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[coldwetn0se]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Well, I'm part of the crowd that simply doesn't understand rivalry romances. I mean, yes, opposites attract, and there are couples who have a dynamic of opposition, but the rivalry issues in DA2 are not "minor" stuff like liking different foods, or supporting different political parties, or having opposing personalities...Slavery, demons and mage oppression aren't exactly issues you can just "agree to disagree" about in a couple, IMO. Maybe Merrill's rivalry romance can work, in a "I'm trying to save you from yourself" kinda dynamic, but I've heard people say that Hawke comes across more as trolling and abusive in some of their exchanges.

So yeah...a Hawke who rivalmances Fenris and then supports slavers would just cause a "CANNOT COMPUTE" for me.

Very interesting points.  I have only ever Rivalmanced Fenris, and only once.  Ya know.....for science.  Actually, it turned out better than I thought.  It was with my Tyrel Hawke (Aggro/slight snark, 2hd warrior), and I was never "mean" to Fenris.  The only aggro  dialogue choices I made were in certain context only...never to be mean, and Fenris would usually agree with him, or at the least, was not bothered by his aggressive stance.  Most of the snark (and some diplo) in that play through, came from the private exchanges between Hawke and Fenris.  Tyrel was all about saving his little sister, and helping mages....so there was that.

As for rivaling, I only did one "aggressively mean" rival, and that was with Isabela.  It was during the time that the Bela Glitch was going on.....I was tired of either taking her everywhere (and yes, I tried all the tricks to not get the glitch, but then one mistake....BOOM), or losing her in Act2.  However, I ended up abandoning that play through (hated how mean I had to be), and shortly afterwards, they gave us the patch that fixed the glitch.  All other rivalries I have done were without being mean.....Anders (not agreeing with all mages being free, and not liking him taking Justice into himself), and Merrill...blood magic bad, lil' elfling.

[Nilfalasiel]

coldwetn0se wrote...

Very interesting points.  I have only ever Rivalmanced Fenris, and only once.  Ya know.....for science.  Actually, it turned out better than I thought.  It was with my Tyrel Hawke (Aggro/slight snark, 2hd warrior), and I was never "mean" to Fenris.  The only aggro  dialogue choices I made were in certain context only...never to be mean, and Fenris would usually agree with him, or at the least, was not bothered by his aggressive stance.  Most of the snark (and some diplo) in that play through, came from the private exchanges between Hawke and Fenris.  Tyrel was all about saving his little sister, and helping mages....so there was that.

As for rivaling, I only did one "aggressively mean" rival, and that was with Isabela.  It was during the time that the Bela Glitch was going on.....I was tired of either taking her everywhere (and yes, I tried all the tricks to not get the glitch, but then one mistake....BOOM), or losing her in Act2.  However, I ended up abandoning that play through (hated how mean I had to be), and shortly afterwards, they gave us the patch that fixed the glitch.  All other rivalries I have done were without being mean.....Anders (not agreeing with all mages being free, and not liking him taking Justice into himself), and Merrill...blood magic bad, lil' elfling.

My other problem with rivalmances is their lack of flexibility. Admittedly, this is also a problem with the friendmances, but it's somehow more jarring to me with rivalry. I'm taking Anders as an example, since I have more info on his rivalmance: apparently, no matter what you do or say, he considers you pro-Templar if you rival him. Now, what happens if you're pro-mage, but disapprove of Justice? I would've tried this route if it was possible, but apparently, it's not. I don't know if a rivalled Fenris automatically considers you pro-slavery as well, or if he only considers you pro-mage, but if the former is true, then that would be problematic for me as well. I guess what I'm trying to say is that slavery should be a deal-breaker for a romanced Fenris: it would make no sense to me that he'd stay with a Hawke (or anybody else) who supported slavery. Just as I can't compute either Fenris or Anders romancing a blood mage Hawke.

That being said, if Fenris' rivalmance doesn't automatically consider Hawke to be pro-slavery, I might try it out someday. 

Edit: Almost-ToP

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 29 mars 2012 - 12:23 .

[Tealsie]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Edit: Almost-ToP

Y'know, with alot of the screens of Fenris I've seen, he usually looks cute or sweet, or wonderfully growl-y. With this one the first word that came to mind was 'handsome'. Really, he looks handsome. That's it. Best word for him.  <3 that's a little odd. 

