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[AbsoluteApril]

Ok so selling Fenris back to Danarius, I watched the youtube (don't think I'd ever do it in game..)
Danarius "And this is your new mistress then, the Champion of Kirkwall. Quite lovely"
Hawke - Take him "If you want him, he's yours."
Fenris "What?!" (surprised look of betrayal)
Anders "I thought I was the only one thinking that" (smug half smile)

ok I'm gonna go cry in a corner now to wash the filth from my eyes

**

Arcane_Solona wrote...

AbsoluteApril wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...
David Gaider wrote him, after all, and we know what he's like. XD If he can pack tragedy and betrayal in, it'll be there in spades.

(side note - it struck me the other day on my recent DAO PT how both Alistair and Fenris have quests involving a 'lost' sister)

Hey! Yeahh! That never ocurred to me! And they're both redheads and they both turned out to be...well... not the best personalities. Funny coincedence indeed.

yes, exactly! evil redhead sisters that are only out for themselves! I wonder if David has a red-haired sister he isn't too fond of? hah!

aldien wrote...
Yes, he sells Hawke into servitude to clear his debts.

well, isn't more about selling Hawke into servitude/temp job to pay the bribe to allow Hawke's family (plus Aveline) into Kirkwall? Does it actually clear up Gamlin's (gamblin') debts as well?

EDIT - ack TOP okay let's wrap up this post on a happier note

by fendersFAN

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 01 mars 2012 - 12:50 .

[Reinara]

kemz19691 wrote...

aldien wrote...

Of all the things in the game that tried to portray how bad slavery was and why it's wrong, THIS should have been the one thing that really drove the point home. But it wasn't. Here have him Danarius. Thank you. Okay, now I am a really evil character. Yay me. It just gets to me that you can actually participate in slave trading! Ah! It's a bad example to set.

Maybe instead of losing your companions you lose the respect of the city. Something more than getting 3 sovereigns, -10 popularity with companions, and a note from Danarius telling you he is now going to wipe Fenris's memory. Uggggg.... even after reading some very good arguments I still can't be convinced it was handled properly. I'll just agree to disagree.

To play the game, you have to choose a career in crime, either as a smuggler (which may mean you will need to recover slaves) or as an assassin. Hawke really isn't a good person, so it wouldn't be beneath her/him to do such a thing?

It's stated in the smuggler's side that Athenril doesn't deal in slavery, she tells you that much when you have the option of choosing to join her in the beginning.

[aldien]

AbsoluteApril wrote...

Ok so selling Fenris back to Danarius, I watched the youtube (don't think I'd ever do it in game..)
Danarius "And this is your new mistress then, the Champion of Kirkwall. Quite lovely"
Hawke - Take him "If you want him, he's yours."
Fenris "What?!" (surprised look of betrayal)
Anders "I thought I was the only one thinking that" (smug half smile)

ok I'm gonna go cry in a corner now to wash the filth from my eyes

**

Arcane_Solona wrote...

AbsoluteApril wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...
David Gaider wrote him, after all, and we know what he's like. XD If he can pack tragedy and betrayal in, it'll be there in spades.

(side note - it struck me the other day on my recent DAO PT how both Alistair and Fenris have quests involving a 'lost' sister)

Hey! Yeahh! That never ocurred to me! And they're both redheads and they both turned out to be...well... not the best personalities. Funny coincedence indeed.

yes, exactly! evil redhead sisters that are only out for themselves! I wonder if David has a red-haired sister he isn't too fond of? hah!

aldien wrote...
Yes, he sells Hawke into servitude to clear his debts.

well, isn't more about selling Hawke into servitude/temp job to pay the bribe to allow Hawke's family (plus Aveline) into Kirkwall? Does it actually clear up Gamlin's (gamblin') debts as well?

EDIT - ack TOP okay let's wrap up this post on a happier note

by fendersFAN

Ahhhh! Why did you do that to yourself? *hugs*

I'll come back to Anders later when I don't want to kill him. I know, Moto, I can't see him saying it either. But... ugggg I never knew the actual conversation that took place until now.

well, isn't more about selling Hawke into servitude/temp job to pay the
bribe to allow Hawke's family (plus Aveline) into Kirkwall? Does it
actually clear up Gamlin's (gamblin') debts as well?


