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[CuriousArtemis]

Meeszy Alexy wrote...

Well, I agree with you on that. The whole "trained to please mages" thing can bring some nasty implications about, especially considering the nasty implications that came with Danarius in "Alone"... so I usually pair Fenris with a rogue. (The exception being my Male Hawke, Zack, but that one was done with that in mind.)

I also usually play a rogue, but that's just because I prefer to play rogues and find mages boring and, well, kind of wimpy (Anders is the only exception).

But when I romance Fenris with a mage I don't think Fenris falls for Hawke because he's a mage.  I think Fenris falls for Hawke, the person.  The "mage" aspect is just something he has to reconcile with.  He falls for the man first, and learns to accept that he's a mage.

Keep in mind I'm a romantic, and so I will always head canon the happiest version and interpretation of events

And here I'm using the masculine gender for Hawke since I'm talking about my specific Hawke's.

But yeah, I usually play a rogue.  

By the way guys, I was going to try and side with the templars for once, "for science" <_< but Fenris comment ultimately made me change my mind.  I hated hearing how smug and triumphant he was to execute all those mages.  It was like, has he learned nothing?  So disappointing.  I must prefer siding with the mages and hear him sort of reasoning out why he's agreeing to help.  Now, canon-wise, it's clear he's doing it for Hawke.  But again, I head canon that he's finally begun to see that mages are people, and wholesale slaughter is not the answer.

Plus he truly does not hate all mages.  He likes Bethany a lot, for instance.  I think he thinks she's adorable 

[Friera]

I see that a new patch is up where they have fixed Fenris´s romance banter. Have anyone tested it?

http://dragonage.wik..._1.04_Released.

[gingergen]

Yup, if you check the previous page, you'll see that we did... I went through the beginning of Legacy with Fenris and got lots of conversations I hadn't seen before.

[Ghost_Nappa]

Ladies and gentlemen in the forum, before I dissappear for ME3 I thought I leave you with this little song....oh my god how did I not knwo this existed!?

[CuriousArtemis]

 That's a LOVELY song <3 What a nice voice he has!

Do you guys know if the patch affects anything in the regular game?  Like the imported stuff? (bugged Zevran romance, etc.)  I'm itching to start a new playthrough tonight.  Just in that kind of mood xD

[DarkAmaranth1966]

I don't know if the patch fixes it, but using the gibbed save generator has avoided import bugs for me. It take just moments to create the save you want to import and, not one has ever bugged out on me on any aspect.

[CuriousArtemis]

What is the gibbed save generator? Is that something PC only? I'm on the 360 ^^

[dangereusegirl]

yeah its pc moto, sorry ;___;

and i love how i post on my tumblr about the new DA2 patch, and mention Fenris, and i get more likes than i had on my blog before. XD

also, i'm try to come up with a decent response on why Fenris is my favorite LI. I admit, its a bit harder than I thought it'd be. Perhaps it is because all of my thoughts are jumbling up and I need to get some sleep.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Why is he my fave? Hmm well:
1.Isabella seems like a skank to me.
2. Merrill is a naive idiot to me.
3. Sebastian is too preachy - reminds me of my parents and they disowned me for denying their religion.
4. Anders is insane - clinically and, I don't do that kind of crazy.
5. Don't feel like flirting with Avaline who wants Donnic anyway.
6. Can't get that dwarf to sleep with me.
7. Fenris is handsome, willing, a bit prickly on the outside but he has a good heart and, can be funny once you get past those pointy bits. It's fun getting bast the spikes and, he's really good at looking out for you.

[CuriousArtemis]

For me it would be between Fenris and Anders because I'm a straight woman so although I absolutely adore Isabela's character, and I do like Merrill, I'm only curious about their romance on a sort of clinical level lol Now, of course I could do a M!Hawke x Isabela/Merrill romance, but that still leaves something to be desired. At this point, I'm tired of trying to explain why I like m/m more than m/f romance, so I'll just leave it at that

So, between the Anders and Fenris romance ... well, the Hawke x Fenris dynamic is just closer to the kind of dynamic in a pairing I tend to favor. There's something very heteronormative about the m/m Hawke x Fenris romance, and I like that. Fenris is so cute lol Even though he's TOUGH AS NAIL on the outside, deep down he is this tiny broken creature who needs lots of love and comfort if he's going to make it through this intact. I like that Hawke can provide him that love and comfort ... meanwhile, I'm just sitting here sighing and cooing and squealing away as Hawke pulls him into his arms and they kissy kiss lol

With Hawke and Anders, it's more a pairing of equals (and I'm not talking about sexual positions in either of these; it's something deeper than that ... sorry, in most m/m comms, most people just want to talk about sex...). Anders doesn't really rely on Hawke at all. Hawke definitely doesn't rely on Anders. They're both the love and comfort type. Seriously, these two must do a LOT of snuggling. It's probably how they recharge lol

So ultimately I Just like the dynamics of the Fenris romance better. And Fenris as a character is just that cute, adorable kind of character I always favor in a romance. Feisty and yet vulnerable. I LOVES IT

[kemz19691]

DarkAmaranth1966 wrote...