On Rivalry-romancing: The only one that I've done and liked so far(and found it perfectly fine) is Merril's. Because, when handled a certain way, Hawke is just worried about her/trying to take care of her. Going the rivalry route actually makes for a sweeter relationship between the two, to me. Haven't gotten very far in 'Bela's yet. And Fenris' is alright, Anders' doesn't really fit. It doesn't seem as much of a "love" relationship(the whole "don't know wether to kiss you or kill you" thing). Seems a bit more based in 'passion', so far as I saw.  maybeit'sjustme

[Ghost_Nappa]

@Aldien: FEnris and Aveline????......sorry brain turned off. No that is a really unique couple. Maybe it could worl...but I was going on about Hawke in a relationship with AVeline and how that cant be possible in the game unlessbyou got some mods or fanfic running about.

Rival or friendmance still has me on the ropes...maybe because I like the application in magic in, oh say, helping the better living standard of anyone whose poor or living in the alienage. I mean someone who can control the thermastat? Cure for a cold? Keeping food fresh or frozen? Ice cram?The "make the pain go away Im about to pass a watermelon sized baby through me"? Hell yeah I'm all for that.
Still out of all the possible LI Fenris is maybe high maintenance to deal with on a day to day basis, it still seems the most worthwhile to me. That and oddly I wonder why I support the characters, that are Fenris and Hawke, off someone personal in my life who had an influence.

Anybody have that same thought or just me?

[coldwetn0se]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...

Very interesting points.  I have only ever Rivalmanced Fenris, and only once.  Ya know.....for science.  Actually, it turned out better than I thought.  It was with my Tyrel Hawke (Aggro/slight snark, 2hd warrior), and I was never "mean" to Fenris.  The only aggro  dialogue choices I made were in certain context only...never to be mean, and Fenris would usually agree with him, or at the least, was not bothered by his aggressive stance.  Most of the snark (and some diplo) in that play through, came from the private exchanges between Hawke and Fenris.  Tyrel was all about saving his little sister, and helping mages....so there was that.

As for rivaling, I only did one "aggressively mean" rival, and that was with Isabela.  It was during the time that the Bela Glitch was going on.....I was tired of either taking her everywhere (and yes, I tried all the tricks to not get the glitch, but then one mistake....BOOM), or losing her in Act2.  However, I ended up abandoning that play through (hated how mean I had to be), and shortly afterwards, they gave us the patch that fixed the glitch.  All other rivalries I have done were without being mean.....Anders (not agreeing with all mages being free, and not liking him taking Justice into himself), and Merrill...blood magic bad, lil' elfling.

My other problem with rivalmances is their lack of flexibility. Admittedly, this is also a problem with the friendmances, but it's somehow more jarring to me with rivalry. I'm taking Anders as an example, since I have more info on his rivalmance: apparently, no matter what you do or say, he considers you pro-Templar if you rival him. Now, what happens if you're pro-mage, but disapprove of Justice? I would've tried this route if it was possible, but apparently, it's not. I don't know if a rivalled Fenris automatically considers you pro-slavery as well, or if he only considers you pro-mage, but if the former is true, then that would be problematic for me as well. I guess what I'm trying to say is that slavery should be a deal-breaker for a romanced Fenris: it would make no sense to me that he'd stay with a Hawke (or anybody else) who supported slavery. Just as I can't compute either Fenris or Anders romancing a blood mage Hawke.

That being said, if Fenris' rivalmance doesn't automatically consider Hawke to be pro-slavery, I might try it out someday. 

Edit: Almost-ToP

With my rivalmance with Fenris and Tyrel Hawke, I still killed slavers. The best quest to point out was "Wayward Son".  I ate the "friendship" points on Danzig (gotta see my boy go blue), but when we get to the slaver cave, I try and negotiate, THEN kill the slavers.  This along with letting Fenriel go to the Dalish, gains a number of rivaly points, but with out setting precident.  Fenris never claims my Hawke is pro-slavery.  So, no problem.  Ander's seems to be the only one that will question you being anti-mage, even if you are not (or even if you are a mage...heehee)

Still, I DO prefer the friendship romance over the rivalry....the dialogue is just better to me.

