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[Ghost_Nappa]

I'm with Trista on this one. When I saw fenris all I thought was it was a premature aging man...then when he wwent on about the pain from the lyrium I chalked that to his hair turning white due tot he pain.

But as a huge fan to rpg's, yes both western and eastern ones, I did not see a connection with Fenris labeled as Anime-ish.

Granted on the subject of fantasy...thats something i'll plead the fifth about.

And yes 12 kingdoms is a good anime if your looking into High fantasy. Appearently the novel its based on is even better, but harder to find translated.

[Dutchess]

A funny Fenris sketch. I hope you can see it well enough. I like the small Fenris face on the right. xD


by Moonlight-Mage-Shiro

[CuriousArtemis]

I assumed Fenris had white hair becase... he just has white hair lol After all, we have the option to make Hawke have white hair. It didn't occur to me until a couple playthroughs that Fenris' hair had turned white because of the lyrium (is that really canon? Why didn't his eyebrows turn as well?).

[aldien]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

:ph34r::ph34r:

motomotogirl wrote...

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

It's a rather "anime" approach isn't it? Not the style she drew him in, but the idea of lugging around a huge sword on your back - no scabbard. (Think of the character Guts from the Berserk series. LOL.) 

Oh nooooooooo, not the anime comparison  People are always saying Fenris is like an anime character, and I can't figure out what they mean.  Hmm, I've never heard of Berserk, but yeah, that guy does look pretty silly xD  All of the anime I watch, however, if anyone has a sword or other pointy weapon, they usually have a scabbard.  

Then again, I don't watch a lot of action anime like that, mostly slice of life stuff like Natsume Yuujinchou.  Someone explain to me how Natsume is like Fenris o.O  I think people who make those comparisons don't actually watch anime ... maybe they are thinking of stuff like Final Fantasy (Fenris' hair does resemble those kinds of guys, I guess.)

I'd say that Final Fantasy, being a predominantly japanese rpg, has been dominated by the whole anime franchise over the years. But that's to be expected. 

I will admit that the way they designed Fenris for DA2, he doesn't look very medieval. (But I'm cool with that.) Between the hair and the outfit and the glowing lyrium - he does have "anime character tendencies" but I wouldn't say he's a full blown anime character. Definitely not.

Honestly? Haters are gonna hate. I despise using that phrase but it best fits the scenario. People are going to attack Fenris below the belt (settle down ladies that's NOT what I meant hehe), criticizing Bioware for "making an anime character WTF" when really... that's not what they did. They just branched out a little on his hair and armour to make him stand out, look attractive/mysterious, be appealing (or in other words... sell). 

But I must say that big swords without scabbards falling into the hands of dashing, lanky males with cool hair - it's akin to something they do in most animes. But... I also say... so what? I'm 31. I like anime alright. I've never gone full blown anime nerd and done a convention or spent hundreds of dollars on a plethora of manga comics and dvds. But it'd be a lie if I said I didn't like a few animes here and there.

I think anime is just one of those franchises that has gotten SO big that you have to sift through a lot of garbage to find something cool. (Which I highly recommend Berserk. It is one of the few I own. Amazing storyline. Not complicated and weird like most animes. Just pure medieval fantasy. And a lot of macabre themes in it, too...) And so, because of that, a lot of people run around and say, "Anime sucks. It's lame." etc. etc. And when a character in Dragon Age slightly resembles something out of the typical D&D element, they freak, wondering when Fenris is going to start flying through the air with a gigantic sweat drop glued to the side of his head. lol

lol ah well. White people problems (aka First World Problems).

"Grrr that Dragon Age character is too anime for me." Awww poor babies....

Amen. Very well said.

[aldien]

motomotogirl wrote...