Why is he my fave? Hmm well:
7. Fenris is handsome, willing, a bit prickly on the outside but he has a good heart and, can be funny once you get past those pointy bits. It's fun getting bast the spikes and, he's really good at looking out for you.

Why don't they have dwarven women in Kirkwall? I never see any around.

I notice that whomever I'm fighting, Fenris will come over and help me. This is the default action he has and I thoroughly enjoy watching him fighting enemies attacking me. it's endearing like he's my bodyguard.

[Dutchess]

Wait, why is there no Fenris on this page yet?



by =morie91

[DarkAmaranth1966]

He does fight whoever attacks you, like a body guard, and, what was he to Denarius? back to him being free and knowing it but, still no able to break his training entirely. Not that I mind, that's just Fenris and, part of what makes him a good LI for my Hawke.

[kemz19691]

DarkAmaranth1966 wrote...

He does fight whoever attacks you, like a body guard, and, what was he to Denarius? back to him being free and knowing it but, still no able to break his training entirely. Not that I mind, that's just Fenris and, part of what makes him a good LI for my Hawke.

Yes, but he defended Danarius out of slavish obligation but for Hawke it's for... love? I think it's Danarius who's jealous - especially when he reveals the "fondness Fenris had for him once". 

Could we discuss this "fondness for Danarius" again? Some of the new dialogue we're getting - Anders claims Fenris left his family for Danarius - and then ran from Danarius for Hawke or something like this.  I'm beginning to form a more solid opinion about Fenris - and I wonder if Fenris actually admired Danarius before he ran away.

[CuriousArtemis]

I skipped over part of kemz's post about new dialogue so I wouldn't be spoiled, so sorry kemz for not responding to your question

About Fenris acting as a bodyguard for Hawke -- is that really the default setting? It always looked to me like Fenris runs off and just starts wholesale slaughtering folk without rhyme or reason lol Which is part of the reason why he's more likely to die than Aveline, who genuinely acts as Hawke's bodyguard. This can be a pain if Hawke is a mage or archer, because Aveline will just sort of hover uselessly by Hawke's side instead of jumping into the fray.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

I think he did, and was fond of Denarius. he does say that as a slave he never thought beyond pleasing his master, beyond the next hour. He hadn't even considered freedom until he actually was free.

I think he did see the bad side of Denarius as well, before his markings. He fought to get them and, chose to free his family as a boon. He did that to get them away from Denarius, knowing he could handle it better than they could.

Then he got the markings, lost his memory and Denarius was there to pick up the pieces, sure he was fond of him for that, he knew nothing else. He also knows that Denarius is a greedy arse, given that all he cares is getting the costly lyrium back, not Fenris himself.

I just think that some of what he learned as a slave is the only way he knows how to show care, commitment and a desire to be with Hawke, so that's what he does.

[Da'asha]

Hello, Fenris thread! I'm usually a lurker, but I had a question. And I know it's been gone over before, but I don't want to have to go through 1000 pages to find it.  Anyway, how was it that you could romance everyone and still end up with Fenris? Thanks for responses in advance.

[kemz19691]

motomotogirl wrote...

About Fenris acting as a bodyguard for Hawke -- is that really the default setting? It always looked to me like Fenris runs off and just starts wholesale slaughtering folk without rhyme or reason lol Which is part of the reason why he's more likely to die than Aveline, who genuinely acts as Hawke's bodyguard. This can be a pain if Hawke is a mage or archer, because Aveline will just sort of hover uselessly by Hawke's side instead of jumping into the fray.

Fenris will run off to fight, that's how I know where the enemies are sometimes! However, when you engage an enemy, notice how Fenris will come over and fight it with you.

A complaint about Fenris' 'battle comments' - they're so low it's hard to hear them. I can hear some companions fine, but Fenris' voice is so soft, I end up missing out on what he's saying. I can hear Hawke's voice - "Go down!" etc. and Isabela's, Varric and Anders - but Fenris' voice I miss.

[kemz19691]

Syira wrote...

Hello, Fenris thread! I'm usually a lurker, but I had a question. And I know it's been gone over before, but I don't want to have to go through 1000 pages to find it.  Anyway, how was it that you could romance everyone and still end up with Fenris? Thanks for responses in advance.

Funny thing about that...

I romanced Fenris before flirting with Merrill - and she said something like "Fenris wouldn't like that". it shocked me. But you can't romance Merrill if you're romancing Fenris. That's my experience. My first go-round/PT I romanced everyone and ended up with Anders. Sorry if this doesn't answer your question.

[aldien]

Mmmmmmmm Fenris legacy. Cuteness times infinity plus one.

*sighs* Fenris makes my mind mush.

My newest PT, keep in mind I've probably done 15, no joke. Sad, yes. Anyway, first time through as a rogue archer. Not as exciting as daggers, but different and a challenge.