[Kavatica]

coldwetn0se wrote...

Nilfalasiel wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...

Very interesting points.  I have only ever Rivalmanced Fenris, and only once.  Ya know.....for science.  Actually, it turned out better than I thought.  It was with my Tyrel Hawke (Aggro/slight snark, 2hd warrior), and I was never "mean" to Fenris.  The only aggro  dialogue choices I made were in certain context only...never to be mean, and Fenris would usually agree with him, or at the least, was not bothered by his aggressive stance.  Most of the snark (and some diplo) in that play through, came from the private exchanges between Hawke and Fenris.  Tyrel was all about saving his little sister, and helping mages....so there was that.

As for rivaling, I only did one "aggressively mean" rival, and that was with Isabela.  It was during the time that the Bela Glitch was going on.....I was tired of either taking her everywhere (and yes, I tried all the tricks to not get the glitch, but then one mistake....BOOM), or losing her in Act2.  However, I ended up abandoning that play through (hated how mean I had to be), and shortly afterwards, they gave us the patch that fixed the glitch.  All other rivalries I have done were without being mean.....Anders (not agreeing with all mages being free, and not liking him taking Justice into himself), and Merrill...blood magic bad, lil' elfling.

My other problem with rivalmances is their lack of flexibility. Admittedly, this is also a problem with the friendmances, but it's somehow more jarring to me with rivalry. I'm taking Anders as an example, since I have more info on his rivalmance: apparently, no matter what you do or say, he considers you pro-Templar if you rival him. Now, what happens if you're pro-mage, but disapprove of Justice? I would've tried this route if it was possible, but apparently, it's not. I don't know if a rivalled Fenris automatically considers you pro-slavery as well, or if he only considers you pro-mage, but if the former is true, then that would be problematic for me as well. I guess what I'm trying to say is that slavery should be a deal-breaker for a romanced Fenris: it would make no sense to me that he'd stay with a Hawke (or anybody else) who supported slavery. Just as I can't compute either Fenris or Anders romancing a blood mage Hawke.

That being said, if Fenris' rivalmance doesn't automatically consider Hawke to be pro-slavery, I might try it out someday. 

Edit: Almost-ToP

With my rivalmance with Fenris and Tyrel Hawke, I still killed slavers. The best quest to point out was "Wayward Son".  I ate the "friendship" points on Danzig (gotta see my boy go blue), but when we get to the slaver cave, I try and negotiate, THEN kill the slavers.  This along with letting Fenriel go to the Dalish, gains a number of rivaly points, but with out setting precident.  Fenris never claims my Hawke is pro-slavery.  So, no problem.  Ander's seems to be the only one that will question you being anti-mage, even if you are not (or even if you are a mage...heehee)

Still, I DO prefer the friendship romance over the rivalry....the dialogue is just better to me.

I got full on rivalmance by bringing him along on all my pro-mage decisions. I killed all the slavers.

[coldwetn0se]

^This. That is exactly what I did too.

[Sylvan_Moon]

I've only ever rivalmanced Fenris because my femhawke is a mage and it really didn't make sense for me to be pro-Templar. And I didn't want to leave him during quests where I side with mages because that seemed... dishonest.

I defended him against slavers. I don't think Fenris even mentions anything about you being pro-slavery. Just pro-mage. I don't think I'd be able to swallow that if he accused me of being pro-slavery.

On another note, I'm dying to try the friendmance just to see if my Hawke ever actually tells Fenris what she feels for him. I found it rather disheartening that on two specific events (Act 3 questioning beliefs and Gallow's Prison) Fenris was baring his heart to her and there she was, making jokes. Is it because of her personality? She's humorous/charming.

Examples:
Act 3 Questioning Beliefs - Fenris asks to be forgiven and my Hawke says "I don't know, maybe this will be fun to hold over you for a little while longer." Awesome kiss follows. =)

Gallow's Prison - Fen tells Hawke not to die because he can't stand the thought of living without her. I tried all the choices and the best she could come up with was "I'm not makin g that promise unless you do." If I choose the purple reply she says "I didn't quite get that. Could you speak up?" And then Fen says "Let me make it clearer for you" then kisses her.

Even during the Alone quest, the way she says "I'm here for you, Fenris." doesn't really strike me as a romance line. It's like she could also say that to a friend. Why couldn't she have said "You know you'll always have me" instead?

