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[aldien]

just someone who ran out of money to buy proper armor.

ROFLMAO!!!

Fair 'nough, Ghost. I do love my Fenbear. I just didn't like the female elf who tried be more awesome than my Hawke (and had a continual wedgy up her bottom) and had the most ugly elven ears I've ever seen!!! (I'm not bitter)

Ya gotta ask: what does Hawke have that the rest of us mere mortals don't? Why doesn't any NPC go straight for Anders or Varric? Positioning might be difficult but I'd do Varric. He's awesome.

Modifié par aldien, 28 février 2012 - 04:49 .

[CuriousArtemis]

aldien wrote...

Ya gotta ask: what does Hawke have that the rest of us mere mortals don't? Why doesn't any NPC go straight for Anders or Varric? Positioning might be difficult but I'd do Varric. He's awesome.

Well Anders does complain about being propositioned in the Blooming Rose 

Isabela seems quite, ehem, interested in Varric's chest hair.

Otherwise, the reason everyone falls for our Hawke's is because they were painstakingly crafted and created to look like gods and goddesses by silly old biddies who spend way too much time gaming when they should be doing other things.

[Ghost_Nappa]

motomotogirl wrote...

aldien wrote...

Ya gotta ask: what does Hawke have that the rest of us mere mortals don't? Why doesn't any NPC go straight for Anders or Varric? Positioning might be difficult but I'd do Varric. He's awesome.

Well Anders does complain about being propositioned in the Blooming Rose 

Isabela seems quite, ehem, interested in Varric's chest hair.

Otherwise, the reason everyone falls for our Hawke's is because they were painstakingly crafted and created to look like gods and goddesses by silly old biddies who spend way too much time gaming when they should be doing other things.

Heh I might be the odd one out before I pas out asleep, but I like the idea of making my hawke an unfukible hag that only snares a guy whose turned on either by these big three:
Intelligence
Battle Prowess
Gut busting black humor.
Or it could be I like making average unfukible old hags...you tell me.

Also damn shame Fenris doesnt have body hair...imagine him with a chest to rival Varrics....Mmmmm combs.

[Arcane_Solona]

Boy, I haven't been here in a while! I noticed that there hasn't been a ToP post on this page, so allow me to remedy that:D:



He's the only Valentine I'll ever want:wub:

[Dutchess]

kemz19691 wrote...

I just think he no longer has a focus after he kills his master. He doesn't know what to do - which is why he asks Hawke what he should do. This is more than just "I was a slave and cannot make decisions for myself".  In my opinion, this is: "All I have known is hatred and now that all the objects of my hatred are dead, I don't know where to direct my focus".

I agree Fenris is a bit at a loss when he has finally killed Danarius. But given time, he can now build a new life. And note what he does when the objects of his hatred are dead: he goes to Hawke and finally admits his feelings for him/her. With part of his hatred gone, he can find the courage to love instead. 

I disagree with "he finds closure - lets go of the past".  I think he longs to know who he is but has given up pursuit since his sister either dies or is sent packing.  His efforts to discover who he is have stalled, but he still wants it.  How emotionally healthy could he be without a past? Moreover, we all know that Gaider hints that he could become unstable without lyrium maintenance.

I think what Gaider meant was that the lyrium could become unstable without Danarius "maintaining" it, not Fenris himself, or is that what you meant as well? How the markings becoming unstable will affect Fenris himself as a person is anyone's guess, though.

I honestly think Fenris and Hawke will grow bored of each other after a few years. 

I think a female Hawke will eventually desire a family since she's lost everyone but her uncle (which she hates) and a cousin (she doesn't really know).  Hawke comes from a tight-knit family - it's something she's always had.  

A male Hawke will be drawn to other interests - women and men - who will excite him and "fire his loins".  Let's be honest here - Fenris is not big on intimacy. 

Whether they will grow bored of each other is, fo course, up to your own imagination. But I doubt "fire in the loins" will be the reason for Hawke to get bored with Fenris. Fenris' kissing scenes, the wall slam and such, show he definitely has passion in him, and that he is not afraid to show his affection in an intimate way. That intimacy for Fenris can bring up other, more unpleasant memories and experiences is true, I'd say. But I also think he is willing to try to break through that. He doesn't want his life as a slave to control him. He wants to move on. "It was better than anything I could have dreamed." He can enjoy the love making with Hawke.