Hmmm. I think I still have to disagree. Fenris' hair does remind me of Final Fantasy (what little I know of it), but that's it. He isn't the only one with a big sword; any two-handed warrior in the game carries a big sword or hammer thing. Again, most of the sword-fighting anime I have watched deals with samurai (duh), and they carry Japanese swords, which are very thin. The only odd example I can think of is Ichigo from Bleach, and the other characters even make fun of his sword because it's so ludicrously large! LOL As for Fenris' outfit ... uh, it appears to be made of leather and is clearly armor; I'm not sure how that is anime-like... at all. Now if he were wearing kimono and hakama, maybe? xDDD

Who says DA2 is medieval? DA2 is fantasy. The medieval period is a time period here on earth. You sure as heck didn't have women wielding swords during OUR "medieval" period, yet no one bats an eye about them doing it in the DA2 universe. Thedas is a created world; its creators pulled from various aspects of earth history. I watched the Lord of the Rings movies, and DA2 sort of reminds me of that. The outfits that they wore in that movie, and how they did their hair, the culture they created (yeah I know it was taken from the books a lot, but like their appearance, that was all Peter Jackson and his team) ... it's not "medieval" or anything, it's Middle-Earth.

Yeah I do know that the DA2 (and DA:O) team drew from medieval fashion and such, to some degree. It was a mistake in my opinion because, for example, Hawke looks a fool in tights *snark* ... but no, seriously, they should have showed a little more creative effort and created more unique costumes the way the WETA people did for Lord of the Rings.

For the record, I sometimes like complicated and weird anime But straight fantasy is good, too; have you seen 12 Kingdoms? It's really amazing.

I have to get this off of my chest because it still bugs me to this day. My personal opinion on the movies: It's definitely not Middle-Earth. It is some cross breed between Medieval and fantasy gone wrong. LOTR was a Peter Jackson interpretation full stop. He made the majority of the elves blond when, according to Tolkien, that was a rare color for elves. He made them affemininate and the majority of the men looked like young boys who had newly budded into puberty. The clothes did not look like something that was woven by elves who had been perfecting the art for thousands of years, but rather, oversized fancy bathrobes. And there was an elf with a beard in Tolkien's books! Muwhahahaha.

In DA2 I liked that there was a strong difference between Dalish clothing and the city elves. The city elves did look a bit samish, but so do people in the real world depending on social standard. There was no grand intricate detail in the DA2 clothing but at least it felt like it suited the elves.

Can't help but have an opinion on it. Silmarillion was my life for years. Yes, it is that sad.

[CuriousArtemis]

Oh my, you never know who you're going to upset!  I mean, not personally, but just, you never know who has what fandom.  Like today on a listserv someone said Jane Austen's novels were "boring," and I nearly lost my s-h-i-t.  Of course, I kept it together and didn't say a peep because I'd be incapable of expressing myself as politely as you, aldy xD

I actually loved the movies though and am really looking forward to the Hobbit.  I won't say anything about the books and won't talk about the movies anymore though if it upsets you.  (I know how that is.)

Back to Fenris ... erm, and DA2 elves in general.  Well, I think they could have done more with Dalish versus city elf fashion.  Basically there are three commoner elf outfits and three Dalish outfits (warrior, rogue, and "assassin," which is the one the girl who fights the werewolf on the Wounded Coast is wearing).  So it's not like they were super inventive about that.  You can find the Dalish assassin's outfit on a couple elves in Merrill's clan, and the city elf who steals the Qunari poison is wearing the Dalish warrior armor.  I also kind of dislike (and this is DA2 clothing in general) how all women are by default in dresses.  This is a society where just as many women join the guard or Templars as men, and you're telling me that women still dress in traditionally feminine attire?  It kind of annoyed me.  But only KIND of.  I think in many ways DA2 (and Origins a bit) is EXTREMELY progressive, even more progressive than its own players sometimes (I'm reminded of how many players call Isabela a w-h-o-r-e without actually understanding her character at all).

As for Fenris, even though I very much DISLIKE his outfit, to me it's really authentic and thoughtfully constructed.  It appears to be made from the sort of materials that would be readily available, i.e. leather, a few metal buckles, etc.  And yet it's unique to him ... but not in a sort of outlandish fashion.  And thus I don't get the anime comparison, ya know?  But I am preaching to the choir xD

Modifié par motomotogirl, 29 avril 2012 - 12:32 .

[aldien]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

Yeah, as I said, I don't understand the anime stigma on him, myself. But I do understand why people jump to it. Moto makes rational points about how his outfit/looks are pretty appropriate for the world in which they live. But because he happens to be a combination of white hair, slightly edgy outfit, and big sword - people jump to the "ew an anime character" conclusion. I would say that the stereotype is made based on shallow impulse, rather than rationally thought out and then subsequently dismissed - like the way Moto explained it.  