Because of this, I've been itching to try the friendmance. Or should I just make her diplomatic instead? Does Hawke ever tells her feelings in a sincere way? It always seemed to me like she was not really serious with Fen... Or maybe I'm just reading too much into this and it's my fault because I made her humorous/charming. Lol.

Ah.. Long post is long.

[coldwetn0se]

Sylvan_Moon wrote...

I've only ever rivalmanced Fenris because my femhawke is a mage and it really didn't make sense for me to be pro-Templar. And I didn't want to leave him during quests where I side with mages because that seemed... dishonest.

I defended him against slavers. I don't think Fenris even mentions anything about you being pro-slavery. Just pro-mage. I don't think I'd be able to swallow that if he accused me of being pro-slavery.

On another note, I'm dying to try the friendmance just to see if my Hawke ever actually tells Fenris what she feels for him. I found it rather disheartening that on two specific events (Act 3 questioning beliefs and Gallow's Prison) Fenris was baring his heart to her and there she was, making jokes. Is it because of her personality? She's humorous/charming.

Examples:
Act 3 Questioning Beliefs - Fenris asks to be forgiven and my Hawke says "I don't know, maybe this will be fun to hold over you for a little while longer." Awesome kiss follows. =)

Gallow's Prison - Fen tells Hawke not to die because he can't stand the thought of living without her. I tried all the choices and the best she could come up with was "I'm not makin g that promise unless you do." If I choose the purple reply she says "I didn't quite get that. Could you speak up?" And then Fen says "Let me make it clearer for you" then kisses her.

Even during the Alone quest, the way she says "I'm here for you, Fenris." doesn't really strike me as a romance line. It's like she could also say that to a friend. Why couldn't she have said "You know you'll always have me" instead?

Because of this, I've been itching to try the friendmance. Or should I just make her diplomatic instead? Does Hawke ever tells her feelings in a sincere way? It always seemed to me like she was not really serious with Fen... Or maybe I'm just reading too much into this and it's my fault because I made her humorous/charming. Lol.

Ah.. Long post is long.

Short answer is: yes.  If you set your tone over the various acts for "purple" (snarky/charming), she/he will always give the:  "I don't know, maybe this will be fun to hold over you for a little while longer."   Even though you will still get a few auto-dialogue responses based on your "prefered" personality, I often will still use the diplo responses during private convo's with him.  It seems to work well enough, and negates some of the overtly snarky remarks that can come up when using the "purple" on the dialogue wheel.

Interesting side-note:  I have always friendmanced him with my Mage Hawkes, and STILL been pro-mage.  It does require a bit of meta-gaming, but I have found a path that isn't immersion breaking, so it works.  The only mission I tend to avoid taking him on is "Act of Mercy" in Act 1. 

[Sylvan_Moon]

Good. I'll take your advice on the mage friend romance. I hope I succeed. So would you say the romance is actually better using a diplomatic personality?

[Kavatica]

Sylvan_Moon wrote...

Good. I'll take your advice on the mage friend romance. I hope I succeed. So would you say the romance is actually better using a diplomatic personality?

Not necessarily better, but Hawke sounds more sincere.

Sidenote, I was playing an aggressive Hawke and rivalmancing Fenris and occasionally the things she said in auto-dialogue with Fenris were SO MEAN. And not at all how I had written her in my head. But he actually takes aggressive Hawke's responses well. I guess he can relate to that approach.

[CuriousArtemis]

coldwetn0se wrote...

 The only mission I tend to avoid taking him on is "Act of Mercy" in Act 1.   

*snicker* And that's the whole premise of my fic!   I haven't taken Fenris on "Act of Mercy" for ... oh, ages...

Diplomatic Hawke will respond to Fenris with more ... sincere but cheesy lines, in my appearance.  I think s/he has a line like ... "I knew.  I always knew" in regards to Fenris revealing his feelings or some such thing.  I tend to prefer snarky Hawke.  He (my Hawke) is always putting his foot in his mouth.  Plus he makes Fenris laugh!  Always a special treat

[Sylvan_Moon]

I like snarky Hawke, too. But sometimes, I just wish she'd have the sense not to joke all the time.