Moreover, Hawke desires a different kind of life - maybe merchant, maybe politics -- but something other than war and violence. 

I think as Fenris "comes into his own" or realizes his own wants and dislikes as a free elf, he will desire other relationships.  I think Hawke was Fenris' bodyguard/protector. When Fenris feels safe, I think he will value their relationship less and less.  

I actually Fenris will be glad Hawke no longer has to protect him wen it comes to Danarius and the slave hunters. He always felt he owed Hawke for helping him in the first place, and that resulted in Fenris not feeling worthy of Hawke as well (that's not the sole reason for Fenris feelings this way, but one of the reasons, I think). With Danarius dead, and the risk of recapture gone, he can finally feel more as Hawke's equal. In my eyes that will only increase the worth of the relationship.

Fenris is feralized (period). In my opinion, he wouldn't want to be snared or bound by some lifetime obligation. That would sound like slavery.  For some people (women), it is slavery.  Why is there any objection to allowing Fenris the remainder of his life as a 'free man'??  Why must he belong to anyone? 

Lol, you sound like Anders (anyone else wished you could hit Anders or at least give a more aggressive response to telling Hawke he should be with someone more open-minded?).  Actually, I interpret the first conversation you have with Fenris after recruiting him, as that he really wants a normal life. He longs for belonging somewhere, having a home. He never gives me the impression he wants to be an eternal free spirit once he has finally escaped. After Danarius' death, Fenris finally is a free man. More free than he has ever been. Being free from slavery means the chance to love someone and built a life with that person. You can't do that when you're a slave. I'd say that's the freedom Fenris wants. That he wanted to be free from slavery doesn't mean he wants to be free in every possible sense of the word. 
Marriage is not about owning someone. And why would Hawke be the one to own Fenris? You could also say Fenris owns Hawke then, but that's not what being marriage means (at least, that's how I see it). Marriage is the bonding of two equals. Unless Hawke will start bossing Fenris around, ordering him to cook, clean, do his/her toe nails, I don't think marriage will be even slightly similar to slavery, even to Fenris.


I find it interesting to see how different some people can view the very same character. Thank you for giving me another chance to think about this character (as if I hadn't done that enough, haha).



by 
Wolfs-Angel17  (sorry for the Anders lovers here, haha).

[aldien]

Ghost_Nappa wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

aldien wrote...

Ya gotta ask: what does Hawke have that the rest of us mere mortals don't? Why doesn't any NPC go straight for Anders or Varric? Positioning might be difficult but I'd do Varric. He's awesome.

Well Anders does complain about being propositioned in the Blooming Rose 

Isabela seems quite, ehem, interested in Varric's chest hair.

Otherwise, the reason everyone falls for our Hawke's is because they were painstakingly crafted and created to look like gods and goddesses by silly old biddies who spend way too much time gaming when they should be doing other things.

Heh I might be the odd one out before I pas out asleep, but I like the idea of making my hawke an unfukible hag that only snares a guy whose turned on either by these big three:
Intelligence
Battle Prowess
Gut busting black humor.
Or it could be I like making average unfukible old hags...you tell me.

Also damn shame Fenris doesnt have body hair...imagine him with a chest to rival Varrics....Mmmmm combs.

but I like the idea of making my hawke an unfukible hag

ROFL! There are some amazing settings for Hawke's face. I mean you can really get that unfukible hag look without much effort. 'Tis awesome. I wish there was a slider for body settings. I'd like to see my womanly Hawke slide into some of those leathers.


Remind me to send you a link to a story I found yesterday. LOL! It will apeal to your Varric side. Think: Hawke, Fenris, Anders and a wardrobe

MoTA related:

My final thoughts on marriage: I think Fenris would want to get married so he wouldn't be confused as Hawke's mannservant any longer!

At the Duke's party, I would have loved to have been able to introduce Fenris as my significant other just to see their faces. I was extremely annoyed that he was pushed to the side and called a mannservant, albeit funny, if I had been Hawke I would have drawn the line there. Fenris would be at my side or I wouldn't go in.

I suspect Fenris's interactions with the nobility would have been quite entertaining. Oh, and wonder what would have happened if someone had asked Fenris for the cheese tray or to get them another drink? That would have been more interesting than Tallis. Plus, you can't beat the six feet under comment.


Think his chest hair would have been the color of his eyebrows or turned white?  You and chest hair Ghost!