And used the term "Medieval" loosely, because I'm somewhat of a top-shelf-junky with my words when posting in forums. (Laziness!) Between all the stone archways, candles/lanterns, tunics, tights, and so forth - I just stampeded for the word. Truthfully it's just fantasy - Moto's right. They mix it up a bit. DA is influenced by some medieval themes but also by some other themes too. (Sorry, I feel braindead at the moment.)

And - onto another topic - you guys should definitely be excited about The Hobbit! My friends who work at WETA (it's all they talk about) say it's going to be pretty amazing. Though, a lot of drama is happening between them and the Warner Bros group. Lots of contracts being cut etc. (The economy - always with the economy...)

But still, the show must go on!

LOL I suppose I just stepped on some toes with my Peter Jackson comment. Tolkien junkies like myself have a hard time accepting his interpretation. It's almost a religious thing. After reading Chris Tolkien's History of Middle Earth and the books, it tends to color your opinion. I guess it will be a case of agree to disagree.

PJ is great with hobbits not so much with elves imo

Modifié par aldien, 29 avril 2012 - 01:29 .

[aldien]

motomotogirl wrote...

Oh my, you never know who you're going to upset!  I mean, not personally, but just, you never know who has what fandom.  Like today on a listserv someone said Jane Austen's novels were "boring," and I nearly lost my s-h-i-t.  Of course, I kept it together and didn't say a peep because I'd be incapable of expressing myself as politely as you, aldy xD

I actually loved the movies though and am really looking forward to the Hobbit.  I won't say anything about the books and won't talk about the movies anymore though if it upsets you.  (I know how that is.)

Back to Fenris ... erm, and DA2 elves in general.  Well, I think they could have done more with Dalish versus city elf fashion.  Basically there are three commoner elf outfits and three Dalish outfits (warrior, rogue, and "assassin," which is the one the girl who fights the werewolf on the Wounded Coast is wearing).  So it's not like they were super inventive about that.  You can find the Dalish assassin's outfit on a couple elves in Merrill's clan, and the city elf who steals the Qunari poison is wearing the Dalish warrior armor.  I also kind of dislike (and this is DA2 clothing in general) how all women are by default in dresses.  This is a society where just as many women join the guard or Templars as men, and you're telling me that women still dress in traditionally feminine attire?  It kind of annoyed me.  But only KIND of.  I think in many ways DA2 (and Origins a bit) is EXTREMELY progressive, even more progressive than its own players sometimes (I'm reminded of how many players call Isabela a w-h-o-r-e without actually understanding her character at all).

As for Fenris, even though I very much DISLIKE his outfit, to me it's really authentic and thoughtfully constructed.  It appears to be made from the sort of materials that would be readily available, i.e. leather, a few metal buckles, etc.  And yet it's unique to him ... but not in a sort of outlandish fashion.  And thus I don't get the anime comparison, ya know?  But I am preaching to the choir xD

It doesn't upset me.   I'm just passionate and opinionated. It could be worse, You could have just insulted Trista's friends at WETA. But, even so, it's still my opinion. What is it Varric says about opinions?

I agree the outfits could have done with more variation. No argument there and Fenris's outfit, I think, was thought out, but like you, I dislike it.

Okay too much wine and comma demon has taken over. I'll stop now before I somehow insult the pope and somehow cause an apocolypse

Modifié par aldien, 29 avril 2012 - 01:40 .

[Dutchess]

aldien wrote...

What is it Varric says about opinions?

That they're like testicles. 


I'm not a fan of the LotR series, niehter the books nor the movies (blasphemy, I know!). So, won't go further into debate about that.

I agree the clothing variety of NPC's was rather disappointing. Same dress and suit everywhere, maybe in a different color if you were lucky. Hopefully there will be a bit more variety in DA3.