The one time I actually want her to say something snarky (Anders Justice Quest, wild dog comment), and she doesn't. She says something lame like "You don't know him." I actually wish there was an option to slap Anders.

Which is why I wrote a whole fic just to create the scene I wanted. Lol.

Don't get me wrong, I like Anders. Just not at that moment.

Modifié par Sylvan_Moon, 29 mars 2012 - 06:36 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Tealsie wrote...

Y'know, with alot of the screens of Fenris I've seen, he usually looks cute or sweet, or wonderfully growl-y. With this one the first word that came to mind was 'handsome'. Really, he looks handsome. That's it. Best word for him.  <3 that's a little odd.

Hehe. And yet, oddly enough, that particular screenie was taken during A Bitter Pill, right outside the cave where Hadriana was hiding. Not sure how he managed to look so calm and almost regal in between all the snarling. But when I saw it, I went " *snap*"

I've friendmanced Fenris with a snarky mage Hawke, and I thought it was just fine. Sure, it required some fine-tuning, but I RP'ed her as very zen and very understanding, realising early on that she couldn't just bullrush him into being less harsh on mages in general, due to his personal experience. Heck, she even agreed that Kirkwall was rather heavy on the maleficar, but she couldn't turn on her own just because of one f*cked up city. So she just didn't involve Fenris in anything concerning mages for a while (read: didn't take him on mage-related missions), just to give him time to come to terms with things. It plays very well with her giving him time with their relationship as well (ie. waiting for him for 3 years).

Anyways, I went snarky because diplomatic Hawke is just too cheesily good for me to stomach (I'm gonna have to redo my rogue just because I made her diplomatic ><). So, from that perspective, I enjoyed the friendmance. As far as how she behaves with Fenris, I'm gonna have to check my saves a bit later, but I'm pretty sure she has several kinder dialogue options, despite being snarky.

Also, from people's responses, it seems that it's just Anders' rivalmance that makes assumptions about Hawke's beliefs. That's good to know.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 29 mars 2012 - 06:53 .

[Kavatica]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Anyways, I went snarky because diplomatic Hawke is just too cheesily good for me to stomach (

I feel the same way. I played my first few Hawkes as diplomatic and then accidentally clicked on her and heard her say "let's make Kirkwall a better place for everyone!" and threw up a little bit in my mouth. After that, no more diplomatic Hawkes. 

[Dutchess]

 Thread, y u become active when I'm not here?!
And people are dissing the rivalmance. First of all, I agree it makes no sense for Fenris to be with a pro-slavery Hawke. That is something they have messed up with the rivalmance. Apparently the devs themselves were not completely sure how to use this system, so sometimes rivalry equals true dislike/hate points, which is unfortunate. But you can easily let the slavery part out and still get him full rival by being a mage, and supporting mages. I think rivalry fits really well with a mage Hawke. And you really don't have to be an ass to get the meter full, although it does become more difficult to reach maximum. For instance, the first time you can talk to Fenris after recruiting him, and he has told you about being on the run for three years, you can say something harsh (get over it), which yields you 10 rivalry, or someting sympathetic (I'm sorry), which yields you 5 rivalry points (why do I know this??). So you can actually get rivalry from Fenris by being (too) nice. This can make for interesting roleplaying.

Fenris never ever accuses you of being pro-slavery when on the rivalry path, so you don't have to worry about that. In his speak to Fenris quest at the beginning of act 2 he says something mage-related, (you are strong (Hawke is a mage), but not all mages are. I hope you do not come to regret the day you learn how true this is (not his exact words)), but it's not really an accusation of a "free all the mages!" attitude. 

In the end I find the rivalmance very rewarding. Despite their differences of opinion, despite the fact Hawke can be a mage, Fenris eventually comes to admit he still loves Hawke that his world would still be so much worse without him/her in it. Isn't that just extra romantic, given the past of that poor man?


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caiterhe 


Someone asked about diplomatic Hawke's attitude and lines, and whether that Hawke more openly admits his/her feeling for Fenris. I think you'll be disappointed, because you will not hear a true "I love you" from that personality type either. When Fenris asks whether Hawke wants him back, diplomatic Hawke will say: "I understand, Fenris. I always understood." and then you get the kiss. So, in a way perhaps better than snarky Hawke? But still not that great, in my opinion. 
You say you tried all dialogue options in the final battle conversation, but those are not influences by Hawke's personality. I mean the diplomatic, sarcastic and aggressive responses. I'm not completely sure about the heart option, because sometimes that one changes with personality, and sometimes it's the same. It is the same after Danarius' fight (I'm here, Fenris). So I think if you like snarky Hawke, you'd better stick with that personality, because diplomatic doesn't really add more love.