I agree that mage Hawke is kind of creepy with Fenris. I gave it some serious thought and decided that even if he could accept that not all mages are the same, if I was a mage Hawke, I would always wonder if he was just agreeing with me because it was what he was trained to do. I'd want a man that I knew was free and had a will of his own, not some automaton conditioned by a cruel bastard. I'd want him to love me freely, as a free man. So... mage Hawke doesn't work for me.

Okay off to experience more lovely Fenris.

Modifié par aldien, 05 mars 2012 - 01:19 .

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Mage hawke only works for me IF I go the friendly (not romantic) af the end of Bitter Pill. The Fenris comes to Hawke willingly, doing the romantic after bitter pill just feels like Hawke forcing him/her self on Fenris as a mage. Other classes i think it would be easier for Fenris to push them off or refuse than a mage just because of his past, and at that point having no memory of anything before being a slave to a mage.

As for the new dialog in Legacy, I just finished a laugh riot run of it with Mage male Hawke, Fenris (post Alone act 3 lover on this run) Varric and, Sebastian. One bit with Varric and Sebastian had me all but falling out of my chair laughing and Fenris is so good. I love his reaction after killing Cory (have to click him to hear it though. Just his tone is one of those - Oh boy is that ever Fenris-y things And his dry wit with that party - so cool.

[ladyshamen]

About Fenris helping in battle;Fenris does come over and help you quite often. I checked to see if it is one of his default Tactics, and it's not. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like Zevran did this in DA:O. Maybe it's one of those things Bioware likes to do. Happy gaming!

[Dutchess]

I disagree with most people here and think rivalry romance with mage Hawke is great. I don't get the doubts people seem to have that Fenris would fall for mage Hawke because he is "trained to do so". That is not what I am seeing in my game. Fenris falls for the person Hawke. If anything, it is more special he falls for Hawke despite his/her magic. He doesn't go to him/her because of the magic. He hates magic. And that he can love someone who has the powers he sees as dangerous and bad, is amazing. Hawke shows him there are good mages out there (well, that depends on how you play Hawke). Hawke proves he/she is worth trusting. Despite everything Fenris has been through in Tevinter, he cannot prevent himself from loving this Fereldan mage. After everything Danarius has done to him, he still finds it in him to eventually admit this to himself and to Hawke. I'd say it is harder for him to let a mage Hawke close than the other way around, because it requires much more trust.

Fenris certainly has a mind of his own, one he has regained by fighting for himself and his freedom. Not once he gives the impression he is attracted to Hawke because of the magic. He has not been trained to please mages. He has been trained to please his master. There is a difference there. With that logic you could wonder why he isn't head over heels with Merrill and her blood magic, because her use of that kind of magic makes her closer to the kind of mages he would have to serve. No, he doesn't fall for her. He believes her incredibly stupid to use blood magic.

To each their own, of course. Romancing Fenris with a warrior or rogue is fine. But I think the relationship with a mage is very beautiful and a little extra romantic.

@ ladyshamen: yes, Zevran attacked an enemy when that enemy attacked the Warden. It was in his tactics (enemy attacking main character --> attack). I don't think Fenris has a similar tactic, although I'm not certain because I always tweak the tactics of my companions. He attacks the nearest enemy in sight because he is set to aggressive, though.

Modifié par renjility, 05 mars 2012 - 05:53 .

[kemz19691]

renjility wrote...

I disagree with most people here and think rivalry romance with mage Hawke is great. I don't get the doubts people seem to have that Fenris would fall for mage Hawke because he is "trained to do so". That is not what I am seeing in my game. Fenris falls for the person Hawke. If anything, it is more special he falls for Hawke despite his/her magic. He doesn't go to him/her because of the magic. He hates magic.

:devil:Mwahaahaha! *evil laughter* -- Playing a Mage Hawke, you have the option to choose "blood magic" as a specialization - WHICH I ALWAYS CHOOSE! :wizard:And yet, Fenris doesn't seem bothered or non plussed? Weird, huh? That's due to LAZY developers! it's funny how there's so much work-up over blood magic - what with Merrill receiving so much hateful treatment and how blood magic ALWAYS leads to demons.

"The efforts of the Chantry and the Templar Order
over countless years have all but eradicated its practice outside the
Tevinter Imperium. In fact, blood magic is so rare in Thedas now that it
can typically only be learned by contacting a demon, with the risk of becoming an abomination." - http://dragonage.wik...iki/Blood_magic

Don't you find it strange that Bioware lets you choose this specialization but none of Hawke's companions (particularly Fenris) seem bothered by it?

Modifié par kemz19691, 05 mars 2012 - 06:15 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Yeah, true about Zevran. I honestly, really never noticed Fenris staying by Hawke's side. The guy just seems to zip all over the battlefield. I'm seeing him beside Hawke more and more lately because I am currently playing a warrior Hawke (yuck ... the warrior outfits SUCK I'm learning!).

It may have something to do with the rivalry versus friendship bonus; I always friendmance him so maybe rivalry changes his tactics.

Next time I play, I will go into his tactics and see what it says. I play casual so never have to mess with their tactics really.