A cute little Fenris, jus because.


by 
criz 

[Dutchess]

I have finally decided to play legacy again, with a romanced Fenris in my party. I know others have already complained about the dialogue, but I'll just do it now. xD

I am in act 3 and have already made up with Fenris. I already knew the awkward dialogue would still trigger, despite Fenris and Hawke being back together already. My complaint is not about that. It is about Hawke saying: "so... Fenris. We haven't spoken since...."
That. That is my problem. Three years, and they have never talked to each other? Not one word? What the... So, no reading lessons after all? Or they literally just read and wrote, without ever saying anything but "hello" and "goodbye" to each other? No. Just no. This is exactly why I hate the way the three year gap is being handled. It's just not believable. I started my fic because I wanted to fill in the gap the game has left, but this stupid sentence suggests there isn't even anything to fill. It suggests nothing happened at all.
So, we have three years of nothing, no talking, then Fenris asks Hawke to come see his sister, Hawke helps to fight Danarius, and then, the first time they talk again, Fenris can finally say: "you know, I was an idiot. I love you." Right. No, sorry, that's not enough for me. I get the point they don't talk about that night together, but... three years of no interaction? And then they make up?

Ugh, sorry, end of rage rant. xD I think in this case I will stick to what my brain comes up with, although I am usually not someone who bothers with much off-screen head canon.

[aldien]

renjility wrote...

I have finally decided to play legacy again, with a romanced Fenris in my party. I know others have already complained about the dialogue, but I'll just do it now. xD

I am in act 3 and have already made up with Fenris. I already knew the awkward dialogue would still trigger, despite Fenris and Hawke being back together already. My complaint is not about that. It is about Hawke saying: "so... Fenris. We haven't spoken since...."
That. That is my problem. Three years, and they have never talked to each other? Not one word? What the... So, no reading lessons after all? Or they literally just read and wrote, without ever saying anything but "hello" and "goodbye" to each other? No. Just no. This is exactly why I hate the way the three year gap is being handled. It's just not believable. I started my fic because I wanted to fill in the gap the game has left, but this stupid sentence suggests there isn't even anything to fill. It suggests nothing happened at all.
So, we have three years of nothing, no talking, then Fenris asks Hawke to come see his sister, Hawke helps to fight Danarius, and then, the first time they talk again, Fenris can finally say: "you know, I was an idiot. I love you." Right. No, sorry, that's not enough for me. I get the point they don't talk about that night together, but... three years of no interaction? And then they make up?

Ugh, sorry, end of rage rant. xD I think in this case I will stick to what my brain comes up with, although I am usually not someone who bothers with much off-screen head canon.

I don't think it was three years of no interaction. Legacy is dialogue oriented for Act II not ActIII, it seems to ignore ACTIII altogether. So I think the assumption is that they are talking at some point during ACTII. After that  night it could be days, weeks or months, but I don't see it being a three year gap.

That's just how I interpreted it. *shrugs* Hope that helps.

[Dutchess]

I know it makes sense when it is being said in act 2, right after Fenris has run off. Then it's fine. But in act 3 it sucks. xD

I suppose you're right and they have gotten sloppy when it came to act 3 in the dlc as well. Why is act 3 so rushed in every aspect?

[dracuella]

renjility wrote...

I know it makes sense when it is being said in act 2, right after Fenris has run off. Then it's fine. But in act 3 it sucks. xD
I suppose you're right and they have gotten sloppy when it came to act 3 in the dlc as well. Why is act 3 so rushed in every aspect?

I always wondered how a nice approach to it could be made without ruining the feeling of time passing. Perhaps a cutscene? Or some sort of narration, written or spoken, about the things in between? Or perhaps they should just have more dialogue options throughout, that's what I would prefer above all, to be honest. 
Rushed, yes. I don't like to rush <_<

[Dutchess]

dracuella wrote...

renjility wrote...

I know it makes sense when it is being said in act 2, right after Fenris has run off. Then it's fine. But in act 3 it sucks. xD
I suppose you're right and they have gotten sloppy when it came to act 3 in the dlc as well. Why is act 3 so rushed in every aspect?

I always wondered how a nice approach to it could be made without ruining the feeling of time passing. Perhaps a cutscene? Or some sort of narration, written or spoken, about the things in between? Or perhaps they should just have more dialogue options throughout, that's what I would prefer above all, to be honest. 
Rushed, yes. I don't like to rush <_<

More dialogue would indeed be the better solution, I think. David Gaider insists overall amount of companion interaction is the same in DA2 and DAO, but I honestly don't buy that. As far as I know, I could nag Alistair first time in camp as much as the complete interaction with one DA2 companion in two, or even three acts combined. It's less, and on top of that it feels more disconnected and less fluent. I guess the framed narrative also influences this, because I see it would be a bit weird if Varric gave a summary of the things Fenris and Hawke did or didn't do, while he shouldn't even have been there in the first place. 