[Sylvan_Moon]

renjility wrote...

 Thread, y u become active when I'm not here?!
And people are dissing the rivalmance.{smilie}

I don't think people were really dissing it, just confused, is all. And only if you follow the pro-slavery route. Personally, I think rivalmance is specifically for mages/mage-lovers and the developers somehow just never thought about the slavery aspect.

In the end I find the rivalmance very rewarding. Despite their differences of opinion, despite the fact Hawke can be a mage, Fenris eventually comes to admit he still loves Hawke that his world would still be so much worse without him/her in it. Isn't that just extra romantic, given the past of that poor man?

I admit it was certainly passionate! Must.. really.. try.. friendmance for comparison.

Someone asked about diplomatic Hawke's attitude and lines, and whether that Hawke more openly admits his/her feeling for Fenris. I think you'll be disappointed, because you will not hear a true "I love you" from that personality type either. When Fenris asks whether Hawke wants him back, diplomatic Hawke will say: "I understand, Fenris. I always understood." and then you get the kiss. So, in a way perhaps better than snarky Hawke? But still not that great, in my opinion.
You say you tried all dialogue options in the final battle conversation, but those are not influences by Hawke's personality. I mean the diplomatic, sarcastic and aggressive responses. I'm not completely sure about the heart option, because sometimes that one changes with personality, and sometimes it's the same. It is the same after Danarius' fight (I'm here, Fenris). So I think if you like snarky Hawke, you'd better stick with that personality, because diplomatic doesn't really add more love.

Yep, that would be me. Is sad. I wasn't really expecting an 'I love you' from Hawke. But just more sincere dialogue. Can't really explain it. And yes, you're right. The diplomatic responses do sound better but still not what I was hoping for. Oh well.

Modifié par Sylvan_Moon, 29 mars 2012 - 09:24 .

[Dutchess]

Ah, I know it was you who asked. I was typing in the standard form and didn't remember the nickname, sorry.

I understand your point about the personality. Unfortunately diplomatic Hawke sounds more bland and uninspired than more sincere, at least to me.

[cowoline]

Kavatica wrote...

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Anyways, I went snarky because diplomatic Hawke is just too cheesily good for me to stomach (

I feel the same way. I played my first few Hawkes as diplomatic and then accidentally clicked on her and heard her say "let's make Kirkwall a better place for everyone!" and threw up a little bit in my mouth. After that, no more diplomatic Hawkes. 

When my Hawke is romancing Fenris i always go with sarcastic, even in the private conversations. He gets the jokes and it makes him laugh. Considering that the banter suggest that he almost never smiles or laughs it just makes those moments all the more heartwarming. He spends so much time beeing angry and worried it's nice to make him feel good. In addition i always friendly romance him, especially when mage(don't support templars). It's almost as if you are starting to convince him that not all mages are the same and are worth helping.

I also looooove the responds you get from him in gallows when you choose the funny option. It shows what Hawke is really thinking " That is the most romantic thing you've ever said to me!:wub:" and with the smile that Fenris gives her before kissing her it seems as if he read her mind.

The friendly/sarcasstic romance always seemed to me that they truely know each other. Unlike sarcastic hawke with Anders seems a little unsenstive to what he is going through. That combo only works if you rivalmance him, i was actually surprised how well Anders responded to her humorus comments and it made the romance seem a lot less bitter and judgemental. Was clearly the best option for me, since hawke was only against bloodmages.

And so it begins again, completely torn between Fenris and Anders:lol:. The fact that you can acre for these insane characters so much, makes me believe i am perceptible to stockholm syndrom or maby an emotional massochist. lol:innocent:

[Dutchess]

^There is actually one case where Fenris does not appreciates Hawke's sarcastic comment: when he tells you about his sister. He gets pretty pissed then. "Yes, yes. Laugh at me!" Not that you can blame him. It is a bit insensitive to joke about something he is so anxious about.