Oh good point! I always went with Athenril. I have a thing for elves... what can I say? Anyway, I think she says something about Gamlen owing her that they aren't partners etc... so once you work for her for a year his debt is cleared. So,  I think (and don't hold me to this) that the bribe and the debt is paid. Can anyone clarify? I can go check instead of being lazy.

ROFL! at Anders and Fen. Sometimes, I swear they were siblings in another life. I can't see them as lovers, but as siblings like Carver and Hawke.

[gingergen]

AbsoluteApril wrote...


EDIT - ack TOP okay let's wrap up this post on a happier note

by fendersFAN

IT IS SO TRUE.

Also, no, I don't think it cleared ALL Gamlen's debts to put the Hawke siblings to service -- just his debts to whichever of them got the service. That means he still owes whoever you didn't choose (plus whoever else he probably owes, because you know there are others).

[aldien]

gingergen wrote...

AbsoluteApril wrote...

Even though I morally object to slavery, it is part of the culture of Thedas and part of the story and I believe should be in he game. I didn't feel it was trivialized, beyond the paultry sum you receive from Danarius, which I would take more as showing what an arse his character is, if many slaves are 'worth' 100 soverigns a piece, then Fenris would be above the average. Does that make sense?

We do get to kill quite a few slavers in the game

I agree with this.

I also thing kemz19691 had a good point here:

When you enter Kirkwall and realize you'll have to choose between smuggling and murder to provide for your family, you soon realize morality will not be a companion character in this game.

Kirkwall is a pretty awful place. Even if you're playing a good/diplomatic character, you have to make unpleasant choices. Really, the main conflict of the game is based around an unpleasant choice, between mages and the chantry/templars. NEITHER side is right, in my opinion -- what they need to do is attempt to work together and compromise, but the situation is too far gone to make that happen.

dangereusegirl - I liked your observations on the Fenris in the future question.

Aldien - thanks for the link! off to read now!

Gamlen is uggggggg.

Uggggg is the word for today apparently.

I don't if you got a chance to read. What did you think of the story?

Modifié par aldien, 01 mars 2012 - 01:12 .

[kemz19691]

aldien wrote...

kemz19691 wrote...

aldien wrote...

In my opinion, Hawke is niether good or bad in the beginning. She/he is a person thrown into the deep end without much choice. But we are not dealing with powerful corrupt people at the start. It's just small time. Athenril even states later that she is smuggling things like silk etc... nothing extreme.

We know Gamlen gets a number of threats by letter if he doesn't pay up his debts. I think he requires sells Hawke and her sibling into servitude becuase he OWES so much money.  And then he's often found in the Blooming Rose? And he asks Leandra to give him money for food and stuff?

Gamlen's an insolent jerk, no question. I think Hawke was forced to work in the criminal underground to save his **s.

But.... how does any of that = recovering slaves? Sure, Gamlen gets threats because he owes money. Yes, he sells Hawke into servitude to clear his debts. It still has nothing to do with slaves or whether Hawke is a good person or bad. Honestly, the fact Hawke is willing to lower himself/herself to this level shows that they are considerate of others. They want to help their family and they help Gamlen, though he doesn't deserve it.

It is all small time criminal activity in my opinion. I can't see slaves in this scenario nor can I see it a defining factor when it comes to whether Hawke is bad or good. 

With all the slavers crawling around the area, it's hard to believe recovering slaves never comes up as a 'job' for the Kirkwall Smuggler. After 1 year, Hawke is working for herself/himself trying to raise coin to go into deep roads - so, she/he will probably come across an opportunity to capture a slave or to smuggle people.

Even today, human smuggling is in syndication around the world. I'm not saying Hawke would 'take such a job', but she/he will definitely be offered this kind of work.

[gingergen]

aldien wrote...

When an elf and a human mate in the DA world, the child is born human.

I feel like that came from somewhere, but I don't remember if they said something like that in Origins or if it's from another fandom. At any rate, Feynriel doesn't look either human or elvish -- he looks bi-racial to me.
And given the grief that bi-racial folks get in this country (I'm in the US) which is supposed to be a "melting pot" I can only imagine how hard it would be to be a half-elf/half-human in Thedas. Not good times.

[kemz19691]

Reinara wrote...

kemz19691 wrote...

aldien wrote...