What I miss the most is the option to talk to Fenris after he leaves you. He doesn't have to give an explanation then. Him snapping "I don't want to talk about" would be enough. It would be more realistic. No matter what personality you pick, Hawke is not a timid and shy person. I don't see why Hawke would not follow the urge to go to Fenris' mansion and try to get more of an answer out of him. Hell, it is my urge, and I am Hawke, so I should be able to do that. I get I am always limited by the options the game bothers to give me, and that's fine, but in this case I felt so limited it was immersion breaking. Of course that is a common complaint in DA2, so... yeah, that's just one of the game's flaws, unfortunately. 

[aldien]

renjility wrote...

I know it makes sense when it is being said in act 2, right after Fenris has run off. Then it's fine. But in act 3 it sucks. xD

I suppose you're right and they have gotten sloppy when it came to act 3 in the dlc as well. Why is act 3 so rushed in every aspect?

It's odd how they did the dlc. I remember Moto being just as disappointed when with her ACTIII Hawke. There is never any acknowledgement of their reconcilliation, yet if you play MoTA in ActIII the dialogue is there if they are once again a couple. I guess Legacy was to fill in some weird blank in ACTII and MoTA ActIII.

I agree with Draceulla, we could have done with a cutscene or something in ACTII to show that they were at least talking. The other thing is in the game Hawke says that his reading is improving in ACTII, so always assummed they were still reading together.

Modifié par aldien, 29 avril 2012 - 02:37 .

[dracuella]

renjility wrote...

What I miss the most is the option to talk to Fenris after he leaves you. He doesn't have to give an explanation then. Him snapping "I don't want to talk about" would be enough. It would be more realistic. No matter what personality you pick, Hawke is not a timid and shy person. I don't see why Hawke would not follow the urge to go to Fenris' mansion and try to get more of an answer out of him. Hell, it is my urge, and I am Hawke, so I should be able to do that. I get I am always limited by the options the game bothers to give me, and that's fine, but in this case I felt so limited it was immersion breaking. Of course that is a common complaint in DA2, so... yeah, that's just one of the game's flaws, unfortunately. 

Yeah I agree. The second he left, I rushed to his mansion, thinking he would be there and perhaps - or at least - throw,  as you said, "I don't want to talk about it!" at you. I found it immensely difficult to just pick up as if nothing had happened, and take him questing with me (he is my ubertank after all). 

I know this isn't real life; that's not what I'm trying to say. But if this had been a situation in real life, there would have been at least a few sentences "can we at least be friends?" "what do we do now?" "Can I call you?" (which she'd have to since, you know, she needs to tell him when it's time to go out and get all ninja on slavers and stuff)

[CuriousArtemis]

aldien wrote...

It's odd how they did the dlc. I remember Moto being just as disappointed when with her ACTIII Hawke. There is never any acknowledgement of their reconcilliation, yet if you play MoTA in ActIII the dialogue is there if they are once again a couple. I guess Legacy was to fill in some weird blank in ACTII and MoTA ActIII.

Oh yeah, I was pretty ticked!!!  We waited for MONTHS (almost a year!!) for Legacy romance dialogue to be fixed, and when they "fix" it, it's STILL broken?!

But yeah now I think it's just best to play Legacy at the end of Act 2 and do MOTA at any point during Act 3 (when Hawke is Champion, otherwise it makes no sense why s/he'd get invited to that fancy party.)

[Nexis7]

Just an update since I said I'd tell you how the romance went.
Yeah it totally worked lol. Thank you everyone who helped~

[Ghost_Nappa]

Good lord I'm gonna miss alot this week if the today hasnt proven anything.....oh well thought I bring this little number back up.



Associated with this song. (I refused to use that "Sexy and I know it" song to fit this picture.....oh this sounds like a fun game for this summer.)

[Ghost_Nappa]

thats because the guy who drew Cloud, belt buckle nomura, bases all his main males on friggin gackt.....god i hate belt buckle nomura and Gackt. Yeech, no thanks in that comparison. Only time I'll be this venomous in distatse...gah. Gonna go brain bleach my eyes.