[Ghost_Nappa]

Man if they actually put time into this rival/friend system...they could of also put a friggin neutral state in there. I mean Im more for rivalry then friendship, cause it oddly makes me sound like an asskisser, BUT DEAR LORD all I ask is for a thrid option that isnt "Gung ho god guys" or "lets eat babies" when getting people into my boudoir.

In retrospect I like it if I could only maybe do bits of like 75% rival and 25% friend to show my hawke is pro-mage, but not stupid when a mage is a cutter. Or knowing the difference when they're on the red rider and NOT a blood mage.

Bah too early for me....*SIGH* Guess I might give into temptation and start a fic....Aldien don't you dare squeal.

[aldien]

Nilfalasiel that was a gorgeous picture!!!!!! Is drooling.

Ghost, actually I had that strange thought the other day about Fenris and Aveline because there is something there that I can see them liking about each other. But... I don't see Aveline falling for an elf. She would have been a great romance option for Hawke.

"lets eat babies"??????????????? ROFLMAO!! I must have missed that option

I like doing blood magic in front of Cullen. Makes me giggle every time.

SQUEAL!!!!!!!!!!   :O:O:O:O:O:O


The reason why I was forever put off of Diplo Hawke:

    Hawke: That sounds like a way to go through life without ever knowing anyone.
    Fenris: I... suppose so.
    Hawke: How well has that worked for you, Fenris?
    Fenris: (Grunts)

To me that was a major **** slap. I deleted my high level Hawke after that comment. I don't know why, but I could not carry on with her.  Maybe because sometimes Diplo Hawke comes across more like a mother than his lover.

I don't know. I just like to have squishy relationships with my elf.

I've seen the looks he gives Hawke on rivalmance! Noooooooooooooooooooooo, can't do it even if it does make him look sexy.

Modifié par aldien, 29 mars 2012 - 02:47 .

[Dutchess]

 I actually did not mind that reaction of Hawke, although sarcastic Hawke is very funny in that conversation. Fenris is the one who starts about Hawke attracting trouble. Hawke just kindly reminds him that the strategy of living your life he offers is not that great.

[Dutchess]

D'aww, the site ate my post again.

[aldien]

cowoline wrote...

Kavatica wrote...

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Anyways, I went snarky because diplomatic Hawke is just too cheesily good for me to stomach (

I feel the same way. I played my first few Hawkes as diplomatic and then accidentally clicked on her and heard her say "let's make Kirkwall a better place for everyone!" and threw up a little bit in my mouth. After that, no more diplomatic Hawkes. 

When my Hawke is romancing Fenris i always go with sarcastic, even in the private conversations. He gets the jokes and it makes him laugh. Considering that the banter suggest that he almost never smiles or laughs it just makes those moments all the more heartwarming. He spends so much time beeing angry and worried it's nice to make him feel good. In addition i always friendly romance him, especially when mage(don't support templars). It's almost as if you are starting to convince him that not all mages are the same and are worth helping.

I also looooove the responds you get from him in gallows when you choose the funny option. It shows what Hawke is really thinking " That is the most romantic thing you've ever said to me!:wub:" and with the smile that Fenris gives her before kissing her it seems as if he read her mind.

The friendly/sarcasstic romance always seemed to me that they truely know each other. Unlike sarcastic hawke with Anders seems a little unsenstive to what he is going through. That combo only works if you rivalmance him, i was actually surprised how well Anders responded to her humorus comments and it made the romance seem a lot less bitter and judgemental. Was clearly the best option for me, since hawke was only against bloodmages.

And so it begins again, completely torn between Fenris and Anders:lol:. The fact that you can acre for these insane characters so much, makes me believe i am perceptible to stockholm syndrom or maby an emotional massochist. lol:innocent:

I also looooove the responds you get from him in gallows when you choose
the funny option. It shows what Hawke is really thinking " That is the
most romantic thing you've ever said to me![smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/love.png[/smilie]" and with the smile that Fenris gives her before kissing her it seems as if he read her mind.

I completely agree! That wonderful little smile is worth suffering through his three years of no loving...well...kind of, but it is gorgeous. It also made the relationship feel more real for me. I like humor when things get difficult and Fenris strikes me as a character who would appreciate it when appropriate.