Of all the things in the game that tried to portray how bad slavery was and why it's wrong, THIS should have been the one thing that really drove the point home. But it wasn't. Here have him Danarius. Thank you. Okay, now I am a really evil character. Yay me. It just gets to me that you can actually participate in slave trading! Ah! It's a bad example to set.

Maybe instead of losing your companions you lose the respect of the city. Something more than getting 3 sovereigns, -10 popularity with companions, and a note from Danarius telling you he is now going to wipe Fenris's memory. Uggggg.... even after reading some very good arguments I still can't be convinced it was handled properly. I'll just agree to disagree.

To play the game, you have to choose a career in crime, either as a smuggler (which may mean you will need to recover slaves) or as an assassin. Hawke really isn't a good person, so it wouldn't be beneath her/him to do such a thing?

It's stated in the smuggler's side that Athenril doesn't deal in slavery, she tells you that much when you have the option of choosing to join her in the beginning.

Okay, yes. But remember Hawke leaves Athenril's employment after 1 year and is working for herself/himself. My point is - that kind of "work" will come up - I didn't say Hawke would do it but this is something that she/he may choose as a sole practitioner.

[Reinara]

kemz19691 wrote...

Okay, yes. But remember Hawke leaves Athenril's employment after 1 year and is working for herself/himself. My point is - that kind of "work" will come up - I didn't say Hawke would do it but this is something that she/he may choose as a sole practitioner.

I'm not sure what you mean by that, but I'm pretty sure there are no hints/suggestions that would imply that Hawke continues smuggling after s/he works for Athenril, let alone traffiking people so I'm curious where you're getting this impression. 

also @gingergen, the "children of elves and humans are always born human" thing is from the Calling novel by David Gaider.

and @aldien haha I can't see Fenris and Anders as siblings like Carver and Hawke. The difference between them is that while Carver can be a giant douche to Hawke, he does cares for him/her. While Anders... well, I think it's painfully obvious that there's no lost love between those two |D;

[aldien]

Reinara wrote...

kemz19691 wrote...

Okay, yes. But remember Hawke leaves Athenril's employment after 1 year and is working for herself/himself. My point is - that kind of "work" will come up - I didn't say Hawke would do it but this is something that she/he may choose as a sole practitioner.

I'm not sure what you mean by that, but I'm pretty sure there are no hints/suggestions that would imply that Hawke continues smuggling after s/he works for Athenril, let alone traffiking people so I'm curious where you're getting this impression. 

also @gingergen, the "children of elves and humans are always born human" thing is from the Calling novel by David Gaider.

and @aldien haha I can't see Fenris and Anders as siblings like Carver and Hawke. The difference between them is that while Carver can be a giant douche to Hawke, he does cares for him/her. While Anders... well, I think it's painfully obvious that there's no lost love between those two |D;

Very good point. I concede.

I always liked Carver much better than Anders. I don't hate Anders, but there is little I find appealing about him, whereas Carver is the perfect little brother. :happy:

[aldien]

gingergen wrote...

aldien wrote...

When an elf and a human mate in the DA world, the child is born human.

I feel like that came from somewhere, but I don't remember if they said something like that in Origins or if it's from another fandom. At any rate, Feynriel doesn't look either human or elvish -- he looks bi-racial to me.
And given the grief that bi-racial folks get in this country (I'm in the US) which is supposed to be a "melting pot" I can only imagine how hard it would be to be a half-elf/half-human in Thedas. Not good times.

Keep in mind that Hawke has dealt with prejudice his/her entire life by having an apostate father and Hawke could already be from a biracial mix or even multiracial. That is mostly up to the player to decide when they create Hawke. Danarius is biracial or at least comes from a somewhat mixed background. Yeah, he's creepy but I guarantee you no one is giving him grief. But he's a bad example really. But he is successful in his own "special" way.

So, should Fenris and Hawke let society dicatate their lives? Hawke already defies the norm anyway. Peasant turned noble turned champion. Fenris and Hawke could make any children they have proud of who and what they are. I just don't see them giving in to fear in any form. Actually, I don't see them caring what anyone else thinks and I believe they would instill that confidence into their children.

*shrugs* my crazy opinion.

[Ghost_Nappa]

aldien wrote...

gingergen wrote...

aldien wrote...

When an elf and a human mate in the DA world, the child is born human.

