slave anymore. He has broken free of that mentality, otherwise he wouldn't have fought Danarius when he finally showed up again. Even if Danarius popped out of the grave to order Fenris to murder Hawke and his children, I don't believe he would ever do that.

He was ordered to kill the Fogwarriors by Danarius. For no reason other than Danarius ordered it.

[kemz19691]

Nejeli wrote...

My male Hawke got the marriage banter, too. Instead of 'husband', Tallis asks if there was a woman behind the throne, or something along those lines.

I'm curious to know Fenris' reaction to that.

[CuriousArtemis]

Nejeli wrote...

My male Hawke got the marriage banter, too. Instead of 'husband', Tallis asks if there was a woman behind the throne, or something along those lines.

Oh I been schooled!!!!!! 

Yeah, I looked it up on YT after seeing this and you're right.  I'm glad it never triggered for me though because Hawke's initial response to Tallis is pretty damned flirtatious (annoying ... please don't force my Hawke, who is in a COMMITTED RELATIONSHIP, to flirt if I don't make him flirt).

Fenris' response is the same.

[CuriousArtemis]

Ghost_Nappa wrote...

Yes both Hawke genders will get the marriage banter....but weirdly it only ever activates on my file after I flirt with ol impractical cleavage.

As for the headcanon issue..spot on moto on what you said and by gosh darn it if my hawke's wanna end up with Fenris in a halloween party dressed as the Tia and Prince of Maldonia from the frog princess then by gorge it will be so. (Beauty and the beast seems old hat to me)
Or...hmmmm wonder if I could see them just sleeping in on a sunday doing nothing but napping, eating, reading and cuddling?

Can you see Fenris trying to pull off a Prince Naveen?  He would just glare sullenly at everyone.  Hawke would be so annoyed with him LOL

"ol impractical cleavage" OMG I CRACKED UP!!!!!

As you can probably tell, I can't stand Tallis  Yes there's the cleavage, and then there's also the giant forehead.  And by giant, I mean GIANT.

[aldien]

I absolutely hated Tallis. I tried twice to get the romantic Fenris banter in MoTA without flirting with Ms. Impossible Cleavage(TM Ghost_Nappa) and it wouldn't trigger! You have to do one initial flirt to get it to work as far as I can tell.

Here I am, Act III Hawke, fully dedicated, been through hell and back with my Fenbear and I have to flirt with some s-l-u-t  that shows up on the scene to get him to whisper sweet nothings in my ear. Pissed me off!

Modifié par aldien, 28 février 2012 - 04:33 .

[Ghost_Nappa]

motomotogirl wrote...

Ghost_Nappa wrote...

Yes both Hawke genders will get the marriage banter....but weirdly it only ever activates on my file after I flirt with ol impractical cleavage.

As for the headcanon issue..spot on moto on what you said and by gosh darn it if my hawke's wanna end up with Fenris in a halloween party dressed as the Tia and Prince of Maldonia from the frog princess then by gorge it will be so. (Beauty and the beast seems old hat to me)
Or...hmmmm wonder if I could see them just sleeping in on a sunday doing nothing but napping, eating, reading and cuddling?

Can you see Fenris trying to pull off a Prince Naveen?  He would just glare sullenly at everyone.  Hawke would be so annoyed with him LOL

"ol impractical cleavage" OMG I CRACKED UP!!!!!

As you can probably tell, I can't stand Tallis  Yes there's the cleavage, and then there's also the giant forehead.  And by giant, I mean GIANT.

Hey he could pull a prince Naveen...after we bring in Danarius corpse for him to dance on. That I must have a thing for men of middle eastern, creole or scillian descent. But yeah I definately see em like that since mostly all my Hawkes are Tiana's.(minus randy newman's left foot right foot music writing)

Yes I called her that mostly due to....ehhhhh its something that Isabella would wear and Izzy has all her parts practically "armored". Also she's like the only elvaan female with a size C cup. How is that possible?! Forehead issues meh. Although I would like her eyes applied to some of the other elvan women. Other than that she badly brings up the negative tones to Mary Sue.

[AbsoluteApril]

lol @ "Ms. Impossible Cleavage"
http://absoluteapril...708104#/d4co24y

gingergen wrote...

Edit to add: I don't think I flirted with Tallis. Clearly, this is where it all went wrong. I was thinking about what I'd read about Fenris' relationship being easy to mess up if you get involved with other characters, so flirting while he was standing right there seemed... rude? But apparently it isn't. Will know for next time.

I usually pick the first heart option, it never came across as overly flirty to me but just rather a compliment.
Nice work - "Interesting entrance, you have some fine moves."
and then ignore the rest of the hearts.

from the wiki:

(If Hawke flirted with Tallis)

• Tallis: Are you married?
  
  • (If Hawke has a diplomatic/helpful personality) Is that a proposal?
  • (If Hawke has a humorous/charming personality) Performing a survey?
  • (If Hawke has an aggressive/direct personality) Why?
• Tallis: It's just you're the Champion of Kirkwall... Big. Important. I don't know.
  
• Tallis:
  
  • (To a male Hawke) Just wondering if there is a little woman behind your throne.
  • (To a female Hawke) Just... wondering if there is a husband behind the throne.

(If Hawke currently romances one of them and is present)

• Anders: Yes, who is behind your throne, Hawke?
  
• Isabela: Yes. That's a very good question, isn't it?
  
• Fenris: A fine question.
  
• Hawke: Let's keep moving.

(If Hawke romances Merrill)

• Merrill: Are there any thrones in your mansion, Hawke? All the chairs are so small.
  
• Hawke: Oh Merrill.

(If not)

• Hawke:
  
  
• (If Hawke has a humorous/charming personality) Not unless I stowed the body there.
  
• (If Hawke has an aggressive/direct personality) No.

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 28 février 2012 - 04:40 .

[Ghost_Nappa]

aldien wrote...

I absolutely hated Tallis. I tried twice to get the romantic Fenris banter in MoTA without flirting with Ms. Impossible Cleavage and it wouldn't trigger! You have to do one initial flirt to get it to work as far as I can tell.

Here I am, Act III Hawke, fully dedicated, been through hell and back with my Fenbear and I have to flirt with some s-l-u-t  that shows up on the scene to get him to whisper sweet nothings in my ear. Pissed me off!

Now now Ally she's not a ****...just someone who ran out of money to buy proper armor. I frankly didn't have a problem with her until during the wyvern hunt. before and after that I was on "I dont trust this thing" mode.....that and be thankful fenris didn't act like that.
That just add fuel to the haters who dont like him.