Love the pic Ren, though the first picture looks like Hawke has 'stache. There are Anders lovers here? Get out! j/k

Modifié par aldien, 28 février 2012 - 03:26 .

[Dutchess]

 Like Hawke has what?  What's 'stache? xD 
I found the man servant thing pretty funny, I have to admit. And indeed, seeing Fenris at the party would have been so much better than Tallis! Bah, I'm not a Tallis fan either. But my Hawke has flirted with her, and I didn't get the marriage dialogue. I was hoping to get that!

Lol, when Fenris is asked to get the cheese tray. Poor Fenris, hahaha. 

I don't want Fenris having Varric's chesthair... it's a bit too hairy. xD Ohh, but now I have to post this:



by Fishmas

Modifié par renjility, 28 février 2012 - 03:29 .

[aldien]

renjility wrote...

 Like Hawke has what?  What's 'stache? xD 
I found the man servant thing pretty funny, I have to admit. And indeed, seeing Fenris at the party would have been so much better than Tallis! Bah, I'm not a Tallis fan either. But my Hawke has flirted with her, and I didn't get the marriage dialogue. I was hoping to get that!

Lol, when Fenris is asked to get the cheese tray. Poor Fenris, hahaha. 

I don't want Fenris having Varric's chesthair... it's a bit too hairy. xD Ohh, but now I have to post this:



by Fishmas

Mornin' Ren.

Mustache. I don't know why I feel the need to
abbreviate it. It took me longer to find the apostrophe than it did to
write mustache.

I found Fenris's reaction to being called a mannservant extremely funny and adorable at the same time. LOL! It's always good to start out a quest with a nice solid Fenris growl.

There was a marriage dialogue for Tallis?

Poor Fenris? No. Poor guy who asked Fenris for the cheese tray. Wait... is that him on the ground with a hole in his chest?

ROFLMAO at picture! Fenris looks constipated. Oh wait till Ghost sees that. She'll probably just explode on the spot.

Do you know she told me off once for making fun of Varric's chest hair? She takes it very seriously. :P:P

Where's your story ghost? (no i really don't use the forum as my own personal  messaging system:P)

Modifié par aldien, 28 février 2012 - 03:42 .

[Dutchess]

 Afternoon aldien. 
Ah, mustache. I guessed it right the. Hadn't even noticed it on fem Hawke. The artist gave Fenris a mustache as well.

The marriage dialogue was discussed one page back. Tallis asks Hawke whether he/she is married. When your LI is in the party, they react as well. I didn't get it.  I did get Fenris' grumpy response to flirting with Tallis, though. Not that any of my characters ever would want to romance her... *shivers* 

[aldien]

renjility wrote...

 Afternoon aldien. 
Ah, mustache. I guessed it right the. Hadn't even noticed it on fem Hawke. The artist gave Fenris a mustache as well.

The marriage dialogue was discussed one page back. Tallis asks Hawke whether he/she is married. When your LI is in the party, they react as well. I didn't get it.  I did get Fenris' grumpy response to flirting with Tallis, though. Not that any of my characters ever would want to romance her... *shivers* 

Oh! Now I understand! I thought, hehehe, that you get the option to ask Tallis about marraige. Honestly, I need to drink my morning tea before engaging in conversation.

[gingergen]

aldien wrote...

Remind me to send you a link to a story I found yesterday. LOL! It will apeal to your Varric side. Think: Hawke, Fenris, Anders and a wardrobe

*cough* Linky for me too?

renjility  -- love that comic. One of many "wtf Anders?" moments. I wanted to like him, I did. But he makes it so difficult.

[aldien]

More than happy to oblige Gen! :)

I found this author the other night. I've read so much Fenris fanfiction that I've had to start going through the older stuff. But there are some excellent stories.

Hawke, Fenris, Anders and a wardrobe LOL!

White Blank Page by: LoquaciousQuark  rated T

www.fanfiction.net/s/7831716/1/White_Blank_Page


It's cute and sad at the same time.

P.S. my daughter has seen the emoticons if you are wondering why there are so many. She wants this one now: :sick::sick::sick:<3<3<3<3<3:wub::wub::alien::alien::devil::devil:

I feel incredibly silly now.

Modifié par aldien, 28 février 2012 - 05:45 .

[Harle Cerulean]

kemz19691 wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

kemz19691 wrote...