I feel like that came from somewhere, but I don't remember if they said something like that in Origins or if it's from another fandom. At any rate, Feynriel doesn't look either human or elvish -- he looks bi-racial to me.
And given the grief that bi-racial folks get in this country (I'm in the US) which is supposed to be a "melting pot" I can only imagine how hard it would be to be a half-elf/half-human in Thedas. Not good times.

Keep in mind that Hawke has dealt with prejudice his/her entire life by having an apostate father and Hawke could already be from a biracial mix or even multiracial. That is mostly up to the player to decide when they create Hawke. Danarius is biracial or at least comes from a somewhat mixed background. Yeah, he's creepy but I guarantee you no one is giving him grief. But he's a bad example really. But he is successful in his own "special" way.

So, should Fenris and Hawke let society dicatate their lives? Hawke already defies the norm anyway. Peasant turned noble turned champion. Fenris and Hawke could make any children they have proud of who and what they are. I just don't see them giving in to fear in any form. Actually, I don't see them caring what anyone else thinks and I believe they would instill that confidence into their children.

*shrugs* my crazy opinion.

Granted saaid talk of children really depends on how each hawke is played by a individual player...oh hell we're just gonna come back full circle to whether or not Fenris has any strong swimmers....he's a sure shot sniper. He can critical hit on the first try without a reroll or if Hawke as any flour to make some buns in the ovens.

[Arcane_Solona]

aldien wrote...

Arcane_Solona wrote...

AbsoluteApril wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...
David Gaider wrote him, after all, and we know what he's like. XD If he can pack tragedy and betrayal in, it'll be there in spades.

(side note - it struck me the other day on my recent DAO PT how both Alistair and Fenris have quests involving a 'lost' sister)

Hey! Yeahh! That never ocurred to me! And they're both redheads and they both turned out to be...well... not the best personalities. Funny coincedence indeed.

EDIT: Ooops. Realised that this post is so out of place on this page. Don't mind me... I'm just an ex-regular poster trying to catch up.

I remember you from way back when!

LOL! Nothing is out of place on this page. It's all insanity.

Hah! Good to know;)

[CuriousArtemis]

aldien wrote...

 I always liked Carver much better than Anders. I don't hate Anders, but there is little I find appealing about him, whereas Carver is the perfect little brother. :happy:

Ohh ... Carver lover!  Personally I can't stand the little guy  I played a mage Hawke who got Carver at almost 100% friendship, but I just wanted to smack that guy (Sebastian Hawke).  He was so boring I stopped playing him and started a new Hawke lol

I have a Hawke who's at 100% rivalry with Carver and always uses the mean responses to him.  I loves it 

You guys know I love Anders, but I definitely don't see him and Fenris as having a "brotherly" relationship.  Honestly, Anders is the boy who had a crush on Hawke but Hawke chose someone else.  So Anders is always going to be a bit huffy about Fenris.  At least in MOTA I got the sense that they more gently tolerate one another than hate each other.  And Fenris does tell Sebastian that he refuses to turn in Anders or Merrill.  (One of the reasons I hate Sebastian; such a self-righteous little turd, that one.)  

I'm not a Fenders fan, but I really do love them both, and I think if BW hadn't rushed things and spent a little more time on character development, I could see them genuinely learning to tolerate one another, especially since they both care for Hawke.  

[Harle Cerulean]

I don't, since Fenris believes that mages, if freed, will create a new Tevinter; he also abhors Anders for being weak and allowing a spirit into his body. Funny how the only thing Fenris and Merrill can agree on is how bad an idea that was, and the only think Anders and Fenris can agree on is how bad an idea Merrill's blood magic is . . . XD

Meanwhile, Anders hates Fenris not because he's "huffy" over Hawke; he hates Fenris even when Hawke chooses him. Anders hates Fenris because Fenris is anti-mage-freedom, and he thinks that Fenris, having been a slave, should support mage freedom. He doesn't realize that when Fenris looks at the Circles, he sees both a completely different system from what he suffered under - the Circles are nothing like Tevinter slavery! -, and an unfortunate necessity.

Oh, right, forgot where I was going with that . . . anyways, Fenris is never going to accept an abomination, as he regards Anders, as someone he trusts/gets along with.  He tolerates his presence for Hawke's sake, but no more.  And Anders is never going to get along with Fenris, because he's always going to be pushing for "But don't you want mage freedom now?  No?  How about now?  DAMN YOU, WHY NOT?  YOU PREJUDICED [explitive]."

So, yeah.  Sorry, no, they won't get along.

Modifié par Harle Cerulean, 01 mars 2012 - 06:06 .

[gingergen]

Reinara wrote...

also @gingergen, the "children of elves and humans are always born human" thing is from the Calling novel by David Gaider.

Thank you! I knew I'd heard people say it, but I haven't read any of the novels.
I still think F. doesn't look fully "human" though.

Aldien said
Keep in mind that Hawke has dealt with prejudice his/her entire life by
having an apostate father and Hawke could already be from a biracial mix
or even multiracial. That is mostly up to the player to decide when
they create Hawke. Danarius is biracial or at least comes from a
somewhat mixed background. Yeah, he's creepy but I guarantee you no one
is giving him grief. But he's a bad example really. But he is successful
in his own "special" way.

So, should Fenris and Hawke let
society dicatate their lives? Hawke already defies the norm anyway.
Peasant turned noble turned champion. Fenris and Hawke could make any
children they have proud of who and what they are. I just don't see them
giving in to fear in any form. Actually, I don't see them caring what
anyone else thinks and I believe they would instill that confidence into
their children.

*shrugs* my crazy opinion.

And I love you for it. It's totally true about Hawke having dealt with prejudice her whole life, being the child of an apostate (or being an apostate her/himself). I don't know that Hawke would be as concerned about it as Fenris might be, actually. My point is only that it isn't necessarily a decision they would make lightly.
But Hawke in my head canon isn't hankering for kids, and that may color my take on the subject.

Modifié par gingergen, 01 mars 2012 - 06:16 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Geeeesh, does everything in this thread have to turn into an argument?  *rubs face*

Okay I will keep my thoughts and speculations to myself; I don't want to upset people, even though I do try to say it's how "I feel" or how I "imagine" such things.  I try not to make declarative statements when discussing head canon thoughts.  It just doesn't generate discussion very well.  Oh well.

[gingergen]

*hugs Moto*
It's a hard line to walk, isn't it? If we didn't have differing ideas there wouldn't be any conversation and the thread would die, but it's not fun to be fighting all the time either.

[Dutchess]

Fighting? People are just giving their opinion and disagree respectfully. I see no true heated arguments or the slightest hostility here.


To clarify: yes, Gamlen uses Hawke to get his debt with either Meeran or Athenril cleared. You can ask them how they know Gamlen, and they will both say Gamlen messed something up and that owes them. When Hawke does his job well, Gamlen's debt will be gone. By the way, Hawke's reason for joining up with Meeran or Athenril is certainly not to help Uncle Gamlen out. Hawke does it to get his/her family into the city. It makes Hawke a criminal, but not a bad person. Unfortunately, Hawke just doesn't have much choice. Hawke is always morally grey, as is the rest of the party. No matter how you play Hawke, he/she and her party are killers, and they kill a lot of people along the way.

I have to admit I have never been able to see something special about Feynriel. People keep talking about his ears, but I just see human ears. There must be something wrong with my eyes. xD


Hawke doesn't seem to care much what other people think of him/her. I doubt public opinion would be a reason not to take children. Fenris is also not someone who desperately wants to be liked by people and who would change himself just to appeal to the nobles or something. So I think neither will give a damn about what other people think about them, and their children.



by Wolfs-Angel17

[Arquen]

Hawke needs money to bribe guards to get into Kirkwall... "were gonna need more grease..." is Gamlen's exact words. Since Gamlen squandered the estate and all the money they have no way of getting into the locked city without making money and doing favors. Athenril and Meeran can get you in, but you have to work for them.. it really is not about Gamlen at all. His debt might be forgiven because they get free help for a year, but they DO get you into Kirkwall. It is indentured servitude as Leandra says. Not slavery. And there is a payoff and freedom there to choose your path.

Back to Fenris... I'm pretty firm in the camp of no children and no marriage. The Chantry doesn't smile on elf/human relationships, and in Thedas the Chantry is the only institution of marriage. Of course wedding and marriage and being committed to each other are different things. I don't see Fenris ever being ready to be a father. I don't see Hawke or Fenris giving a flying fig about weddings or marriage. Still, all this is a personal thing in the end.