You would marry your Hawke to Fenris?  I know it sounds like a "duh-duh" question, but I'm curious: why marriage? My first round of infactuation with Fenris, I was matrimonial. Now, however, I realize that he's probably better off free to make choices or made to think he's free to make choices.

I know we've probably round-robin'd this to death, but: given that his lyrium could become unstable, would you want to be attempt family building with him? Just a question.

Uh, yeah.  If the option were available, of course my Hawke would marry Fenris.  Is this somehow controversial? LOL They are in love.  Er, I don't exactly see how Hawke proposing marriage equates Fenris giving up his freedom and ability to make choices.  

I can't really answer the second question as I don't self-project with Fenris.  But certainly my Hawke would start a family with him if they could ... of course that means they'd have to adopt  Daddy Fenris would be so cute!!

An argument over semantics: Fenris never says "I love you" as Anders did. How do you know he loves Hawke? If he confessed love, please tell me in which Act (if Fenris is romanced)?

I believe Anders feels romantic love for Hawke (short-lived, of course) wheras Fenris has some kind of abiding affection born out of respect but short of love.

I think Hawke is unlike anyone Fenris has ever known - given that his memories are only of a slave's life post ritual.  I think Hawke must appear somewhat like a hero to Fenris - how he depends on Hawke to help him fight off slavers, magisters, former master. Almost like a Protector.  Fenris doesn't know how to make decisions for himself, which is why he looks to Hawke to problem-solve.

I think we should distinguish companions' feelings for Hawke.  To me, the greatest example of romantic love is with Merrill who falls in love with Hawke.  Anders, it could be argued, uses a relationship to manipulate Hawke; however, I believe he genuinely falls in love with her/him. 

What the hell is so special about the words "I love you?"  Sure, Anders says them.  Anders also backstabs you, uses you, and tries to emotionally blackmail you.  The words "I love you," are not magic.  They do not indicate depth of feelings or devotion.  Who here hasn't heard "I love you," from someone who never meant a word of it?

Fenris doesn't ever say "I love you," no.  And why would he?  He has no idea how to apply the word to feelings.  He doesn't have a point of reference to shape what "love" entails.  He's never experienced the love of a family.  Love is just a word to him, meaningless.

But you know what Fenris does say?  Fenris says "I am yours."  Given Fenris' history, that means far more to him than any "I love you" could.  His actions and expressions make his feelings clear, even if he doesn't know the words to apply to them.  He would never say it casually.

Did you even finish a romance with him?

[CuriousArtemis]

*cough* Hey, man, there are Anders fans in this thread, too  I don't think Anders ever "backstabs" my Hawke or emotionally blackmails him.  I do think he loves him with all his heart.  

In my mind, Anders can't NOT blow up the Chantry.  He has to listen to Justice.  It's a little like trying to kick a craving (as in, crack cocaine, not chocolate).  The part of him that loves Hawke is desperate to keep Hawke safe, to keep him/her away from this terrible crime he's about to commit.  The Justice part of him will NOT ALLOW Hawke to stop what he feels absolutely needs to be done.

He's a complicated character, and I just think it's unfair to doubt his sincerity and love for Hawke.

Now as for Fenris, of course we agree 100%  I think it's bat-sh-t-crazy to assume Fenris doesn't love Hawke because he never said "I love you" in the game.  Everyone else has already given instances of Fenris declaring his love and devotion to Hawke via his excellently written and delivered dialogue, so I won't bother.

Anders is very child-like in his wonder of what's happening between him and Hawke; you can hear it in his voice when he says "I love you!" and admits how happy it makes him feel to say that.

That's just not Fenris' style.  Fenris is shy and reserved; he also doubts himself in a way that Anders doesn't.  Both men have traumatic pasts, but I feel it's more their personalities that shape how they handle love than just their pasts.

Modifié par motomotogirl, 28 février 2012 - 07:16 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Meant to edit and hit quote or reply or something :|

Modifié par motomotogirl, 28 février 2012 - 07:15 .

[aldien]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

kemz19691 wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

kemz19691 wrote...

You would marry your Hawke to Fenris?  I know it sounds like a "duh-duh" question, but I'm curious: why marriage? My first round of infactuation with Fenris, I was matrimonial. Now, however, I realize that he's probably better off free to make choices or made to think he's free to make choices.

I know we've probably round-robin'd this to death, but: given that his lyrium could become unstable, would you want to be attempt family building with him? Just a question.