The fact that elf/human children are born human is controversial at best because of Feynriel and his not so human looks. Still, it doesn't seem any truly elven looking children are born of elf/human either. As Feynriel's mother says -- he is scorned by both Dalish and human as an outcast. Either way I doubt Fenris/ Hawke would give a rats arse about political and societal implications. Especially not an apostate Hawke and especially not Fenris who was never welcomed in any society.

Also.. phone posting sucks :/

[Arquen]

Oh I should add that this is the Fenris thread and we are argumentative, rabid fangirls who eat all fresh meat... at least that seems to be the rep. Lmao.

Honestly I find discussions and varying viewpoints interesting. I just don't have much time as of late, and I find myself going "not this again.." a lot. I'm trying okay.

Also, headcanon is great and all, but I like to see evidences and canon references to base and back theory on. *shrug*

[Dutchess]

I know it's still about getting into the city. But at the same time Gamlen more or less uses Hawke to clear one of his debts. That's what I meant.

[Arquen]

As for the long lost sister thing... I know I've posted it before, but now seems a good time to bring this back...


by nightlyre on DA

heh... it's like a DG signature... long lost sisters...

[aldien]

I always had this theory that Feynriel was a dev's joke aimed at Legolas from LOTR. He has blonde hair, slightly pointed ears (like Tolkien elves), high cheekbones, and if you go help rescue that girl, Orlanna she sounds like a fangirl. Plus, I couldn't help noticing her name is Orlanna reminiscent of Orlando. *shrugs* When I saw Feynriel for the first time Legolas (Orlando Bloom) was the first thing to pop into my head.

No I am not an Orlando Bloom lover. Let's just nip that one in the bud before Ghost makes fun of me.

I thought I'd just add that useless piece of info to my pile of useless pieces of info.

[aldien]

motomotogirl wrote...

aldien wrote...

 I always liked Carver much better than Anders. I don't hate Anders, but there is little I find appealing about him, whereas Carver is the perfect little brother. :happy:

Ohh ... Carver lover!  Personally I can't stand the little guy  I played a mage Hawke who got Carver at almost 100% friendship, but I just wanted to smack that guy (Sebastian Hawke).  He was so boring I stopped playing him and started a new Hawke lol

I have a Hawke who's at 100% rivalry with Carver and always uses the mean responses to him.  I loves it 

You guys know I love Anders, but I definitely don't see him and Fenris as having a "brotherly" relationship.  Honestly, Anders is the boy who had a crush on Hawke but Hawke chose someone else.  So Anders is always going to be a bit huffy about Fenris.  At least in MOTA I got the sense that they more gently tolerate one another than hate each other.  And Fenris does tell Sebastian that he refuses to turn in Anders or Merrill.  (One of the reasons I hate Sebastian; such a self-righteous little turd, that one.)  

I'm not a Fenders fan, but I really do love them both, and I think if BW hadn't rushed things and spent a little more time on character development, I could see them genuinely learning to tolerate one another, especially since they both care for Hawke.  

How on earth did you get 100% friendship with Carver? No matter how many times I have played I can never get my friendship with the imp above 60%

I have a Hawke who's at 100% rivalry with Carver and always uses the mean responses to him.  I loves it

That's exactly what I love about Carver. LOL he is so fun to wind up, but  imo he does care about Hawke. Just has an annoying way of showing it.

t least in MOTA I got the sense that they more gently tolerate one another than hate each other.

I did too and I liked the stalemate they had going on in MoTA. I also loved Fenris's comment to Anders if Hawke is in a romance with Fenris and vice versa. LOL! The chain thing had me cracking up. Anders is so naughty! Sometimes, I think the only way Fenris and Anders know how to talk to each other is by insults. They are both so proud.

And Fenris does tell Sebastian that he refuses to turn in Anders or Merrill.

It shows how much respect Fenris has for Hawke. But what does that say about Sebastian?

Ugggg don't get me started on Sebastian.

I wondered if maybe having Anders away from Kirkwall helped clear his mind a bit and that is why he could get along with Fenris a bit more. I agree with the rushing of things.

I could see them genuinely learning to tolerate one another, especially since they both care for Hawke.  

I mean, they must tolerate each other somewhat. They did work together to find Hawke and they were civil to one another. We learn in Legacy that they play cards together because Anders says something about owing Fenris money. And they do fight along side each other. I can't see Fenris or Anders allowing any of the team to be hurt by an enemy in combat because they don't like someone. They manage to work with Merrill... somehow.