Uh, yeah.  If the option were available, of course my Hawke would marry Fenris.  Is this somehow controversial? LOL They are in love.  Er, I don't exactly see how Hawke proposing marriage equates Fenris giving up his freedom and ability to make choices.  

I can't really answer the second question as I don't self-project with Fenris.  But certainly my Hawke would start a family with him if they could ... of course that means they'd have to adopt  Daddy Fenris would be so cute!!

An argument over semantics: Fenris never says "I love you" as Anders did. How do you know he loves Hawke? If he confessed love, please tell me in which Act (if Fenris is romanced)?

I believe Anders feels romantic love for Hawke (short-lived, of course) wheras Fenris has some kind of abiding affection born out of respect but short of love.

I think Hawke is unlike anyone Fenris has ever known - given that his memories are only of a slave's life post ritual.  I think Hawke must appear somewhat like a hero to Fenris - how he depends on Hawke to help him fight off slavers, magisters, former master. Almost like a Protector.  Fenris doesn't know how to make decisions for himself, which is why he looks to Hawke to problem-solve.

I think we should distinguish companions' feelings for Hawke.  To me, the greatest example of romantic love is with Merrill who falls in love with Hawke.  Anders, it could be argued, uses a relationship to manipulate Hawke; however, I believe he genuinely falls in love with her/him. 

What the hell is so special about the words "I love you?"  Sure, Anders says them.  Anders also backstabs you, uses you, and tries to emotionally blackmail you.  The words "I love you," are not magic.  They do not indicate depth of feelings or devotion.  Who here hasn't heard "I love you," from someone who never meant a word of it?

Fenris doesn't ever say "I love you," no.  And why would he?  He has no idea how to apply the word to feelings.  He doesn't have a point of reference to shape what "love" entails.  He's never experienced the love of a family.  Love is just a word to him, meaningless.

But you know what Fenris does say?  Fenris says "I am yours."  Given Fenris' history, that means far more to him than any "I love you" could.  His actions and expressions make his feelings clear, even if he doesn't know the words to apply to them.  He would never say it casually.

Did you even finish a romance with him?

Wanted to add to this. I tried to ignore it but now it's getting to me.

I know we've probably round-robin'd this to death, but: given that
his lyrium could become unstable, would you want to be attempt family
building with him? Just a question.


To me that is like asking if someone was terminally ill would you still want to be with them. The answer for me is yes. I'd rather have what time I could with the person I love, instead of just throwing it away because it's not a perfect situation. Hell, any of us could die tomorrow. Does that mean we should never get into an emotionally deep relationship? I... hmmmm biting tongue now.

About Fenris not saying I love you. I was wondering if maybe some things simply get lost in translation for Fenris? The language they use in Kirkwall (assuming it's English) is not the same they use in Tevinter (arcanum)The way Fenris's phrases questions and answers comes across, to me, very different than the rest of the companions. Maybe saying I love you is considered cheesy in Tevinter. I hope so.

Either way, when he says: If there is a future to be had I will gladly walk into it at your side... it's not I love you but it sounds much more heartfelt. And what about: Nothing could be worse than the thought of living with you. And: I am yours.

The guy has the best romanticaliscious lines in the whole game. They should be on a Hallmark card. Actually, no, it's too lovely for a card.

I think Hawke must appear somewhat like a hero to Fenris - how he
depends on Hawke to help him fight off slavers, magisters, former
master. Almost like a Protector.  Fenris doesn't know how to make
decisions for himself, which is why he looks to Hawke to problem-solve.

Whaaaa? Fenris has been fighting off slavers for three years and eluding his master long before Hawke came on the scene.

Hawke a hero to Fenris? With all due respect I don't see it. I don't Fenris idolizes anyone. If anything, Fenris comes across as reluctantly accepting help. Don't forget Fenris was willing to die to kill Danarius in the first mission with Hawke's help or not. He stays alone without protection in the mansion ready to fight Danarius if he comes back.

I disagree. Fenris has made lots of tough decisions. The decision not be a slave, to stay in Kirkwall, to stop running etc... I think you are selling Fenris short. He stays with Hawke because he owes a debt. If you ask me, Fenris is the toughest fighter in the group. He's quite capable.

Modifié par aldien, 28 février 2012 - 07:37 .

[Dutchess]

aldien wrote...
Nothing could be worse than the thought of living with you.

ROFL. Fenris must not like your Hawkes. xD Haha, sorry.

[CuriousArtemis]

renjility wrote...

aldien wrote...
Nothing could be worse than the thought of living with you.

ROFL. Fenris must not like your Hawkes. xD Haha, sorry.

Oh good catch 

[aldien]

ROFL! Ahhh we were do some comic relief.

[Ghost_Nappa]

Wow 2 days in a row I can reply...

yes you two can make fun of me for my love of chesthair and beard/stache frenzy. But I's cant help it, its so Manly and sexy...plus everyman Ive made friends with with beardtastic faces or chesthair were the coolest sweetest and nerdiest guys I know...its how I landed my husband.

Now add that to fenris (I died from the comic laughing) with half the magnificance of Varric...

Modifié par Ghost_Nappa, 28 février 2012 - 08:44 .

[aldien]

Ghost_Nappa wrote...

Wow 2 days in a row I can reply...

yes you two can make fun of me for my love of chesthair and beard/stache frenzy. But I's cant help it, its so Manly and sexy...plus everyman Ive made friends with with beardtastic faces or chesthair were the coolest sweetest guys I know...its how I landed my husband.

Now add that to fenris (I died from the comic laughing) with half the magnificance of Varric...

Ghost! My lurvely snookie lumps of artistic virtue.

I once found a hairy man attractive. Actually, two. That's not helping is it? I just can't find chest hair attractive. I don't know what it is about it. It's hairy and on the chest.

I have nothing against hairy manly goodness as long as I don't have to touch it.

You can't put that on Fenris. It will cover up his tatts, plus, since he has a small frame, it would look more like a shrubbery than chest hair. I'd want to make a topiary out of it or something.

Bring me a shrubbery!

Modifié par aldien, 28 février 2012 - 08:23 .

[Ghost_Nappa]

Alright, in exchange for no shrubbery landscaping...I'll accept a fantastic mustasche on his face for my hawke, who will then be given a ride on it later on. bicker about why it isnt silky smooth anymore.

Modifié par Ghost_Nappa, 28 février 2012 - 09:11 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Ghost_Nappa wrote...

Alright, in exchange for no shrubbery landscaping...I'll accept a fantastic mustasche on his face for my hawke, who will then be given a ride on it later on.

Ewwww   Hey if we can't show nude pics of folks in this thread I vote we not write such, erm, explicit stuff >.< xD

Who do you guys think has a hairy chest in the game?  I like a guy with a bit of hair ... my Hawke's always have some scruff but nothing more.  I really dislike how utterly hairless all the shirtless guys are.  I think Anders has some faint reddish blonde hairs on his chest.  

I like to think Cullen has some curly light blond hairs to run one's fingers through 

Donnic ... that man's got a hairy chest.  I dunno why; I just feel he does xD

[Harle Cerulean]

Haha, I really don't see how anyone can argue that Anders DOESN'T use Hawke, honestly. It's not all he's doing, certainly! I'm sure he really does care for Hawke, and I never said he didn't. It's pretty obvious that he's carrying feelings for Hawke even when you don't romance him. But he also definitely uses Hawke - getting Hawke to gather the materials for his explosion while lying about their purpose is using Hawke and Hawke's friendship/affection. As for emotional blackmail, that is exactly what "If you REALLY were my friend/REALLY loved me, you'd..." is, and that's what he tries to do if you don't immediately agree to his fishy request for you to distract Elthina for him. So I'm really not sure how that's arguable? I suppose if you headcanon that Hawke knew exactly what Anders was up to and went along with it anyways, it's closer, but all the same, Anders is trying to deceive you; you can't tell him you know what's up, so he thinks he's fooling you.

I'm not really a body hair person. One reason I like elves, I guess. I don't mind it in armpits/groin/arms/legs, and a light 'happy trail' and sparse chest hair is tolerable, but I really prefer a smooth chest. And facial hair is right out. It took me forever to warm up to bearded default male Hawke in fanfic and art. XD So I'm perfectly happy to imagine Fenris without hair, and am fine with hairless Hawke.

[CuriousArtemis]

Ah well, we agree to disagree on Anders

I agree that default bearded male Hawke is a bit ... unattractive? xD I have to say I'm more of a scruff woman than full on facial hair.

But when it comes to elves, I'm with you. I DON'T like it when they have facial hair (Skyrim??) or when they LOOK like they might (Fenris... AGHGHGGHGH I can't let this go). It just seems ... wrong, you know?